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Title: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on April 06, 2024, 07:55:21 pm
We play the Cows at 16:20 next Saturday at Marvel.
The Cows have yet to win.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on April 07, 2024, 08:25:56 am
In: Walsh, Binns
Out: Fogs (suspension), E. Hollands (injury)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 07, 2024, 08:29:24 am
In: Walsh, Binns
Out: Fogs (suspension), E. Hollands (injury)
I'm starting to think Fog might get a fine at best. Binns won't play.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on April 07, 2024, 04:02:54 pm
I'm starting to think Fog might get a fine at best. Binns won't play.

Yep, a real line ball for Fog. His focus was the aggott and that's what he hit with his fist then sliding off the ball, up the arm and into the throat. In his favour is that Fyfe got up and played on unhindered.

Maybe Walsh for E Hollands? If not quite ready, perhaps Binns. Could even be Pitto in!

Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 07, 2024, 04:53:14 pm
Yep, a real line ball for Fog. His focus was the aggott and that's what he hit with his fist then sliding off the ball, up the arm and into the throat. In his favour is that Fyfe got up and played on unhindered.

Maybe Walsh for E Hollands? If not quite ready, perhaps Binns. Could even be Pitto in!


Walsh for Hollands is a gimme, Fog  has been given a week (see CFC website-careless medium high), who is his replacement soldier?  Maybe Owies back to the starting 22 and Moir the sub?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on April 07, 2024, 07:30:10 pm
Cincotta had a good game in the middle in the 2's and might come in for Elijah....or as sub.

In: Walsh, Cincotta
Out: Elijah, Fogarty
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Blue Moon on April 07, 2024, 08:34:52 pm
I would have thought Marchbank would be in along with Walsh. Kemp is likely to be the sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: shawny on April 07, 2024, 08:51:21 pm
Williams out for 2 weeks which is more likely 4-5 weeks.

Injuries are growing again so great to keep banking the points.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on April 07, 2024, 09:05:18 pm
Williams out for 2 weeks which is more likely 4-5 weeks.

Injuries are growing again so great to keep banking the points.
They are really hurting us. Cincotta comes in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on April 07, 2024, 09:09:48 pm
Williams out for 2 weeks which is more likely 4-5 weeks.

Injuries are growing again so great to keep banking the points.
Sorry, what happened to Williams?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 07, 2024, 10:17:51 pm
Williams out for 2 weeks which is more likely 4-5 weeks.

Injuries are growing again so great to keep banking the points.
Vossy said he was fine in his presser.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on April 07, 2024, 10:42:37 pm
Sorry, what happened to Williams?

Zac had his legs taken out after he kicked to Charlie for a goal.  He was iced after the game but thought he was OK.  That wasn’t the case when he’d cooled down.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on April 07, 2024, 11:05:45 pm
Zac has his legs taken out after he kicked to Charlie for a goal.  He was iced after the game but thought he was OK.  That wasn’t the case when he’d cooled down.

Great that we've banked wins so far.
2 more added to the sick bay. Can't take a trick 😫
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: RiverRat on April 08, 2024, 12:02:39 am
Cincotta had a good game in the middle in the 2's and might come in for Elijah....or as sub.


IMO Cincotta deserves selection ahead of Binns
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on April 11, 2024, 07:41:39 pm
One change, Sam Walsh in for Lachie Fogarty.

Sad for Fog, but I’m not complaining!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on April 11, 2024, 08:23:28 pm
This week's line-up:
Backs:  Brodie Kemp  Jacob Weitering  Nic Newman
Half-backs:  Adam Saad  Mitch McGovern  Adam Saad
Centreline:  Ollie Hollands  Patrick Cripps  Blake Acres
Half-forwards:  Elijah Hollands  Harry McKay  Matthew Kennedy
Forwards:  Orazio Fantasia  Charlie Curnow  Matthew Owies
Followers:  Tom De Koning  Adam Cerra  George Hewett
Interchange:  Jordan Boyd  Jack Carroll  Matthew Cottrell  Corey Durdin  Sam Walsh

Emergencies:  Jaxon Binns  Lachlan Cowan  Marc Pittonet

I would have played Pittonet: he has a good record against O'Brien; TdK doesn't.
Ollie Hollands is pretty lucky. He hasn't been playing that well, even though he has contributed. Last week Sharpe killed him.
Fantasia is also more than a little lucky. He did OK as sub, but otherwise hasn't done much. Corey Durdin as well, but he had 8 tackles last week.
Walsh on the bench: is hat trying to tell us that he'll be a late out?

No Cincotta as sub? Amazing! He was much better than both Binns and Cowan against North.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on April 11, 2024, 10:57:08 pm
This week's line-up:
Backs:  Brodie Kemp  Jacob Weitering  Nic Newman
Half-backs:  Adam Saad  Mitch McGovern  Adam Saad
Centreline:  Ollie Hollands  Patrick Cripps  Blake Acres
Half-forwards:  Elijah Hollands  Harry McKay  Matthew Kennedy
Forwards:  Orazio Fantasia  Charlie Curnow  Matthew Owies
Followers:  Tom De Koning  Adam Cerra  George Hewett
Interchange:  Jordan Boyd  Jack Carroll  Matthew Cottrell  Corey Durdin  Sam Walsh

Emergencies:  Jaxon Binns  Lachlan Cowan  Marc Pittonet

I would have played Pittonet: he has a good record against O'Brien; TdK doesn't.
Ollie Hollands is pretty lucky. He hasn't been playing that well, even though he has contributed. Last week Sharpe killed him.
Fantasia is also more than a little lucky. He did OK as sub, but otherwise hasn't done much. Corey Durdin as well, but he had 8 tackles last week.
Walsh on the bench: is hat trying to tell us that he'll be a late out?

No Cincotta as sub? Amazing! He was much better than both Binns and Cowan against North.

If only we had 2 Adam Saad’s…
🤣
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on April 12, 2024, 01:03:46 am
If only we had 2 Adam Saad’s…
🤣

So is the listed 'Adam Saad V.2' actually Zac Williams?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on April 12, 2024, 10:33:50 am
If anyone is lucky to keep their spot, it’s Elijah Hollands rather than Ollie.  He seemed well off the pace before his injury but he still would have been stiff to be dropped.

The VFL team having a bye didn’t help our fringe players to press their claims and it would be their work at training that would catch the MC’s eyes.  Perhaps Binns, Cowan and Pitto were the standouts.

There are a couple of problems with bringing Pitto back.  De Koning is playing his best footy and, at worst, is breaking even with opposition rucks.  Dropping his time in the ruck from >80% to <50% will reduce his effectiveness, both in the ruck and around the ground.  Pitto might do well in the ruck but he doesn’t contribute much around the ground.  The other issue is the structural change playing two rucks would require, particularly in the context of Pitto’s inability to have an impact in the forward line and take marks around the ground.

We haven’t named our best 23, but it must be close to 23 out of our best 28.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on April 12, 2024, 12:38:14 pm
I would have played Pittonet: he has a good record against O'Brien; TdK doesn't.
Ollie Hollands is pretty lucky. He hasn't been playing that well, even though he has contributed. Last week Sharpe killed him.
Fantasia is also more than a little lucky. He did OK as sub, but otherwise hasn't done much. Corey Durdin as well, but he had 8 tackles last week.
Walsh on the bench: is hat trying to tell us that he'll be a late out?

No Cincotta as sub? Amazing! He was much better than both Binns and Cowan against North.
It's a long season but we just had a bye, if not for that I would have also brought in Pitto as you suggest.

Corey Durdin did have a few tackles, but many barely impacted the opponents disposal.

That was Fantasia's best game so far, but still probably not a pass.

I wouldn't be surprised of a late change, but if Walsh is named I suspect he plays, perhaps another out though as I think a couple of others are lucky to retain spots.

Carroll might be a Monty for Sub, I'd start Walsh warm and want Carroll as the Sub just in case Walsh gets sore.

Last week despite bringing heaps of effort I thought Kennedy looked a bit out of place when he wasn't on the ball, maybe a bit of a reshuffle to come in the centre. I've noticed Kennedy, Hewett and Cerra seem to be waxing and waning a bit this season, Cerra can get away with it a bit because he has moments of silk, but I'm use to Kennedy and Hewett being 24x7 types.

We are looking more versatile this season, but I can't say we've clicked yet. I've mentioned it before, Voss / MC need to find a way to create a confidence boosting win, instead I feel we have a bit of a house of cards at the moment and we've been lucky so far. But I concede that can be good coaching, you can make your own luck.

Fogarty is a big loss.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on April 12, 2024, 12:57:16 pm
For me this week's most interesting watch will be our F50 tactics, we've been a bit out of sorts this season, some of it is down to evolving opposition tactics, but a good chunk of it is players finding their mojo in a stable configuration. We need to get a few more goals from the extras, opposition look hell bent on stopping Charlie having a crack at another Coleman.

We are probably quite lucky BigH has been in hot form, I wonder if this week he'll get caught out in the ruck like he did last week? O'Brien is a much bigger / harder body to run into.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on April 12, 2024, 04:13:13 pm
Cincotta stiff not to get a look in as a sub at least.
Elijah lucky to be in the 22.
Carroll a bit lucky to hold his spot with Walsh coming in. His performances are starting to decrease and needs lift his game to compete with the big boys he is rubbing shoulders with currently.

Fantasia/Durdin need to start lifting their game because we can't carry both all year and we are getting the output of 1 small forward between them.

Motlop, Martin, Cuningham and Fogarty all deserve a spot in the F50 before those too IMO, yet none are available at the moment.

Pitto, would do what he needs to if given a game, but we don't need him. 1 ruck only. If you wanna play him, give TDK a rest.

Cowan on the emergencies....i reckon that we could permanently write his name there because i don't think he is good enough to be in the team unless we have 20 players injured at once.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on April 12, 2024, 06:00:25 pm
Cincotta dominates the middle next two weeks in VFL would see him get a gig in front of Carroll.

Motlop and Cunners could be available next week to face GWS which is a very big game. So need to get our game going starting this round.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on April 12, 2024, 06:02:05 pm
Maybe put Cowan in the middle for few games.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 12, 2024, 07:56:20 pm
Cincotta dominates the middle next two weeks in VFL would see him get a gig in front of Carroll.

Motlop and Cunners could be available next week to face GWS which is a very big game. So need to get our game going starting this round.


Cottrell won't be getting dropped anytime soon, especially not for Cincotta.
Cunners can play twos until he is fit, no more "straight in" for the likes of him, Marchbank or Martin. Nuffs enuff.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 12, 2024, 07:56:39 pm
Maybe put Cowan in the middle for few games.
Why?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on April 12, 2024, 10:25:42 pm
Got a bad feeling about this game. Too much like last year. We weren't playing that well early on but we were getting the points. Then we played the crows and got spanked. Which just happened to be in round 5 no less. Things went pear shaped from there. For a while.
Will history repeat?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 12, 2024, 10:52:00 pm
Got a bad feeling about this game. Too much like last year. We weren't playing that well early on but we were getting the points. Then we played the crows and got spanked. Which just happened to be in round 5 no less. Things went pear shaped from there. For a while.
Will history repeat?
I'd be shocked if we let the same thing happen again but you never know. Ben Keys had a day out, that won't happen again. They do have fwd line that can prove troublesome. If it was at the G we'd be a certainty.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: tonyo on April 13, 2024, 06:25:58 am
I'd be shocked if we let the same thing happen again but you never know. Ben Keys had a day out, that won't happen again. They do have fwd line that can prove troublesome. If it was at the G we'd be a certainty.
Last year was in front of 40,000+ baying Crows fans at the Adelaide Oval for the first ever Gather game.  I'd like to think the shoe is on the other foot this time.......
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on April 13, 2024, 09:04:27 am
Bit of chat around this morning (social media, BF) that Cerra is having a test (hamstring).
May be an out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 13, 2024, 09:31:53 am
Bit of chat around this morning (social media, BF) that Cerra is having a test (hamstring).
May be an out.

Yeah read that, he's a power of work in first 4 rounds so if he needs a week off to be sure so be it. They are taking the p!55 with the Elijah selection as he can't possibly be right either so there might be a couple of changes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on April 13, 2024, 10:07:21 am
Cottrell won't be getting dropped anytime soon, especially not for Cincotta.
Cunners can play twos until he is fit, no more "straight in" for the likes of him, Marchbank or Martin. Nuffs enuff.

Might wanna throw your glasses on.

Cottrell and Carroll are 2 different players
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on April 13, 2024, 02:46:51 pm
If there are no late changes we obviously have a bigger list of injuries than publicised, that's the old Carlton way, keep everyone guessing.

Otherwise, it's the weirdest week of selections on record since the Voss / Cook regime started.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on April 13, 2024, 03:29:29 pm
If there are no late changes we obviously have a bigger list of injuries than publicised, that's the old Carlton way, keep everyone guessing.

Otherwise, it's the weirdest week of selections on record since the Voss / Cook regime started.

Why is it weird?  We’re undefeated, the Magoos had a bye last round and we don’t have places for the players that stood out in the previous round.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on April 13, 2024, 03:38:34 pm
Cerra out, hamstring strain.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on April 13, 2024, 03:38:54 pm
Cerra officially out with a hamstring.

No mention of who is in, but Cincotta was not in the VFL team, so you'd think its him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on April 13, 2024, 03:40:37 pm
Pitto is in. Watch our clearance numbers carefully today.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on April 13, 2024, 03:42:03 pm
Pitto is in. Watch our clearance numbers carefully today.

There goes our team balance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: dodge on April 13, 2024, 04:07:26 pm
Don't think they were surprised - just chucked a furphy in there for Adelaide.