When we were getting smashed in the middle, why weren't our (few) senior players moved to the centre to assist Cripps? Our small bodied mids were being mauled.
Why did no players assist or comfort Murphy or Jones when they were badly injured? Nobody went near them...Weitering was the only who went up to Jones (whilst Pittman got the giggles in the centre).
Why is Cripps the only player prepared to step up physically to an opponent who rag dolls one of our own?
When we fumble and lose possession, instead of laying a tackle to try to get the ball back we seem more concerned about running back to form our defensive grid or set up. This might be "the team thing", but it allows the opponent to continue with no pressure on him. Fisher, O'Brien, Walsh & SPS all did this yesterday...
Why do we repeatedly kick along the wings, back into huge congestion, instead of maintaining possession & switching play? Which version is our actual game plan under pressure?
When we were getting smashed in the middle, why weren't our (few) senior players moved to the centre to assist Cripps? Our small bodied mids were being mauled.
Why did no players assist or comfort Murphy or Jones when they were badly injured? Nobody went near them...Weitering was the only who went up to Jones (whilst Pittman got the giggles in the centre).
Why is Cripps the only player prepared to step up physically to an opponent who rag dolls one of our own?
When we fumble and lose possession, instead of laying a tackle to try to get the ball back we seem more concerned about running back to form our defensive grid or set up. This might be "the team thing", but it allows the opponent to continue with no pressure on him. Fisher, O'Brien, Walsh & SPS all did this yesterday...
Why do we repeatedly kick along the wings, back into huge congestion, instead of maintaining possession & switching play? Which version is our actual game plan under pressure?
Answer.....Every man for himself, usually happens when the ship is sinking and the crew are in panic mode.
I'd have Kerr in if I want some attitude...Kreuzer isnt going to front Mummy and Casboult gets ragdolled by blokes half his size.
Stocker has figured out you have stick up for yourself as there isnt any cavalry coming....
Stocker has figured out you have stick up for yourself as there isnt any cavalry coming....
That's so very sad!
The problem with the switching play is that our guys do it in slow motion.
Watch the GWS guys switching last night. Quick kicks, to open players and moving the ball forward.
Contrast to our guys who kick sideways, the bloke marks, goes back from the mark, looks through a 180 degree arc to assess options, picks one option, decides against it then picks another option, which by that time is a 3 on 1 contest in the opposition favour, and kicks.
When we do it quickly, we look a much better side. I dont know if it's about not being drilled in moving the ball on quickly, if it's about potential receivers not getting into the right positions or what.
We don't have cavalry. Mainly foot sloggers atm
The problem with the switching play is that our guys do it in slow motion.
Watch the GWS guys switching last night. Quick kicks, to open players and moving the ball forward.
Contrast to our guys who kick sideways, the bloke marks, goes back from the mark, looks through a 180 degree arc to assess options, picks one option, decides against it then picks another option, which by that time is a 3 on 1 contest in the opposition favour, and kicks.
When we do it quickly, we look a much better side. I dont know if it's about not being drilled in moving the ball on quickly, if it's about potential receivers not getting into the right positions or what.
Good points, Docherty is a loss in that area of switching play, of recent times we have seen even Levi having a crack at switching play :-X, we dont have a lot of those visionary type players who can
spot up a player and hit them with a bullet pass and then that player in turn hit up a player running at full tilt running down a wing and create an overlap.
Good points, Docherty is a loss in that area of switching play, of recent times we have seen even Levi having a crack at switching play :-X, we dont have a lot of those visionary type players who can
spot up a player and hit them with a bullet pass and then that player in turn hit up a player running at full tilt running down a wing and create an overlap.
It's rarely the guy with the ball that is the problem in that scenario, the ball carrier is usually highly motivated to get the ball moving quickly.
When the ball carrier hangs onto the ball it's almost always because there are no valid options being presented! I'll happily place that bet, that the problem is our kids are either not moving to present or in the wrong spots, and we have no runners to fix it!
The most important thing for mine is WTF do we stand for as a football team, what do we want to be known as? I have always liked the words ruthless and c$%& as descriptors. Funnily enough, Nick Riewoldt on SEN this morning talked about a story he heard last year about Longmire. He heard that Longmire wants his team to be ruthless and to be c#$%s to play against. Now we have a few blokes that I can think of who would have these character traits, they are Crippa, Doc, Simmo, Fisher (not often enough though), SOS, Marchy, Willo, Daisy (a little) and the new boy Stocker. The rest are all bunnies so for me, this is the biggest problem at our club. We are too nice as a group, we need to learn to c$#% up and put the "foot on the opos throat" when the opportunity arises. Ruthless. Teams will walk away knowing they played a game of football.
The most important thing for mine is WTF do we stand for as a football team, what do we want to be known as? I have always liked the words ruthless and c$%& as descriptors. Funnily enough, Nick Riewoldt on SEN this morning talked about a story he heard last year about Longmire. He heard that Longmire wants his team to be ruthless and to be c#$%s to play against. Now we have a few blokes that I can think of who would have these character traits, they are Crippa, Doc, Simmo, Fisher (not often enough though), SOS, Marchy, Willo, Daisy (a little) and the new boy Stocker. The rest are all bunnies so for me, this is the biggest problem at our club. We are too nice as a group, we need to learn to c$#% up and put the "foot on the opos throat" when the opportunity arises. Ruthless. Teams will walk away knowing they played a game of football.
I think you are sadly mistaken on Marchbank, he's closer to Jane in a Tarzan body, he almost plays bruise free football!
Even for guys like Willo who have shown a bit of aggro, it comes with fitness and form, if you are rooted from chook running and chasing an opponent all over the ground you'll have feck all energy to expend, and with the fatigue the anger fades!
I think you are sadly mistaken on Marchbank, he's closer to Jane in a Tarzan body, he almost plays bruise free football!
Even for guys like Willo who have shown a bit of aggro, it comes with fitness and form, if you are rooted from chook running and chasing an opponent all over the ground you'll have feck all energy to expend, and with the fatigue the anger fades!
Maybe not this year, but he has shown mongrel at times.
The other thing Nick R said on SEN this morning was about his definition of a brutal game review versus what young newbies think a brutal game review looks like. I assume he is talking about a review on the Thomas and Lyon days. That is , an old school look a player in the eyes and tell him he was s-house, or weak in front of the whole group. Its definitely needed but probably not the done thing these days, or is it?
Maybe not this year, but he has shown mongrel at times.
The other thing Nick R said on SEN this morning was about his definition of a brutal game review versus what young newbies think a brutal game review looks like. I assume he is talking about a review on the Thomas and Lyon days. That is , an old school look a player in the eyes and tell him he was s-house, or weak in front of the whole group. Its definitely needed but probably not the done thing these days, or is it?
It doesn't work and it barely happens, I recently had a discussion with a player operating under one of The Pudding Face Twins. I asked the kid if he was scary, he said not at all, most of his aggression is directed at the opposition and media. A flag he flew in the public forum that was very different to the closed doors stuff!
Maybe not this year, but he has shown mongrel at times.
The other thing Nick R said on SEN this morning was about his definition of a brutal game review versus what young newbies think a brutal game review looks like. I assume he is talking about a review on the Thomas and Lyon days. That is , an old school look a player in the eyes and tell him he was s-house, or weak in front of the whole group. Its definitely needed but probably not the done thing these days, or is it?
I think Rooey said that in his own experience and in discussion with current players, the more educational, calmer route is the done thing at most, if not all clubs. If that's true, then I think using it as justification for our efforts in the North and GWS games is a furphy. Otherwise all clubs would have performances like that, which isn't the case.
I think Rooey said that in his own experience and in discussion with current players, the more educational, calmer route is the done thing at most, if not all clubs. If that's true, then I think using it as justification for our efforts in the North and GWS games is a furphy. Otherwise all clubs would have performances like that, which isn't the case.
It's our group demographic, that's all it can be!
Add just one or two kids to a senior list and the game plan can be unraveled, we are adding one or two kids to a group of mostly kids and being forced to do so weekly!
btw., I think our club missed an opportunity to push a very strong point, in that we can partially blame the rule changes regarding the loss of runners for our stalled progress. Our young list is affected disproportionately by this rule change, although I can see why BB doesn't want to provide them with an excuse! The other major part of the blame goes to the scorched earth list policy.
Those two things I'd suggest are the biggest factors and by some margin!
It's our group demographic, that's all it can be!
Add just one or two kids to a senior list and the game plan can be unraveled, we are adding one or two kids to a group of mostly kids and being forced to do so weekly!
Shhh...You must allow the Carlton Coach Killer Vortex™ to do its thing. It is our way, the Carlton way, and it must not be disturbed as it goes about its business.
Shhh...You must allow the Carlton Coach Killer Vortex™ to do its thing. It is our way, the Carlton way, and it must not be disturbed as it goes about its business.
Sorry wasn't finished! ;)
LP....with all due respect we're grasping at straws if we think the change to the runner rule is a major reason for where we're at. Brisbane were in a similar position to us a couple of years ago and down near the bottom. They're now in 4th spot on the ladder on the back of some great young players. Yes they got Neale in but they lost Beams too. We had a chance to get Lyons a couple of years ago as part of the Gibbs deal and we laughed him off.....he'd be a walk up start into our best 18 right now.
Yes we've missed Docherty's leadership down back but we've had Simpson and Thomas as senior players down back for much of the year just as Brisbane have had Hodge. Yes we copped GWS on the rebound but how can you compare what was dished up yesterday with how competitive we were against Collingwood. Similarly, after a good effort against the Hawks, we just simply didn't turn up against North.
Our supporters are getting pretty fed up with the false dawns and the "promise". Results like yesterday set the club back years. A similar performance this weekend against St Kilda and I reckon it's curtains for Bolton.
[quote]Results like yesterday set the club back years. A similar performance this weekend against St Kilda and I reckon it's curtains for Bolton.[/quote]
That's what all the Bolton - stay the course - types don't factor in....
+ loss of supporters (indeed, a whole generation or more of supporters)
+ loss of sponsors
+ loss of game day revenue (who wants to watch a game if our blokes serve up yesterday's effort?)
+ loss of players who might otherwise see CFC as an option
+ Cripps deciding to go West.
Other than that, Bolts is doing a fine job!
I think you are sadly mistaken on Marchbank, he's closer to Jane in a Tarzan body, he almost plays bruise free football!
Even for guys like Willo who have shown a bit of aggro, it comes with fitness and form, if you are rooted from chook running and chasing an opponent all over the ground you'll have feck all energy to expend, and with the fatigue the anger fades!
Willo has thinned off a bit and looks like need needs some pasta, spuds and heavy weights but I guess his back issues are probably not conducive to
putting on weight perhaps, but he does have a go back and remains a favourite player of mine for just that reason.
Agree on Marchbank, doesnt really fly the flag in any aggressive way....Himmelberg was pushing him around and he didnt respond at all.
We must have the nicest group of talls too....Krezuer, Harry and Levi, not really inclined to throw their weight around or mess with the likes of Mummy.
I like Stocker and Simpson who will give some cheek back but alas their size is against them .
In games like yesterday, runners clearly would have made no difference. But in clutch games like the GC or Hawks game.............
It doesn't work and it barely happens, I recently had a discussion with a player operating under one of The Pudding Face Twins. I asked the kid if he was scary, he said not at all, most of his aggression is directed at the opposition and media. A flag he flew in the public forum that was very different to the closed doors stuff!
That's not my mail. Plenty of brutal honesty from the top coaches when needed, just more strategic. The calm and educational approach is more the norm but don't worry, when coaches see any softness there are intense exchanges. Can you really imagine Clarkson, Buckley, Dimma etc taking it calmly if their side put in a sh1te game? Nuh. A little more circumspect, yes. And don't worry, the Scott boys don't mince words... in fact Brad was told, after a review 2 years ago that he was too soft - and that came from the players.
re 'niceness' thats what happens when you have a list full of kids.
I'd add Jones in to the c%nt group as well.
Dare i say it, but we miss Jed Lamb. I would much rather have him on our list over Matthew Cottrell right now.
Dare i say it, but we miss Jed Lamb.
Agreed, when Lamb, Pickett and Garlett played altogether a couple of years ago we put on a lot more pressure.
re 'niceness' thats what happens when you have a list full of kids.
I'd add Jones in to the c%nt group as well.
Dare i say it, but we miss Jed Lamb. I would much rather have him on our list over Matthew Cottrell right now.
X4 zillion.
That's not my mail. Plenty of brutal honesty from the top coaches when needed, just more strategic. The calm and educational approach is more the norm but don't worry, when coaches see any softness there are intense exchanges. Can you really imagine Clarkson, Buckley, Dimma etc taking it calmly if their side put in a sh1te game? Nuh. A little more circumspect, yes. And don't worry, the Scott boys don't mince words... in fact Brad was told, after a review 2 years ago that he was too soft - and that came from the players.
I'm just telling you what a current Norp player stated directly to me, and you have actually written a historical account of as much yourself, but you're claiming it's wrong! :o
btw., The players that complained, most of them are no longer at the club are they?
Yes Jed was a little crap wasn’t he, niggling and baiting - and guess what, we won games.
Can’t remember who it was - PaulP? - that said we don’t like that kind of play that Jed did, the niggling. Guess what, we MISS that now! Do we like what we have now which is virtually NOTHING including barely any wins.
There’s only so much patience one can have.
Yes Jed was a little crap wasn’t he, niggling and baiting - and guess what, we won games.
Can’t remember who it was - PaulP? - that said we don’t like that kind of play that Jed did, the niggling. Guess what, we MISS that now! Do we like what we have now which is virtually NOTHING including barely any wins.
There’s only so much patience one can have.
As others have highlighted we kept LeBois (who never gets on the park) and picked Cottrell (an uber raw kid with nothing special written all over him other than he's a good runner) - yet dumped a 25yo mature bodied, seasoned type who was a pretty consistent performer when all was said and done....
As others have highlighted we kept LeBois (who never gets on the park) and picked Cottrell (an uber raw kid with nothing special written all over him other than he's a good runner) - yet dumped a 25yo mature bodied, seasoned type who was a pretty consistent performer when all was said and done....
Cottrell did quite a few nice things at the weekend in the VFL, plays tall for his size, is quick enough and reasonably agile, wasn't afraid to put his body on the line in a couple of Ken Hunter style moments.
Cottrell did quite a few nice things at the weekend in the VFL, plays tall for his size, is quick enough and reasonably agile, wasn't afraid to put his body on the line in a couple of Ken Hunter style moments.
He did all of that LP but vs Frankston who are VFL battlers and I wouldnt call him as any chance of playing seniors for a long time.
He is a speculative gamble at best when what we need is hardened bodies with AFL experience, he was a strange choice given his TAC form was average at best
and he was mainly used as a tagger or on a wing. Think we could have done a lot better..
That's not my mail. Plenty of brutal honesty from the top coaches when needed, just more strategic. The calm and educational approach is more the norm but don't worry, when coaches see any softness there are intense exchanges. Can you really imagine Clarkson, Buckley, Dimma etc taking it calmly if their side put in a sh1te game? Nuh. A little more circumspect, yes. And don't worry, the Scott boys don't mince words... in fact Brad was told, after a review 2 years ago that he was too soft - and that came from the players.
Great, I want to know what Bolts and crew do.
He did all of that LP but vs Frankston who are VFL battlers and I wouldnt call him as any chance of playing seniors for a long time.
He is a speculative gamble at best when what we need is hardened bodies with AFL experience, he was a strange choice given his TAC form was average at best
and he was mainly used as a tagger or on a wing. Think we could have done a lot better..
Frankston's only plus is they are a heavily built side with many tradie types, being physical against them is a good sign for Cottrell and Polson because that physical aspect is about all Frankston can reliably bring.
Guys like Fasolo and Lang getting out the back into space means so much less, because Franktson players can't keep up aerobically with the AFL types for four quarters. If Lang or Fasolo had smashed the Frankston boys on the inside contest I'd be much more impressed, the outside stuff is something I expect as a bare minimum!
losing Jed surprised me tbh. had limitations, but was a pretty dependable kent who would always do his bit.
early days i agreed with gifting the kids (some) games to get some experience into them. my only complaint is it was taken too far at times.
too much focus on development, too little focus on winning, and both for too long. i was calling at the start of 2018 to focus hard on winning. it became evident in round 1 that last year was seen as another development year, and that disappointed me. i suspect the club thought we'll go hard for wins at the start of 2019 and we'll be right. guess what - the team is now indoctrinated to think development is better than winning.
most think our team is talented enough, and agree we're a touch on the young side now, but we ain't babies any more. Until 3 weeks ago I think BB had until the end of the season to get some wins, but most of us (as lead by the lovely AFL media 'personalities') think he's really got 4 weeks. I know they're sh1t stirrers, but this time they are right if you ask me. If he can't get the boys up for 2 wins in the next 4 (and nobody cares about honourable losses any more), then he's gotta be in real strife.
I'm not one for knee jerk reactions, and putting BB on notice for season 2019 is not a knee jerk reaction. I agreed with the SoS move for Stocker last trade season. We simply should not be where we are right now. Time is running out to rectify the situation, and if the coaching panel and players can't pull their fingers out, the club will be a laughing stock (if we aren't already).
Crazy as it all sounds - i'm still backing BB and our boys in.
Said it for the last couple of years now but Jye Bolton is one the club should've got in as a mature aged recruit. He's got his limitations but betting smashed on the inside is not one of them. He's as tough as nails and goes in hard and I'd be staggered if he's not picked up by someone in the upcoming mid-season draft. He could've been picked up with a nothing pick in last year's draft and he's already showing again in the WAFL why he's such a good inside player...leading pretty much all of the media awards.
Stocker might end up being good but there's no way the club thought we'd be rock bottom (again) when they decided to do that deal. I feel sorry for the kid because he's gonna have that hanging over his head for years if this year's number 1 pick goes to Adelaide and that pick proves to be a gem.
Given the lack of depth we've got, whoever we take in that mid-season draft needs to be able to pretty much step into the team at any moment.
Said it for the last couple of years now but Jye Bolton is one the club should've got in as a mature aged recruit. He's got his limitations but betting smashed on the inside is not one of them. He's as tough as nails and goes in hard and I'd be staggered if he's not picked up by someone in the upcoming mid-season draft. He could've been picked up with a nothing pick in last year's draft and he's already showing again in the WAFL why he's such a good inside player...leading pretty much all of the media awards.
Stocker might end up being good but there's no way the club thought we'd be rock bottom (again) when they decided to do that deal. I feel sorry for the kid because he's gonna have that hanging over his head for years if this year's number 1 pick goes to Adelaide and that pick proves to be a gem.
Given the lack of depth we've got, whoever we take in that mid-season draft needs to be able to pretty much step into the team at any moment.
Totally agree....Marlion Pickett and Jye Bolton straight into the team....Stocker is a good kid and I'd have him in the midfield but happy to let him progress down back out of harms way.
Feel for Walsh having to play like a veteran, no need to burden Stocker as well, those two will be good value down the track.
We took young O'Dwyer in last year's draft with a 4th round pick that was speculative at best and in all likelihood the kid will never play a game for us. That pick could've been used on either of Bolton or Pickett and either one of them would be playing right now.
We took young O'Dwyer in last year's draft with a 4th round pick that was speculative at best and in all likelihood the kid will never play a game for us. That pick could've been used on either of Bolton or Pickett and either one of them would be playing right now.
ODwyer is miles off senior footy, not the kids fault, he is a real spec pick and I agree it was a waste of a pick IMO given the amount of youth and lack of mid age talent we have.
Totally agree....Marlion Pickett and Jye Bolton straight into the team....Stocker is a good kid and I'd have him in the midfield but happy to let him progress down back out of harms way.
Feel for Walsh having to play like a veteran, no need to burden Stocker as well, those two will be good value down the track.
Even the way they have dealt with Gibbons has been odd.
Why not say to the guy, ok you're a mid through and though - go and do what you do best.
Ditto Ed C - at age 29 they try and make him a small forward. Nice one.
Again, the word dumb keeps reverberating.....
Even the way they have dealt with Gibbons has been odd.
Why not say to the guy, ok you're a mid through and though - go and do what you do best.
Ditto Ed C - at age 29 they try and make him a small forward. Nice one.
Again, the word dumb keeps reverberating.....
Ed is a victim of our game plan which includes no tagging and favours zones over running with an opposition player. If he isn’t going in the midfield the only other option I see if to play him as a small defender, which given his kicking skills is also sub optimal.
Ed is a victim of our game plan which includes no tagging and favours zones over running with an opposition player. If he isn’t going in the midfield the only other option I see if to play him as a small defender, which given his kicking skills is also sub optimal.
Well then, maybe the game plan is equally dumb?
How many games have we won - someone refresh my memory....?
Well then, maybe the game plan is equally dumb?
No argument from me there.
Guarding space in the hope a miskick results in a turnover is doomed. We have zero intensity and the players are always standing by as the opposition just kick to the spaces and allow their team mates to run through it. The zone then breaks down as four Carlton players then engage in a half hearted chase which leaves 3 opponents free who then run on harder.
Even when it does work and we get an intercept mark, our instant response is for another three payers to push back to set up for the slow backwards kicks to transfer play. The opposition run harder to close off the ground on the other side and we end up just kicking long down the boundary line to a contest. Given 4 of our guys are spread out in the defensive 50 for this wasteful set up we are then outnumbered when the long kick happens and generally turn the ball over.
When this doesn’t happen we usually just get the ball and kick long down the boundary first chance we get.
On rare occasions when we try and link up to run through the centre in numbers we actually look good - as evidenced by the games against the dogs and first half against the Hawks.
This has been happening for a long time. So my question is why won’t the coaches change the plan? Why won’t they try carrying the ball more to use our younger legs, using Ed to nullify the opposition’s best mid and using a different backline set up where everyone gets 1 player and keeping a spare man back who is the main initiator of the aforementioned run and carry off half back?
No argument from me there.
Guarding space in the hope a miskick results in a turnover is doomed. We have zero intensity and the players are always standing by as the opposition just kick to the spaces and allow their team mates to run through it. The zone then breaks down as four Carlton players then engage in a half hearted chase which leaves 3 opponents free who then run on harder.
Even when it does work and we get an intercept mark, our instant response is for another three payers to push back to set up for the slow backwards kicks to transfer play. The opposition run harder to close off the ground on the other side and we end up just kicking long down the boundary line to a contest. Given 4 of our guys are spread out in the defensive 50 for this wasteful set up we are then outnumbered when the long kick happens and generally turn the ball over.
When this doesn’t happen we usually just get the ball and kick long down the boundary first chance we get.
On rare occasions when we try and link up to run through the centre in numbers we actually look good - as evidenced by the games against the dogs and first half against the Hawks.
This has been happening for a long time. So my question is why won’t the coaches change the plan? Why won’t they try carrying the ball more to use our younger legs, using Ed to nullify the opposition’s best mid and using a different backline set up where everyone gets 1 player and keeping a spare man back who is the main initiator of the aforementioned run and carry off half back?
And yet we all but bested the Pies...that's what baffles me the most (and don't give me the they're young BS).
Agree EB....wasn't having a go at O'Dwyer as he's just a kid but rather the decision to recruit another young kid when we lacked that mid 20's level of blokes. There's no certainties in the draft but I'd have put money on either of Bolton or Pickett or even Schloithe having a pretty immediate impact. I just wonder what sort of impact it has on young blokes in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd years of footy just getting bashed around each week because there's no support and hardly ever experiencing that winning feeling....I'm over the losing feeling I know that much!
Agree EB....wasn't having a go at O'Dwyer as he's just a kid but rather the decision to recruit another young kid when we lacked that mid 20's level of blokes. There's no certainties in the draft but I'd have put money on either of Bolton or Pickett or even Schloithe having a pretty immediate impact. I just wonder what sort of impact it has on young blokes in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd years of footy just getting bashed around each week because there's no support and hardly ever experiencing that winning feeling....I'm over the losing feeling I know that much!
Surfie...Winning feeling is part of development and undervalued....you go out each week thinking its going to be tough to win and you start thinking about your own game only and survival.You end up with 22 blokes thinking about themselves and you get results like we did last week with players happy to guard their own patch of grass and even young kids like Walsh pointing the finger at others. Thats when you know you have a problem and the team are not a team anymore but just a group of individuals and kids then learn no other way and you then have to reprogram them with strong coaching and strong leadership on the field. Cripps is a good leader but has no support and as we saw is at the end of his rope and about over it..
Maybe having a player with a surname the same as the coach is too hard for them to get their head around!!!
And yet we all but bested the Pies...that's what baffles me the most (and don't give me the they're young BS).
We did? The pies we’re ahead for most of the game then finished us off with a seven goal final quarter.
Agree EB....wasn't having a go at O'Dwyer as he's just a kid but rather the decision to recruit another young kid when we lacked that mid 20's level of blokes. There's no certainties in the draft but I'd have put money on either of Bolton or Pickett or even Schloithe having a pretty immediate impact. I just wonder what sort of impact it has on young blokes in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd years of footy just getting bashed around each week because there's no support and hardly ever experiencing that winning feeling....I'm over the losing feeling I know that much!
I'd prefer we went for more 20 somethings also - but more so because it increases our chances of success I reckon.
If O'Dwyer wasn't on our list he certainly wouldn't be in the frame to be picked up in the mid season draft. There is little risk in leaving these Raso-esque players to prove themselves in the VFL rather than being picked up on a super-speculative basis.
We did? The pies we’re ahead for most of the game then finished us off with a seven goal final quarter.
Cripps just missed that shot to put us 3 goals up with 8ish minutes to go.
Cripps just missed that shot to put us 3 goals up with 8ish minutes to go.
Then what happened?