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Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #105 –
Quote from: laj on
Watching the game again Doc got 6 kicks in the 2nd qtr  with a stuffed ACL and meniscus. Sometimes they hurt but sometime times you feel no extensive pain. No wonder they were shocked when they found the extent of his injury.

ACL's are overrated...lol.

Told this story a few times, but hurt my knee, went to the Docs, got scans 'all clear'. Hurt like hell for a fwe days. Couldn't walk properly for a week.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again. Less pain. Didn't go to the docs because ...why....gonna tell me the same thing.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again, this time it was full on, knee completely sideways to the rest of my body, slingshot me over it, peoples eyes popping out of their head watching it as it looked horrorfying. Casually hobbled off. 5 minutes later, no pain at all. Just a bit swollen and hard to flex. Went to the docs, went to the specialist. Yep, did my acl the first time, scans just didn't pick it.

Fast forward 20+ years later, still haven't had surgery. Still active enough, just had to change the way i walk/turn and jump/land etc. Obviously nothing overly strenuous.
But.....i'm more active than others my age and you can't tell i'm missing my ACL (and whatever other damage i have in there as well).
Ran 25km great ocean road ultra half marathon and various other races in good time. Tough Mudder, tough bloke challenge, spartan....all that stuff.

You learn to live without an ACL, its not the end of the world, and yes, overrated.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #106 –
Quote from: LoveNavy on
Assessment for ACLs are overrated!

I had my own experience of rupturing my ACL, torn meniscis, and some other damage. Physio said ACL's ok, here's the exercises and off I went. A year later (pain, ltd sleep etc), my only option was a total knee replacement.

Doc will have the best care available and continue to be a leader. I'd love to see him pull on the guernsey again 🤞
If anyone can. Doc can

While I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek the only way to fix an ACL is a reco. Otherwise just huge instability can wreck the meniscus completely. Some can go without it, other have the meniscus ripped right up.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #107 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Told this story a few times, but hurt my knee, went to the Docs, got scans 'all clear'. Hurt like hell for a fwe days. Couldn't walk properly for a week.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again. Less pain. Didn't go to the docs because ...why....gonna tell me the same thing.
Kept playing sports, hurt it again, this time it was full on, knee completely sideways to the rest of my body, slingshot me over it, peoples eyes popping out of their head watching it as it looked horrorfying. Casually hobbled off. 5 minutes later, no pain at all. Just a bit swollen and hard to flex. Went to the docs, went to the specialist. Yep, did my acl the first time, scans just didn't pick it.

Fast forward 20+ years later, still haven't had surgery. Still active enough, just had to change the way i walk/turn and jump/land etc. Obviously nothing overly strenuous.
But.....i'm more active than others my age and you can't tell i'm missing my ACL (and whatever other damage i have in there as well).
Ran 25km great ocean road ultra half marathon and various other races in good time. Tough Mudder, tough bloke challenge, spartan....all that stuff.

You learn to live without an ACL, its not the end of the world, and yes, overrated.

Some are good, like you were, where you were also able to re-train yourself very successfully, strengthen the right areas, others though the instability can rip their meniscus up completely. Those Winter Olympians are often competing without and ACL, a few medalists among them. The Olympics are just too important to them to miss. They just strap it up and stabilise it the best way they can and retain themselves for the competition. The ACL rupture is common amongst those extreme competitors.

Reckon the pain Doc may have had by half time was the meniscus. Seems he had no idea he had an ACL rupture as he was still running around and got 6 possessions, 5 marks, for the qtr like nothing had happened.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #108 –
Quote from: laj on
While I was talking a bit tongue-in-cheek the only way to fix an ACL is a reco. Otherwise just huge instability can wreck the meniscus completely. Some can go without it, other have the meniscus ripped right up.

Yes, I got that 😉

Mine was the latter unfortunately. Meniscus was so diminished that I was bone on bone with osteo setting in. The worse part was taking the PT assessment without question 😕
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #109 –
The only things left in decent condition of my left knee were the cruciate ligaments. But they're gone now. Metal and plastic taking their place. Still not to where the doc thought I'd be. Very not-fun experience.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #110 –
It was interesting to compare the coaches.  Fagan coached from the box so it’s not the same context but they were very different.

Vossy was on the go the whole time; interacting with players, assistants, etc, reacting to things on the field, looking at stats and generally involving himself in the game.

The shots of Fagan generally followed a significant play and we didn’t see as much of him.  What we did see bore a striking resemblance to a stunned mullet.

I know there’s not much coaches can do once the game starts but Vossy’s coaching style resonates with the playing group and must reinforce their self belief.

Fagan’s presser reinforced my impression that he was wrong-footed by our resilience and found it difficult to comprehend our superiority from the last part of the second quarter.  I think that he’s a better coach when he coaches from the bench.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #111 –
I always think Vossy is more of a coach/non -playing captain who is riding the bumps with the boys and responding in real time as to how the game is unfolding. Other coaching staff probably take note of and discuss the more strategic aspects with  him later.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #112 –
Lachie Neale....making friends again.  King of the squealers.  Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth would it?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #113 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
I always think Vossy is more of a coach/non -playing captain who is riding the bumps with the boys and responding in real time as to how the game is unfolding. Other coaching staff probably take note of and discuss the more strategic aspects with  him later.

Good pick-up Fluffy One. A real 'hands on' senior coach. Love it. And when you have the kind of respect -- factoring in his playing achievements -- from the players that Vossy obviously has, its a real play to your strengths coaching strategy.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17