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Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #60
Kennedy the Sub confirmed

Great news. Surprised, but rapt. It's not personal, though it may seem it, I'm sure he's a terrific kid and hopefully he'll go back to the Magoos and focus and work on his game. But his output was below par. No more passengers...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #61
McGovern will have to take Gunston imho.....he will be too tall for any of the remaining defenders given Weitering and Young will be occupied. Probably leaves Newman with Rayner if he starts on the field with their other tall forwards. Unless they get brave and start Kemp on Gunston....

Gunston plays a fair bit taller than his height but so do McGovern and Kemp.  I’d start Kemp on Gunston; he has the athleticism to match anything that Gunston can produce.  Gunston is wily but getting beat in contests tends to concentrate the mind on the basics.

Kemp (and Silvagni) took Young’s role when he went into the ruck and that could be a challenge with Brisbane’s tall forwards and the big O if he rests forward.  It will be interesting to see how we play that but limiting supply should be the focus.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #62
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.

Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.


Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #64
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.

Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.

In the short term I agree as fisher at this stage is a better footballer than honey but I like the long term approach Voss is showing here.

Honey is learning the ropes and while he hasn’t shown much yet giving a young player a decent block of games I think fast tracks development rather then only holding your spot if you perform. Obviously there comes a time when you have to make the call but I don’t mind giving young players extended runs.

 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #65
In the short term I agree as fisher at this stage is a better footballer than honey but I like the long term approach Voss is showing here.

Honey is learning the ropes and while he hasn’t shown much yet giving a young player a decent block of games I think fast tracks development rather then only holding your spot if you perform. Obviously there comes a time when you have to make the call but I don’t mind giving young players extended runs.
Honey has absolute lighting pace, just wish he'd BLOODY USE IT MORE. Dead set, I hope the penny drops, no one will catch bloke. At the minute, he lopes around almost looking disinterested and like he has just woken up from a sleep. FFS drink a litre of red cordial before the game son!
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #66
Carlton is doing the right thing retaining Honey despite his lack of form.

He’s got himself to the right positions a few times but for whatever reason appears to be lacking confidence - I’m hoping that this extended run of games is a sign that our coaching staff are telling Honey that he has free licence and that they do not mind if Honey makes a mistake taking players on or having a shot. If Honey’s confidence builds and he starts to use his pace and strength there simply aren’t too many defenders that will be able to go with him.

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Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #67
Honey has absolute lighting pace, just wish he'd BLOODY USE IT MORE. Dead set, I hope the penny drops, no one will catch bloke. At the minute, he lopes around almost looking disinterested and like he has just woken up from a sleep. FFS drink a litre of red cordial before the game son!

Couldn’t agree more - just read your note after posting

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #68
Fisher dropped is surprising for one reason and one reason only.
Honey is still picked in the team.

Honey should have gone for Motlop, not Fisher.

I dont think a small plays forward of center that averages 1 tackle and 2 score assists gets a game under Voss

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #69
All valid points re Honey.

But....he was not in great form in the VFL. He has shown little form in the AFL.
So if we want to build confidence etc, surely he has to get VFL right first?

The kid has had an extended run at it already. This will be his 5th game in a row. He has had a best game of 10 disposals. Is tackling less than twice a game on average. Has 1, 1% for the year.
He is older than Durdin and Motlop, but performing worse and hitting the scoreboard less, as well as getting the ball less.

We don't gift games to anyone at the moment, Cowan, Holland and Cincotta have all earned games.......and then there is honey.
Cowan performed better, but was still dropped when form warranted it.

I don't see what he is doing that continues to give him that 'free pass' for now.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #70
All valid points re Honey.

But....he was not in great form in the VFL. He has shown little form in the AFL.
So if we want to build confidence etc, surely he has to get VFL right first?

The kid has had an extended run at it already. This will be his 5th game in a row. He has had a best game of 10 disposals. Is tackling less than twice a game on average. Has 1, 1% for the year.
He is older than Durdin and Motlop, but performing worse and hitting the scoreboard less, as well as getting the ball less.

We don't gift games to anyone at the moment, Cowan, Holland and Cincotta have all earned games.......and then there is honey.
Cowan performed better, but was still dropped when form warranted it.

I don't see what he is doing that continues to give him that 'free pass' for now.


Homey I think got retained purely for passing it off rather than blaze away and going himself.

Our small forwards are horribly out of form so it's not like they should be right back in.
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #71
Many of us had been calling for Fisher to spend some time in the VFL for weeks after the start of the season, then after perhaps turning around his form and showing signs of improvement he gets the chop.

I'm vexed, it's very vexing!
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Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #72
Carlton is doing the right thing retaining Honey despite his lack of form.

He’s got himself to the right positions a few times but for whatever reason appears to be lacking confidence - I’m hoping that this extended run of games is a sign that our coaching staff are telling Honey that he has free licence and that they do not mind if Honey makes a mistake taking players on or having a shot. If Honey’s confidence builds and he starts to use his pace and strength there simply aren’t too many defenders that will be able to go with him.

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Well said, No. 6. But he'd want to get a wriggle on, a few blokes who could take his place are warming up in the Magoos/returning from injury soon.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #73
Honey won't make it, has never played 4 quarters in his life even going back to U18 level...

Re: AFL Rd 8 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #74
Honey won't make it, has never played 4 quarters in his life even going back to U18 level...
Never say never but he needs to make hay...you know the rest.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time