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Dow and Kennedy are unproven and Byrne is a turnover merchant who doesnt defend that well.....Dows kicking is questionable and Kennedys fitness the same....
Charlie Curnow... tick
Lang could be handy but isnt a proven midfielder yet and no Robbie Gray as a half forward either.
Weitering...who knows?..he is broken and no guarantee to be fixed, he wants it bruise free and will need to harden up to make it...
Docherty and Williamson...agree big losses, both are top players, I really rate Williamson....usually we pick little schoolboys but he is a good size and has a go.
Pickett....very promising but needs a better team to create more opportunities for him....
SPS...see Chris Yarran.....could go either way real talent but real lazy too..
Obrien....nice kick but needs a bigger stronger fram to impact....unproven...

I just don't get the "rebuild has failed". We are still right in the middle of it. When you cook a casserole, you get the ingredients, you chop them up and put them in a pot together, that's where we are. Now we have to wait 45 mins to and hour to get the finished product. This is the next 2-3 seasons.

I just don't get the "rebuild has failed". We are still right in the middle of it. When you cook a casserole, you get the ingredients, you chop them up and put them in a pot together, that's where we are. Now we have to wait 45 mins to and hour to get the finished product. This is the next 2-3 seasons. 

"Dow and Kennedy are unproven" Yes, you get that with young players, hence the need to be patient.

"Byrne tries to do too much" Again a player with less than 25 game under his belt, has good size and speed and does kick a long ball but needs time and a consistent go at it before you can really gauge his game.

"Lang could be handy but isnt a proven midfielder yet" Again a young player with not many game under his belt so time is needed.

"Weitering...who knows?..he is broken and no guarantee to be fixed" No guarantee he won't be fixed either. Rance was ordinary for his first 4-5 seasons. It would have been interesting to see if we hadn't of moved him forward, to where he'd be now. Again still only young and is another season and a half away from having enough experience.

"Pickett....very promising but needs a better team to create more opportunities for him" Again with time he will get a better team around him. Pickett is far from a finished product with less than 15 games under his belt. 2-3 seasons.

"SPS...see Chris Yarran.....could go either way real talent but real lazy too.." I agree here to a point, he needs to be dropped and told to go hunt the ball in the 2s get the 25 possessions for a couple of weeks then bring him back.

"Obrien....nice kick but needs a bigger stronger frame to impact....unproven" Again game 3 in his career, he is 3-4 seasons away from having a real impact.

Looking at your replies EB, I wonder if you understand building through a draft. Your comments of unproven are correct but of course they are unproven as they have only just been drafted. You do draft school bpys

Dangerfield, showed glimpses during his first 5 seasons but he was never the league start that he is now. Martin, same deal, it took him several years to get his head straight and attitude right. Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Josh Kennedy, Tom Mitchell, Rory Sloane, Luke Parker....... all took 4-5 seasons plus to get their games right now AFL stars.

I just don't get the "rebuild has failed". We are still right in the middle of it. When you cook a casserole, you get the ingredients, you chop them up and put them in a pot together, that's where we are. Now we have to wait 45 mins to and hour to get the finished product. This is the next 2-3 seasons. 

"Dows kicking is questionable and Kennedys fitness the same...." Could not disagree more with Dows kicking, his kicking when he's not tired is outstanding and his hands are immaculate, he is not AFL fit but why would he be? Kennedy shouldn't be playing he looks hampered by the ankle. He needs a few weeks off to get right. The game against Richmond, before he hurt his ankle I'd say he was almost best on ground for a quarter and a half. I agree he needs fitness, something that doesn't come easy with an ankle injury.

BTW Charlie is no where near a tick yet, for a tick he needs to grab the marks and kick the easy goals that he missed, but again with a couple more seasons in the gym and kicking practise I'm sure he'll get there.

As for your comment about Mills on LBJ, I reckon Mills would have him, cause he's an Aussie

Bolton is shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, he has very little to choose from through injury, so SPS can't get dropped, Plowman can have games off to recover and Marchbank was bought back too early, as he looked underdone. The cupboard is bare of capable bodies so we need to be patient.

re: Weitering...Rance didnt run around trying to avoid contact or have the coach trying to hide him on the field and find a soft opponent for him either.

That's not quite true though is it EB1.

My Nthmond friends tell me Rance's early career was actually quite like the way Liam Jones plays at the moment, A-Grade chook runner trying to fly high and spoil marks everywhere was one description I got! He came good towards the end of his 3rd year, and they put that down to the arrival of Martin, Grigg and Houli that year or before, because they pushed back hard to clean up Rance's spoils.

What Nthmond didn't do, was waste trying to turn the kid into a key forward!

My big question over our club this year is the same as Deags, when we switched to attack we deserted the defenders and it made them look very ordinary, we didn't have the players coming off the HBF or Wing pushing back very hard at all! We still don't, watch the weekends game and closely monitor SPS, Marchbank, Dow and Simmo. It's not about top speed, because they seem to run half speed on the return journey. It leaves us looking outnumbered everywhere!

LP ..Rance was inconsistent and a turnover merchant early......my point is JW has become timid, hesitant and doesnt want physical contact, he is also trying to disguise it by
not arriving at contests on time usually late or trying to sneak away from where the action is, his last game there was this half ar$ed spoiling attempt in the back pocket where he arrived late and nowhere near the ball...the kid is shell shocked and needs a major intervention....

I would definitely like to see Weiters rehabilitated in the NBs for a few weeks under some close guidance from say ASOS. He cost us too much to not be looking after his development a lot more closely.

LP ..Rance was inconsistent and a turnover merchant early......my point is JW has become timid, hesitant and doesnt want physical contact, he is also trying to disguise it by
not arriving at contests on time usually late or trying to sneak away from where the action is, his last game there was this half ar$ed spoiling attempt in the back pocket where he arrived late and nowhere near the ball...the kid is shell shocked and needs a major intervention....

@ LP

To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.

@ LP

To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.

You do remember Weitering's first season don't you, or his finish to last season, what is McKay's equivalent?

There is no basis for condemning a 20 year old who lead the AFL Intercept marking as an 18 year old.  Have a look at Lever version 2018, chocolates to boiled lollies, nobody is pulling the pin on him as quickly as Carlton fans seem to want to cook Weitering!

@ LP

To me McKay exudes confidence and looks like he's having a ball. By comparison Weiters lacks an air of assurance, seems relatively tentative and certainly looks like he is finding the whole experience excruciating. Also seems a bit distant from the other players. Just the impressions I get from his body language.