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Hitting the draft and recruiting Daisy Thomas isn't a rebuild, restumping, reanything.

The Daisy Thomas who has been amongst our best this year and is still considered best 22...seems like pretty smart recruiting in hindsight

Atm Lods Daisy is very very important for us. Maybe a happy accident rather than inspired planning - who knows?

Murphy wasn't supposed to be missing... and the addition of players like Kennedy and Lang and the drafting of Dow plus an expected improvement in SPS  should have given us a close to break even....otherwise Gibbs was some sort of super player.

Now fates have conspired against us...but lets assume down the track, towards the end of the season,  we have all these players fit and available.
We should have a better mid-field.

Docherty's the bigger loss....I suspect he would probably have spent some more time in the mid-field...but what we really miss is his setting up attacks from the half back. It would have been the key to the  more attacking game plan.... and the fact we tried that without his contribution was brave but obviously not very successful.

The Daisy Thomas who has been amongst our best this year and is still considered best 22...seems like pretty smart recruiting in hindsight

Gibbs is a seriously good footballer.   Grossly underated by these boards and Carlton Fans in general.   Most likely from frustrations that he hadn't won 4 brownlows and led us to 6 premierships.   Yeah he wasn't hard like Dusty Martin, but he was composed, clean, a great field kick and a bloody good footballer.

He is a player that can have 43 touches, 8 Marks, 10 tackles and kick 2 goals in a game.

You can't replace that with Kennedy (19 games), Lang (44) who couldn't crack the Cats Midfield, Dow (0) and SPS (21).    It's like trying to replace Steve Smith with Renshaw, Burns, Handscomb and Travis Head.   Yeah I know Gibbs isn't Steve Smith

The decison to trade Gibbs was always going to be a step back, to make up better in the long run.    6 months long run?   No.   3-4 years.

Problem is, this is the 3rd, 4th, 5th? 'rebuild, redevelopment, rennovation, rejuvination...'

This casserole was supposed to be for dinner......last week. By the time its cooked we'll be dead from malnutrition!

You cannot blame Bolton/SOS for the disasters of the past, they were given a crap sandwich and have done a potentially great job in filling the list with young players with upside and talent.

You are right in what you say about Gibbs. You are never going to replace him with those players.

However, we were never trying to too.

What we were trying to do is get more talent on our list that will still be on our list when Gibbs has long been retired.

So long term, its a gain because we have 'something' when we would've otherwise had nothing when Gibbs hung up his boots.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has missed the point of that trade regardless of their thoughts on Gibbs.

I remember when Pagan was coach posters here were saying that was the first time the club has done a full rebuild and embraced the draft.

He is a player that can have 43 touches, 8 Marks, 10 tackles and kick 2 goals in a game.

Yep
He does that every week

The reality is he's a 23 touch 5 mark, 4 tackle, 0.6 goal player...a good, average midfielder often critcicised for high disposal/ lack of impact.
Docherty was a much greater loss

I remember when Pagan was coach posters here were saying that was the first time the club has done a full rebuild and embraced the draft.

No doubt.    But "IF" you are rebuidling you don't pick him up and lose the Eddie Betts compensation pick we would have got.   IE:   Not a rebuild.