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Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #90 –
Quote from: Lods on
Weitering...stays back (Marchbank/ Weitering -CHB FB)
Jones...roving back /follower (he's too loose to play one on one but he does provide contest and effort)
Casboult forward...not to ruck...to be replaced by McKay or Kerr sooner rather than later.
Persist with Silvagni
If Kreuzer's not available Lobbe or Phillips must come in.

Bolton's honeymoon is over.
We got badly out-coached today. Bolts had got to own this and learn some lessons from it, as there was so little that was in any way acceptable.

The Match Committee is going to have to hard questions to answer as well. Even an underdone Phillips would have been more effective than Casboult and Jones were in the ruck today. Witts has developed into a decent ruckman, and he used his height and strength to give them an arm-chair ride in the middle, one we simply had o answer to.
Our team was not well balanced. We really need to do some thinking before Friday's game or we are going to be smashed.

The players also need to ask themselves some questions. No matter how ordinary the performance was off the field, the guys on-field have to take responsibility for how we played. Gold Coast wanted it more than we did. They appeared stronger and faster. We had a LOT more of the ball than Gold Coast did, yet we got no benefit from that.

Richmond, Sydney and Western Bulldogs over the last couple of years have shown a lot of what is required to be successful. Pressure. Fanatic pressure. We do not apply that sort of pressure. Until we do, we are not going to win games we should win.
Start with that. Design a side that runs and chases and tackles and smothers like they really mean it. No free and easy possessions to the opposition!
That was the biggest single issue of today, and it could be seen in the first half with Lynch. He didn't win any contests. He didn't have to. He had about 4 marks for the game. But he had 21 possessions and most of them were in the clear, as Jones was drawn to the play because they were running freely. The had the rub of the green from the umps (who missed some shockers). But if we are good enough, then poor umpiring will not matter.

There is no fate but what we make for ourselves! It is about time we believed that and decided to make that fate. it will not come just because we want it. It comes from within US!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #91 –
I have not felt this flat after a loss for a long time - the light at the end of the tunnel seems as dim as it has ever been.

They had a whole week to contemplate how to play without Kreuz and the best they can come up with is to replace him with a  177cm spud who cannot kick and doesn't think fast enough?

The game was lost from that moment - absolutely nothing forward to kick to (Charlie spent most of his time on the wing), so they started doing the sideways bulltish again, coughed it up time and time again, and handed over easy goals.

We had 17 more inside 50s and yet we were never in the game.

So, simple coaching - you take away the biggest marking option in the forward 50 to cover the ruck, you put something up forward to straighten the team up.

Without a doubt the most appalling selection call I have seen and I cannot wait to hear how they can justify it.

And let's be honest - time for some home truths

Dow - off the hook by virtue of inexperience - shows enough
Murph - gets the ball heaps but he's a butcher-and-a-half
SPS - tick
Simmo - love him to death, but he is never going to be your best HB playmaker, he doesn't have the skills - the goal he handed over just prior to half time was an absolute shocker
Cripps - can't be mid, forward and everything else in between - won't blame him if he starts looking for a team where he gets some real help
Lamb - seriously, how does this guy get a game?  Lamb goes well with spuds.....
Jones - needs to be not quite so expansive in his play - while we are full of turnover kings, he is left exposed unless he watches his man - got caught out 3 or 4 times today by butchers at half back
Mullett - couldn't get a game at the Kangas, just filling a spot
Plowman - regularly being asked to play above his weight.  Has become reactive - spoiled the ball at least twice today when he should have marked.
Garlett - let's put the excitement aside for a minute - to me, he looks timid out there.  He will probably do some flashy things, but consistency won't be his long suit
Marchbank - great mark, but can someone please teach him how to kick....?
Weitering - looks absolutely lost out there atm
O'Shea - Mullett mark II - really struggled with the pace today
Fisher - tick
Cuningham - not the worst, but goes missing and makes poor disposal decisions
Polson - see Lamb - he's the spud on the plate - you might forgive him due to inexperience, but unfortunately he's small, has poor disposal skills and makes poor decisions.  Would need a miracle to still be on the list in 2019. Will have a great career in the Amateurs.
C.Curnow - can we clone him?
E.Curnow - works his butt off but very average disposal - we probably need to keep him so we can keep Charlie happy
Byrne - like his dash but often doesn't have a plan in mind - if he doesn't know what he is going to do, what chance have his teammates got?
Thomas - probably doing the role he is capable of.  When you consider we virtually swapped him for Eddie, we have be significantly short-changed.  Thanks, Mick.
Casboult - totally out of position today.  Our rucks for the short, mid and long-term are a serious issue.
Wright - always tries his guts out - but he cannot play as a key forward.  Got murdered today because he had no help.

Another item of note - Nick Holman, who was not good enough for us, laid more tackles today than any Carlton player.

Well, am I being unfair? Or is it just another Saturday night after a miserable afternoon at Etihad....?


This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #92 –
Now that I've meditated for an hour, I'll comment on the game.  O0

The good
Garlett played with intensity and flair
Samo very composed and we'll positioned
Zac Attack gave another solid performance
Crippa still solid, kicked an important goal
Charlie had more good patches
Daisy level head

The bad
Team selection
The game plan and transition to plan B
Carlton without Kruez
Simmo decision making
Our good defence evaporated

The ugly
Our contested game
Our skills - dropped marks, missed targets, tackles not sticking
Our cohesion - total disorganization today

MY sympathy goes to those bluebaggers who attended today :'(



Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #93 –
Very simple really. Too many nuff nuff ex footy players making decisions they shouldn't.

Tall goes out? Tall comes in. Hello? Any lights on in there?

(but no, we'll play a very small kid who barely gets a kick in the 2s).

Cuners and Dow? well, there's another two men down.

Dow has excuses - learn the craft in the 2s.

Cuners - needs to learn cameos don't cut it....

(to think Kerridge has been deemed unworthy  :-[ )

We started with 19 guys, played like we had 15....

Finally< murphy? A leader he is not.

Team effort? Z
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #94 –
Quote from: LP on
So it's SOS then, his recruiters, list managers and the rest of the MC.
No?

It's not down to SOS.
We are missing an entire cohort of 100 game players, players like Isaac Smith taken the pick after Watson, Talia taken the pick after Lucas, and just about everyone taken after Bootsma.
Our second and third rounders in those years were also wipe outs, so we are sadly lacking in experienced players who have been at the club 6 or 8 years who can form the nucleus of a successful team while also covering our woeful lack of depth.
It can't be fixed in two or three years, as supporters we need to suck it up and cut Bolton some slack.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #95 –
Quote from: blue4life on
It's not down to SOS.
We are missing an entire cohort of 100 game players, players like Isaac Smith taken the pick after Watson, Talia taken the pick after Lucas, and just about everyone taken after Bootsma.
Our second and third rounders in those years were also wipe outs, so we are sadly lacking in experienced players who have been at the club 6 or 8 years who can form the nucleus of a successful team while also covering our woeful lack of depth.
It can't be fixed in two or three years, as supporters we need to suck it up and cut Bolton some slack.

Bolton can have some slack but if he tries to be too cute with team selection again he won't be getting cut slack for much longer.

The idea to drop Silvagni and move Casboult into the ruck without bringing in another tall forward sounds stupid enough yet this was the "plan".

Weitering has yet to prove his worth as a key forward,  and polson has yet to prove he can compete as a player at this level at all.

You could argue the same about Cunningham but he's shown enough to get a game. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #96 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Don't know why we can't get players like Lyons: cheap and effective.

Instead we chase discards from sh1t clubs and wonder why the likes of Mullet are so disappointing.

We could have had Lyons as part of the original Gibbs deal...neat player by foot.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #97 –
So, I'll ask the question/..

WTF Jacob Weitering? What's happening with you lad?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #98 –
Quote from: blue4life on
It's not down to SOS.
We are missing an entire cohort of 100 game players, players like Isaac Smith taken the pick after Watson, Talia taken the pick after Lucas, and just about everyone taken after Bootsma.
Our second and third rounders in those years were also wipe outs, so we are sadly lacking in experienced players who have been at the club 6 or 8 years who can form the nucleus of a successful team while also covering our woeful lack of depth.
It can't be fixed in two or three years, as supporters we need to suck it up and cut Bolton some slack.

It's an interesting point. The players from today around the 80-150 game mark :

Wright 139
Curnow 123
Jones 96
Cas 95
Mullet 86
O’Shea 81

Apart from Wright, the rest of those are simply ordinary footballers. And that for me is the far bigger problem.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #99 –
Quote from: blue4life on
It's not down to SOS.
We are missing an entire cohort of 100 game players, players like Isaac Smith taken the pick after Watson, Talia taken the pick after Lucas, and just about everyone taken after Bootsma.
Our second and third rounders in those years were also wipe outs, so we are sadly lacking in experienced players who have been at the club 6 or 8 years who can form the nucleus of a successful team while also covering our woeful lack of depth.
It can't be fixed in two or three years, as supporters we need to suck it up and cut Bolton some slack.

That’s what I saw today.  Our lack of depth is really exposed when we cop an injury and/or one of our better players has a quiet day.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #100 –
rubbish, it's not the players, it's what doesn't go in between the ears - collectively.

Today - collectively - we were so far off the required standard it wasn't funny.

Q1 especially.

WHY?
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #101 –
That was an epic cluster fck of a game.

Whoever was in charge of team selection wants to be let go immediately.

Half the team was played out of position, no ruck and the INs were awful.

Polson - way off AFL level. Cunningham had a shocker.

O'Shea wasn't great.

Gave that game up.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #102 –
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt today because they've shown to be alot better but they best be lifting next week and the week after that etc, to make this effort an aberration.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Post Game Prattle: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #103 –
Quote from: PaulP on
It's an interesting point. The players from today around the 80-150 game mark :

Wright 139
Curnow 123
Jones 96
Cas 95
Mullet 86
O’Shea 81

Apart from Wright, the rest of those are simply ordinary footballers. And that for me is the far bigger problem.

Ed Curnow earns his spot.