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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #300
I think Fisher will be picked this week...Collingwood rotate so many through the middle I think Voss will want an army of mids to do the same and try and have some fresh legs in the last quarter.
Dont see Honey being picked but I reckon they will go with Martin hoping he can give us a quarter or two and hit the scoreboard.
He can go ok first up from a spell when his calves have had no work and are rested and its getting to desperation territory now and the Pies are ready to drop a game and might take us and Martin lightly so I can see the MC taking the punt.

Martin? Against Coll? I'd rather Honey at that's saying something, at least he won't get injured. Martin is cooked I'm afraid.
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2018-Wooden Spoon
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2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #301
Tend to agree...dropping Harry is just going to heap more pressure on Charlie. I like the two tall forwards together and they are our ace in the pack. Its not like TDK has kicked a bag, Jack is kicking the ball about as reliably as Harry and that leaves Owies and Charlie to kick us a score as our mids give us nothing either.
Ours twos got knocked over by high school kids so I dont see any standout replacements for Harry from that lot...Im happy to play TDK this week and mix and match depending on how we are going and have some options but dropping Harry has a flow on effect that leaves us less potent and its odd we would do that in a game where the oppositions most glaring and only weakness is lack of size down back. We can win this game providing we dont do the old Carlton trick of picking the wrong team and beating ourselves...
Harry should be dropped for the miss againstthe saints, but this time talking about mix and matching the selectionand trying to help him get his form back
Harry has also kicked some amazing deep pocket goals, for whatever reason, confidence, injury, he's off the boil, but that doesn't mean he isn't contributing.

For me, no Harry means Charlie always gets the top KPD, that isn't the case at the moment, because they rotate through the positions. It's a bit of fan naivety to think you can remove Harry and have no impact on Charlie.

I can't take it seriously, fans want someone to blame and they come up with the obvious because of it's appearance, but Charlie and SoJ have also missed pudding shots with conventional drop punts from 25m almost directly in front.

It's not dropping him.

Not everyone who goes out of the senior team does so because it's better for the team.  A week in the two's is in HIS best interest.  Take the pressure off, kick some sodas, score some goals,  win a game.

We dropped fisher.  We've been a much worse side without him.  Fans got their wish about plowman too.  That hasn't really been a win either. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #302
Are we talking about the ruck division here ??
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #303
Martin? Against Coll? I'd rather Honey at that's saying something, at least he won't get injured. Martin is cooked I'm afraid.
Desperation might make selectors take the chance with Martin imho..

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #304
Desperation might make selectors take the chance with Martin imho..

Agree. The cupboard is quite bare at the moment.  Just looking at the Collingwood small forwards compared with what we have available is frightening.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #305
Are we talking about the ruck division here ??
Yes, because dropping Harry means someone has to cover F50 ruck contests, so if we drop Harry does that mean TDK comes in?

Or if we drop SoJ and keep Harry does that mean TDK comes in?

If we drop Harry or SoJ and do not bring in a ruck, do we want Charlie contesting F50 ruck stoppages?

Changes have Consequences, fans should think a little deeper before they shoot their mouth off!
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #306
Imagine we had a tall young athletic 3rd forward to really give the dogs something to think about?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #307
Playing TdK in different roles is something we must explore.
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #308
Look, I get it, we are a bit unsure of whats happening and dropping a key forward wont help or what not, but have a look at how we lined up for what I fondly remember as the best days at the footy I have had in a very long time and this was against a side that played in the big dance last year.


Carlton 15.12.105 vs Sydney 13.9 87.

You know who didnt play?  Harry McKay.  You know who else was a notable absentee?  Marc Pittonet.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2022/031620220520.html

We were playing well enough to beat anyone at that stage, and often did with half a side of injuries. Give Harry a run in the ruck. Running around the ground, doing what he likes will help his confidence.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #309
Aside from the West Coast game what we're doing just isn't working at the moment.
The forward line is dysfunctional and actually an asset to the opposition.
We need to do something different.
Maybe even something radical and unexpected
 e.g Swap Harry and Young,
Harry's brother, who looks like being a Carlton player next year, goes alright at CHB. Identical twins do have the same genes so you never if Harry goes back there for a game or two.

Remember how much it did for Levi playing CHB for a season.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #310
We were playing well enough to beat anyone at that stage, and often did with half a side of injuries. Give Harry a run in the ruck. Running around the ground, doing what he likes will help his confidence.

Thing is this is something he is already half doing.  Against the bulldogs he got 10 marks, 2 of them were inside 50.  He is doing the around the ground marking for a ruck.

What I am trying to attempt is a bit of shock factor.  Harry out, might jag us a win where an opponent isnt expecting it.

TDK vs Pittonet means that we will change the centre contests enough to unsettle opposition who are expecting us to do one thing.  TDK also is more proficient as a forward than Pitto, and will likely be a harder match up around the ground.

The side effect is that Harry gets to go practise his set shock kicking in the VFL where he might learn a bit more about it in a game situation than simply watching his form suffer more and more, and our whole side to go with it.  It also sends a message that the VFL is a place our players can work on their form, and skills and then carry it back into the AFL.

The collingwood magic elixir isnt magic.  They use the VFL as a proving ground and the result is that players do their utmost to get into the ones and stay there.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #311
Fans are too focussed on the Harry, SoJ, Cripps or Charlie missed set shots, that focus creates a smokescreen for the incredibly poor ball use that is happening further up the field. A big part of the poor goal kicking is the repeated leads that players get burned on, too many wasted efforts means wobbly legs and racing heartbeats, which is not conducive to accurate kicking, then a miss adds further wasted effort. A very nasty feedback loop.

Wasted efforts are wasted energy, and that also plays out at the end of the game when we've had a big chunk of the play for little return and have nothing left to give.
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #312
We have had 16 wins under Voss. TDK has played in 14 of them.

He missed the West Coast game this year and the Port game early last year.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #313
We have had 16 wins under Voss. TDK has played in 14 of them.

He missed the West Coast game this year and the Port game early last year.
When TDK is up and about the kid adds run, it's something we desperately lack.
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #314
Might depend a bit this week if Pies name Cameron. Otherwise for them it's Cox and Johnson as backup. Young probably needed down back when Cox rests so TDK might not be needed. But I'd be tempted to play him this week as another forward option.

From memory in this same game last year, McKay was already out injured and Charlie kicked 5 and gave Moore the runaround. I think Pies are still missing Frampton as well so we could stretch them this week.