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I like how you selectively edited out all the parts you don't have an answer for.

My only issue with Silvagni rucking is often he is monstered and he is too slow to be that extra midfielder.

If English taps the ball directly to Bailey Smith but the bigger Cripps bodies him out of the way and takes possession that would be Cripps who changed the status of that hit out.

If English taps the ball directly to Bailey Smith but the bigger Cripps bodies him out of the way and takes possession that would be Cripps who changed the status of that hit out.

You need to have enough time to dispose of the ball and essentially not get pinned for holding the ball if you are tackled.

I don't feel I need to respond to things that are obviously either wrong, trivial, out of context, rock throwing or otherwise spurious.

And within the context of your inferences, the problem isn't the stat and never was the stat, the problem is that any stat that is so open to arbitrary interpretation like HtA is next to useless, pretty much any meaning can be asserted from a chosen or preferred perspective. For example, claiming that Young and SoJ being flogged by opposition rucks is somehow a better outcome than having a competitive or winning duo like Pitto and TDK!

A flogging is a flogging, no matter what arbitrary numbers you want to give to it!

The glitter of HtA is not gold, it's fools gold!

So HtA is down to and dependant on the Mids being able to make themselves enough clear space to win possession and dispose of the ball, but it's a ruck stat!



Hmmmmmm, are you really supposed to be on my side of the debate?

You went too soon. Look at the next post. Explain that if its about the mids.

No matter how hard you try, your Freudian slip exposed the conflict between what you really believe and what you spin! That's your subconscious trying to escape the smoke, you can try to bury it in a mound of gibberish, but you can't ever take it back.

Feel free to keep painting your turd gold and presenting it from a thousand different angles, but it's still a turd!

If it was directly to Bailey Smith and Cripps was close enough to get the ball before he got to him, then it would never have been a hitout to advantage to begin with. You need to have enough time to dispose of the ball and essentially not get pinned for holding the ball if you are tackled.

This is a common misconception which is why people (like LP) cannot get their head around. It is not enough getting it directly to a player, they need to have enough time to dispose of it successfully as well.

I suggest that you re-visit the official definition of hitout to advantage. 

In that scenario, English would be credited with a hitout to advantage, Smith would be credited with a first possession and Cripps would get the clearance.

Incidentally, if Cripps handpassed to Walsh, Walsh handpassed to Kennedy and Kennedy kicked the ball directly to Caleb Daniel, Cripps would be credited with the clearance.