Melbourne are sitting pretty at the top of the ladder, and we are not.
Petracca copped a big corkie just as the siren went against Sydney, and was limping noticeably post match. From my corkie experience, he would be in some doubt, and not at 100% even if he does get through. Wouldn't be surprised if he is 'managed' for next week.
I think we can beat Melbourne, more on the law of averages, they are due for a loss and just fell in for a win vs the Swans IMO.
Brown and McDonald wont present the same problems as Bruce and Naughton plus Oliver is only half the player the Bont is and Cripps owes us a big one. Blues by 16 points, not because we are great but more because Melbourne are getting ahead of themselves, due for a loss and we can defend them better IMO.
I think we can beat Melbourne, more on the law of averages, they are due for a loss and just fell in for a win vs the Swans IMO.
Brown and McDonald wont present the same problems as Bruce and Naughton plus Oliver is only half the player the Bont is and Cripps owes us a big one. Blues by 16 points, not because we are great but more because Melbourne are getting ahead of themselves, due for a loss and we can defend them better IMO.
We play better at the G too
I think we can beat Melbourne, more on the law of averages, they are due for a loss and just fell in for a win vs the Swans IMO.
Brown and McDonald wont present the same problems as Bruce and Naughton plus Oliver is only half the player the Bont is and Cripps owes us a big one. Blues by 16 points, not because we are great but more because Melbourne are getting ahead of themselves, due for a loss and we can defend them better IMO.
Sometimes you look at the ladder, and you just think to yourself, that its better for the competition if we get up next week. Brings Melbourne back to the field, and also puts us back into the mid pack.
I think you will see some favourable decisions next week, and if it happens ear mark this post, and remember we are playing in a very, very contrived entertainment industry.
Sometimes you look at the ladder, and you just think to yourself, that its better for the competition if we get up next week. Brings Melbourne back to the field, and also puts us back into the mid pack.
I think you will see some favourable decisions next week, and if it happens ear mark this post, and remember we are playing in a very, very contrived entertainment industry.
Agree with that, its also about timing and opportunity too, Dees might think they can rest a player or two, play some fringe types to check them out and get away with it. Petracca copped a knock late and they might rest him, just a few things like that fall your way and you sneak a win.
I think we can beat Melbourne, more on the law of averages, they are due for a loss and just fell in for a win vs the Swans IMO.
Brown and McDonald wont present the same problems as Bruce and Naughton plus Oliver is only half the player the Bont is and Cripps owes us a big one. Blues by 16 points, not because we are great but more because Melbourne are getting ahead of themselves, due for a loss and we can defend them better IMO.
Not a chance in hell. Gawn will rip pit a new one so our undermanned midfield will be smashed again.
Plus when it does go forward May and lever will be a much harder proposition then the dogs defence.
Then on top of that in the box they now have Choco who would have been perfect for us I will add and he has given them the hard ruthless edge. All while we just keep with the same tried and failed group of
of assistants! Fking joke.
Dees comfortably and we will slump to 3-6. Wish I could be more positive but another failed year coming.
Watched both teams this week and imho Melb will romp home.
Big test for our F50, May and Lever are in serious form.
The Dees F50 has a lot of weapons, not sure we have the structure to deal with that if they get hold of us in the midfield. Oliver usually has a day out against us.
Tough weekend ahead, not sure it means much to lose to these sides. The best we can expect is similar to last weekend, show we can go with them for a period of time at least just proves you have cattle who are capable.
Big test for our F50, May and Lever are in serious form.
The Dees F50 has a lot of weapons, not sure we have the structure to deal with that if they get hold of us in the midfield. Oliver usually has a day out against us.
Tough weekend ahead, not sure it means much to lose to these sides. The best we can expect is similar to last weekend, show we can go with them for a period of time at least just proves you have cattle who are capable.
I think this plays into our hands a little more actually.
We need to lower our eyes and hit better targets, which means that a stronger opposition defense will either force us to kick it differently, or we'll spend all day hitting them up.
We have had some competitive losses so we are probably due to get flogged.
Had a chuckle at the coaches comment about getting flogged in the middle in the last Q.
Then two mins later when he was quizzed re changes he said that we have plenty of ON BALLERS pushing for selection....
That means the changes this week will be drop young players who don’t play through the middle (stocker,cottrell,newnes) and bring in proven non ON BALLERS such as Murphy and LOB...
MY 5 cents re selection. Why not we are better off playing for the second half of the season...
Outs Williams (managed) Cripps (managed). JSOS (concussion), The Bolt (time is up), Gibbons (struggling)
Ins. TDK, Newman, Dow, Kennedy, Honey and Durdin
AND ANYONE WHO IS OVER 6 ft 2......
None of this will happen, I’m dreaming. Can’t wait till Martin, Fish, Kemp and Charlie are all available.
Both the Doggies and Melbourne have been on a constant path for several years. They got to where they are now by sticking fat and not panicking, putting the pieces of the puzzle together bit by bit. Look at their ladder positions compared to ours, look at their lists compared to ours. They've moved up the ladder, dipped, stagnated, but never deviated.
I'm sorry to say it, but the constant upheavals for us just keeping moving the target further away. It's been one step forwards, two steps back for 20 years.
Same as what I said last week, bring our best for 4 qtrs and we are a chance. We played the second best, this week we play the best, this is what its all about.
I'd like to see a bit of speed added, one or two of Honey, Dow, LOB for Gibbo and Williams (to be "rested" to let him heal from these debilitating "injuries" he has). Maybe he can even heal them in the 2's.
TDK for Levi
Bam Bam for Jack
Let's face it, we know our list is simply not good enough to get us into the eight.
By failing to accept that reality the Club risks further injuring players. We need to rest the likes of Cripps and Williams until they are fit to play, whether in a few weeks time or later in the season.
In the meantime let's sort out who in the seconds is worthy of staying on the list by giving game time to the likes of Dow, Honey, Setterfield, etc.
Several Carlton supporters I have spoken to since the loss to the dogs are ready to give up on Carlton if we continue playing just three quarters of football. They have simply had a gut full of broken promises, and going by social media that view is widespread.
We have had twenty years of little green shoots which have been cut down by demoralising losses. If it continues, membership and general support for the Club must suffer.
Both the Doggies and Melbourne have been on a constant path for several years.
Constant path? They've both been on a roller coaster ride recently, specifically Melbourne.
But Macca - Liddle said the "time for development is over" !?!
Constant path? They've both been on a roller coaster ride recently, specifically Melbourne.
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....
Petraccas dominance in the midfield means their defence doesn't have to work as hard.
If Cripps did was Cripps used to do, we'd be much better in defence too.
Agree on the Dees,they have May and Lever now fit and firing, Tomlinson was also in great from before being injured, did I hear right on the TV they are the No 1 defense in the comp?
Petracca has also gone to the next level and is now an A grader....
Not sold on them though and IMO they are impostors at the top of the ladder.....
Obviously until they win a flag they are just pretenders. What happens if they win the flag? Will your opinion change? They zone as well as any side does, covering the opposition moves forward or on a rebound. They leave minimal opportunities to have players float forward free in space. They tackle with intensity. They apply pressure with numbers. They make every opportunity for their opponents become a contested possession. Due to the fact that they have a huge work rate. Not lazy. Not left second guessing. The only weak link in their armour is the clearance figures. Which at the moment doesn’t hurt them. They find a way to put on the press and create a turnover and get the ball on their terms eventually. If we played like they do. If we were 8 wins from 8 games. We would be bragging about being flag favourites. Fact is that we are so far behind them, that we are not even in the same league as they are. It will take a miracle for us to even show a competitive contest against the Dees. Which won’t last long enough if it does happen. The end result will be ugly on the scoreboard.
We lack awareness under pressure. We lose our direct opponent too often when the heat is on. We zone space very poorly. We don’t stay accountable for what out opponent is doing or where he is running. We don’t run hard both ways. We don’t stand on the mark in a free kick. We float away and let them play on which allows them to gain ground and put pressure on our players up the ground. We finger point and blame others for our own mistakes. We do spoil and the one percentage plays, but not often enough. Not for 4 quarters.
The Dees coach summed up their last game. They lack some polish with clearance work. However, if they have the grit and determination to win every contest, they will eventually create a turnover and play the next passage on their terms. They are confident they can and will win every game, and thus play accordingly. In my eyes they only have one lazy player. One that I have seen so far. What a problem they have at the moment. Can we swap players lists, coaches, board etc? lol. Good luck to us. We could win this one by 100 points. Haha haha.
Hi Guys.
Just went to the AFL site to book my tickets for Sundays game and there is no button to get tickets. I then went to the Ticketek site and the only games that are available are for Hawthorn and West Coast.
Have the tickets already gone on sale and been exhausted?
This can not be true as I do not think that there will be more than 40,000 there on Sunday as the MCG and the capacity is 85,000 ATM.
Could someone please clarify. >:( >:(
Hi Guys.
Just went to the AFL site to book my tickets for Sundays game and there is no button to get tickets. I then went to the Ticketek site and the only games that are available are for Hawthorn and West Coast.
Have the tickets already gone on sale and been exhausted?
This can not be true as I do not think that there will be more than 40,000 there on Sunday as the MCG and the capacity is 85,000 ATM.
Could someone please clarify. >:( >:(
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/933523/securing-your-seat-rounds-9-and-10
This may have the information you're after.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/933523/securing-your-seat-rounds-9-and-10
This may have the information you're after.
Thanks PP got them. Not sure why you cannot just go through the Ticketek website which is where it took me to get the tickets. ::) ::)
Thanks PP got them. Not sure why you cannot just go through the Ticketek website which is where it took me to get the tickets. ::) ::)
👍
Enjoy the game - hopefully the boys give you something to cheer about.
Not a chance in getting close to this mob if Pit is our ruckman against Gawn. We will get absolutely slaughtered. End of story.
TDK has to come in even if he is not fully match fit. Pit has no clue at all as to how to tap the ball to a bloke wearing a blue jumper. No clue at all. We were smashed -16 centre clearances against a 2 game ruckman - can you imagine what the best ruckman in the comp will do to our bloke. Game over.
Not a chance in getting close to this mob if Pit is our ruckman against Gawn. We will get absolutely slaughtered. End of story.
TDK has to come in even if he is not fully match fit. Pit has no clue at all as to how to tap the ball to a bloke wearing a blue jumper. No clue at all. We were smashed -16 centre clearances against a 2 game ruckman - can you imagine what the best ruckman in the comp will do to our bloke. Game over.
Ffs, there are 3 other blokes wearing navy blue in the centre and it's pretty clear to most that our midfield failed to turn up. I've already proven that pittonet was better than his opponent (the opposite of what you suggested....2 weeks in a row...but no comment on that i see) and now you take aim at him again.
Get a clue.
The reason the dogs dominated the midfield was because....
a) their midfield is better than ours
b) their midfield turned up
c) despite getting our hand on the ball first and despite getting it to our advantage more than the opposition our midfielder stunk it up, not because of our ruck.
You wanna take aim at some players....look at cripps and Williams. Co.pare their numbers against the opposition.
BTW, last year pittonet vs gawn....
Pittonet had the same hit outs to advantage as gawn did. Less overall hitouts. So he had a higher conversion rate of hitouts to advantage.
Actually had a slightly higher ruck contest to advantage rate too.
(That means he was more likely to win a ruck duel to advantage than gawn was.)
So keep posting your hate and mistruths.
I'll keep posting stats.
Fwiw....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5066.0
We haven't been able to get across this mob when they weren't playing this good, so it's hard to see us knocking them off on this instance. Still, without a hope in hell chance in the past we've performed better. Maybe this is one of those occasions.
Obviously until they win a flag they are just pretenders. What happens if they win the flag? Will your opinion change? They zone as well as any side does, covering the opposition moves forward or on a rebound. They leave minimal opportunities to have players float forward free in space. They tackle with intensity. They apply pressure with numbers. They make every opportunity for their opponents become a contested possession. Due to the fact that they have a huge work rate. Not lazy. Not left second guessing. The only weak link in their armour is the clearance figures. Which at the moment doesn’t hurt them. They find a way to put on the press and create a turnover and get the ball on their terms eventually. If we played like they do. If we were 8 wins from 8 games. We would be bragging about being flag favourites. Fact is that we are so far behind them, that we are not even in the same league as they are. It will take a miracle for us to even show a competitive contest against the Dees. Which won’t last long enough if it does happen. The end result will be ugly on the scoreboard.
We lack awareness under pressure. We lose our direct opponent too often when the heat is on. We zone space very poorly. We don’t stay accountable for what out opponent is doing or where he is running. We don’t run hard both ways. We don’t stand on the mark in a free kick. We float away and let them play on which allows them to gain ground and put pressure on our players up the ground. We finger point and blame others for our own mistakes. We do spoil and the one percentage plays, but not often enough. Not for 4 quarters.
The Dees coach summed up their last game. They lack some polish with clearance work. However, if they have the grit and determination to win every contest, they will eventually create a turnover and play the next passage on their terms. They are confident they can and will win every game, and thus play accordingly. In my eyes they only have one lazy player. One that I have seen so far. What a problem they have at the moment. Can we swap players lists, coaches, board etc? lol. Good luck to us. We could win this one by 100 points. Haha haha.
Melbourne are up one year, down the next and like a Queensland theme park roller coaster liable to come off the rails completely
at anytime. You look at last years game and they beat us by one point and a rookie Sam Walsh had the opportunity to hit Harry up but couldnt nail the pass and we could have stolen the game.
Dont expect to win by 100 points but if we can repeat last years effort we can win...Dees are unproven over the journey and while they could surprise like the Dogs in 2016 I wouldnt be back them in as sure things just yet...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pV9i2VGgw
Ffs, there are 3 other blokes wearing navy blue in the centre and it's pretty clear to most that our midfield failed to turn up. I've already proven that pittonet was better than his opponent (the opposite of what you suggested....2 weeks in a row...but no comment on that i see) and now you take aim at him again.
Get a clue.
The reason the dogs dominated the midfield was because....
a) their midfield is better than ours
b) their midfield turned up
c) despite getting our hand on the ball first and despite getting it to our advantage more than the opposition our midfielder stunk it up, not because of our ruck.
You wanna take aim at some players....look at cripps and Williams. Co.pare their numbers against the opposition.
BTW, last year pittonet vs gawn....
Pittonet had the same hit outs to advantage as gawn did. Less overall hitouts. So he had a higher conversion rate of hitouts to advantage.
Actually had a slightly higher ruck contest to advantage rate too.
(That means he was more likely to win a ruck duel to advantage than gawn was.)
So keep posting your hate and mistruths.
I'll keep posting stats.
Fwiw....
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5066.0
More dribble trying to defend another one of your love child. You do exactly the same if anyone dares to be negative on Plowman as well. Its a forum so accept others to have a different view to you and you don't ALWAYS have to reply trying every available angle to prove your right and they are wrong.
Pit is an below standard tap ruckmen IMO and while we get smashed in the midfield every week for a host of reasons, the last 2 weeks was the best possible chance to at least give our mids a small advantage by tapping the Fking ball to them more then the opposition get it at centre bounces yet we still lose the centre clearances -16.
The media, all Carlton podcasts, 99% of supporters can all see it, except you and that's fine its your opinion but don't waste your time with your cheery picked stats to convince me otherwise. Thankfully TDK is ready and coming in so this discussion will no longer be valid.
More dribble trying to defend another one of your love child. You do exactly the same if anyone dares to be negative on Plowman as well. Its a forum so accept others to have a different view to you and you don't ALWAYS have to reply trying every available angle to prove your right and they are wrong.
So you use me defending Plowman as 'proof' that i'm wrong.
Top 5 results in the B+F says i'm more right than you.
But sure, have your opinion....don't get snippy if i provide stats that prove your opinion.......likely to be incorrect. ;)
Pit is an below standard tap ruckmen IMO
....and your opinion is wrong.
AFL stats literally rated him as an elite tap ruckman in 2020. He is listed as an 'above average' tap ruckman this year. There is no personal opinion, preferance, spin or otherwise. Simple facts available on the AFL website.
and while we get smashed in the midfield every week for a host of reasons, the last 2 weeks was the best possible chance to at least give our mids a small advantage by tapping the Fking ball to them more then the opposition get it at centre bounces yet we still lose the centre clearances -16.
You clearly don't understand stats, because we clearly hit to our mids more than they hit to theirs.....yet still lose clearances.
Despite losing clearances, Pittonet himself managed 7 clearances, doing better than any of our other mids.
"If i tap it to you and you can't get a clearance, i may as well do it myself!"
The media, all Carlton podcasts, 99% of supporters can all see it, except you and that's fine its your opinion but don't waste your time with your cheery picked stats to convince me otherwise. Thankfully TDK is ready and coming in so this discussion will no longer be valid.
Cherry picked stats?? They are the ruck stats. There is no cherry picking!
Its like you saying Casboult is a good shot at goal and i provide you goal kicking stats that show otherwise, then you accuse me of cherry picking stats.
Just face it, you don't like Pittonet and don't rate what he is doing and expect more. So be it. But what is he doing is well above his pay grade and has outperformed his younger opponent 2 weeks running despite what you suggested.
I've got nothing against TDK coming up.
I will predict that his hitout to advantage stats won't rival Pittonets though. ;)
Hope we don't choke again. I'm thinking we choked last week. Been an issue over 2 years in the big games. Last year a big lead against Geelong, where we thankfully held on, Collingwood and GWS, where we badly blew 3 qtr time leads in games where wins would likely have nailed a finals spot. Then last Sunday blowing a 27pt lead near 3 qtr time. You make dumb errors, as we saw, and look like a deer in headlights when you choke.
So you use me defending Plowman as 'proof' that i'm wrong.
Top 5 results in the B+F says i'm more right than you.
But sure, have your opinion....don't get snippy if i provide stats that prove your opinion.......likely to be incorrect. ;)
....and your opinion is wrong.
AFL stats literally rated him as an elite tap ruckman in 2020. He is listed as an 'above average' tap ruckman this year. There is no personal opinion, preferance, spin or otherwise. Simple facts available on the AFL website.
You clearly don't understand stats, because we clearly hit to our mids more than they hit to theirs.....yet still lose clearances.
Despite losing clearances, Pittonet himself managed 7 clearances, doing better than any of our other mids.
"If i tap it to you and you can't get a clearance, i may as well do it myself!"
Cherry picked stats?? They are the ruck stats. There is no cherry picking!
Its like you saying Casboult is a good shot at goal and i provide you goal kicking stats that show otherwise, then you accuse me of cherry picking stats.
Just face it, you don't like Pittonet and don't rate what he is doing and expect more. So be it. But what is he doing is well above his pay grade and has outperformed his younger opponent 2 weeks running despite what you suggested.
I've got nothing against TDK coming up.
I will predict that his hitout to advantage stats won't rival Pittonets though. ;)
And there you go again. More endless dribble. Blah blah blah
Give it up mate no ones listening.
I am thinking we’ll be lucky to stay within 10 goals of this own - gona be a dark day for bluebaggers me thinks
And there you go again. More endless dribble. Blah blah blah
Give it up mate no ones listening.
I give you stats and you give me
drivel.
You are not a climate change denier by any chance?
I'll miss it. I'm on Kangaroo Island.
My job this week is not to look up the live ladder when 27pts up so see how close we were to the 8 (about 2 goals. That would have made for a different conversation...lol). Dogs kicked 8 straight after that. So this week, no checking the live ladder...haha.
I'll miss it. I'm on Kangaroo Island.
My job this week is not to look up the live ladder when 27pts up so see how close we were to the 8 (about 2 goals. That would have made for a different conversation...lol). Dogs kicked 8 straight after that. So this week, no checking the live ladder...haha.
Ahh Good, I can blame you for last weeks loss, makes a change from blaming the umpires every week!
we need to hit our targets going forward NO BOMBING,change our game plan for once.Think how syd beat tigers .
we need to hit our targets going forward NO BOMBING,change our game plan for once.Think how syd beat tigers .
That would require some line coaches who have even half a clue. Its becoming common knowledge that the assistant coaching panel will not look the same next year.
Why wait until next year?
Luke Jackson out, broken finger.
Luke Jackson out, broken finger.
Handy out, things just starting to fall into place for an upset like I said...🤐
posted on the old post game thread v Dogs...god we miss Simmo
could have got him easy for another year cheap and durable.....saving goals on the line directing traffic and going in fearlessly for marks in the hole v big fwds
Newman meant to be the replacement big shoes to fill
Simpson was brave, but we were giving up runs of goals throughout 2019 and 2020, when he was still playing. I doubt he would make much difference to our current predicament.
he was the g
General directing traffic and filling in when needed... I disagree .....would have been barking hard at our loose kick chasing HB's inc the Doc,Willo and even Saad for not manning up
Look what Hodge did for Lions for 2 years...that role needs a 250 game plus wise head back there...we had one and retired him off too early
he was the g
General directing traffic and filling in when needed... I disagree .....would have been barking hard at our loose kick chasing HB's inc the Doc,Willo and even Saad for not manning up
Look what Hodge did for Lions for 2 years...that role needs a 250 game plus wise head back there...we had one and retired him off too early
I'm not quite sure I'd be equating Simpson with Hodge, on any level. This point is of minor consequence, and barely worth worrying about. You are more than welcome to your opinion.
thx for letting me have my opinion....glad you are enjoying the way our defensive structures are working currently
Any suggestions on how we stop 5-8 goal run ons v us....?. its not just out of the middle...
Look forward to your suggestions
thx for letting me have my opinion....glad you are enjoying the way our defensive structures are working currently
Any suggestions on how we stop 5-8 goal run ons v us....?. its not just out of the middle...
Look forward to your suggestions
You may have noticed these run ons happening when Simpson was playing. If you think bringing him back is the answer, I don't know what to tell you.
I’m fast losing faith in Teague’s assessment of the side and with that Teague as a coach. His statement that we are a flexible team could not be further from the truth, and that starts with Cripps, he is a clearance player only, sure he may be big (not that he is currently playing like it) but his one touch pickups are gone, his vision to get the ball to our advantage by hand has also let him. Instead he wants to burst away from a pack all himself and be the hero. Compare that to Pendulbury or Bont and both are happy to give a little handball if it gets their other players into space.
Cripps is a one dimensional cut out of his former self, and with the game speeding up thanks to a few rule changes over the last couple of seasons, is not going to get any better. In fact if you look at the game against the Dogs, to win the ruck hit outs and to then have a C grade ruck in Pitto win the clearances just shows how far Cripps has sunk. It’s with this in mind that I think if he wants to go at the end of the season via free agency, provided we get a first rounder back for him, then let him go.
While many will howl at the idea, it will go a long way to fix our team. We have two players who attend most centre bounces that struggle to play any where else, Cripps and Ed. Ed is limited but does a great job negating the best clearance player on the other side, while getting the ball himself, not that it’s a great possession most of the time. That leaves one spot vacant which Walsh is the logical choice, because of his level of play this year. So where do we fit Cunningham, Dow, SPS, Setterfield, Stocker, Williams, Fogarty etc? At the moment they are sent to a flank pocket or wing and given 5 minutes a game in the middle, leaving us with the question, why aren’t our young players better. The answer is because of the one dimensional play of Cripps and Curnow.
Obviously Cripps is not going to be dropped or put on a flank, but his time should be diminished in the middle and he put in the goal square for 10 minutes a quarter. Ed needs to be able to tag of a flank or wing, but very rarely should we use both in the middle at the same time.
If Cripps is in use a combination of two faster players like a Walsh Dow Cunningham, if Ed is in then look at a Stocker Setterfield to win the ball inside and move it forward. If neither then that’s when SPS and Fogarty or even Gibbons get a look in.
Down back we are pretty good, however this needs a change too, Williams has been a non event in the middle and should be moved to the HBF to regain form and confidence, Doc I would move to the wing and drop Newnes who is a real list clogger. 12-15 touches a game equals a seconds player who gets a game for injury or bad form of another player. I would also want to see Newnam in as soon as possible, which would mean moving Stocker to the bench.
Up forward we have seen how ineffective Fisher has been when compared to Owies who over the last 2 games has given us 5 goals plus pressure and the biggest thing I saw was Owies rushing a point last weekend, he wasn’t playing on ball, so to be to see him on the last line of defence means he must of followed his opponent into out backline, something that Murphy, Fisher, Gibbons just doesn’t do. Owies should not be dropped for the foreseeable future. That being said, we have no spot for Fisher, he is a forward by circumstance not by choice and to me is tradeable, because he will not get a spot in out midfield. Murphy should be an injury sub on or two times this season, just to get his tally closer to 300 without getting him on the field.
So a team I’d like to see this week;
FB Plowman Jones Newnam
HB Williams Weitering Saad
C E.Curnow Cripps Docherty
R Pittonet Walsh Dow
HF Fogarty deKoning Cunningham
FF Betts McKay Owies
I Parks, Stocker, SPS, Cottrell
IS Murphy
E Setterfield, Newnes, Williamson
I’m fast losing faith in Teague’s assessment of the side and with that Teague as a coach. His statement that we are a flexible team could not be further from the truth, and that starts with Cripps, he is a clearance player only, sure he may be big (not that he is currently playing like it) but his one touch pickups are gone, his vision to get the ball to our advantage by hand has also let him. Instead he wants to burst away from a pack all himself and be the hero. Compare that to Pendulbury or Bont and both are happy to give a little handball if it gets their other players into space.
Cripps is a one dimensional cut out of his former self, and with the game speeding up thanks to a few rule changes over the last couple of seasons, is not going to get any better. In fact if you look at the game against the Dogs, to win the ruck hit outs and to then have a C grade ruck in Pitto win the clearances just shows how far Cripps has sunk. It’s with this in mind that I think if he wants to go at the end of the season via free agency, provided we get a first rounder back for him, then let him go.
While many will howl at the idea, it will go a long way to fix our team. We have two players who attend most centre bounces that struggle to play any where else, Cripps and Ed. Ed is limited but does a great job negating the best clearance player on the other side, while getting the ball himself, not that it’s a great possession most of the time. That leaves one spot vacant which Walsh is the logical choice, because of his level of play this year. So where do we fit Cunningham, Dow, SPS, Setterfield, Stocker, Williams, Fogarty etc? At the moment they are sent to a flank pocket or wing and given 5 minutes a game in the middle, leaving us with the question, why aren’t our young players better. The answer is because of the one dimensional play of Cripps and Curnow.
Obviously Cripps is not going to be dropped or put on a flank, but his time should be diminished in the middle and he put in the goal square for 10 minutes a quarter. Ed needs to be able to tag of a flank or wing, but very rarely should we use both in the middle at the same time.
If Cripps is in use a combination of two faster players like a Walsh Dow Cunningham, if Ed is in then look at a Stocker Setterfield to win the ball inside and move it forward. If neither then that’s when SPS and Fogarty or even Gibbons get a look in.
Down back we are pretty good, however this needs a change too, Williams has been a non event in the middle and should be moved to the HBF to regain form and confidence, Doc I would move to the wing and drop Newnes who is a real list clogger. 12-15 touches a game equals a seconds player who gets a game for injury or bad form of another player. I would also want to see Newnam in as soon as possible, which would mean moving Stocker to the bench.
Up forward we have seen how ineffective Fisher has been when compared to Owies who over the last 2 games has given us 5 goals plus pressure and the biggest thing I saw was Owies rushing a point last weekend, he wasn’t playing on ball, so to be to see him on the last line of defence means he must of followed his opponent into out backline, something that Murphy, Fisher, Gibbons just doesn’t do. Owies should not be dropped for the foreseeable future. That being said, we have no spot for Fisher, he is a forward by circumstance not by choice and to me is tradeable, because he will not get a spot in out midfield. Murphy should be an injury sub on or two times this season, just to get his tally closer to 300 without getting him on the field.
So a team I’d like to see this week;
FB Plowman Jones Newnam
HB Williams Weitering Saad
C E.Curnow Cripps Docherty
R Pittonet Walsh Dow
HF Fogarty deKoning Cunningham
FF Betts McKay Owies
I Parks, Stocker, SPS, Cottrell
IS Murphy
E Setterfield, Newnes, Williamson
I'd like to leave Cripps out for this reason. 3 others playing with injuries according to an insider on FB.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-skipper-cripps-has-been-playing-with-back-fracture-20210512-p57rd9.html
Wayne Campbell has said Williams isn't an endurance player and if he plays midfield has to play as a burst player.
Mentioned his achillies again and said he would play him half back.
Iaj, I just read your link and read on the Cripps injury. Not being a medical professional leaves me with little to add from an expert opinion. However, does it need appear strange to play a player with a fracture? Is there a risk due to a knock or impact that could make an injury worse? Would it not be wise to take a player out of the game for 4 or 5 weeks to help remedy the injury? Cripps is clearly not playing with the form he has shown in he past. IMO only, I would take him from the field to rest. Players lacking form do not impact a game and help the side win matches. Something suspicious in that read from the Age. I don’t get it.
Teague says Cripps back is fine... see AFL.Com.
Im confused....
Teague says Cripps back is fine... see AFL.Com.
Im confused....
His back is fine now but it wasn't before.
He's not getting any injections now that he's aware of but he might have before but he's not sure.
If Cripps does have a back issue, and is receiving injections to play, then that explains his lack of flexibility and not being able to bend down to pick the ball up and double grabbing etc. The club needs to have a hard look at itself as he is not playing well at all and we need to give game time to the younger mids. I'm sure Setterfield would relish some Cripps free midfield time.
If he does not have a back issue, then my original post remains unaltered, he must be moved on, as the game appears to have passed him by.
If Cripps does have a back issue, and is receiving injections to play, then that explains his lack of flexibility and not being able to bend down to pick the ball up and double grabbing etc. The club needs to have a hard look at itself as he is not playing well at all and we need to give game time to the younger mids. I'm sure Setterfield would relish some Cripps free midfield time.
If he does not have a back issue, then my original post remains unaltered, he must be moved on, as the game appears to have passed him by.
I would back Kennedy to have more impact than Cripps at the moment.
Setterfield would have to be the very last option on the list ... and won't be come the much awaited cull of useless duds.
Setterfield would have to be the very last option on the list ... and won't be come the much awaited cull of useless duds.
If Setterfield, Dow or Kennedy got Cripps' centre square time their performances would be much better.
Kennedy probably has the build and attitude to do the blue collar work, Setterfield hasnt proven to be that robust or keen
on heavy contact.
Dow was recruited to be Cripps running mate in the middle and do the burst work away from packs but hasnt looked like
it in terms of confidence or skills....its bad enough with Cripps skills being average without throwing a nervous Dow in the middle on a full time basis. Williams is the other who should be there but he is also doubtful with injury and cant play long periods as a mid due to his lack of endurance.
Teague says Cripps back is fine... see AFL.Com.
Im confused....
If he agrees then dees will target his back.
Fwiw, casboult is also playing with a knee injury and is supposedly requiring it to be drained each week to play.
With tdk set to come in, rest casboult
Re Williams being a burst player.
He was supposed to be playing mid and switching forward with Martin. That all went out the window when Martin got injured
Kennedy probably has the build and attitude to do the blue collar work, Setterfield hasnt proven to be that robust or keen
on heavy contact.
Dow was recruited to be Cripps running mate in the middle and do the burst work away from packs but hasnt looked like
it in terms of confidence or skills....its bad enough with Cripps skills being average without throwing a nervous Dow in the middle on a full time basis. Williams is the other who should be there but he is also doubtful with injury and cant play long periods as a mid due to his lack of endurance.
I'm saying remove Cripps until he's back to his normal self. At the moment he is a liability, was it against the Lions where he had 25 disposals and 12 clangers? That's the ball game right there.
Re Williams being a burst player.
He was supposed to be playing mid and switching forward with Martin. That all went out the window when Martin got injured
Martin and Fisher are our two best forward pressure players and we really miss them. Owies and Betts had good games on SUnday but they had 21 pressure acts between them. Our opponent this week Kysaiah Pickett had 22 by himself.
I’m fast losing faith in Teague’s assessment of the side and with that Teague as a coach. His statement that we are a flexible team could not be further from the truth, and that starts with Cripps, he is a clearance player only, sure he may be big (not that he is currently playing like it) but his one touch pickups are gone, his vision to get the ball to our advantage by hand has also let him. Instead he wants to burst away from a pack all himself and be the hero. Compare that to Pendulbury or Bont and both are happy to give a little handball if it gets their other players into space.
Cripps is a one dimensional cut out of his former self, and with the game speeding up thanks to a few rule changes over the last couple of seasons, is not going to get any better. In fact if you look at the game against the Dogs, to win the ruck hit outs and to then have a C grade ruck in Pitto win the clearances just shows how far Cripps has sunk. It’s with this in mind that I think if he wants to go at the end of the season via free agency, provided we get a first rounder back for him, then let him go.
While many will howl at the idea, it will go a long way to fix our team. We have two players who attend most centre bounces that struggle to play any where else, Cripps and Ed. Ed is limited but does a great job negating the best clearance player on the other side, while getting the ball himself, not that it’s a great possession most of the time. That leaves one spot vacant which Walsh is the logical choice, because of his level of play this year. So where do we fit Cunningham, Dow, SPS, Setterfield, Stocker, Williams, Fogarty etc? At the moment they are sent to a flank pocket or wing and given 5 minutes a game in the middle, leaving us with the question, why aren’t our young players better. The answer is because of the one dimensional play of Cripps and Curnow.
Obviously Cripps is not going to be dropped or put on a flank, but his time should be diminished in the middle and he put in the goal square for 10 minutes a quarter. Ed needs to be able to tag of a flank or wing, but very rarely should we use both in the middle at the same time.
If Cripps is in use a combination of two faster players like a Walsh Dow Cunningham, if Ed is in then look at a Stocker Setterfield to win the ball inside and move it forward. If neither then that’s when SPS and Fogarty or even Gibbons get a look in.
Down back we are pretty good, however this needs a change too, Williams has been a non event in the middle and should be moved to the HBF to regain form and confidence, Doc I would move to the wing and drop Newnes who is a real list clogger. 12-15 touches a game equals a seconds player who gets a game for injury or bad form of another player. I would also want to see Newnam in as soon as possible, which would mean moving Stocker to the bench.
Up forward we have seen how ineffective Fisher has been when compared to Owies who over the last 2 games has given us 5 goals plus pressure and the biggest thing I saw was Owies rushing a point last weekend, he wasn’t playing on ball, so to be to see him on the last line of defence means he must of followed his opponent into out backline, something that Murphy, Fisher, Gibbons just doesn’t do. Owies should not be dropped for the foreseeable future. That being said, we have no spot for Fisher, he is a forward by circumstance not by choice and to me is tradeable, because he will not get a spot in out midfield. Murphy should be an injury sub on or two times this season, just to get his tally closer to 300 without getting him on the field.
So a team I’d like to see this week;
FB Plowman Jones Newnam
HB Williams Weitering Saad
C E.Curnow Cripps Docherty
R Pittonet Walsh Dow
HF Fogarty deKoning Cunningham
FF Betts McKay Owies
I Parks, Stocker, SPS, Cottrell
IS Murphy
E Setterfield, Newnes, Williamson
Only thing I worry about with removing Cripps out of the middle, is what happens to Walsh.
You put Cripps in there, and irrespective of his form, the opposition have to respect him, and by extension this frees walsh up to mix his time inside and outside the contest with Cripps wearing the heavy heat, because as bad as he has been, he will win the contest, and he will dish it out to someone if he would just simplify his game.
That being said, we should look at trying a different mix. I like Walsh's game irrespective of where he plays, but I think we are a poorer team not having him on the wing, because he runs up and down all day, and is a much better user of the footy than anyone in our team except for Williams when he has his kicking boots on. Unfortunately he too is injured.
As for Teague, I think the spread of how games have gone has shown that he is coaching reasonably well. Its not translating to wins, but I can genuinely see us in it to win it 95% of the time, with thus far, the Port Adelaide game the only one that didnt look like getting near it. Considering we have played 3 of the sides expected to be top 4 already, then that speaks for itself really.
I think we will get a better idea of how he goes as a coach in the back half of the year. Seeing Beveridge on the boundary line on the weekend is a bit tick to Teague's coaching and planning as it made him desperate to get the win.
This weekend might tell a better story.
I’m fast losing faith in Teague’s assessment of the side and with that Teague as a coach.
I think we are a flexible team, but not in respect of the talls and that includes Cripps.
We don't really have a Roughead type tall, at least if we do it hasn't been exposed yet. Perhaps Charlie is the missing link in this regard, De Koning might be pretty flexible option long term. He really reminds me of Peter Moore.
Not every player can be everything, and on Cripps it was Daisy that made a point this morning of stating that while Cripps is taking hits and heat for Walsh he can't still be winning his own footy to the same degree, he can't be two players at once.
I think we are a flexible team, but not in respect of the talls and that includes Cripps.
We don't really have a Roughead type tall, at least if we do it hasn't been exposed yet. Perhaps Charlie is the missing link in this regard, De Koning might be pretty flexible option long term. He really reminds me of Peter Moore.
Not every player can be everything, and on Cripps it was Daisy that made a point this morning of stating that while Cripps is taking hits and heat for Walsh he can't still be winning his own footy to the same degree, he can't be two players at once.
We never got Cripps the support he needed, we recruited all these GWS players and missed on the bloke who could do the job in Steele...
EB....I seem to recall the talk at the time of recruiting them, was that blokes like Setterfield and Kennedy were the big bodied types to support Cripps. I'm not sure what the deal is with Kennedy but he's clearly had his card stamped and won't be there next year. Then we recruit Williams to play in the middle and the guy hasn't fired a shot all year. I'd hate to lose a guy like McKay because we've stumped up $900K per year over 5 years for Williams and now can't afford others.
Said it before on these posts and probably sounding like a broken record but the targeting of players has been atrocious. We have two key defenders on the whole list...Jones/Weitering....and Jones is 30. Parks is a good sized third tall but still raw. Marchbank will be lucky to survive and likely end up on the rookie list and clearly doesn't have the body to stand up to the rigours of AFL.
We have two ruckman on the list with no backup other than Casboult.
And we've drafted a score of young midfielders who, for a variety of reasons, aren't playing or don't look like they're up to it....or we're playing them out of position.
I'd still like to hear a reason why SPS didn't play against Bulldogs. Came on as the sub in the first quarter against Essendon and played in the midfield and IMO played one of his better games....he looked confident and sure of himself and his disposal was pretty good. Then he's not selected against the Bulldogs who have arguably the best/deepest midfield in the competition, and, no surprise, we get smashed in the middle.
There doesn't appear to be any Plan B in the coaches box when opposition teams get a run-on. If games were played over 3 quarters I reckon we'd be nearly top of the ladder....but they aren't, and we're not.
If we're resigned to winning a few games against the likes of Freo, Essendon, GC, North, Hawks etc then it'll be another 6-7 win season, a bottom 4 or 5 finish and back to the draft/trade table we go again.
Something has to give.
If Setterfield, Dow or Kennedy got Cripps' centre square time their performances would be much better.
Not sure I agree with that, Kennedy and Setterfield are getting plenty of time in the centre in the VFL and are not tearing it up there.
Kennedy's been treated like a yo-yo as usual.
Had a few excellent games in the 2s.
Promoted to the 1s, for one game, played out of position...
Then dropped.
Could imagine if the bloke wasn't enjoying hi footy presently.
Not sure I agree with that, Kennedy and Setterfield are getting plenty of time in the centre in the VFL and are not tearing it up there.
Setterfield In the best vs Brisbane, our best vs Essendon and another 27 touches on Sunday.
Setterfield In the best vs Brisbane, our best vs Essendon and another 27 touches on Sunday.
Yep I've watched all the VFL games except for last weeks second half and I wouldn't have put him in our best in any of them. Just an opinion but seems a fair way of AFL standard to me.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/153037/tomorrows-heroes-will-setterfield-the-tall-mid-who-can-do-it-all
This is what Cal Twomey said about Setterfield in his draft year.
Setterfield has pulled out of contests and hasnt shown me he is combative enough at senior level. He will pick up possies at VFL level playing on kids from the burbs because he is better than VFL hackers but has never looked like that hardened warrior type we need to help Cripps. We needed more ballsy players like Steele and Adams from GWS....
https://www.afl.com.au/news/153037/tomorrows-heroes-will-setterfield-the-tall-mid-who-can-do-it-all
This is what Cal Twomey said about Setterfield in his draft year.
One of the most complete midfielders in the draft, eh? Wow. What happened!!
https://www.afl.com.au/news/153037/tomorrows-heroes-will-setterfield-the-tall-mid-who-can-do-it-all
This is what Cal Twomey said about Setterfield in his draft year.
I would love to see that in him, wish he could bring some of that to his game now. Do you think it's a confidence thing? That's how he looks to me, not confident maybe scared of making a mistake? I don't think he lacks courage.
Maybe there is a use by date on coalface mids...watched a bit of Nat Fyfe and his goal kicking exploits in particular and it was like Cripps MkII...he looked like an old man with gout trying to make contact with the ball and the years of carrying Freo look like they have done for him as well. He had more ball than Cripps but 2/3 of his possies were handballs and the run seems to have gone out of his legs too. The old Freo had 4 big bodied mids and were fearsome now its just Fyfe, his equally old mate Mundy and some kids along with no big Sandilands anymore to make life that much easier.
Its a position that needs refreshing more than most and having a group of players capable of sharing the workload...
Judd was another victim of burnout after leaving the mighty west coast midfield and doing it solo around the world with us...
I would love to see that in him, wish he could bring some of that to his game now. Do you think it's a confidence thing? That's how he looks to me, not confident maybe scared of making a mistake? I don't think he lacks courage.
Walsh contests like its a natural part of his makeup and he just hates losing a contest, Setterfield doesnt have that in his skillset IMO. Doesnt mean he cant be used in another position which is less demanding but you need that manic contested type in the middle who just will themselves to win the ball at all costs...
I would love to see that in him, wish he could bring some of that to his game now. Do you think it's a confidence thing? That's how he looks to me, not confident maybe scared of making a mistake? I don't think he lacks courage.
He's played a total of 39 games, coming into his 5th season (0 games in 2018). If you look at length of time on a list, it seems like he's been around for a while, I guess he has. But he's played bugger all senior footy, in a very stop start, interrupted manner - this point would be the first thing that comes to my mind as to why he hasn't really lived up to potential. My 2 cents.
Teague says Cripps back is fine... see AFL.Com.
Im confused....
Club would naturally deny it. Can't admit to playing a player with a back fracture.
Nathan Jones is out with a Hammy
Nathan Jones has played some good games against us but I'd say he's the least of our worries. Might be the time this week to keep Levi in the side and play him back....he did it a couple of seasons ago I think when Jones was injured and did okay. Either that or Parks will have to play on probably McDonald which will be a huge ask for a guy playing in about his 5th game of footy.
Nathan Jones has played some good games against us but I'd say he's the least of our worries......................
Agree. He's been dropped once or twice already this season.
Nathan Jones has played some good games against us but I'd say he's the least of our worries. Might be the time this week to keep Levi in the side and play him back....he did it a couple of seasons ago I think when Jones was injured and did okay. Either that or Parks will have to play on probably McDonald which will be a huge ask for a guy playing in about his 5th game of footy.
Fair point Surfie although I think they will persist with Parks down back but he is going to be giving away size and experience if its him vs either of McDonald, Brown or Weidemann. Fritsch and Pickett wont be much fun either for ever plays on them...best way is to keep the ball down our end more. I'd be keeping Levi in the team as insurance to play down back or cover if TDK gets injured.
Harry on May will be an interesting dual.....Harry has the cm but May has the sharper elbows..
He's another that is due some payback.
Nathan Jones has played some good games against us but I'd say he's the least of our worries. Might be the time this week to keep Levi in the side and play him back....he did it a couple of seasons ago I think when Jones was injured and did okay. Either that or Parks will have to play on probably McDonald which will be a huge ask for a guy playing in about his 5th game of footy.
Dees midfield is possibly more dominant than the dogs midfield. Considering they embarrassed us last week, every solid, hard working player we can get out of the dees midfield can only help us. Yes, he's not as good as he once was, but he'd be better than whatever replacement they can muster.
He's another that is due some payback.
May slipped a nice elbow on Buddy recently, it glanced off his shoulder and into his head but May managed to make it look innocent enough but when its a bloke like May its never an accident. Worst May carnage I saw was when he ran through Stefan Martin who is a decent lump of a bloke but caught him flush and left him knocked out cold like he got hit by a truck. See below some of Mays finest work...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynYEFeZUWY
Fritsch is a really dangerous player and not sure we have an ideal match up for him.....probably Plowman? Saad isn't a lockdown defender and neither is Docherty really. As for Pickett.....again, hard to find a match up for him.....probably Stocker.
Fritsch is a really dangerous player and not sure we have an ideal match up for him.....probably Plowman? Saad isn't a lockdown defender and neither is Docherty really. As for Pickett.....again, hard to find a match up for him.....probably Stocker.
Fritsch is a strong mark for his size and Plowman would probably have to take him.....I'd put Saad on Pickett
Club would naturally deny it. Can't admit to playing a player with a back fracture.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
Fritsch is a strong mark for his size and Plowman would probably have to take him.....I'd put Saad on Pickett
SPS for that job and maybe Stocker at times...
SPS for that job and maybe Stocker at times...
SPS might work, think Pickett would be too quick for Stocker.
All is not lost, found a precedent for tomorrow’s game while looking at afltables.com and 1978 in particular. After 8 rounds we were 3-5 and played the undefeated top team (North Melbourne) in round 9. We came out and kicked their a%ses to tune of 58 points. Then went on a run to the finals where we won our first game before bowing out in the second week. :D
The background to the seasons are obviously different etc, but interesting none the less.
Yep! I’ll take anything at the moment!!
All is not lost, found a precedent for tomorrow’s game while looking at afltables.com and 1978 in particular. After 8 rounds we were 3-5 and played the undefeated top team (North Melbourne) in round 9. We came out and kicked their a%ses to tune of 58 points. Then went on a run to the finals where we won our first game before bowing out in the second week. :D
The background to the seasons are obviously different etc, but interesting none the less.
I think that was the year Jezza took over from Stewart as coach and I believe I was at that game! One of the few times I was at the Heatley end goals and was a fantastic win. Difference back then was we had a brilliant squad who just needed the right bloke in charge. Was widely reported that they loved their coach (Jezza, not Stewart) and were ruthless at the contest with him at the helm. Our current team is miles of that in regards to personnel and attitude. Ah, the memories.
If Casboult was to play tomorrow it would be his 150th game for Carlton. Considering there has been no fanfare from the Club or in the press about this leads me to the assumption that he won't be playing. Therefore DeKonning will have his first game for the season. This would mean we have played 34 players fort the season which shows we have depth. I would paly Cripps as the third tall in our forward line. While he is not a great forward, all he has to do is kick a couple of goals and he would be as effective as Silvagni and McGovern. He would also give us an extra pair of hands around the forward 50 stoppages and if he ran up and down the ground he would blow up any half back stationed on him. I would bring in Setterfield, and if Murphy is fit they would probably drop Gibbons who's output has dropped of over the past few weeks and if Williams is not fit, they should bring in Dow. The other player I would consider is Honey.
As was I
@rocky ... Stewart was absolutely despised by the players. Stupid appointment.
All is not lost, found a precedent for tomorrow’s game while looking at afltables.com and 1978 in particular. After 8 rounds we were 3-5 and played the undefeated top team (North Melbourne) in round 9. We came out and kicked their a%ses to tune of 58 points. Then went on a run to the finals where we won our first game before bowing out in the second week. :D
The background to the seasons are obviously different etc, but interesting none the less.
I've backed the Blues to win by 20-39 (with a few bucks on 40+ too)
I've backed the Blues to win by 20-39 (with a few bucks on 40+ too)
I think we will win like I said earlier but not brave enough to put my hard earned on it yet so good luck to you....😉
I think we will win like I said earlier but not brave enough to put my hard earned on it yet so good luck to you....😉
Agree EB, I wouldn't commit hard earned on it but if we bring it for 4 qtrs, our best is good enough. Listening to the boys on On the Couch the other night, Healy reckons we aren't far off getting it together, just a few tweaks required. I hope the tweaks have been made this week. According to my charts, weather might even stay away so I might go.
I reckon we'll go hard at the start tomorrow.
It's the best way to put a bit of a doubt into them.
Get a bit of a lead.
What comes after....
I think there is a belief that if Carlton are within four or five goals they're 'gettable'.
The problem is it's the Carlton players thinking that way.
We need a win were we're challenged and hold the opposition off.
I think that was the year Jezza took over from Stewart as coach and I believe I was at that game! One of the few times I was at the Heatley end goals and was a fantastic win. Difference back then was we had a brilliant squad who just needed the right bloke in charge. Was widely reported that they loved their coach (Jezza, not Stewart) and were ruthless at the contest with him at the helm. Our current team is miles of that in regards to personnel and attitude. Ah, the memories.
Jezza's 3rd game. I was there too. Went from 1-5, when Jezza took over, to 4-5 with that win. We hammered both grand finalists that year.
No TDK? not sure what is going on
Murphy straight back,
We’re taking the p155
Murphy, Setters and Newman in.
Gibbo, Newnes, JSOS and SPS out.
No kennedy (for JSOS) very strange. Papers stamped.
Ours are far enough. Ins, not so sure.
IN: Murphy, Setterfield, Newman
OUT: Gibbons, Newnes, SPS, Silvagni (conc).
EMG: TDK, Newnes, Gibbons, Honey
SPS officially playing 2's.
No TDK is something i cannot understand.
Casboult must have naked pics of Teague or something.
Newnes or Gibbons would make a good sub.
IN: Murphy, Setterfield, Newman
OUT: Gibbons, Newnes, SPS, Silvagni (conc).
EMG: TDK, Newnes, Gibbons, Honey
SPS officially playing 2's.
No TDK is something i cannot understand.
Casboult must have naked pics of Teague or something.
Newnes or Gibbons would make a good sub.
The Pitt and Casboult show is going so well we don’t need TDk - quite incredibly, in the mind of our MC he’s surplus to our requirements!
We're playing again with 3 players who are obviously not fit.
On the flip side, there’s a bit of talent in the twos with Williamson, SPS, Dow, Honey, TDK all languishing down there
No TDK? not sure what is going on
Murphy straight back,
We’re taking the p155
Outs you can understand, particularly Newnes and Gibbons...
Setterfield named on the wing ::) yep, let's keep playing blokes out of position :-[ . (put Setterfield on the ball, and Williams on a wing).
TDK an emergency while Casboult, terribly out of form, gets the nod ::)
If Crippa was any other player, he'd be rested or omitted ::)
Complete joke these selectors. FFIN imbeciles. What the F##$ has Levi got on these blokes to still be getting a game. Was going to the game tomorrow, but not now. F em.
Nice to see Newman back. Hopefully he's not underdone. And all the best to Levi for a big 150th. What a journey.
For all those SuperCoach players make Gawn your captain. He could seriously top 200 points tomorrow.
setterfield ... loud agonising groan.
Given how long it has been since TDK has played in the firsts it could well be that the MC is concerned about his fitness and ability to see out a game.
If that's not the case then I haven't a clue.
Melbourne by 4 goals.
setterfield ... loud agonising groan.
Exactly! That’s what I did when I heard he was in.
For a bloke trying to cement his place in the team never really tears it up In the 2s and then when he gets his chance I don’t think he earned he never puts his body into a contest with any real want. Just likes the non contact outside run with style yet his disposal is not good enough to excuse his lack of grunt at the contest or defensive pressure.
Has no 2nd gear and nowhere near up to the level when played in the guts imo and melb mids will slaughter him if we try him again in the middle.
Melbourne by 4 goals.
After we lead by 2 goals at 3/4 time...lol.
I think Setterfield needs to be given the benefit of the doubt for now. 39 games, into his 5th season. Interrupted, stop start career.
I keep going back and checking the selections thinking it is some sort of sick perverted joke the club is pulling but it's not. It reality and the reality is we've blown it again before the game has even started. While I am happy enough with the outs, bar the unfathomable decision to retain Casboult, the ins are far from inspiring. Newman, fair enough. Murphy, well I guess under the circumstances, yes. Setterfield is a mistake regardless of him being played on the wing or on the ball. I've watched him closely in the VFL and he plays the same there as he does in the AFL. No intensity. No urgency and no desire. Kennedy has more of a crack. Just a nothing pick. He will fail tomorrow just as sure as Levi will, again!
On the flip side, there’s a bit of talent in the twos with Williamson, SPS, Dow, Honey, TDK all languishing down there
Yeh back luck they’ve got a bye.
I think Setterfield needs to be given the benefit of the doubt for now. 39 games, into his 5th season. Interrupted, stop start career.
After 5 years !! Shown nothing, does nothing, worth nothing. Fraud and dud. IMO of course
After 5 years !! Shown nothing, does nothing, worth nothing. Fraud and dud. IMO of course
The 5 years is deceptive. He's played less than 2 seasons of actual games. I think he's shown enough to be given the BOD for now.
I'm more than aware of his injury run. Just as you are with his chances. He is free to a good home.
Backs: Sam Docherty Liam Jones Liam Stocker
Half-backs: Adam Saad Jacob Weitering Lachie Plowman
Centreline: Matthew Cottrell Patrick Cripps Will Setterfield
Half-forwards: David Cuningham Levi Casboult Marc Murphy
Forwards: Eddie Betts Harry McKay Lachie Fogarty
Followers: Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh Zac Williams
Interchange: Ed Curnow Luke Parks Nic Newman Matt Owies
Emergencies: Tom De Koning Jack Newnes Josh Honey Michael Gibbons
We don't want to win. Otherwise we would have chosen a different line-up.
IN: Murphy, Setterfield, Newman
OUT: Gibbons, Newnes, SPS, Silvagni (conc).
EMG: TDK, Newnes, Gibbons, Honey
SPS officially playing 2's.
No TDK is something i cannot understand.
Casboult must have naked pics of Teague or something.
Newnes or Gibbons would make a good sub.
Don't mind the in's.
Provided we play Setterfield as an inside mid like we did for the back half of 2020 and not as a Wing/Half Back Flanker like we have 2021. Smashed in the middle last week.
Can't understand why Levi on one leg and Zac Williams are in. Hopefully TDK is a late in.
The 5 years is deceptive. He's played less than 2 seasons of actual games. I think he's shown enough to be given the BOD for now.
Im over the excuses, we have been patient enough. Unless we want to accept mediocrity Dow Kennedy LOB and setterfield will all be gone at seasons end. Look at Parks, Owies and Fogarty and I would add stocker to that list too. From day one they showed the grunt and desire needed at the top level. That’s the recipe to improve our list not using the same tried and tested blokes and watching them
week in week out producing the same below par level.
No TDK? not sure what is going on
Murphy straight back,
We’re taking the p155
Read Daniel O'Keefe's review from last week's VFL game. Tom needs another couple of games to get up to speed, particularly with his transition between offence and defence.
Read Daniel O'Keefe's review from last week's VFL game. Tom needs another couple of games to get up to speed, particularly with his transition between offence and defence.
Geez that’s a pretty high standard they are setting. Obviously the club had different standards for different players.
Casboults bar must be an inch off the ground.
The Pitt and Casboult show is going so well we don’t need TDk - quite incredibly, in the mind of our MC he’s surplus to our requirements!
Mind boggling, the only explanation is they are counting this as a loss and giving him more time in the 2s. I would have thought it was the perfect game for him to work with Pitto against Gawn.
Melbourne by 4 goals.
Yes 4-5 goals is about right.
Can I just add, I know he's been out of form and he cops it a lot but congratulations to Levi on 150 games. A player who has been battered from pillar to post and has given his absolute all for our club, loved by his team mates and supporters in general. Just goes about his business, trains hard and prepares as well as anyone.
Go get em Meat.
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Go get em Meat.
Shouldn't he be called tofu now? Hasn't he gone vegan?
https://www.afl.com.au/news/612654/got-the-blues-the-numbers-behind-carlton-s-midfield-malaise
I am filled with confidence reading that Barker and Stanton are working hard on turning our midfield woes around for today's game ::) :'(
Im over the excuses, we have been patient enough. Unless we want to accept mediocrity Dow Kennedy LOB and setterfield will all be gone at seasons end. Look at Parks, Owies and Fogarty and I would add stocker to that list too. From day one they showed the grunt and desire needed at the top level. That’s the recipe to improve our list not using the same tried and tested blokes and watching them
week in week out producing the same below par level.
Setterfield is an injured, fringe version of Bryce Gibbs. Similar height, similar weight, similar profile. Nice ball user, looks laconic, and therefore attracts the same criticisms as Bryce. Ostensibly an inside/outside mid, he ends up being deployed as a fixer / utility, played wherever it suits the team, and this, in combination with injuries, means his AFL life can be summarised in one word : unsettled. He was a building some nice momentum in 2019 and 2020. We won't know if he can take the next step by playing him in the magoos. This is the season to find out IMO.
Setterfield is an injured, fringe version of Bryce Gibbs. Similar height, similar weight, similar profile. Nice ball user, looks laconic, and therefore attracts the same criticisms as Bryce. Ostensibly an inside/outside mid, he ends up being deployed as a fixer / utility, played wherever it suits the team, and this, in combination with injuries, means his AFL life can be summarised in one word : unsettled. He was a building some nice momentum in 2019 and 2020. We won't know if he can take the next step by playing him in the magoos. This is the season to find out IMO.
Yes agreed, fans have very short memories.
It's interestingly to me why with some players fans forget the good yet remember the bad, while other players get the inverse treatment. At best it makes the commentary by fans arbitrary and inconsistent, at worst they seem blatantly biased!
Setterfield is an injured, fringe version of Bryce Gibbs. Similar height, similar weight, similar profile. Nice ball user, looks laconic, and therefore attracts the same criticisms as Bryce. Ostensibly an inside/outside mid, he ends up being deployed as a fixer / utility, played wherever it suits the team, and this, in combination with injuries, means his AFL life can be summarised in one word : unsettled. He was a building some nice momentum in 2019 and 2020. We won't know if he can take the next step by playing him in the magoos. This is the season to find out IMO.
Unsetterfield…
Gibbons the sub
Dees by 38
Who is going to take Weiderman? Plowman?
Think they should play Setterfield up forward