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Title: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 24, 2020, 10:54:42 pm
Looks like its the Dees at Marvel for 2020 Reboot
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: BluePhantom on May 25, 2020, 09:51:23 am
Why can't some of our games be played at Princes Park? If Geelong get to play all their games at their Dung heap due to the no crowd policy then....?
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on May 25, 2020, 10:06:25 am
Why can't some of our games be played at Princes Park? If Geelong get to play all their games at their Dung heap due to the no crowd policy then....?
We don't have a fanboy in the Big House.

When we did have someone in there he just sat on his hands and did squat because doing something to help us would have been unethical, unethical like the actions of his predecessors and successors! His motives for why he took this stance can only be speculated.

In the meantime other clubs play politics and put people on the AFL administration inside track, giving them access to privileges and priority treatment that they actively block for us.

In the AFL and AFLW, nice guys finish last, we've allowed our club to be bullied into passive submission, on-field and off we play like good boys and girls and get walked over. We use to be the nasty ones winning the flags! This doesn't mean you have to cheat, but you do need to be actively aggressive, like Selwood and Hodge. I realise Hodge isn't the best full-time example, but 95% of the time he didn't do the dog acts, why he slipped is his own failing. Diesel, Dominator, Maclure, Buckley and The Hyphen would be some of our own in-house examples.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: townsendcalling on May 25, 2020, 01:11:38 pm
Round 2: Melbourne, Marvel Stadium (home), Saturday June 13 at 4:35pm

Round 3: Geelong Cats, GMHBA (away), Saturday June 20 at 7:40pm

Round 4: Essendon, MCG (away), Saturday June 27 at 7:40pm

Round 5: St Kilda, MCG (home), Saturday July 4 at 1:45pm

Pros... No trips outside of Victoria in this opening patch of games, which includes two away games, meaning interstate trips shouldn’t be too frequent for the rest of the year... a trip to the Cattery is tough but the rest of these are all winnable, and a fast start is important in this shortened season.

Cons... While the Cats are going to host plenty of games in Geelong this year, the Blues are still slightly unlucky to be one of the teams selected to head down the highway... no Thursday or Friday night lights.

Three winnable games here!
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on May 25, 2020, 01:55:13 pm
Three winnable games here!
It really depends heavily on the ruck situation.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: deepbluesee on May 25, 2020, 03:05:15 pm
Has there been any word on TV coverage? Under the circumstances I understand not getting to see the games so will have to watch them on TV. Nothing other than free to air so hoping for less fox footy and more Ch 7.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 25, 2020, 03:18:38 pm
It really depends heavily on the ruck situation.
Agree....playing Melbourne with Gawn and not having Kreuzer is going to have a big effect on the game, hoping Pittonet can at least keep the new Melbourne skipper to a fair game only.
Hoping May doesnt play either, with him and Lever back their defense looks better on paper, winnable game for sure but the Gawn factor is huge.

Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 25, 2020, 04:15:20 pm
Round 2: Melbourne, Marvel Stadium (home), Saturday June 13 at 4:35pm

Round 3: Geelong Cats, GMHBA (away), Saturday June 20 at 7:40pm

Round 4: Essendon, MCG (away), Saturday June 27 at 7:40pm

Round 5: St Kilda, MCG (home), Saturday July 4 at 1:45pm

Pros... No trips outside of Victoria in this opening patch of games, which includes two away games, meaning interstate trips shouldn’t be too frequent for the rest of the year... a trip to the Cattery is tough but the rest of these are all winnable, and a fast start is important in this shortened season.

Cons... While the Cats are going to host plenty of games in Geelong this year, the Blues are still slightly unlucky to be one of the teams selected to head down the highway... no Thursday or Friday night lights.

Three winnable games here!
The first 2 will be losses I reckon, we are terrible at Marvel and add to that we are back from a spell (atrocious record of late). The Handbags will smash us at KP, 10 goals min. Ess and StK at the G will be 50-50.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Lods on May 25, 2020, 06:51:05 pm
The mental side of things will play a big part in these early games.
This will be a preparation unlike any other
How has the isolation and somewhat limited monitoring of training affected players?
Every individual will have coped with this differently.
The teams that can re-gel quickest will have an advantage and game results may be a little wonky for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: shawny on May 25, 2020, 08:24:36 pm
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Couldn’t ask for a much more favourable draw for next 4 rounds.

Melb Essendon and st kilda are all teams we should and must beat if we are going to get off the bottom four.

Simply as that.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 25, 2020, 09:40:23 pm
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Couldn’t ask for a much more favourable draw for next 4 rounds.

Melb Essendon and st kilda are all teams we should and must beat if we are going to get off the bottom four.

Simply as that.
Agree but..."We Are Carlton"...
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: capcom on May 25, 2020, 09:53:58 pm
This joke of a 2020 competition is simply prep for 2021.  I will never pay respect to it, just count me out.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Baggers on May 26, 2020, 08:14:44 am
This joke of a 2020 competition is simply prep for 2021.  I will never pay respect to it, just count me out.

That opening schedule (cutely named R2) shows clearly the AFL wants to start with a bang... and we are regarded poorly in that respect - tied to the 'Go Dees' at Marvel. Rottingwood, Tiggers, Dawks, Pussycats and Adelaide show down grab prime time viewing on the first three nights. Then week 2 down to the Cattery to appease the bleaters down there and their stadium and probably seen as fodder for the Pussycats/% boost, at least it prime time but not free-to-air, BrisVegas and Weagles were seen as the main game on that Saturday night. Strange thing is that even with our poor record of late, we still draw a bigger TV audience than some of those featuring in prime time in the first week. How the mighty have fallen.

The upside is that we have a few weeks to prove our case for more and better prime time TV scheduling (which also helps those relying on free-to-air) as the schedule is being released in blocks.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: cookie2 on May 26, 2020, 08:25:10 am
That opening schedule (cutely named R2) shows clearly the AFL wants to start with a bang... and we are regarded poorly in that respect - tied to the 'Go Dees' at Marvel. Rottingwood, Tiggers, Dawks, Pussycats and Adelaide show down grab prime time viewing on the first three nights. Then week 2 down to the Cattery to appease the bleaters down there and their stadium and probably seen as fodder for the Pussycats/% boost, at least it prime time but not free-to-air, BrisVegas and Weagles were seen as the main game on that Saturday night. Strange thing is that even with our poor record of late, we still draw a bigger TV audience than some of those featuring in prime time in the first week. How the mighty have fallen.

The upside is that we have a few weeks to prove our case for more and better prime time TV scheduling (which also helps those relying on free-to-air) as the schedule is being released in blocks.

Just start winning and keep winning Baggers. Pretty simple! Ahem! 😎
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on May 26, 2020, 08:36:23 am
This joke of a 2020 competition is simply prep for 2021.  I will never pay respect to it, just count me out.
Yes, perhaps it seems entertainment and revenue take priority over the sport.

It is a sport isn't it?

I feel it's lost it's way, I suspect someone like McGuire or Gloch would answer that question very differently to someone who actually loves the sport.

Now, it's about theatrics, glitz and glamour, the sporting aspect is barely included in the considerations. The tell is in when they start playing laugh tracks over the spectacle!
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 26, 2020, 11:27:37 am
This joke of a 2020 competition is simply prep for 2021.  I will never pay respect to it, just count me out.

Couldnt agree more, we now have a lightening premiership series so we get the TV money....I'd see how it goes for a few games and if we look like getting nowhere and no hope for finals then just play our kids.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: blueboys_1 on May 26, 2020, 12:16:24 pm
Will be interesting to see how the injury rate is at the end of the round after last weeks total of 14 injures in the German Bundesliga league, 12  and two in the Bundesliga 2. An increase of about 250% plus from the last round post coronavirus. Touch wood that our boys are well managed and that we can avoid these type of injuries.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/435743/injury-spike-bundesliga-report-reveals-big-threat-afl-footballers-face

https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2020/05/20/5ec5100be2704e1e318b457b.html

Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on May 26, 2020, 01:53:45 pm
Couldnt agree more, we now have a lightening premiership series so we get the TV money....I'd see how it goes for a few games and if we look like getting nowhere and no hope for finals then just play our kids.
I'd run with a rotation policy, so that almost all the list gets a day off every 2nd or 3rd week.

Plus, you might win a few games by surprise because the opposition are not familiar with your setup, and we get to see the kids tried in a scenario that is as close to AFL without being AFL.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: crashlander on May 26, 2020, 02:33:24 pm
I seem to be with quite a number on here, thinking that most, if not all, of the games to come are a preparation for 2021.

Nor am I overly worried about this: the injuries we got out of Round 1 and the ongoing lowlight of Charlie Curnow's injury have not left us in the shape we would like to be. As it is, a number of guys are getting close, but the ruck is a gaping wound in our side. The last time Kreuzer got injured in round one, we struggled when he came back and we were very ordinary for the season. I can hope that Pittonet and de Koning can show enough, but...

One of the downsides of this season, such as it is, is that it is going to be a real struggle for the recruiting people to make their choices. Not so good being near the bottom when you can't tell who the top selections should be.
However, it should mean that our potential F/S candidates come very cheap: they don't have the opportunity to shine either.

The fact that we have not been given games at Carlton when Geelong get games at their ordinary ground is a negative. Mind you, the Bulldogs wanted games at Ballarat and that hasn't happened either. It is not like the AFl is unaware of the status of our ground.

I do look at the Melbourne game as possible win: I am hard to dent. But it will be difficult. Particularly if Melbourne get first use of the ball constantly. Hopefully, we can show something, Hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: kruddler on May 26, 2020, 04:35:24 pm
Round 3: Geelong Cats, GMHBA (away), Saturday June 20 at 7:40pm


Cons... While the Cats are going to host plenty of games in Geelong this year, the Blues are still slightly unlucky to be one of the teams selected to head down the highway... no Thursday or Friday night lights.


Initially, i agreed with you.

On reflection, going down to GMHBA when there is no crowd involved is a blessing in disguise.

It gives us a chance to get used to the ground, without having to deal with the ferals that usually come along with it.
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on May 26, 2020, 04:45:26 pm
FMD, De Koning has rolled his ankle.

 Kreuzer is aging, McKay is fragile, Casboult tries hard and Pittonet is at best aggressive but workman like.

Are people still thinking we've too many rucks, we'll be rucking blokes like Cripps, Jones, Weitering and McGovern before you know it!

FFS, let's use the top up rules already if it's allowed?
Title: Re: AFL Rnd 2 2020 (Rev2) Carlton V Melbourne Marvel Stadium (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 26, 2020, 04:46:47 pm
Yes, perhaps it seems entertainment and revenue take priority over the sport.

It is a sport isn't it?

I feel it's lost it's way, I suspect someone like McGuire or Gloch would answer that question very differently to someone who actually loves the sport.

Now, it's about theatrics, glitz and glamour, the sporting aspect is barely included in the considerations. The tell is in when they start playing laugh tracks over the spectacle!
Blame the US of A boosters and followers for that crap.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: crashlander on June 08, 2020, 05:46:01 pm
Looks like the game will be going ahead on schedule. The potential of having a few fans attending has been raised. I can't see it happening before the Richmond vs Collingwood game on Thursday: too little time to select the fans, even if they are all corporates.

At the moment Melbourne appear to be playing Harley Bennell against us this Saturday.

I fear Melbourne's ruck combination. We need to beat Gawn to give our mids a reasonable chance.

At the moment it appears that Pittonet will play for us. Eddie Betts is highly likely to play. As for the rest, who knows?

There is a good chance of a 'scratch match' being played before the main game. That would give our kids a chance to play and most of them need it. There may well be more of these. The VFL is still a month from restarting, assuming we can organize a team for it. Apparently a number of former Northern Blues boys have been seen training. As to what will happen, nobody knows yet. many things will depend on whether Covid-19 has a second peak in the near future. Alas, that is a high probability event.  :-[ 
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: PaulP on June 08, 2020, 06:43:22 pm
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/betts-and-mckay-back-for-the-blues-20200608-p550k5.html
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: crashlander on June 08, 2020, 09:52:20 pm
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/betts-and-mckay-back-for-the-blues-20200608-p550k5.html
News we needed.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: PaulP on June 08, 2020, 10:06:58 pm
News we needed.

Yes agree. Good news.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 09, 2020, 08:06:16 am
I don't expect much from this season, I haven't bought into it.

Yet, I just can't wait to watch Cripps do his thing, I hope he stays fit and well for the remained of 2020. If he gets that bit of luck, he can be anything!
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Professer E on June 09, 2020, 08:34:46 am
Pity is that he has nothing around him.   One man band.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Wet Willie on June 09, 2020, 09:36:13 am
Cripps is still Robinson Caruso in the middle.

I loved SOS, but we have know of this problem for years and have just gone through another draft...nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: shawny on June 09, 2020, 09:49:16 am
Cripps is still Robinson Caruso in the middle.

I loved SOS, but we have know of this problem for years and have just gone through another draft...nothing has changed.

Yep SOS despite all the hype just couldn’t get the deal done to strengthen us in the middle.
Now we are again in the same position we have been in for too long already.
Hold Cripps and it’s goodnight Irene.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 09, 2020, 12:21:16 pm
Yep SOS despite all the hype just couldn’t get the deal done to strengthen us in the middle.
Now we are again in the same position we have been in for too long already.
Hold Cripps and it’s goodnight Irene.

Said it before I'd be giving Brad Crouch a call.....available and if we spent 800k a year on MCgovern I'd be happy to spend 700k on B. Crouch...I'd then get his brother Matt the next season.

Setterfield was the bigger body SOS got to help Cripps and is still a project but appears more comfortable doing a curtailing job or playing on a wing. Apart from having a mature body you have to have someone who can get the ball 30 times and have that bit of class to hurt the opposition, you just cant stick 3 meatheads in the middle with Cripps and expect results vs the quality opposition midfields.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 09, 2020, 01:15:03 pm
Apart from having a mature body you have to have someone who can get the ball 30 times and have that bit of class to hurt the opposition, you just cant stick 3 meatheads in the middle with Cripps and expect results vs the quality opposition midfields.
This 2020 resumption is going to be very interesting, despite the season being Mickey Mouse how players present themselves is a huge tell! Teague seemed overly positive a week or so back, maybe the Terrier has earned his dosh!

I hope Setterfield has been working with Cripps sprint coach!
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Wallsy on June 09, 2020, 04:00:20 pm
Personally I am of the view this Melbourne team are not mentally very strong, and with Carlton now boasting a half decent forward line I think we are a chance. But as usual success for Carlton will rest with the fringe midfielders actually having some sort of impact on the game.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: kruddler on June 09, 2020, 05:51:46 pm
Yep SOS despite all the hype just couldn’t get the deal done to strengthen us in the middle.
Now we are again in the same position we have been in for too long already.
Hold Cripps and it’s goodnight Irene.

I know he's only been around 1 season, but fair crack for SOS, he did pick up the best young midfielder thats coming into the game for some time in Walsh.

I still hold out hope for Setterfield to 'magically transform' now that he is over his knee injury. He could be our biggest 'recruit' this year.

With a bit of luck Dow and Obrien have been hitting the gym and treadmill during lockdown as an added bonus.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: PaulP on June 09, 2020, 05:57:24 pm
Personally I am of the view this Melbourne team are not mentally very strong, and with Carlton now boasting a half decent forward line I think we are a chance. But as usual success for Carlton will rest with the fringe midfielders actually having some sort of impact on the game.

I can't get a read on Melbourne at all. I don't know if 2019 was an aberration, or if 2018 was. Their first game this season was like ours. Asleep / outplayed for the first 1/4, maybe most of the first half, then showed something but not enough, by which time it was too late.

Meh.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: kruddler on June 09, 2020, 06:11:02 pm
I can't get a read on Melbourne at all. I don't know if 2019 was an aberration, or if 2018 was. Their first game this season was like ours. Asleep / outplayed for the first 1/4, maybe most of the first half, then showed something but not enough, by which time it was too late.

Meh.

Melbournes 'form' can be very much explained by plotting injuries and/or players at peak fitness along with wins.

They go hand in hand....and this comes from within the club as well.
They knew 2019 was going to be a terrible year for them before a ball was bounced in anger.
Not sure of their thoughts thus far for 2020, but i do know they have their best 22 fit and available for selection, which is probably the first time in over 12 months.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: PaulP on June 09, 2020, 06:33:12 pm
Melbournes 'form' can be very much explained by plotting injuries and/or players at peak fitness along with wins.

They go hand in hand....and this comes from within the club as well.
They knew 2019 was going to be a terrible year for them before a ball was bounced in anger.
Not sure of their thoughts thus far for 2020, but i do know they have their best 22 fit and available for selection, which is probably the first time in over 12 months.

Yes, I guess that's fair enough. Which i assume means that 2018 is a truer reflection of their ability ?
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 09, 2020, 07:26:48 pm
So this weeks player to watch (judging by the clubs media spin) is David Cunningham. In probably the most uninspiring video you'll ever see on the clubs Facebook page, Cunningham says something along the lines of "we've proven we can match it with the best", "we are confident" blah blah blah. For a bloke studying film making, his acting is atrocious. Seriously? The Club have become the maestros of spin, cringe worthy interviews and BS. Take a leaf out of Cripps book, just STFU and get your footy to a level where it does the talking. Trying to sell hope with videos like that is embarrassing. As for young David, just work on bettering 4 games in a row for now.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Professer E on June 09, 2020, 08:29:12 pm
How's about contributing in, say,  three of four quarters within the same game instead of a few cameos and a lot of "is he even out there"?
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: townsendcalling on June 09, 2020, 08:30:07 pm
At least 3 will come in
(Betts, McKay and the new French ruckman), so who will go out? Kruezer, possibly Fisher....Dow?  Does Stocker get a look in? There is a strong word that young Philps might get a look in.
So many questions and 2 days to wait. 
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: PaulP on June 09, 2020, 08:33:43 pm
At least 3 will come in
(Betts, McKay and the new French ruckman), so who will go out? Kruezer, possibly Fisher....Dow?  Does Stocker get a look in? There is a strong word that young Philps might get a look in.
So many questions and 2 days to wait. 

Actually he identifies as Italian, from the northern part of Italy.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: shawny on June 09, 2020, 09:16:47 pm
Said it before I'd be giving Brad Crouch a call.....available and if we spent 800k a year on MCgovern I'd be happy to spend 700k on B. Crouch...I'd then get his brother Matt the next season.

Setterfield was the bigger body SOS got to help Cripps and is still a project but appears more comfortable doing a curtailing job or playing on a wing. Apart from having a mature body you have to have someone who can get the ball 30 times and have that bit of class to hurt the opposition, you just cant stick 3 meatheads in the middle with Cripps and expect results vs the quality opposition midfields.

Agree re Couch but losing faith fast in the thinking the likes Of Setterfield, Kennedy, Dow types will come on and provide the support Cripps needs. They are still young and expecting them to just come on is wishful thinking at best.

We invested heavily in kids thru the middle  and apart from Walsh who is a freak the rest seem still a while away from giving us the instant boost we desperately need to compete with the majority of teams. And this issue is now compounded with Kreuzer out.

If somehow we managed to do with loins did and secure a Neale type reckon we would be a totally different proposition they we are.

It’s frustrating as the attack and defence seem to be areas we can compete and will get better yet the midfield is still way too shallow imo.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2020, 01:13:02 pm
Looks like we'll be running Harley Bennell into form this week.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 10, 2020, 02:10:12 pm
Looks like we'll be running Harley Bennell into form this week.
 
Bennell is a good footballer and if he gets himself straight he'll damage any opposition, like Garlett or Yarran I think it's clear Bennell's problems are not ability.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: townsendcalling on June 10, 2020, 03:41:46 pm
Happy for a rusty player to have his first run against us.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2020, 06:11:14 pm
Happy for a rusty player to have his first run against us.
If we don't go to town on him and make life really difficult for him, I'll be disgusted.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Professer E on June 10, 2020, 07:15:39 pm
We have a long history of running blokes into form.   Bennell will have a picnic.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2020, 07:24:40 pm
We have a long history of running blokes into form.   Bennell will have a picnic.
That's my fear, its another one of those hoodoos we need to arrest in order to take genuine steps forward and be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: JonDorotich on June 10, 2020, 07:45:38 pm
Surely we beat Melbourne

I expect 4 goal win stars minimum and it will probably be closer to 10 goals, don’t rate the dees at all.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 10, 2020, 07:59:09 pm
We have a long history of running blokes into form.   Bennell will have a picnic.
Agree...he will be pumped and so will his team-mates to help him out, though he might get injured again too..


Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 10, 2020, 08:00:36 pm
If we don't go to town on him and make life really difficult for him, I'll be disgusted.
Not sure we will go too hard given the state of world affairs....
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Thryleon on June 10, 2020, 08:48:21 pm
There's always a chance bennels calf goes twang and he does a kreuzer.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2020, 09:31:47 pm
Not sure we will go too hard given the state of world affairs....
Pigs ass, absolutely no racist taunts for sure  but you can still be hard at the man whether he is red, white, blue, black, pink etc. Once you cross the line to play the tough game of football, its on like donkey kong and world affairs matter little.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: crashlander on June 10, 2020, 09:42:07 pm
Happy for a rusty player to have his first run against us.
As long as we take him seriously. We let too many ordinary players play well against us.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: DJC on June 11, 2020, 09:16:36 am
As long as we take him seriously. We let too many ordinary players play well against us.

I would give Liam Stocker the job on him.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 11, 2020, 10:04:45 am
Fork the Demons, you can scupper their whole season, just re-open the ski fields!
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 11, 2020, 10:23:38 am
Pigs ass, absolutely no racist taunts for sure  but you can still be hard at the man whether he is red, white, blue, black, pink etc. Once you cross the line to play the tough game of football, its on like donkey kong and world affairs matter little.
Might be his first game for a while but he is a journeyman who has been in the system for a while and knows his way around
a footy oval, think we would be better advised to make sure he doesnt get too much of the ball than trying to rough him up.
We are not a great team for manning up the opposition especially the small forwards and i reckon we need to focus on the basics vs Melbourne who are not that great IMO but have a few no name types who can do a bit of damage if you dont give them a bit of respect. I dont like Goodwin or Melbourne and really want to win this game and want to de-hype Bennell's return to footy.
Eddie's first game back for us seems to have been lost in all this Bennell frenzy and I'm hoping Eddie slips under the radar and and takes the gloss of anything Bennell does.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Professer E on June 11, 2020, 10:43:30 am
Yep,  agree with all that.   The need to "de hype ", couldn't have said it better.   Just beat them,  simple.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 11, 2020, 01:15:40 pm
Jack Martin has been lost in the AFL wilderness for a year or more and hardly gets any immediate coverage, he'll be the one flying under-the-radar!
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2020, 02:58:12 pm
Melbourne's strength is their mid-field, how they move the ball when they are firing and their back line looks pretty strong as well. I think our mid-field is ok with Cripps, Murphy, Curnow, Walsh, Setterfield and Gibbons, with others to run through their. Pittonet will have a big job to compete against Gawn and to limit his influence. Our forward line looks good on paper with Casboult, McKay, McGovern, Betts, Martin and Silvagni and if they can pressure the Melbourne defence by kicking goals and tackling, this will restrict their ball movement. Melbourne's forward line looks a bit thin and very reliant on McDonald and our defence should be able to cover them. We can't afford to give them a four, five, six goal start and then try to run them down. I am reasonably confident particularly as the Demons don't like Marvel stadium as a rule and while we should be making some sort of surge up the ladder, our recent history counts against that scenario.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 11, 2020, 03:15:54 pm
Melbourne's strength is their mid-field, how they move the ball when they are firing and their back line looks pretty strong as well. I think our mid-field is ok with Cripps, Murphy, Curnow, Walsh, Setterfield and Gibbons, with others to run through their. Pittonet will have a big job to compete against Gawn and to limit his influence. Our forward line looks good on paper with Casboult, McKay, McGovern, Betts, Martin and Silvagni and if they can pressure the Melbourne defence by kicking goals and tackling, this will restrict their ball movement. Melbourne's forward line looks a bit thin and very reliant on McDonald and our defence should be able to cover them. We can't afford to give them a four, five, six goal start and then try to run them down. I am reasonably confident particularly as the Demons don't like Marvel stadium as a rule and while we should be making some sort of surge up the ladder, our recent history counts against that scenario.
We will win or loose this game in the ruck. If Gawn gets off the chain we are in strife. I would have had much more confidence in curtailing his influence with a fit Kruze taking him on.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: flyboy77 on June 11, 2020, 08:38:02 pm
We will win or loose this game in the ruck. If Gawn gets off the chain we are in strife. I would have had much more confidence in curtailing his influence with a fit Kruze taking him on.

Gawn (and other taller ruckman) destroy Kreuzer.

Pittonet is bigger and angrier than Kreuzer. He'll worry Gawn and terrify Jackson.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Tragic on June 11, 2020, 11:13:53 pm
We're buggered if we can't win this game...

And if the tigers and pies have a 36 point draw, where the hell does that leave the blues v demons?  a soccer score?

I laugh because I have no tears left.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 12, 2020, 08:18:19 am
Gawn (and other taller ruckman) destroy Kreuzer.

Pittonet is bigger and angrier than Kreuzer. He'll worry Gawn and terrify Jackson.

Agree about Pittonet, but the assessment of Gawn / Kreuzer is way off the mark.

See Final Siren Head to Head - Gawn vs Kreuzer (https://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=&SelectedPlayers=2140,1822,&Compare=Go)

Gawn himself lists Kreuzer as his toughest opponent and the player he struggles against more than any other.

Our biggest problem with Gawn is when Kreuzer is off the ground(injured probably) and Levi took over, Gawn would push forward and score goals at will. If McGovern or Levi float to the defensive side of center this should help address that issue, but until the later half of last season Levi was lost and was basically a chook running ruckmen.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Thryleon on June 12, 2020, 08:46:23 am
No Ollie Wines.  Cripps should have a day out.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 12, 2020, 10:41:42 am
No Ollie Wines.  Cripps should have a day out.

Cripps will have Clayton Oliver and Harmes for company......
I think we can win this game, Melbourne have gone with a more mobile team but have a few inexperienced kids as well
and IMO we have a better balanced team.

re: Wines...think Cripps might have him as a team-mate next season....
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: townsendcalling on June 12, 2020, 01:18:15 pm
7 changes is a heck of a lot of changes and difficult for some of the newbies to gel in one game with limited time together.

I think we can do it.   (BTW, B Gibbs omitted again. New coach not impressed?? ....could be curtains)
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 12, 2020, 02:07:37 pm
7 changes is a heck of a lot of changes and difficult for some of the newbies to gel in one game with limited time together.

I think we can do it.   (BTW, B Gibbs omitted again. New coach not impressed?? ....could be curtains)
We Are Carlton
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: rocky on June 12, 2020, 02:08:43 pm
Jack Silvagni out
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: deepbluesee on June 12, 2020, 02:30:26 pm
At team selection time I was looking for the listed emergencies but didn't see any announced. Never actually thinking one would be needed... alas.... One already....
Who is the obvious/best replacement?
Matt Kennedy seems the logical size and shape best fit.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: townsendcalling on June 12, 2020, 04:12:34 pm
Emergencies:  Williamson, Kennedy, Philps,  Lang.

Pleeeease, not LANG!!!
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: LP on June 12, 2020, 04:25:30 pm
Jack Silvagni out
Gastro, that would be an evil word at the moment!

I'd give Philps a crack.

I think we look a bit top heavy for Etihad, Docklands, Downtown or Marvel, whatever it's called. It's a pretty hard and fast ground, that usually suits runners not Titanics.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Baggers on June 12, 2020, 05:04:32 pm
Emergencies:  Williamson, Kennedy, Philps,  Lang.

Pleeeease, not LANG!!!

Reckon it'll be Kennedy. Proven goal kicker/forward.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: JonDorotich on June 12, 2020, 05:20:14 pm
Emergencies:  Williamson, Kennedy, Philps,  Lang.

Pleeeease, not LANG!!!

Lang it is
I would have gone for Willo
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 12, 2020, 05:23:10 pm
Lang it is
I would have gone for Willo


Agree...Williamson is a good match up for some of the Melbourne players IMO and gives
us a bit more grunt.
2nd choice would be Kennedy...
Last choice would be Lang....
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: flyboy77 on June 12, 2020, 05:30:52 pm
Reckon it'll be Kennedy. Proven goal kicker/forward.


Bizarre to choose Lang.

Kennedy could be played mid or forward.

More credible than Lang in either role....
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: cookie2 on June 12, 2020, 05:36:31 pm

Bizarre to choose Lang.

Kennedy could be played mid or forward.

More credible than Lang in either role....

Agree, scratching my head with that one.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: flyboy77 on June 12, 2020, 05:55:15 pm
Cripps will have Clayton Oliver and Harmes for company......
I think we can win this game, Melbourne have gone with a more mobile team but have a few inexperienced kids as well
and IMO we have a better balanced team.

re: Wines...think Cripps might have him as a team-mate next season....

I think their back line is very ordinary.

May? Meh. Small for a KPP defender and slow.

Lever? Yeah, very good as a loose 3rd tall floating across the ground but as a 2nd KPP defender? Nope.

He might negate McGovern (might) but the Guv is a bloody clever footballer.

Granted, they've got some run out of defence eg Salem, Harmes and Jetta but no one to man up big Levi, Betts is way too good for any of their small defenders and Martin, well Martin is simply elite.

Wouldn't surprise me if Martin kicks 7 tomorrow.

Their midfield is slow (more one dimensional than ours) and lacks class. Oliver is not class. Viney is tough but then....Bennell is potentially a gem but yet, he's a major question mark.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 12, 2020, 06:11:48 pm
Lang it is
I would have gone for Willo

They have got to be farken kidding me! Any wonder the club isn't moving fwd.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 12, 2020, 06:13:50 pm
If Tiggers and The Filth managed 10.12, this might be a nil all draw with both sides having a history of failing to score goals.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Baggers on June 12, 2020, 06:19:59 pm
Well, I would have thought Lang to be the last of those 4 to get a call up... would have to be a 'pace' call.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Professer E on June 12, 2020, 07:50:58 pm
We're tanking already.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Thryleon on June 12, 2020, 09:25:59 pm
Cripps will have Clayton Oliver and Harmes for company......
I think we can win this game, Melbourne have gone with a more mobile team but have a few inexperienced kids as well
and IMO we have a better balanced team.

re: Wines...think Cripps might have him as a team-mate next season....

How's that for me mixing up to players and looking like a nuffie.

Been too long.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: shawny on June 13, 2020, 01:24:22 am
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Just when I start to see a team I don’t mind on paper a late change shock comes in.

Lang is cooked. Enough chances already. Surely Willo was a better option.

We will know we have built a strong list when players of this caliber are not in it.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: crashlander on June 13, 2020, 11:47:07 am
Lang was doing a little better in the 2nd half of last year, but he would have been my last choice. I would have gone with Philp. Real pace is an asset at Marvel.
Title: Re: Pre Game premonitions: AFL Rd 2: Carlton V Melbourne (Sat 13/6 4.35)
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 13, 2020, 04:27:42 pm
Ready to go, bounce the ball and lets see whats changed