Poll
Question:
Who were your top 3, WORST on ground?
Option 1: 1 - Walker
votes: 12
Option 2: 2 - Menzel
votes: 0
Option 3: 3 - Murphy
votes: 0
Option 4: 4 - Gibbs
votes: 0
Option 5: 6 - Simpson
votes: 0
Option 6: 7 - Buckley (subbed off)
votes: 0
Option 7: 11 - Warnock
votes: 11
Option 8: 13 - Yarran
votes: 0
Option 9: 14 - McLean
votes: 2
Option 10: 15 - Docherty
votes: 0
Option 11: 17 - Rowe
votes: 0
Option 12: 23 - Henderson
votes: 28
Option 13: 27 - Armfield
votes: 1
Option 14: 30 - Waite
votes: 0
Option 15: 33 - Everitt
votes: 0
Option 16: 38 - Garlett (Started sub)
votes: 17
Option 17: 39 - Thomas
votes: 1
Option 18: 40 - Jamison
votes: 1
Option 19: 41 - Casboult
votes: 4
Option 20: 42 - Tuohy
votes: 10
Option 21: 43 - White
votes: 1
Option 22: 46 - Ellard
votes: 15
Tough battle tonight. Which troops let us down.
Hard to pick the third but to me Walker has unbelievably become a bottom six player and who knows what the fork is wrong with Hendo.
Cannot believe how little impact Garlett has coming in as a sub on a MCG, he should have been tearing the sluggish Crows a new one!
Lots of players tonight played some very ordinary football full of mistakes, they owe the win to a handful of players!
Hard to pick the third but to me Walker has unbelievably become a bottom six player and who knows what the fork is wrong with Hendo.
Henderson had a poor pre-season...same as 2011.
He wasn't special again tonight but he'll probably be better in the second half of the year. In the meantime he's getting game time and match fitness and that will be an advantage in the games to come.
Hard to pick the third but to me Walker has unbelievably become a bottom six player and who knows what the fork is wrong with Hendo.
Henderson had a poor pre-season...same as 2011.
He wasn't special again tonight but he'll probably be better in the second half of the year. In the meantime he's getting game time and match fitness and that will be an advantage in the games to come.
Hendo could be a chance to be rested next week
Forget Jeffy as he was the sub but I can't split Hendo, Walker and 2E for worst on ground. Hendo's form is of particular concern.
Hard to pick the third but to me Walker has unbelievably become a bottom six player and who knows what the fork is wrong with Hendo.
Henderson had a poor pre-season...same as 2011.
He wasn't special again tonight but he'll probably be better in the second half of the year. In the meantime he's getting game time and match fitness and that will be an advantage in the games to come.
Hendo could be a chance to be rested next week
Despite the fact he's struggling he takes a key defender....and he kicked 5 against the Bulldogs
Keep playing him. ;)
He cramped at the end with that shoot at goal. Something. Ain't right there :-\
Hendo was the only one who really concerned me.
Might be time for him to spend a little time down back to regain some confidence and touch, though with a gig against BrisVegas coming up he might snag a few.
A good few blokes made some silly mistakes and faded in and out of the game but did their bit when we needed that little extra. Trying to find another two blokes (apart from Hendo) would be just for the sake of it.
Terrific team effort.
He cramped at the end with that shoot at goal. Something. Ain't right there :-\
His cramping tells me he's working his backside off.
Forwards, like backlines MUST work together.
Hendo, Waite and Cas got some diabolical service but Menzel got about 5 lace out passes.
Who do you want kicking for goal? Give me Menzel everytime.
Henderson didn't have a ripper, but I understand Lods saying he takes a key tall defender. Ellard wasn't good with his disposals tonight and looked to be butter fingers at times. Garlett didn't do much when he came on, but I won't grill him too much for his performance. They were my 3.
Walker easily
Warnock Got pantsed by Jacobs all day
Hard to split Tuohy, Ellard and maybe Hendo but I think the latter two worked their butts off.
Tuohy has really lost his confidence at the moment. I hope he doesn't become a liability for us, because his better games have been complete blinders in the past. I don't know what to make of Walker. Should we try him in a different role to build his confidence up ?
Garlett? He played one quarter.
Garlett? He played one quarter.
And had zero impact, subs have to come on an have some influence or they may as well be in the 2s instead!
Garlett? He played one quarter.
And had zero impact, subs have to come on an have some influence or they may as well be in the 2s instead!
Riiiiight, I see you gave Casboult his weekly votes. ;)
Riiiiight, I see you gave Casboult his weekly votes. ;)
Both of me! ;)
Using your mod privileges again?
Garlett? He played one quarter.
Unfortunately that is what happens when you are subbed on. If you don't turn it on with 7 to 10 stats that are effective to create scoring opportunities, you appear to have had little impact on the game. Especially when the rest of the players have been run off their legs for the first 3 quarters. I'm not saying he was bad, but he didn't get a chance to do much either. That is what a sub is for. To turn it on, run and carry, and bury the opposition. Especially with his foot speed. I still want him to play more games. He is a gun when he is hot. Similar to Yarran.
Tuohy has really lost his confidence at the moment. I hope he doesn't become a liability for us, because his better games have been complete blinders in the past. I don't know what to make of Walker. Should we try him in a different role to build his confidence up ?
I thought 2E was ok, 1AW was very ordinary, ditto Hendo, JaMo so so. Ellard slotted a very valuable goal at an important stage of the game - offers more than Jeff G. on the latter's current form (which is sad as Garlett is a 50 goal a season guy on song).
Garlett just needed a few things to go his way. There were few efforts in his play where the ball just fell short of breaking through congestion, had it done so his impact would have undeniable.
Garlett just needed a few things to go his way. There were few efforts in his play where the ball just fell short of breaking through congestion, had it done so his impact would have undeniable.
Oh sure, but that can be said about pretty much any player in any game.....
Garlett is as out of form as one can be.....even if the reasons are personal......
Garlett just needed a few things to go his way. There were few efforts in his play where the ball just fell short of breaking through congestion, had it done so his impact would have undeniable.
Oh sure, but that can be said about pretty much any player in any game.....
Garlett is as out of form as one can be.....even if the reasons are personal......
Yeah I know, I just have a soft spot for him, I would have loved a shoot out at each end of the ground last night, with him at one end and Betts at the other. Hope he gets it together, he's a sincere kid
Breaking the whole team I'm taking this stance.
1, Simmo
2, Docherty
3, Menzel
4, Murphy
5, Everitt
6, Gibbs
7, Yarran
8, Thomas
9, Waite
10, McLean
11, White
12, Buckley
13, Jamison
14, Casboult
15, Armfield
16, Rowe,
17, Tuohy
18, Walker
19, Henderson
20, Ellard
21, Warnock
22, Garlett
Red = Pass mark
Bit rough JK having The Bolt in the blue zone.
Did you see that goal he finally kicked and that tackle and those marks, did alright in the ruck too.
Played better than Warnock.
I like him and hopefully he has turned the corner with his kicking ( there were a lot worse kickers playing last night) ::)
@JK
Blue should be a pass... Red for fail :D
Thought Rowe should come up into that top section, Mick praised Armfield in his presser so must have been happy with his game
The real worry is Walker.
He still hasn't had a good game this year.
His mistakes are way to common for someone of his experience.
Seriously at the crossroads
Walker, Warnock and Touhy........AW is really off his game and I though Jacobs towelled Warnock.
Touhy was woeful IMO and has been for a while..
If Walker didn't have credits in the bank he would've been dropped by now. Has to be gradually running out.
Some people on here must have a real hatred for casboult.
How you could have him in the worst 3 players is beyond me.
The real worry is Walker.
He still hasn't had a good game this year.
His mistakes are way to common for someone of his experience.
Seriously at the crossroads
This. Perhaps need to be played forward again?
Thought Casboult, Army were at least 'adequate.
Walker has never been great as a spoiling defender, he's there to run, carry and kick which, I think he did pretty well.
Chose some good options and his kicking was better than some recent games.
Yes, this is true, but there was one Eddie Betts goal that summed up just how much work we need to do defensively with our team defense.
Okay, Walker dont spoil yourself, but when Yarran is sitting under a rain maker, and the only opposition player in sight is Eddie Betts, you have to do more to keep him away from Yarran or at worst, sit on Betts and ensure that IF Yarran doesnt take the grab for whatever reason, you are at worst goal side of Betts to stop him from slotting an easy goal.
That was a moment that almost blew us the game. Something for Walks to think about for sure. He can improve it, he just needs to think his way through his actions better.
Yes, this is true, but there was one Eddie Betts goal that summed up just how much work we need to do defensively with our team defense.
Okay, Walker dont spoil yourself, but when Yarran is sitting under a rain maker, and the only opposition player in sight is Eddie Betts, you have to do more to keep him away from Yarran or at worst, sit on Betts and ensure that IF Yarran doesnt take the grab for whatever reason, you are at worst goal side of Betts to stop him from slotting an easy goal.
That was a moment that almost blew us the game. Something for Walks to think about for sure. He can improve it, he just needs to think his way through his actions better.
No Thryleon, Walker can't improve his defensive skills. He's been making the same mistakes for years. He STILL pulls his opposition players jumpers and thinks that the umpires aren't looking out for that. he still locks his arms around theirs and thinks that the umpires don't know that he's doing that. I can tell him for an absolute fact, that the umps know exactly what he is doing and are watching out for it.
This is one reason why he needs to be played up forward. The second reason, he can't hit a target coming out of the backline. he would only have a 25% success rate, and I'm probably being generous about that.
The real test as to the accuracy of what i am saying, and this applies to opinions that i express in a negative sentiment about other players, is this.
How many of you, when you see that walker has the ball and is running out of the back line, sit back in your chair at the ground or arm chair at home, completely relaxed in the knowledge that he will actually hit one of our players on the chest?
Some people on here must have a real hatred for casboult.
How you could have him in the worst 3 players is beyond me.
Better ask those who had him their three best, they might know the answer?
Some people on here must have a real hatred for casboult.
How you could have him in the worst 3 players is beyond me.
Better ask those who had him their three best, they might know the answer?
That doesn't even make sense..
Seeing you answered I take it you had him... ;) Well that explains it.
That doesn't even make sense..
Seeing you answered I take it you had him... ;) Well that explains it.
I suppose you voted Thomas WOG DH?
If you watch the replay you can confirm Casboult had 7 clangers, more than any other Carlton player.
2 x Kicks into the man on the mark.
3 x Direct handballs to an opponent.
2 x Spilled uncontested marks.
That doesn't even make sense..
Seeing you answered I take it you had him... ;) Well that explains it.
I suppose you voted Thomas WOG DH?
If you watch the replay you can confirm Casboult had 7 clangers, more than any other Carlton player.
2 x Kicks into the man on the mark.
3 x Direct handballs to an opponent.
2 x Spilled uncontested marks.
No i like Thomas and thought he played well.. You must have mistaken me for someone else..
I had Ellard, Hendo and 2E.
Walker was close..
On Casboult he also kicked a goal, chased down Rutten, put a hard chase on Dangerfield, provided a contest all day, dished off the goal to Yazz after marking, and helped out in the ruck.
So who were your 3 LP?? Hmmm?
Sorry but LOL @ Thomas WOG whoever that was.
Sorry but LOL @ Thomas WOG whoever that was.
I thought he struggled but lifted in the final term to get us over the line and certainly wasn't in our bottom 3.
I'm still shocked that 14 posters on here voted for a guy who played one quarter.
Sorry but LOL @ Thomas WOG whoever that was.
On Thomas, not sure if anyone saw the Malthouse interview before the game... ??
He explained a fair bit about Thomas's injury... A few points:
# He was meant to miss the first 6 games this year but is 6 weeks ahead of progress.
# He had a total ankle reconstruction which usually takes a year to get over
# Mick had the same operation when he was playing.
# Basically said that he had like a "duck foot" before the operation (all his life) and now it goes the other way after the operation. So in effect had to really train himself to kick again and this has been a big reason why his kicking has struggled.
It was good to hear someone explain it because really we were all only ever told he had an ankle operation and that was about it.
Going by that, it was a poor decision to get him TBH. That many issues it's not funny. Time will tell if he gets back to his best.
Going by that, it was a poor decision to get him TBH. That many issues it's not funny. Time will tell if he gets back to his best.
Wheres that glass half full... :D
Going by that, it was a poor decision to get him TBH. That many issues it's not funny. Time will tell if he gets back to his best.
Wheres that glass half full... :D
Dude, the glass was shattered ages ago.
Any attempt to retain the remaining water needs to be sucked up off the ground through a straw.
Given Mick had the EXACT same thing, you'd think he'd have a fair idea on what was required to get back to normal. Given he knows Daisy better than anyone, he was pretty confident that he could and would overcome this issue.
Considering, Daisy is 6 weeks ahead of schedule, kudos to Mick and his reading of the situation.
FWIW, Daisy had his 12 months off when he was on Collingwoods list. They paid for the surgery and the recovery. >:D
Going by that, it was a poor decision to get him TBH. That many issues it's not funny. Time will tell if he gets back to his best.
Wheres that glass half full... :D
Dude, the glass was shattered ages ago.
Any attempt to retain the remaining water needs to be sucked up off the ground through a straw.
Given Mick had the EXACT same thing, you'd think he'd have a fair idea on what was required to get back to normal. Given he knows Daisy better than anyone, he was pretty confident that he could and would overcome this issue.
Considering, Daisy is 6 weeks ahead of schedule, kudos to Mick and his reading of the situation.
FWIW, Daisy had his 12 months off when he was on Collingwoods list. They paid for the surgery and the recovery. >:D
Yeah but he came back last year, played a few games and then had more issues with it from memory and then more surgery so maybe it wasn't over a year before he played..
So who were your 3 LP?? Hmmm?
Hendo, Garlett and Casboult.
Hendo has it going wrong, not sure what is up with him looks lost.
Garlett did nada in 35 minutes of football, he made Robin Nahas look proficient.
Casboult did some nice things but had way too many clanger moments, 1 or 2 is excusable, but if you have 7 you would need to kick 10 goals or have 40 possessions just to break even. 1 bad is not equal 1 good in football.
Henderson just didn't get near the pill, Casboult's good work didn't go anywhere near making up for some shocking errors and Warnock got a football lesson from Sauce Jacobs.
Henderson just didn't get near the pill, Casboult's good work didn't go anywhere near making up for some shocking errors and Warnock got a football lesson from Sauce Jacobs.
Yet the coaches love the sort of game that was played on Sunday, the hard fought treacle that is modern AFL football. I presume this is because the scrums and nil all draw stoppages offer them the time to think and make a decision. But free flowing football evolves to quickly for the coaches to have any real control!
Sorry but LOL @ Thomas WOG whoever that was.
I thought he struggled but lifted in the final term to get us over the line and certainly wasn't in our bottom 3.
I'm still shocked that 14 posters on here voted for a guy who played one quarter.
I voted for Jeff.
It was hard to find a bottom 3 actually. Everyone did something to impact the match which is probably why we won.
I had Henderson first but I did that due to his out on the full rather than passing off. Could have cost us the game and he was cramping with Tuohy near by. Should have passed the kick on.
I voted Warnock because I think Jacobs took him to the cleaners.
I then went with Garlett for nothing other than not really making an impact when he came on.
It could easily have been Ellard or Walker too, but I thought they did a bit more when the heat was on to help us win.
Thats all.
I voted for Jeff.
It was hard to find a bottom 3 actually. Everyone did something to impact the match which is probably why we won.
I had Henderson first but I did that due to his out on the full rather than passing off. Could have cost us the game and he was cramping with Tuohy near by. Should have passed the kick on.
I voted Warnock because I think Jacobs took him to the cleaners.
I then went with Garlett for nothing other than not really making an impact when he came on.
It could easily have been Ellard or Walker too, but I thought they did a bit more when the heat was on to help us win.
Thats all.
Fair enough, it is games like Sunday's when the mistakes are the problem so I accept your assessment.
I didn't vote 206 as there is just a basic underlying issue, Jacobs is just better and there is not much 206 can do about it. When 206 comes up against blokes who work hard around the ground and can mark 206 is going to look very ordinary.