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Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #15
our recruitment over the years has totally stuffed the place.WE have to get this years draft correct and last years well  21 yr old who hasnt played yet better pay of or else we will get mauled by media

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #16
our recruitment over the years has totally stuffed the place.WE have to get this years draft correct and last years well  21 yr old who hasnt played yet better pay of or else we will get mauled by media

Maybe thats why Mick wont play him....if he fails in his first couple of games then Mick will get a another bake....

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #17
Maybe Mick won't play him because he isn't ready?

Why doesn't Mick play Buckley? Buckley is 6 months older than Boekhorst but has only played 9 senior matches.

We have 2 rookies who are older than Boekhorst who haven't played a game yet. Why don't we play them if age is all that matters?

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #18
Maybe Mick won't play him because he isn't ready?

Why doesn't Mick play Buckley? Buckley is 6 months older than Boekhorst but has only played 9 senior matches.

We have 2 rookies who are older than Boekhorst who haven't played a game yet. Why don't we play them if age is all that matters?

Mick said he is too light and not consistent enough....maybe he should have weighed him before Rodgers called out his name.
Buckley cant get a kick in the NB's...yet Mick has him in line for a game ahead of Boekhorst along with V. Rainbow....both have done nothing in the NB,s this season.
Yet Mick says he wont just give games to youth for the sake of being seen to rebuild.....
I dont know a coach who changes his logic daily and sends so many confusing messages to supporters/media like MM...maybe thats how he coaches on match day....

We all know the plan was to recruit 21-24 year olds so we could get some young experienced players onto the list who could play straight away and cut some development corners..Boekhorst recruiting was part of that plan being a WAFL player with a few seasons under his belt.
He hasnt set the world on fire preseason and everyone with half a brain knows he is struggling with the physical aspects of the AFL game and his light frame is an issue...
Clem Smith was preferred to him...if Smith was/is more ready that Boekhorst then I know why Mick is hiding him in the NB's... :(


Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #19
Mick said he is too light and not consistent enough....maybe he should have weighed him before Rodgers called out his name.
Buckley cant get a kick in the NB's...yet Mick has him in line for a game ahead of Boekhorst along with V. Rainbow....both have done nothing in the NB,s this season.
Yet Mick says he wont just give games to youth for the sake of being seen to rebuild.....
I dont know a coach who changes his logic daily and sends so many confusing messages to supporters/media like MM...maybe thats how he coaches on match day....

Is there some part of that that you can't understand.

We NEED to pick someone to come in to cover Yarran.

He is not going to pick a kid for the sake of picking a kid.
He does have to pick someone though.
Boeky is not ready, so that means he has to look elsewhere. Buckley and Rainbow are more ready by comparison.....as is Dick and Tutt which were all mentioned in the same breath.

Given that someone does actually need to come into the side in Yarrans absence...who do you want to come in?

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #20
Is there some part of that that you can't understand.

We NEED to pick someone to come in to cover Yarran.

He is not going to pick a kid for the sake of picking a kid.
He does have to pick someone though.
Boeky is not ready, so that means he has to look elsewhere. Buckley and Rainbow are more ready by comparison.....as is Dick and Tutt which were all mentioned in the same breath.

Given that someone does actually need to come into the side in Yarrans absence...who do you want to come in?

Byrne to the half back flank...BB as sub....too easy...

The others cant get a kick in the NB's how can they be ready?..Micks idea of ready was Smith in rnd 1 and 2...go figure ::)

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #21
Byrne to the half back flank...BB as sub....too easy...

The others cant get a kick in the NB's how can they be ready?..Micks idea of ready was Smith in rnd 1 and 2...go figure ::)

If we go on form, Whiley into the midfield and Carrazzo to the HBF.

Jaksch in for Jamison, Boekhorst in for Ellard.
The Force Awakens!

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #22
Byrne to the half back flank...BB as sub....too easy...

The others cant get a kick in the NB's how can they be ready?..Micks idea of ready was Smith in rnd 1 and 2...go figure ::)

So you want to play a kid who is deemed not ready and that is your solution?

Why are others who can't get a kick deemed ready??
Maybe because....
a) They are physically more mature.
b) They are mentally more mature.
c) They are not lacking in confidence in their own abilities.
d) A combination of any or all of the above

There are a million reasons why a player is deemed not ready, and why a player IS deemed ready.

Rather than acknowledge that is even a possibility, you'd prefer to say its a personal prejudice that Mick has setup to save his own bacon.

FMD you guys need to run your theories past someone before you post them for all to see.

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #23
So you want to play a kid who is deemed not ready and that is your solution?

Why are others who can't get a kick deemed ready??
Maybe because....
a) They are physically more mature.
b) They are mentally more mature.
c) They are not lacking in confidence in their own abilities.
d) A combination of any or all of the above

There are a million reasons why a player is deemed not ready, and why a player IS deemed ready.

Rather than acknowledge that is even a possibility, you'd prefer to say its a personal prejudice that Mick has setup to save his own bacon.

FMD you guys need to run your theories past someone before you post them for all to see.

Smith is around the same weight as BB has less WAFL games and is younger...yet he gets two games based on what...mentally more mature...
Well that showed in rounds 1 and 2 didnt it...

V Rainbow has one game of VFL footy to his name and a couple of practice games..isnt that big either and has done nothing to earn a game.

Boekhorst doesnt appear to lack confidence...his ex coach Greg Harding said he is ready to go...it appears your man Mick is the only one who cant see
what is obvious to most...or maybe he can..

FMD you guys need to run your theories past someone before you post them for all to see.....that someone being you??? ;D ;D ;D

You dont approve of posters having opinions on a forum for opinion..???....




Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #24
Smith is the same weight, but 3 inches shorter.
Physically he is more ready for the bash and crash of AFL football. That is clear for everyone to see. That is why he got games early. He wouldn't get hurt.

Boeky is an outside runner who requires others to get him his football. Rainbow can get his own ball.

Look, i'm all for giving Boeky a run this week, but if anyone knows if he is ready, its the senior coach.

As mentioned above, maybe its just a mental/confidence thing.

Clarko was talking about coaching, specifically, with the benfit of hindsight and the information you had on hand at the time. Would you have done anything differently. He talked about Zac Dawson being left on Rocca early in his career. Rocca flogged him, ragdolled him and kicked plenty on him. Clarko and co thought they'd keep him on him as it would be good for his development. In hindsight, that shattered his confidence and Clarko admitted it was the wrong thing to do. Playing him too early, and putting him in a position he wasn't ready for set him back weeks.

But nah, Mick is only looking after his own interests and not that of the kid. Get a clue!


Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #25
factions dont give a fk about the welfare of the football club
ultimately, its driven by greed and competitiveness to undo and undermine
each other for the purpose of their own victory.
The club is just a host for these fleas

Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #26
Smith is the same weight, but 3 inches shorter.
Physically he is more ready for the bash and crash of AFL football. That is clear for everyone to see. That is why he got games early. He wouldn't get hurt.

Boeky is an outside runner who requires others to get him his football. Rainbow can get his own ball.

Look, i'm all for giving Boeky a run this week, but if anyone knows if he is ready, its the senior coach.

As mentioned above, maybe its just a mental/confidence thing.

Clarko was talking about coaching, specifically, with the benfit of hindsight and the information you had on hand at the time. Would you have done anything differently. He talked about Zac Dawson being left on Rocca early in his career. Rocca flogged him, ragdolled him and kicked plenty on him. Clarko and co thought they'd keep him on him as it would be good for his development. In hindsight, that shattered his confidence and Clarko admitted it was the wrong thing to do. Playing him too early, and putting him in a position he wasn't ready for set him back weeks.

But nah, Mick is only looking after his own interests and not that of the kid. Get a clue!

What about Watson and Graham?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!


Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #28
Smith is the same weight, but 3 inches shorter.
Physically he is more ready for the bash and crash of AFL football. That is clear for everyone to see. That is why he got games early. He wouldn't get hurt.

Boeky is an outside runner who requires others to get him his football. Rainbow can get his own ball.

Look, i'm all for giving Boeky a run this week, but if anyone knows if he is ready, its the senior coach.

As mentioned above, maybe its just a mental/confidence thing.

Clarko was talking about coaching, specifically, with the benfit of hindsight and the information you had on hand at the time. Would you have done anything differently. He talked about Zac Dawson being left on Rocca early in his career. Rocca flogged him, ragdolled him and kicked plenty on him. Clarko and co thought they'd keep him on him as it would be good for his development. In hindsight, that shattered his confidence and Clarko admitted it was the wrong thing to do. Playing him too early, and putting him in a position he wasn't ready for set him back weeks.

But nah, Mick is only looking after his own interests and not that of the kid. Get a clue!

Get a clue?...thats choice coming from someone who defended Hughes and Rodgers who were one of the main reasons the club is in the mess it is in now.....
You want to run my theories by someone else and then tell me to get a clue after you supported Hughes and Rodgers???...get some runs on the board and credibility would be my response.
You are 2 for 0 at the moment and when Malthouse gets the boot you will be 3-0.....you have my permission to run that by someone else too....





Re: What is wrong with Carlton

Reply #29
Our problem is that we've never junked the idea that you can buy a flag with a cheque book.
When we were in the pits 10 years ago we threw a bucket of money at Pagan, when that didn't work and membership was hitting the skids we hired a Carlton legend to "bring back the Carlton swagger" and pump up membership and sponsor numbers, when that didn't work we threw a bucket of money at Malthouse.
At no time since 1995 has anyone at the club embraced the realities of the draft and salary cap and adapted the club to the modern era of building premierships from the ground up, so here we are today.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.