Carlton Supporters Club

@ Kruddler

The simple difference between the good old days of Sellers and The Dominator is that then the guys were semi-professionals. Now of course they are full-time professional athletes. There's a big difference in the approach with a lot more expectation on players to do all the right things by their employers and customers - in summary they must provide full value and be seen to be doing all the right things. It was very different back then when as long as you pulled a rabbit out of the hat on match day, many other things off field could be forgiven.

I don't buy that.

Why can Hawthorn do today what we were able to do then? Are Hawthorn not full time professional athletes? I think they are.

The crux of the problem at our club is we don't know how to achieve success in the modern era. Off-field and on. A cultural change is required to drag us into the modern era in all facets of the game.

In terms of the players, that is something that they can control themselves. They can demand commitment from each other. They set their own team rules (to an extent) and they can enforce them. They can punish themselves should they transgress. If the players are not on board to begin with, what hope do we have?

Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.

I think you misunderstood. I was saying that WE have failed here, not that others have. I agree that the Hawks are one of the benchmarks of the new era. What I was saying is that people like Sellers repeatedly talking about "his day" is not helpful ant not really all that relevant to our current predicament. We need to be more like the Hawks of today and less like the Blues of old.

He said if you wanted to play along side Wayne Johnson in our forward line you knew what you had to bring and if you couldn't deliver then the leadership group would toss you to the kerb

I think what Sellers says rings true in relative terms.
As i said before, i think the key is this.
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
Thats all sellers wants. Players demanding success from their teammates and ensuring it comes.

I think what Sellers says rings true in relative terms.
As i said before, i think the key is this.
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
Thats all sellers wants. Players demanding success from their teammates and ensuring it comes.

At the moment it has an identity crisis at it struggles to shake off the rich filth that covers every aspect of the club.

At the moment it has an identity crisis at it struggles to shake off the rich filth that covers every aspect of the club.

Filthy rich tend to think that you can just go out and buy whatever you want and solve your problems that way. Hasn't worked like that in the AFL for some years now - wonder when the penny will drop for them. The rest of the membership of course aren't filthy rich.......just effin' filthy!!

Cookie...Just thought I would congratulate you on your Brownlow medal...

Cookie...Just thought I would congratulate you on your Brownlow medal...