With a less than inspiring Practice Match series and a load of players not fully fit, the opening round is beginning to look ... less than optimal.
[1] Ruck: Big problem so far with Kreuzer no where near 100 %. Our back-ups are d Koning, who is developing, but who isn't ready yet, and Pittonet, who offers something different, but who does not have many runs on the board against mature ruckmen.
[2] On-Ballers: Not looking all that good, although Cripps and Walsh appear to be going well.
[3] Tall forwards: At the moment, only Levi has shown anything. McGovern did nothing today. Charlie Curnow won't be playing for half a year and probably won't be near his best until next year. H hasn't played at all, and is extremely unlikely to line up for the first game.
[4] Defenders: We haven't seen the full defence yet. At least Jones appeared to have played reasonably today. Williamson and Docherty were good against Collingwood, but haven't done much since.
[5] Recruits: At the moment, this area is not looking promising. Martin has done OK, and we know what Eddie Betts can do, but Newnes has not excited and the rest are kids. The other younger players appear to have stagnated, other than Walsh.
[6] Our skills do not appear to have improved. We still ruin too many chances.
[7] Our pressure has been very low in the last 2 games. Nor has there been any clear tactical or strategic change visible at this time.
I hate being so negative less than 2 weeks before the season starts, and I know practice match form is not a great indication of how we may play, but at the moment, I couldn't see us as anything but rank under-dogs. If we manage to win, it will be a huge turnaround.
yep
We are crap.
With the rucks, I have always thought Kruze and Cas were our best combo in recent times. They weren't so good last night which is a concern. Kruze got spanked, when Levi went into the middle, he was very ordinary. Maybe we need to give Pitto a go, can't be any worse.
Almost impossible to expect change when we pick up fringe players from bottom teams year after year at the trade table because for whatever reason we just can’t get any real proven talent in the door - doing that puts all the heat on the kids to elevate their game otherwise we just can’t improve.
Loins were able to add Neale and Cameron who are both AA players in year 3. we haven’t added anyone even remotely close to that quality since the rebuild started. Love to see how they would go if you replaced neale and Cameron with 2 fringe banana players from our list. Reckon then the results would almost be reversed which would show why our failures at the trade table will again yield failures on the field.
We miss on papely and then rejoice getting a 34 year old when we bang on year and after year we will not recruit older blokes. But have no room for Daisy who probably played his best season with us over Simpson who looks cooked and also decide to keep Lang and Polson and waste time on playing them in the practice matches. Stupid is too soft a word.
We are now that dumb as a club we use our first pick in the last draft on a bloke that just did his acl and won’t even play this year. Like that’s a move a top 2 team has the luxury of making not a farking bottom team. And there are still some on her that think that was a great move too.
I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?
Ed C? Didn't see him much either?
Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....
Cuners should have played - he can add spark.
Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.
Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.
Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.
After watching our pathetic effort yesterday I watched about half of the Richmond v Giants match. What a reality check.
We are so far off the pace of the top sides - years in fact.
I hate to admit it but the result of our recruiting over the past five years has left the cupboard bare with few players with the necessary skills to match the best of the top eight sides.
It doesn't matter who we have as coach. We seem to be stacked with players with mediocre skills at best who will never get better, only older. And players who promise so much but are not able to deliver consistently.
Then we have the injury prone Charlie and Harry who we expected by now to be leaders in our move up the ladder. Who knows when and if they will deliver in the future.
I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?
Ed C? Didn't see him much either?
Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....
Cuners should have played - he can add spark.
Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.
Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.
Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.
Those names especially together with a few others like Poulson, Harry and McGovern are just not delivering the goods at the moment. If they were we would be be in a vastly better place. At this stage I can only hope things will get better BUT I'm not holding my breath. Wish I could be a little more positive.
Those names especially together with a few others like Poulson, Harry and McGovern are just not delivering the goods at the moment. If they were we would be be in a vastly better place. At this stage I can only hope things will get better BUT I'm not holding my breath. Wish I could be a little more positive.
Did SPS or Kennedy even play in the NBs game?
Polson isn't up to it presently. Likely isn't full stop.
Play the small defender role in the NBs fort half a season and work out how to fix disposal.
After watching our pathetic effort yesterday I watched about half of the Richmond v Giants match. What a reality check.
We are so far off the pace of the top sides - years in fact.
I hate to admit it but the result of our recruiting over the past five years has left the cupboard bare with few players with the necessary skills to match the best of the top eight sides.
It doesn't matter who we have as coach. We seem to be stacked with players with mediocre skills at best who will never get better, only older. And players who promise so much but are not able to deliver consistently.
Then we have the injury prone Charlie and Harry who we expected by now to be leaders in our move up the ladder. Who knows when and if they will deliver in the future.
yet did you see the Dees-Hawks or Port-Doggies games?
Worse than us!!
I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?
Ed C? Didn't see him much either?
Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....
Cuners should have played - he can add spark.
Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.
Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.
Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.
The issue is fly you are willing to count in blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).
I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.
Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.
Joke.
The issue is fly you are willing to count in blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).
I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.
Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.
Joke.
Just some stats re age of our list.
We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over.
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)
Leaving just 13 senior players (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.
Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.
We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade.
Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.
THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.
We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!
The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute based on the terrible skills on display in the last fortnight. His best was past him for sure and his kicking lacked depth, but he was smarter than most of the blokes on the list and used the ball well when he got it...albeit over small distances. What we wouldn't give at the moment for a few blokes who can kick it 30m straight to a team mate.
I think Martin will be a huge plus once the season gets going. He's one who's got that bit of X-Factor and we haven't got too many of those.
I wouldn't criticise the decision on Kemp just yet. He was very highly rated and looks like a great size and could end up being that Elliot Yeo type who can play nearly anywhere.
But agree on the other points with so many of our younger blokes who've stalled or even gone backwards....Walsh being the exception. Go back to that 2015 draft with Weitering, Curnow, McKay and Cunningham in the top 20. They've all struggled at times with form/fitness/injuries and right now, Weitering is the only one playing! That's a huge hit with blokes coming into their 5th season of footy. Then the likes of Fisher, Dow and O'Brien who just haven't come on and even SPS has been an issue apart from some solid form in some games last year. There's 7 younger players right there that we've been waiting for.
The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute .
It surely can't look any sillier than it did at the time it happened! :o
It's too late now the deal is done, and I doubt we will ever really know the true why and how!
Just some stats re age of our list.
We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over.
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)
Leaving just 13 senior players (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.
Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.
We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade.
Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.
THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.
We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!
It’s not the number we have it’s the lack of quality in it.
The names you mentioned apart from 3-4 don’t exactly put the fear of god in the opposition do they. Like many on here your clinging on to bloke you hope will become players but as the years go on those numbers will start dwinding.
Spin it any way you want but apart from weitering plowman Charlie and maybe McKay the rest are fails or jury out at best till this point.
Good luck hanging a seasons success on that group.
We are now that dumb as a club we use our first pick in the last draft on a bloke that just did his acl and won’t even play this year.
We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available.
We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available.
Im not expecting a saviour from a kid but when you are in need of a boost and a boost in a hurry why select a player that has no chance to play till next year and one that already has a weakness with doing an acl. He will be at least one years development off everyone else taken in the same draft.
Do we have the list that has time to be that patient ? Surely there were other options that outweigh waiting a year before our pick gets his first look. Bet you he would have been there with our second selection. Raised eyebrows on the night and still does imo.
We shouldn’t be expecting our top draft picks to be breaking into the senior team in their first year. Professional teams give them an apprenticeship. He’ll be built up nicely by the time next year comes around and would have been through a full and complete recovery, maybe honing skills along the way!! By all accounts he’s the real deal so let’s see him develop and not consider him a savior who isn’t available.
Im not going to judge the players we just drafted. My issue is the ones that have been there 2,3, 4 and 5 years. So far, aside from a few, I am more on the disappointed side of the ledger.
Which speaks to a reliance on hope more than warranted faith.
It’s not the number we have it’s the lack of quality in it.
The names you mentioned apart from 3-4 don’t exactly put the fear of god in the opposition do they. Like many on here your clinging on to bloke you hope will become players but as the years go on those numbers will start dwinding.
Spin it any way you want but apart from weitering plowman Charlie and maybe McKay the rest are fails or jury out at best till this point.
Good luck hanging a seasons success on that group.
Point is you cannot hang your hat on them, nor rule them out from making it because only NOW are they starting to get to a stage in their development at which you can be certain one way or another.
Point is you cannot hang your hat on them, nor rule them out from making it because only NOW are they starting to get to a stage in their development at which you can be certain one way or another.
I agree with this but the point I’m trying to make is should we be in the position we find ourself in that in year 5 of a rebuild so much of our year depends on these kids taking a big leap.
Looks a lopsided list rather then a balanced one imo.
I agree with this but the point I’m trying to make is should we be in the position we find ourself in that in year 5 of a rebuild so much of our year depends on these kids taking a big leap. Looks a lopsided list rather then a balanced one imo.
Completely agree Shawny. "One step up and two steps back" ... as The Boss sang
Completely agree Shawny. "One step up and two steps back" ... as The Boss sang
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Completely agree Shawny. "One step up and two steps back" ... as The Boss sang
Love the boss !!!
Geez I hope our hopes don’t play out as miserable as many of his ballads.
I agree with this but the point I’m trying to make is should we be in the position we find ourself in that in year 5 of a rebuild so much of our year depends on these kids taking a big leap.
Looks a lopsided list rather then a balanced one imo.
We haven't even played a real game this season folks!
Let's re assess after Rd 1?
Not having Marchbank Rd 1 is no real loss (given the other defenders we have).
SPS will come in and possibly O'Brien for Dow.
I'll get in early! On the assumption there's no Curnow, McKay or Marchbank available for Round 1 (safe to assume on all of those), here's my team:
Plowman Jones Simpson
Newman Weitering Docherty
Fisher Murphy Setterfield
Gibbons McGovern Martin
Betts Casboult Silvagni
Kruezer, Cripps, Walsh
I/C: Dow, Curnow E, SPS, TDK
Quite a few of those lucky to get a gig but seriously, who else is there? Lang, Kennedy, O'Brien, Polson? Without Charlie and Harry I think we need Casboult permanently forward and give TDK a shot as backup ruckman. How they line up will vary but can't see many others forcing their way into the starting 22 based on the two practice games.
I would have Kennedy as a fwd line or midfield back up.
I like Paddy Dow as a prospect but I don't see how he can play round 1 given he has been poor pre season and 18 disposals@39% by foot DE vs the Lions isn't what we can afford vs Richmond who love turn over merchants and build their game around high pressure and rebounding off poor opposition disposals. He needs to be in the NB's fixing these issues and learning how to get more of the ball as he can't command a spot in the seniors with the stats he is producing.
Almost impossible to expect change when we pick up fringe players from bottom teams year after year at the trade table because for whatever reason we just can’t get any real proven talent in the door - doing that puts all the heat on the kids to elevate their game otherwise we just can’t improve.
Loins were able to add Neale and Cameron who are both AA players in year 3. we haven’t added anyone even remotely close to that quality since the rebuild started. Love to see how they would go if you replaced neale and Cameron with 2 fringe banana players from our list. Reckon then the results would almost be reversed which would show why our failures at the trade table will again yield failures on the field.
We miss on papely and then rejoice getting a 34 year old when we bang on year and after year we will not recruit older blokes. But have no room for Daisy who probably played his best season with us over Simpson who looks cooked and also decide to keep Lang and Polson and waste time on playing them in the practice matches. Stupid is too soft a word.
We are now that dumb as a club we use our first pick in the last draft on a bloke that just did his acl and won’t even play this year. Like that’s a move a top 2 team has the luxury of making not a farking bottom team. And there are still some on her that think that was a great move too.
I agree with everything you've said in this post mate. Why do you think SOS got the arese? Because he's sent us into a rebuild of a rebuild... and the Carlton Hierarchy KNOW IT
Hard to seriously discuss trading when using examples of players going home or making lifestyle choices ahead of commercial reasons, it's just not a valid example.
If we want to blame somebody look at the blokes who cut Robinson, Fevola, Garlett and Yarran because they were bad people and they(We/Carlton) wanted them to be somebody else's problem! The same people who claimed Betts wasn't worth an extra $50K/year!
You don't just recruit guys like Fevola and Betts because of what they give you on field 24x7, they might well play one good game in 10, but it's the effect they have on the club and membership as a whole that is more important.
Robinson, we had a club full of passives and we got rid of the only bloke who was willing to fly the flag because of a personal beef, moronic decision making. Unprofessional!
It's those decisions that eventually triggered a rebuild of a rebuild, after years of attempted patching!
All things considered I would be happy to get within 6 goals in round 1. A blow out is not out of the question but it will cause the media and rightly so to hammer us so a highly competitive effort is what I’m looking for.
Us to scores over 75 points would also be nice but unlikely imo.
A lot will be resting on the shoulders of McGovern and casboult which is not ideal -
we can’t allow easy intercept marks in our F50 if we want to not get blow out.
I'm starting to lean towards what IBWT is thinking.....the "rebuild", at least phase one, looks like being less than successful, and phase two will involve sifting through the list and bringing in another big group of kids. Let's be honest, there's a lot of blokes who have been there 4-5 years and done F-all.
We've held onto the likes of MacCreadie, March bank, Polson, Cunningham ET AL for a long time without tangible improvement. I reckon there will be a big clean out and "mid rebuild partial reset" at the end of 2020.
Surely after 4-5 years we should know if some kid is going to be elite. Otherwise, why persist with them?
the boys had a spirited finish to 2019 after Bolts was sacked, and then had their tyres pumped up during pre-season, as happens pretty much everywhere. got a bit cocky and were pretty much smashed by Freo over there, and went hang on, we better pull our fingers out, so they do against the Lions in the first half, and then go back to sleep.
here's my pre round 1 wish.
the boys have been stung by some pretty cutting (and accurate) commentary on the telly and in the media. they need to attack round 1 like they did round 12 last year, and play like their season depends on it. they do that and we'll give the tigers a shake. unlikely we'll win, simply coz it's unlikely most teams can beat the tigers at the moment. but they gotta show some heart and play to the level of commitment that will win them games against lesser clubs than the tigers. not expecting miracles, just a red hot dip, and a red hot dip does deliver the odd miracle...
Professor E.....might've covered this before in other threads but look back at our draft hauls since 2014 (but excluding 2019 as we won't know on that one for a while and excluding rookie/PSD etc):
2014 Boekhurst, Vojo-Rainbow, Smith, Foster
2015 Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cunningham, J. Silvagni
2016 SPS, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Williamson, Kerr
2017 Dow, O'Brien, TDK, Schumacher, J. Garlett
2018 Walsh, Stocker, O'Dwyer, B. Silvagni
2014 was the one that absolutely put us back about 3 years! Those blokes should be coming into their prime into their 5th season. And we gave up pick 7 go get Whiley and Jacksch from GWS and pick 19 or thereabouts which we blew on Boekhurst.
2015 on paper was the winner but only two of those will play Round 1 this year. McKay, Curnow and Cunningham seem to be always injured. I'd argue Silvagni was a good get in hindsight.
For the other years, you can give Walsh the biggest tick of all but of the rest, have any come on like we'd hope and expect?
There's a school of thought that we should have Kennedy playing as a marking forward. He was recruited to be the big bodied midfielder to give Cripps a hand and now we're trying to fashion in into something he isn't? He might have to play that role as a forward without Curnow and Cunningham but his form in the first pre-season game doesn't warrant a spot in the 22 IMO.
On top of the draft picks we've bought in guys like Marchbank, Plowman etc from GWS and Plowman has been okay but Marchbank can't stay out there.
Anything less than significant improvement from the blokes in the 2015-2017 drafts this season will see us having another big cull come seasons end.
Pretty boring here at work. I've got a bit of time on my hands so what follows is a rather lengthy rundown of the team I would play.
BP : Plowman. If fit has to get the gig. Didn't think he was doing that badly on Cameron, but after Charlie got going noone was good enough to stop him. Certainly not Polson? Let's face it he gets a game.
FB : Jones. Has played on and beaten Reiwoldt on previous occasions and don't see that changing.
BP : Simpson. Really, really struggling with this bloke. I have always loved him but I really think he may have gone one year too long. Very hesitantly picked him here.
HB : SPS. Played reasonable well in the bullants game for 3 quarters apparently so I see him coming straight back in.
CHB : Weitering. Think Lynch will play at CHF so Weiters form has been good enough to have first crack.
HB : Docherty. No brainer. Even as rusty as he is, his output is generally better than most and he can only get better.
W : Walsh. Jet. 100% lock.
C : Cripps. Who else.
W : Dow. Was pleasantly surprised by his output on Sunday. Took a few chances and showed a bit. I think we need to build on his confidence by selecting him and playing him on the ground. It may be the tonic he needs
HF : Newnes. Shows some toe but seriously are we a magnet for butchers of the ball? Still gives us some extra run.
CHF : Levi. Not much else in the tank and this bloke has done enough to get a run. Obviously he is also the Kreuzer backup so as long as Kreuz doesn't go to CHF when they change should work well. (Kreuzer, bench McGovern CHF)
HF : Martin. Certainly has done enough to warrant selection and I look forward to him responding to the massive crowd and atmosphere.
FP : Eddie : The old master should be good for a couple and obviously will be a crowd puller just by being there. That is, if they actually let the crowd in!
FF : De Koning : This kid gives a %100 each time he plays and without Rance they'll have to use some good to counter his height. I think he could be the surprise packet of the round. Really impresses me.
FP : Silvagni : Deserves a place in the side and maybe with De Koning taking the heat, maybe Jack doesn't have to compete against 2-3?
RU : Kreuzer. Thought long and hard over this one, but I'm going to take a punt and play the big fella as terrible as he was on Sunday. He gets credits for the amount of times he's carried us.
RR : Curnow. Likely get's the Martin tag. Can go with him but the strength of Martin is the concern.
RO : Murphy. things improved markedly when smurph went onto the ball post Bolton last year, so I'm hoping this will continue. Who knows
INT1 : McGovern. I wouldn't pick him but they have invested so much time and money on this bloke, they can't leave him out just yet. Also he's the logical choice to come on when Kreuzer rests.
INT2 : Williamson. Read the bullant's match report and that was enough for me. Get him in. Mr Utility.
INT3 : Setterfield. Servicable soldier.
INT4 : Newman (for Plowman if he doesn't get up) OR Gibbons,
Firstly thank you to those CSC members who regularly attend Northern Blues matches, practice games etc and then take the trouble to provide us with well considered reports/analysis of the various Carlton players. Always great to hear a "non club" view of how some of these guys are progressing.
Back to the Richmond game and our lack of key forwards. If I remember correctly, Tom DeKonning kicked something like 11 goals in a U18 match, presumably playing at full forward. It would be interesting to see how he would go there against Richmond. Perhaps given the instruction to stay close to the goal square and if he can't mark to knock it down to Eddies & Co. Some years ago (before most of your time ;) ) John Nichols played a simmilar role against the Tigers and we went on to win the premiership. Would have been about 1972 or 1973, I was in NZ at the time. Anyway so much for nostalgia, but we haven't much to lose playing the reigning premiers, so why not try the unconventional.
cheers for now
Adelaideblue
ps. Yes I know.......the game has changed so much since the 1970's ! hmm...Perhaps in some ways not as much as we think, as backmen will still panic if the ball starts coming down there enough. Also Tom D K might worry a few with his height and reach.
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Would have been about 1972 or 1973
Definitely 1972. In 1973, Fowler cleaned up NIck which was the cue for Balme and McLean to run amok without anyone from us to 'enforce.'
Definitely 1972. In 1973, Fowler cleaned up NIck which was the cue for Balme and McLean to run amok without anyone from us to 'enforce.'
Yep, '72. Stroke of coaching genius from Big Nick. I remember it well... Tiggers had the better of us for years so BN parked himself at FF and rucked Percy for the day - threw Hafey out of kilter and the Tiggers had no answer to Big Nick and his indomitable presence at FF. The first half was unbelievable. We'd never seen so many goals in a half of GF footy.
Sadly, the Tiggers got their revenge in '73.
I agree with this but the point I’m trying to make is should we be in the position we find ourself in that in year 5 of a rebuild so much of our year depends on these kids taking a big leap.
Looks a lopsided list rather then a balanced one imo.
This debate has been had many a time.
In summary it goes something like this.
Ideally we would've like to have recruited a few a-graders along the way, but alas, nobody wanted to come.
So we did our best to maximise our draft picks.
Yes, we have too many kids, but its better than trading those picks for hacks from other clubs just because they are older.
So it's essentially plan b that we've gone with due to an inhability to get a-graders via trade/FA.
GI2C......
Where did you get your magnet board from??
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/remarkable-richmond-have-everyone-available-for-round-one-20200311-p548yi.html
GI2C......
Where did you get your magnet board from??
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
At your service Sir
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Yep, '72. Stroke of coaching genius from Big Nick. I remember it well... Tiggers had the better of us for years so BN parked himself at FF and rucked Percy for the day - threw Hafey out of kilter and the Tiggers had no answer to Big Nick and his indomitable presence at FF. The first half was unbelievable. We'd never seen so many goals in a half of GF footy.
Sadly, the Tiggers got their revenge in '73.
Richmond 's Ray Boyanich played on Nicholls .... Nick destroyed him. They lost the game right there. Watched him too closely and Walls had a free run. Mayhem and I LOVED it.
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.
At your service Sir
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Cheers.
I used to use this for years, but then he changed addresses and despite searching for it, i could never find it again.
Thanks.
Cheers.
I used to use this for years, but then he changed addresses and despite searching for it, i could never find it again.
Thanks.
Pays to hang out on other forums
Pays to hang out on other forums
Barely got time to keep up with this one.
....and usually if there is anything cool like that, people post it. Its been years since someone has posted that on this site though.
Go no interest in practice match results. Much depends on what the coach wants. Some ask players to go hard for 20 min, some a half, others a full game. Often coaches just want them to adapt to the physical pressure before round 1. We went hard for a half, looked good, then cruised, swapping things about. So, i'll see how round 1 goes. We are rapidly running out of tall forwards. Harry and Charlie out and McGovern seeming not that fit. Thinking Levi and De Koning will be holding up the tall end of our forward line. The latter has been very good in the lead up games. Maybe Eddie will resume his role as our "tall", go to forward! Haha.
As for next Thursday's game, well, will we have a game? Wouldn't surprise me if we got delayed a month and played a 17 game season, everyone playing each other once, due to the virus. Might help us get some players fit. Fair chance though they might play in front of empty stadiums, although the players simply don't want that.
Go no interest in practice match results. Much depends on what the coach wants. Some ask players to go hard for 20 min, some a half, others a full game. Often coaches just want them to adapt to the physical pressure before round 1. We went hard for a half, looked good, then cruised, swapping things about. So, i'll see how round 1 goes. We are rapidly running out of tall forwards. Harry and Charlie out and McGovern seeming not that fit. Thinking Levi and De Koning will be holding up the tall end of our forward line. The latter has been very good in the lead up games. Maybe Eddie will resume his role as our "tall", go to forward! Haha.
As for next Thursday's game, well, will we have a game? Wouldn't surprise me if we got delayed a month and played a 17 game season, everyone playing each other once, due to the virus. Might help us get some players fit. Fair chance though they might play in front of empty stadiums, although the players simply don't want that.
Agree on the shorter season, Wonder if the AFL will fill the gap with for cash strapped clubs who will miss gate/merch revenue etc?
They should cancel the season and play an 18 team finals series if the virus goes away which it won't.
Based on the Grand Prix decision today, there is no way the AFL can herd 90,000 spectators into close confines at the G. It just can't happen. There is no doubt that someone from that crowd, or the 300,000+ across the weekend will end up testing positive and then all hell will break loose, targeted at the AFL.
Agree townsend...inevitable the season openers will be postponed. The duty of care aspect will simply outweigh the financial implications.
They don't and have never stopped for Influenza, why is this different?
Were any events cancelled for SARS, H1N1, H1N5, Swine Flu, Bird Flu or any of the others? As far as I know there is still no immunization for most of these things and yet they ran Olympics in Bejing after SARS, hypocrisy or politics?
They don't even cancel professional sport in countries rife with Ebola, Hendra or terrorism!
Up in Brisbane Fruit-bats fly over the crowd nearly every night game, just a micro-droplet of Hendra virus kills. Fruit-bats probably fly over The MCG crowd as well!
CMO just advised federal and state governments to ban all events with a gathering of more than 500 people, effective immediately. If Thursday night's game goes ahead, it will be in front of an empty stadium
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/d-day-arrives-afl-set-to-inform-clubs-of-seasons-fate-with-2pm-hook-up-c-743345?fbclid=IwAR3GvjkdTlLtocHysSCW9s8rq-ZgEJZApfZw-ZvD54uvJ6dX2vqJe_9pnyo
The worst thing they can do is lock up all the nutters in a box with no entertainment, things won't end well!
Let the Feds ban crowds, and play the game in empty stadiums free of litigation, the nutters and everybody else can stay home in isolation and be entertained!
They don't and have never stopped for Influenza, why is this different?
Were any events cancelled for SARS, H1N1, H1N5, Swine Flu, Bird Flu or any of the others? As far as I know there is still no immunization for most of these things and yet they ran Olympics in Bejing after SARS, hypocrisy or politics?
They don't even cancel professional sport in countries rife with Ebola, Hendra or terrorism!
Up in Brisbane Fruit-bats fly over the crowd nearly every night game, just a micro-droplet of Hendra virus kills. Fruit-bats probably fly over The MCG crowd as well!
Its the spread rate...1:4 compared to 1:1.3 for normal flu strains...thats why you have to ban public gatherings and any other decent size gatherings.
CMO just advised federal and state governments to ban all events with a gathering of more than 500 people, effective immediately. If Thursday night's game goes ahead, it will be in front of an empty stadium
Its the spread rate...1:4 compared to 1:1.3 for normal flu strains...thats why you have to ban public gatherings and any other decent size gatherings. IMHO even 100-500 is too generous.....
Agree townsend...inevitable the season openers will be postponed. The duty of care aspect will simply outweigh the financial implications.
They've said no spectators at AFLW matches, from tomorrow - tonights is open for spectators.
So if they've done that for AFLW, no chance in hell AFL will go ahead without the same.
On Ch.7 they said the AFL have decided to start the season on time. just they will be 90,000 people less than anticipated. We'll be playing in front of empty stadiums for a while i'd say.
On Ch.7 they said the AFL have decided to start the season on time. just they will be 90,000 people less than anticipated. We'll be playing in front of empty stadiums for a while i'd say.
....unless they get advice suggesting otherwise in the next week.
They AFL have said there are a number of scenarios they can run with. Most of those will be factored in AFTER round 1 depending on how everything is going with corona and no doubt the AFL community as a whole.
They have already canvassed the players and said that a more compact season is possible.
They have stated there is 4 weeks available for rescheduled matches (mid season bye, finals bye and 2 weeks after the grand final before cricket takes over) which can be used to make up the games.
They may look at shortening games in order to get more games in a short space of time......without elaborating on that, to me it seemed like they may do an AFLW type length game, and do say 5 day breaks between them, so that you could get 4 weeks of game in 3 weeks of time kinda scenarios.
No matter what happens, statistically, this AFL season will be an anomaly for all time.
So Richmond’s 102,453 members won’t mean a flying fruit loop on Thursday night. No army, no stupid drums. Watch out for plenty of player interactions of affirmation to create their own ‘atmosphere’.
So Richmond’s 102,453 members won’t mean a flying fruit loop on Thursday night. No army, no stupid drums. Watch out for plenty of player interactions of affirmation to create their own ‘atmosphere’.
Wonder if they will unfurl the premiership flag to an empty stadium?
No atmosphere could be good for us. Tigers thrive on momentum and Dusty getting the crowd up.
As stupid as this may sound I bet a few clubs perform better without any outside noise and lack of pressure from over the fence while others that may love the noise from the stands might feel a little flat and not perform as well.
Don’t they say our club is mainly made up of introverts.....they should prefer the lack of outside noise.
Sorry kruddler I must have been typing as you posted...similar thoughts
Wonder how it will impact on the umpiring at Eagles games here at Perth Stadium without the "noise of affirmation". Will be interesting to see the free kick stats in the first few weeks. Dean Margetts will be in a right lather. And Razor Ray will be really hamming it up for the additional TV viewing audiences.
Wonder how it will impact on the umpiring at Eagles games here at Perth Stadium without the "noise of affirmation". Will be interesting to see the free kick stats in the first few weeks. Dean Margetts will be in a right lather. And Razor Ray will be really hamming it up for the additional TV viewing audiences.
Not sure if it's still the case but even up to about 3 or 4 years ago Perth games were only umpired by the local umpires. They're supposed to be neutral and I'm sure they are but everyone has a team and if you have lived in Perth your whole life it's odds on who that side is.
Just watched the Aust v NZ ODI in front of an empty stadium. It's was really hard to get into. Felt like a scratch match two sides put together rather than an ODI. Never know how much you miss crowd atmosphere until there is none. It's very hard for players to get themselves up. Hopefully works in our favor....lol.
Another blow for our forwardline....
Eddie is out for 3-4 weeks after injuring his calf.
Old man injury. :'(
Well, I doubt we recruited Betts for his on-field impact so it's not a huge loss, he is an old man who will suffer old man injuries.
It'll be interesting to see how the game is umpired in the total absence of the hyper-abusive Nthmond crowd!
Another blow for our forwardline....
Eddie is out for 3-4 weeks after injuring his calf.
Old man injury. :'(
Wouldnt mind if they cancelled the game, looking very threadbare is the forward line, I guess Eddie getting injured with a calf isnt a surprise. Lets hope he can get back and play the majority of the games, SOS might be saying told you so....🤔
We'll get smashed
Even though the AFL have mandated no crowd, I wonder if the game will actually still run on Thursday? Every day the Covid-19 situation gets worse and new restrictions come in.
In this crowd-less quiet environment a loud voice and lots of collective experience and familiarity will hold sway, unfortunately two things we have very little of!
The Lions must be spewing that they cut Hodge in light of a crowd-less start to the season!
Some clubs may seriously consider playing coaches if this situation is to persist, it will be such a strange environment for the seasoned players, they'll even be able to hear the coach screaming from the boundary line!
Wouldn't surprise me to see the season put back a month, followed by a month of crowd-less games. Finals end of October.
Wouldn't surprise me to see the season put back a month, followed by a month of crowd-less games. Finals end of October.
Wonder if they'll postpone and go with a 17 game season, with everyone playing each other once.
Commence the season on 29 May, 17 round season, no byes, Grand Final 16 Oct. Players to absorb some financial adjustment like a lot of the world is being forced to do. Extraordinary times need extraordinary decisions.
Even though the AFL have mandated no crowd, I wonder if the game will actually still run on Thursday? Every day the Covid-19 situation gets worse and new restrictions come in.
Agree, reckon they may cancel games for a month at least. Full Lockdown is the only weapon to prevent the virus spreading and other countries are doing it and we will follow imo.
Commence the season on 29 May, 17 round season, no byes, Grand Final 16 Oct. Players to absorb some financial adjustment like a lot of the world is being forced to do. Extraordinary times need extraordinary decisions.
AFL would hate a 17 round season. Would mean moving dangerously close to a level playing field, something which they do everything in their power to avoid
In such an abbreviated season, a final four must come under consideration.
Cancel the season and play an 18 team finals series.
There goes the scalpers' traffic. :)
It’s the flattest start to a seasons launch ever.
Apart from the fact that we simply don’t have the players available to be competitive all this doubt and talk the season can be cut in an instance the moment one player is infected puts me off. Add in no crowds and has to make the keenest of supporters feel like there is no use in playing with this format.
Prefer we have a late start and late finish plus give players like Harry Eddie McGovern marchbank the time they need to get their body in the condition it should be.
Can’t see us being competitive with the players we have available right now. The backups are miles off and we will be shown up which will just put more heat on us which we need to avoid.
I reckon the start of the season will be postponed. Good for us as we are running out of players.
Gil is scheduled for a press conference at 530.
$hit is about to go down.
Season will be cancelled.
Wonder what Channel 7/Fox do now....paid hundreds of millions for broadcast rights and now no games....which in turn means advertisers will be up in arms if they've paid up for advertising during games.
Massive flow on effects. Clubs with lost gate revenue...members who've paid up for full memberships now will be wanting refunds. I can't see any player contracts would've factored something like this in. Clubs will likely be bound by those contracts.
Glad I held off renewing our memberships (more about continued disenchantment), glad I didnt pre-purchase tickets.
Official, a 17 game season!
Find out when round 1 starts tomorrow.
Season will officially be shortened to 17 rounds.
Season will officially be shortened to 17 rounds.
No decision on R1 until tomorrow.
Oops, sorry Jim.
If a player get corona virus an automatic shutdown of 14 days (perhaps longer) will occur.
Pendles is rumoured to have it now.
Thursday could yet be cancelled.
Now let's wait and see when these plans change. Because I'm sure they will.
Based on these disruptions and adjustments, no coach could be sacked this year. They all get a reprieve. 2020 will always be an * season, which suits us fine. 17 games will work nicely for our young squad......and Charlie might be ready by October with 8 rounds to go!!!
If a player get corona virus an automatic shutdown of 14 days (perhaps longer) will occur.
Pendles is rumoured to have it now.
Thursday could yet be cancelled.
Pendelbury test negative, its just a sniffle from his kid.
Pendelbury test negative, its just a sniffle from his kid.
Just confirmed that he hasn’t received his results and is still in exile.
Just been telling my Richmond friends how lucky that they are going to save themselves a flogging on Thursday.
They laughed at me...lol.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/385988/all-australian-tiger-important-blue-to-miss-season-opener
Both Houli and Marchy out.
Pendelbury test negative, its just a sniffle from his kid.
Yep.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/all-clear-scott-pendlebury-returns-negative-coronavirus-test-20200317-p54awq.html
Wasn't there supposed to be an announcement made at 1pm today? Or am I confused
So Marchy, Big H and Eddie all 3-4 weeks away.
Plow and Macreadie good to go.
Erin Philips with a sore throat but deemed not to fill the criteria to be tested, a lot of folk have sore throats/sniffles at the minute due to colds but its good to see that even star players are being treated in the same common sense manner and not holding up testing facilities for the really ill and vulnerable.
Its appears there are a couple of older drugs for treating HIV and Malaria that are being tested on folk in Aus with CV with effective results so maybe some good news on that front. Canada have a vaccine that is being tried as well.
I'd be calling AFL games off for a month and closing down schools too with the holidays coming up soon.....4 weeks of shutdown could really make a difference yet we just put the dollar first...
Wasn't there supposed to be an announcement made at 1pm today? Or am I confused
Yep, decision on R1 was supposed to be today but the latest is that a decision will be made tomorrow (Wednesday) morning.
I know it's a tough time but playing a game on one day's notice surely isn't a thing either.
Whats the point of a 17 round season? Just delay it a bit and reassess things.
Interesting to see who is named today. The team has to be published.
AFL still meeting: who knows if the game will go on.
Newnes and Martin to play for us. SPS will also be named.
Teams in on AFL.com. No TDK, thats a mistake I reckon, dont understand his non selection.
Carlton
FB
[20] Lachie Plowman, [14] Liam Jones,[15] Sam Docherty
HB [24] Nic Newman, [23] Jacob Weitering,[5] Sam Petrevski-Seton
C[ 18] Sam Walsh, [9] Patrick Cripps, [32] Jack Newnes
HF [2] Paddy Dow, [11] Mitch McGovern, [21] Jack Martin
FF [40] Michael Gibbons, [41] Levi Casboult, [1] Jack Silvagni
FOL [8] Matthew Kreuzer, [3] Marc Murphy, [35] Ed Curnow
IC
[6] Kade Simpson,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[28] David Cuningham
Backs: 20. Lachie Plowman 14. Liam Jones 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs: 24. Nic Newman 23. Jacob Weitering 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Centreline: 18. Sam Walsh 35. Ed Curnow 32. Jack Newnes
Half-forwards: 2. Paddy Dow 11. Mitch McGovern 21. Jack Martin
Forwards: 40. Michael Gibbons 41. Levi Casboult 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers: 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy
Interchange: 6. Kade Simpson 43. Will Setterfield 25. Zac Fisher 28. David Cuningham
Emergencies: 27. Marc Pittonet 31. Tom Williamson 4. Lochie O'Brien 34. Sam Philp
Great minds think alike. :)
Great minds think alike. :)
Lets face it, the longer the go-no go decision takes, the less chance of the game going ahead, Im tempted to say put a line through it.
Hearing talk of games going ahead, but with shortened quarters (16.5 minutes plus time on). Should help us keep our percentage above 70
Hearing talk of games going ahead, but with shortened quarters (16.5 minutes plus time on). Should help us keep our percentage above 70
If they changed the game to 3/4s only, we'd be a chance given our habit of only turning up for 2 or 3.
Zzzzzzzz.................
Must be serving a degustation given how long it's taking.
Game on.
Playing footy and fighting over toilet paper. We're an embarrassment as a nation.
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Sam Docherty
HB: Nic Newman, Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski-Seton
C: Sam Walsh, Ed Curnow, Jack Newness
HF: Paddy Dow, Mitch McGovern, Jack Martin
F: Michael Gibbons, Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
I/C: Kade Simpson, Will Setterfield, Zac Fisher, David Cuningham
Emg: Marc Pittonet, Tom Williamson, Lochie O'Brien, Sam Philp
I wonder who this Jack Newness on the wing is? Obviously the latest model Newnes. 😜
I wonder who this Jack Newness on the wing is? Obviously the latest model Newnes. 😜
He's the same old Newnes on the AFL website. Although he could do with some newness. Come to think of it, so could I.............
I am not sure what I should be feeling at the moment. The game is going on, but ...
I'm not even sure I should watch it ...
Do we want to play that badly? So it seems. Will there actually be a round 2?
SAM Docherty cleans it up on the last line kicks it to
SAMo Petrevski-Seton at half back who takes off and boots long to the opposite wing where
SAM Walsh has lead hard for him. He has nothing forward so he switches to the other wing and finds
JACK Newnes who plays on and handballs quickly to the running
JACK Martin who runs through half forward and spots up
JACK Silvagni deep in the forward pocket.
SAM Philp watches applauds from the behind the boundary as the emergency.
SAM Docherty cleans it up on the last line kicks it to
SAMo Petrevski-Seton at half back who takes off and boots long to the opposite wing where
SAM Walsh has lead hard for him. He has nothing forward so he switches to the other wing and finds
JACK Newnes who plays on and handballs quickly to the running
JACK Martin who runs through half forward and spots up
JACK Silvagni deep in the forward pocket.
SAM Philp watches applauds from the behind the boundary as the emergency.
3 Jacks
5 Sams
2 Marcs, Liams, Toms, Matts, Matthews
I am not sure what I should be feeling at the moment. The game is going on, but ...
I'm not even sure I should watch it ...
Do we want to play that badly? So it seems. Will there actually be a round 2?
Not gonna give it the time of
day night
I'll watch, footy is footy, expecting a heavy loss vs the reigning premiers.
Don't know what to expect, shortened quarters, special playing conditions, it's all TBA.
Lot of eyes watching this, I don't expect us to win but we need to put on a good show or it could really set us back. If there was a night for Eddie et al this was the game.
Lot of eyes watching this, I don't expect us to win but we need to put on a good show or it could really set us back. If there was a night for Eddie et al this was the game.
Spot on. Our achilles heal has been our ability to score and we go into rnd 1 with a weak fwd line. They go in with the leagues most potent. I hope it doesn't get ugly but I fear it will. Amazing how 1-2 players evens up the ledger. This game is tailor made for Charlie and Eddie. IMO, Harry hasn't struck a blow yet in the sense that he hasn't taken a game by the scruff of the neck. Charlie and Eddie (despite his age) can. I dont understand the non selection of TDK, he has X factor, crashes packs and competes hard.
Don't know what to expect, shortened quarters, special playing conditions, it's all TBA.
Players must maintain the 1.5m social distancing rule ;)
I can’t see why any playing conditions would need to be modified for tonight’s game (if it goes ahead). However, if the season has to be shoehorned into 4 months or so, playing conditions would be modified to allow teams to play 3 or 4 games in a fortnight. Perhaps we may just see a lightning premiership.
Another possibility is games at Princes Park; a lot cheaper than playing at an empty MCG.
Players must maintain the 1.5m social distancing rule ;)
We have been pretty good at that in recent years.
shortened qtrs will be good for us, at least we won't get any goals kicked against us in red time now. ::)
Yep, I'd have Played TDK as well, put the wind up 'en a bit and give them something different to think about as they probably reckon they have Levi, the blob and JSoS covered. Team looks very same same as last year, which doesn't excite.
Something interesting mentioned in the HS was the fact that being crowdless, will it assist players who have the goal kicking yips? Maybe Levi will drill every opportunity.
We have been pretty good at that in recent years.
If the cynical supports are consistent Gibbs must now be the AFL's most valuable player! ;D
Something interesting mentioned in the HS was the fact that being crowdless, will it assist players who have the goal kicking yips? Maybe Levi will drill every opportunity.
Teams loaded with loud voices and aggressive communicators will be at a huge advantage because there is no longer a crowd drowning out the voices.
A key difference to playing AFL to all other levels, the one thing newbies notice more than anything else, is that you can't hear anybody out on the field unless they are right next to you!
Part of me wanted the season delayed for medical reasons, another part of me is wrapped it's on tonight... perhaps a little selfish.
As to the merit in whether or not the season should start I am now sure the AFL -- eventually!!! -- did the right thing. Why? Simple. Sam Newman reckons it's a very bad decision.
Letting 44 blokes tackle each other then go home to their families is madness.
Letting 44 blokes tackle each other then go home to their families is madness.
That's an exaggeration, you'd be lucky if 10 of our blokes tackled.
Letting 44 blokes tackle each other then go home to their families is madness.
It's McLachlan's "Neville Chamberlain" moment.
Hard to get excited right now. On the bright side, while Richmond keep beating us, they never blow us away.
I think we've started pretty well in the last few years....only to fall in a heap and get pulled back in by the tigers.
Perhaps with these shorter quarters (I think thats official?) we might be half a chance!
I would have thought the chances of these guying catching coivid 19 in game to be zero. They're tested and test, and in lock down. More chance of catching it at the shops or a kid bringing it home from daycare/school etc
Letting 44 blokes tackle each other then go home to their families is madness.
I wonder if they will bring back Andrejs Everitt celebration after goals?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CH7zG7zVAAAhvm-.jpg)
I would have thought the chances of these guying catching coivid 19 in game to be zero. They're tested and test, and in lock down. More chance of catching it at the shops or a kid bringing it home from daycare/school etc
That is basically the official WHO line, the chances of healthy sportspeople catching and then transmitting COVID-19 in competition, even in combative team sports like rugby, is practically zero. The bigger problem is sharing the school carpool, bus, train or plane.
The biggest problem for the AFL/ NRL is safely shuffling players around the country.
I suppose it's a numbers game. People speculating and using "common sense" are not very good at assessing and predicting risk. In reality and group travelling together is no more or less likely to catch it than one person travelling alone. But the general public perceives the risk of the group as higher. The problem is how many people they have a close encounter with, not how many are in the group.
We have to play like there's next week...............................as there mightn't be....lol.
I think we'll play an ultra defensive brand of football, we just don't have a forward line capable of kicking a winning score if it is free flowing