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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #105
Champion data says after 2 rounds we are the worst pressure side in the comp. Also two of our better pressure players are Fisher and Martin lol.
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Reply #106
Champion data says after 2 rounds we are the worst pressure side in the comp. Also two of our better pressure players are Fisher and Martin lol.

Our lack of pressure on the Pies was painful to watch. They were just going forward unopposed for long periods of the game.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #107
Champion data says after 2 rounds we are the worst pressure side in the comp. Also two of our better pressure players are Fisher and Martin lol.

That video I linked earlier shows that per 100 turnovers, we have conceded more points than all other teams. If you can't defend turnover, you're stuffed. Teague will need to get the balance right, because we can certainly kick a score. If we can sort out the defense off turnover allowing for easy goals, I don't think we're far off.

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Reply #108
GTC....Plowman was awful last week no doubt. But he wasn't helped by the total lack of pressure further up the field. Got sick of watching us turn it over up the field and then see it come back with easy kicks to a bloke on the lead or on his own. Freo have small forwards in Schultz and Switkowski are are relative no-names but are very dangerous....and that'll be even worse if Walters plays...they have enough midfield options even without Fyfe to be able to leave Walters forward. Realistically, who do we have to man those guys up? Saad probably gets one but he's better as a running half back. Williamson has been terrible.....SPS is simply not a half back and we're kidding ourselves trying to turn him into one. He'll just try to get separation and not shut a bloke down. We need Newman back ASAP and reckon Stocker deserves a crack at it. As little as he's done for us since we trade him in, Marchbank needs to get fit and get out there and stay injury free...he can be that 3rd tall option and can play on the smaller blokes as well.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #109
GTC....Plowman was awful last week no doubt. But he wasn't helped by the total lack of pressure further up the field..................................

Daniel Hoyne and David King were both pretty clear on this. No defence can do much when the ball comes in so effortlessly.  I don't think they blame Plowman, and they're right, and I think the coaches will see it that way as well.

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #110
Teague's last job before he came to us was as the Crows forwards coach. There is IMO a clear connection between what he was doing there and what he's trying to do with us. But I think the first 2 rounds are a reality check. We don't have the firepower to kick big scores like the Crows did in 2017. We're not a 20 goal per game team, and an adjustment or recalibration is certainly on the cards. 

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Reply #111
Can you imagine us fielding a side next year without Cripps in the middle.

Seriously think about it. The only way imo it would even be considered is to get back 2 ready made mids.  Cant lose a bull like Cripps from the shallowest midfield in the comp and then replace him with 2 more kids that are still developing.
 
Already as it stands our midfield is lagging way behind were it should be - it has to be made instantly better to consider a swap of players - and getting more kids in regardless our much potential they have is too risky.

We just cannot afford to take any backward steps now.  Those rebuilding years of waiting patiently while developing a young midfield are well and truly over. 

IMO they should have been over 2 years ago.

 

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Reply #112
Last year was our best season for a while and Cripps was average.
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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #113
That video I linked earlier shows that per 100 turnovers, we have conceded more points than all other teams. If you can't defend turnover, you're stuffed. Teague will need to get the balance right, because we can certainly kick a score. If we can sort out the defense off turnover allowing for easy goals, I don't think we're far off.
So what is the root cause, do we think it's an Inside D50 problem or does the problem lay elsewhere, like a lack of defensive run from the Mids or the Forwards?

I can't help but recall Doc and sMurph or Simmo berating Cripps last year for not chasing the opposition after a midfield turnover. They really gave it to him out at CHB while the opposition setup for a shot on goal. Stuck in my memory, the old blokes berating the young captain. I think from the gestures they had expected him to insert himself between CHB and FB to fill a space.
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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #114
Daniel Hoyne and David King were both pretty clear on this. No defence can do much when the ball comes in so effortlessly.  I don't think they blame Plowman, and they're right, and I think the coaches will see it that way as well.

This has been a major problem for us for years and successive coaches have not been able to reallt fix it. We won't significantly improve our W/L ratio until it is fixed imo. Teague must address it pdq.
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Reply #115
Think its been in the media recently and on this forum that apart from Weitering and Jones our other defenders dont defend very well. We seem to have got obsessed with attack and run from defense and forgotten all about a defenders primary role.
Saad is the only one capable of doing both jobs IMO.  Docherty, Plowman and Williamson couldnt guard an elephant if it was trapped in a telephone box...
We can blame mids not getting back but those three players have been poor in both games and I think the likes of Newman, Stocker and even new boy Parks might be worth a try.
You look at Richmond and their mids really dont get back or chase that hard either, they just have boring defenders like Grimes, Astbury, Balta, Vlastuin and Broad who defend well...

Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #116
So what is the root cause, do we think it's an Inside D50 problem or does the problem lay elsewhere, like a lack of defensive run from the Mids or the Forwards?

I can't help but recall Doc and sMurph or Simmo berating Cripps last year for not chasing the opposition after a midfield turnover. They really gave it to him out at CHB while the opposition setup for a shot on goal. Stuck in my memory, the old blokes berating the young captain. I think from the gestures they had expected him to insert himself between CHB and FB to fill a space.

My personal layperson's opinion is that the back 6 have been admirable in trying to keep out the marauding hordes. I think it's definitely a mids / forwards lack of pressure issue. The players' heads must be spinning with one coach doing the opposite of the previous one. Bolton started teaching defence and then added an attacking layer, Teague is now teaching all out attack and has to wind back and teach defence.

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Reply #117
Agree EB....prior to the start of the season, we were supposedly drowning in half backs and defensive options...we'd brought in Saad and question was "where do we fit them all in'? The injuries to Newman and Marchbank haven't helped. But Plowman has been terrible and Docherty is a shadow of the AA player from a few years ago. I think we cut him some slack last year after 2 full seasons out...but he hasn't improved...his decision making is ordinary and his kicking terrible. We've got blokes like him, Plowman, SPS and Jones who just continually butcher it coming out of the backline. Last week it was Saad and Williams who were the two best ball users, especially early on in the game.

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Reply #118
Daniel Hoyne and David King were both pretty clear on this. No defence can do much when the ball comes in so effortlessly.  I don't think they blame Plowman, and they're right, and I think the coaches will see it that way as well.
Thats just an excuse for defenders who don't know how to defend and we are full to pussy's bow of them. Midfield dominance isn't a new thing, ball has been streaming down the ground for eons, once upon a time there were (and we had plenty of them) defenders who could read the play coming their way and they could position themselves to get a fist in or heaven forbid, mark the thing. Like our team in general, our defenders are often asleep at the wheel because they thinking about more than beating, or stopping, their opponent. The good defenders don't worry about cheap possessions or getting involved in an attacking chain, they worry about making sure their man doesn't get a kick or has a very tough day at the office. I watched Plowman live last week and he was deadset asleep giving his opponent meters every single time. You can't see it on TV, it happens way before the cameras capture the ball about to be marked by the fwd. I understand team defence and mids have to do more when they don't have the footy, but as Bill Belichick says, "do your job". Plowman, SPS, Doc just don't do theirs way too often.
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Re: Pre Game Preparations: AFL 2021 R3 Carlton vs Fremantle at Marvel

Reply #119
Think its been in the media recently and on this forum that apart from Weitering and Jones our other defenders dont defend very well. We seem to have got obsessed with attack and run from defense and forgotten all about a defenders primary role.
Saad is the only one capable of doing both jobs IMO.  Docherty, Plowman and Williamson couldnt guard an elephant if it was trapped in a telephone box...
We can blame mids not getting back but those three players have been poor in both games and I think the likes of Newman, Stocker and even new boy Parks might be worth a try.
You look at Richmond and their mids really dont get back or chase that hard either, they just have boring defenders like Grimes, Astbury, Balta, Vlastuin and Broad who defend well...
EB I just read this and you are spot on, I posted just then about defenders not knowing how to defend.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time