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Title: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: crashlander on March 19, 2020, 10:49:39 pm
I assume we are still playing the Dogs next week. I can't be sure yet.

Unless Tom de Koning or Marc Pittonet can come up and play a brilliant game, we are screwed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 19, 2020, 11:10:57 pm
We'll be playing the dogs....its just a matter of when.
It might be next wednesday for all we know
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: townsendcalling on March 20, 2020, 11:24:31 am
Assuming Krueser is unavailable, this week would be the ideal time to introduce De Koning against a similar type of ruckman in Tim English....still quite lean, not over physical, athletic.  Perfect timing.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LP on March 20, 2020, 11:32:53 am
If we don't play Pittonet we are asking for trouble, he's fit and he is aggressive which is what we need around Bont.

It might be a good game for De Koning, but not perhaps as a ruck, leave Levi rotating in the ruck with Pittonet and play De Koning forward. But if we do that we can't lose the midfield like we did last night.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: PaulP on March 20, 2020, 11:34:18 am
Dogs are a real chance to go top 4 IMO. Very tough assignment. Dogs by 5 goals. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LP on March 20, 2020, 11:35:33 am
There were rumors circulating yesterday the Dogs now have two players being tested for COVID-19, the game might not go ahead at all!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 20, 2020, 12:04:45 pm
Dogs will be a test given they have the three big mids to help offset Cripps so we need a few players to standup and support the skipper in the middle.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Professer E on March 20, 2020, 03:39:20 pm
Tough early season draw for a weak club.

 Play Pittonet and tell him to get physical on English who is a rising player but still pretty light.  Needs to remember that putting his body in is part of his job description because he won't take marks around the ground and get 20 kicks.

We might need another tall with Schache, Bruce and Naughton to contend with.

Drop  Plowman and Dow, play Willo and Stocker (if fit).   Maybe LoB for Setterfield (last chance).

Put a rocket up Fisher ET AL.  Time to put up or piss off.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: WASurfer on March 20, 2020, 04:54:30 pm
Agree EB but that sentiment is almost on a repeat loop.

I'd almost be tempted to play TDK and Pittonet this week. If Williamson is fit then maybe the third tall defender option.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 20, 2020, 05:18:06 pm
I don't rate the dogs or the coach. We always match up well and as opposed to playing the reigning premiers where we were no chance, this week we are a chance. If we dont start playing until the second qtr, we are screwed, we need to eliminate this farken habit of slow starts (amongst other things).
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: capcom on March 20, 2020, 05:23:32 pm
Pittonet ... now.  And yes, Stocker.  Dow banished permanently to the NBs.  Don't wanna see him again.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: WASurfer on March 20, 2020, 05:40:12 pm
Agree capcom....I feel sorry for Dow. It's not his fault he was picked at number 3...but the lack of development or improvement by him into his 3rd season is a real worry. If he got 25 possessions and butchered half of them you might tolerate it....but to get 7 possessions in a game and still do it?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: cookie2 on March 20, 2020, 05:59:38 pm
I don't think we should play TDK in the ruck yet.  Let him get more mature first, we don't want him too bashed up and plagued by injuries.  He looks like a pretty useful fwd so let's try him there.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 20, 2020, 06:00:23 pm
My side for this week, nuffs enuff
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 20, 2020, 06:15:48 pm
My side for this week, nuffs enuff

Not bad...like TDK at FF and Pittonet in the ruck, Williamson is worth a shot down back, at least he might try and mind a man.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 20, 2020, 06:30:05 pm
Not bad...like TDK at FF and Pittonet in the ruck, Williamson is worth a shot down back, at least he might try and mind a man.

EB they have to try something different. We have supposedly added depth, farken use it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 20, 2020, 07:14:07 pm
EB they have to try something different. We have supposedly added depth, farken use it.
One area we went backwards depth wise was in the ruck.

Phillips out
Lobbe out
Pittonet in......and that was it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: flyboy77 on March 20, 2020, 11:31:41 pm
One area we went backwards depth wise was in the ruck.

Phillips out
Lobbe out
Pittonet in......and that was it.

but both TDK and Levi have 'improved'....

don't see an issue.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 21, 2020, 07:26:21 am
but both TDK and Levi have 'improved'....

don't see an issue.
Isn't it ironic how two of the biggest whipping boys (Cas and Jones) are now two of our most pivotal players. Good stories.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: sandsmere on March 21, 2020, 08:06:42 am
Not a bad side Gic.

I'd be happy to see that side run out.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: townsendcalling on March 21, 2020, 08:24:58 am
The problem every side faces from now on is that anyone that is brought in has had NO match exposure for x number of weeks. Therefore Stocker, who player almost no Marsh matches and possibly only part of a NB practice match is in form and ready to go? These will be hard calls all year. They are also saying if it’s 9 days, Harry will be ready. He’s got nowhere to practice, so does he come straight in????
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 21, 2020, 09:01:27 am
but both TDK and Levi have 'improved'....

don't see an issue.
If you own 2 pairs of shoes and 1 gets wet, you have a dry pair to change into.
If you sell those shoes and upgrade them to the best shoes going around and they get wet... what do you do?
Your shoes have been 'improved' over what you had before, but now youre in a situation which I means you have none.
Regardless of how good they are, you always need a backup.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: PaulP on March 21, 2020, 10:04:44 am
My side for this week, nuffs enuff


Also don't mind those selections.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LP on March 21, 2020, 11:41:53 am
but both TDK and Levi have 'improved'....

don't see an issue.
Blind men do not fear the dark!

Pittonet, TDK and Levi are not SpecialK, especially around the ground, we best have a significantly revised midfield / stoppage plan or we're going to get roasted. SpecialK was winning the ruck early Thursday night and we still got roasted, imagine if we'd lost the ruck it could easily have been a 10 goal or more Qtr for Nthmond!

Pittonet isn't as mobile, he is more of a Mumford aggro type, we need him to be primarily aggressive and hopeful not take out too many team-mates in the process. He has a similar match day flaw to Levi, after the jump they pause for a moment before they make their next move, a fatal flaw if you're a boxer and one that even B-Grade rucks can take advantage of if they are well coached to do so.

TDK is a toothpick, he best be jumping and running, hopefully without hurting his back, and getting on his bike as much as possible.

Levi needs to be tackling a lot lot more, using his size and strength, and pushing hard forward or defensively to make himself the man at marking contests. Someone needs to coach him to realise that jumping in the ruck is the start of the next action not the end of the first.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: crashlander on March 21, 2020, 10:35:03 pm
It will be at least 16 weeks until Kreuzer is available: he has broken a bone in his foot. Therefore Tom de Koning and marc Pittonet are going to get a lot of game time.
I'd be tempted to include both on them for the Dogs: English is going to be an excellent player, but he doesn't have the physique yet. A physical player on him? Maybe.

I would drop Paddy Dow, and if he doesn't improve soon, I'd be looking to trade him while he has value. He needs time playing, and the VFL won't be playing for weeks. Just what we don't need.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LP on March 21, 2020, 11:00:09 pm
It will be at least 16 weeks until Kreuzer is available: he has broken a bone in his foot. Therefore Tom de Koning and marc Pittonet are going to get a lot of game time.
If the numbers are bad do not be surprised to find Rnd 2 becomes weeks or even months away.

If just one player gets a positive test it will be like F1, canned!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: JonDorotich on March 22, 2020, 09:01:16 am
My side for this week, nuffs enuff

Sam Philp, Tom Williamson and Tom DeKoning are all great inclusions.

With respect to Stocker, during the preseason Teague mentioned that he was a fair way off the pace, which was surprising as Stocker gives the impression that he’s prepared to do the work to make it and from what I’ve seen he has the ability. I’m also not sure how a player forces his way into the side without a VFL competition. Presumably they’re playing internal scratch matches on the weekend and if so the club should release video of these matches.

Also don’t think we can go into our next game with all of TDK, Casboult, Pittonet, Moore and McGovern.

Subject to Stocker being ready to play, I’d ditch Moore and reintroduce one of LOB, Fisher, Setterfield or Dow.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: laj on March 22, 2020, 02:58:07 pm
Wonder if the AFL will consider trying to play all games out of one state.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LoveNavy on March 22, 2020, 03:10:11 pm
Isn't it ironic how two of the biggest whipping boys (Cas and Jones) are now two of our most pivotal players. Good stories.

Love it.
My dream is Dow, and LOB to a lesser extent, can do the same.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2020, 04:15:32 pm
Wonder if the AFL will consider trying to play all games out of one state.

One state, one stadium!

Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: laj on March 22, 2020, 04:43:35 pm
We have 10 weeks to talk about this match now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2020, 05:45:37 pm
We have 10 weeks to talk about this match now.
And Kruze will only have 6 weeks to get back:)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2020, 06:23:19 pm
And Kruze will only have 6 weeks to get back:)
But will miss about 10 matches in that time.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: madbluboy on March 22, 2020, 06:42:20 pm
In Curnow, McKay, Betts
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: LP on March 22, 2020, 06:43:45 pm
It's highly unlikely the competition resumes soon after the 31st of May, a July / August resumption is the most likely scenario if it resumes at all for 2020!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 22, 2020, 07:30:44 pm
But will miss about 10 matches in that time.
So will everyone else
Title: Re: AFL Rd 2 2020: Pre Game Perfidy: Carlton vs. Dogs?
Post by: kruddler on March 22, 2020, 07:37:05 pm
So will everyone else
No, i'm saying they will play 10 matches in those 6 weeks