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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by Baggers -
Further to what the Spotted One, accurately, pointed out above...

Anecdotal, yes, but indicative: I recall when joining the Navy in '72 joining lines of young men and women to get our 'jabs'... Yellow Fever, TB... etc., etc. About 5 in all. In the 3 months of basic training I witnessed hundreds and hundreds get their jabs. Invariably, there was always 2 or 3 in that, say, 100 who had adverse reactions. Every now and then, severe.

There is barely a vaccine, indeed medication, that does not have side-effects. Generally effecting, adversely, around 2% of the population.

In time, medical science will perfect tests that will give better insight into any individuals likelihood to have adverse or on the other side of the coin, ineffectual results, to vaccines and prescription medication... and I speak from very recent experience. Only in the past 6 weeks I underwent blood tests, prescribed by my Psychiatrist (a cool and progressive dude), still in the very early stages of development to screen for, crudely put, my suitability to various PTSD medications. It was a comprehensive bank of blood tests not yet approved or funded by Medicare but forking out a coupla hundred seemed a reasonable investment. I think I've mentioned previously that I have volunteered myself for these experimentations.

And the results came in Tuesday this week! My blood work revealed suitability to some PTSD meds and not to others... obviously. Now I won't go into the complexities of what the blood work analyzed/revealed, but crudely the results showed how my liver and other organs dealt with certain meds, how my individual systems (lots of letters and numbers) dealt with the blood/brain barrier and other pathways, how I metabolised certain meds. And so on.

Results: Over the decades I've tried a number of PTSD meds and only ever had really bad reactions to 2 -- Zoloft & Prozac -- and my individual blood work revealed these two to be virtually toxic for me! I metabolized them poorly, with resultant build up. However 2 showed up as being well metabolized and tolerated giving them a good chance to do their jobs, with minimal side-effects (Escitalopram/Lexapro & Paroxetine/Aropax)... and I'm on a low / moderate dose of one of them to good effect.

Another fascinating result was my individual reaction to the benzo family (Valium, Xanax, Ativan, etc). I metabolize these really well, too well - very healthy liver. So if needed (rarely these days), I have to take a higher dose to get the required result - 5mg Valium for me? Might as well eat a tic tac... 15mg? That'll work for me like 2mg tabs work for others.

Point is, despite the best efforts from the medical folks (which has been the case over decades), some vaccines and medications will be toxic to a small % of folks, but with improved future diagnostics this will gradually be addressed right down to individual suitability.

Shameful how the media beats up panic over AZ. You can bet there are similar results -- known only behind closed doors -- showing Pfizer & Moderna to be very adverse for a small minority of folks. Bottom line: AZ/Pfizer & Moderna worked well for the greater majority of the population and saved millions of lives and prevented millions from developing severe Covid symptoms. The anti-vaxxers will have an hysterical field day with the AZ information, and the shallow end of the media will feed this hysteria.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Last post by LP -
Or the media @ElwoodBlues1‍

As far as I know Astrazeneca has never denied the rare side-effects of it's vaccine, it's a characteristic of any vaccine or medicine that there might be side-effects, some severe for a small number of people.

The media on the other hand claims pretty much everything is a side effect, the media leverages societies wide misunderstanding of chance, probability and correlation for profit, like a "5G allergy" and "Infasound Illness" from wind power! The spurious and alarmist claims about vaccines and medicines are no different.

btw., If these medicines and vaccines were 100% harmless, they would have no positive effects either, all medicines walk a like between help and harm. If we didn't have them people would still be dying from a scratch!

For myself, the real villains here are the likes of Pfizer and Moderna, not because in the real world those products aren't perfect that is expected, the problem is they continue to deny side-effects from their own products while pointing the finger at Astrazeneca, of course they do this for profit!

It's the denials that do the harm, not the product, if medical experts are aware of side-effects they can screen and manage them, but they need the information to act. Pfizer and Moderna have kept it closed, proprietary, and highly profitable.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Quote from: madbluboy on
Yep. I wouldn't be expecting to win in the next two weeks.
We have a list that can sneak wins against good opponents, it would have been nice to sneak one extra over the last few weeks of injury outs.

But expecting wins is a bit over the top, especially when a 1/4 of the team on the day are 1st or 2nd season types, that's hard enough without carrying some older types who are out of form. The group needs contiguous football to click into shape.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Quote from: LP on
That's a lot of changes on top of Martin not having played much footy in recent times, we shouldn't expect much first game back but we can hope to be surprised. For me it's the 1st step of getting things in shape for the second half of the season.

Personally, I'll be happy to see Martin and McGovern get through unscathed.

Yep. I wouldn't be expecting to win in the next two weeks.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
That's a lot of changes on top of Martin not having played much footy in recent times, we shouldn't expect much first game back but we can hope to be surprised. For me it's the 1st step of getting things in shape for the second half of the season.

Personally, I'll be happy to see Martin and McGovern get through unscathed.