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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by DJC -
As i stated, i'm not saying they are the perfect stat, but if you want a rough guide on what players are doing that most supporters are not taking notice of, the pressure act stat is a good example. As mentioned, a player with a lot of pressure acts is clearly applying more pressure than a player with very little. You could argue individual numbers if you wish, but thats missing the point.

re Amy Winehouse....i did say its my opinion. Others can differ and thats fine.

I find it difficult to have sympathy for someone boasting about not going to rehab....and then dying because of it.

.....and i'm a huge Nirvana fan, so i understand some similarities with Kurt Cobain.

Last season Zac Fisher wasn’t laying tackles but his pressure acts were high.  He was dropped…
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by DJC -
Cottrells first two games this year doesn't indicate he has improved from last year but he is not alone on that.
Fogarty, Harry, Charlie have started the year well and above the personal best averages...Hollands, Cottrell, Owies, Cunningham way down and struggling to put teams away due to their below average output..

And that’s where Vossy and the MC would disagree with you; Cottrell and his mates are doing exactly what’s required of them. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by LP -
The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.
Yep, I said as much about Owies deep running last season, while some want him dropped for not kicking goals every game.

However, I bet the coach and the team notice him just tens of seconds apart levelling up the numbers at both ends of the ground. Probably doesn't even get a stat for it, but it's worth far more than many of the AFL's so called "Pressure Acts!"

Same applies to Cottrell, sometimes you just have to work hard to close of space to be a contributor, he does it often but you won't see it on TV because it actually stops the ball going to where he is!

Yet if Cottrell and Owies hesitate in making the ground, they'll probably find themselves in a contest and get a "Pressure Act" or "Tackle" stat! ;)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by kruddler -
That's a bit rough on Amy and those who appreciated her immense talent.

The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.  Some of those actions may be pressure acts, some may not.  Some pressure acts may be valued by coaches and MCs, many will not be.

Take Ollie Hollands' two spoils against Lynch, one of which resulted in clean possession to Hollands and a rebound 50.  I think I can safely assume that Vossy would be rapt with those two efforts.  He wouldn't be quite so happy with Cuners taking his opponent to the boundary line, then stopping because he thought the ball was out (it was, but the boundary umpire was unsighted).  Cuners is credited with a pressure act but his opponent gets balanced and kicks the ball downfield without any pressure.

As i stated, i'm not saying they are the perfect stat, but if you want a rough guide on what players are doing that most supporters are not taking notice of, the pressure act stat is a good example. As mentioned, a player with a lot of pressure acts is clearly applying more pressure than a player with very little. You could argue individual numbers if you wish, but thats missing the point.

re Amy Winehouse....i did say its my opinion. Others can differ and thats fine.

I find it difficult to have sympathy for someone boasting about not going to rehab....and then dying because of it.

.....and i'm a huge Nirvana fan, so i understand some similarities with Kurt Cobain.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by DJC -
Amy Winehouse.....thats what you take out of this?

Personally couldn't give a stuff about her and her wasted life.

However, you want to argue about pressure stats now. As usual you misunderstand the point of them. Its a guide, a reference a relative measure.
It doesn't matter how accurate they are as they are as accurate for one player as they are for another player. If one player has heaps and another player doesn't, guess who provided more pressure?

That's a bit rough on Amy and those who appreciated her immense talent.

The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.  Some of those actions may be pressure acts, some may not.  Some pressure acts may be valued by coaches and MCs, many will not be.

Take Ollie Hollands' two spoils against Lynch, one of which resulted in clean possession to Hollands and a rebound 50.  I think I can safely assume that Vossy would be rapt with those two efforts.  He wouldn't be quite so happy with Cuners taking his opponent to the boundary line, then stopping because he thought the ball was out (it was, but the boundary umpire was unsighted).  Cuners is credited with a pressure act but his opponent gets balanced and kicks the ball downfield without any pressure.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Last post by kruddler -
Amy Winehouse, what a tragedy, what a loss!

It's the most important point of this thread, because pressure acts as they are collected can be widely varied from trailing a metre or two behind the ball carrier, to getting in an eyeline of a marking contest, a failed attempt to smother, or a full blown bump.

Amy Winehouse.....thats what you take out of this?

Personally couldn't give a stuff about her and her wasted life.

However, you want to argue about pressure stats now. As usual you misunderstand the point of them. Its a guide, a reference a relative measure.
It doesn't matter how accurate they are as they are as accurate for one player as they are for another player. If one player has heaps and another player doesn't, guess who provided more pressure?