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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #435
The fact that she was given a "pass" is a huge win for her.
Obama launched himself into the campaign shortly after with a passionate speech of support....he was probably just waiting for the clearance.

This was really Trump's last card.
His crap wont stick.
Fox news will keep it bubbling but....
She'll skip away now.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #436
The FBI has announced there will be no charges against Hillary over her email server.  The Benghazi Committee released its report a week ago and it was a fizzer.  There goes Sanders' last hope for the withdrawal of Hillary.

That's not what they announced Mav. They simply said it was up to the DoJ. The FBI simply makes 'recommendations'.

U.S. Code Section  793 - "Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information" subsection (f), intent in this case is not required for prosection:

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Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

From the FBI dude's ramble:

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Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.

With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Interestingly he essentially makes out the case against Hillary with a lot of emphasis on 'intent' - which is irrelevant.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #437
More chance of us winning the flag this year than Justice charging Hillary.  Presumably, Comey did a presser and spoke at length to prevent conspiracy theories that Loretta Lynch gave Hillary a pass even though the FBI wanted her charged.  This way, Loretta Lynch has washed her hands of it à la Pontius Pilate.

EDIT :  There ya go, Loretta Lynch has made it official - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/attorney-general-loretta-lynch-says-doj-will-not-pursue-charges-against-clinton-225189

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #438
Why did Loretta meet with Bill last week again? ;D
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!


Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #440
The fact that she was given a "pass" is a huge win for her.
Obama launched himself into the campaign shortly after with a passionate speech of support....he was probably just waiting for the clearance.

This was really Trump's last card.
His crap wont stick.
Fox news will keep it bubbling but....
She'll skip away now.

It's a disgrace Lods.

Comey gave every reason for Hilary to face indictment, then he made up a new legal standard of "extreme carelessness" and that such behavior is not "gross negligence".
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #441
Hilary will be judged now in the court of public opinion. She may have another problem to overcome though, in that she told the same lies to Congress, which is apparently a felony. We await developments with interest. As the US reporter said, it's fortunate for her that she is up against Trump, the only person in the US that is less trustworthy than her, otherwise she would already be history.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #442
As often happens in election campaigns, events have a way of changing the debate.  That means that smart candidates make hay while the sun shines.  That means when the opponent is under fire you don't do anything to draw attention away from whatever that issue is.  But Trump can't help himself.  Right in the middle of the email story, he retweets the Star of David meme which originated on a white supremacist site.  Own goal!  Yes, it dogwhistles to white supremecist voters but he has them locked in anyway.

Now the focus has shifted away from emails to white cops killing black guys and black snipers killing white cops.  Hmmm... what was that email issue again, I forget.

This turn of events can work to the advantage of both sides.  For Trump and his white supremacist mates, a race war is manna from heaven and as an authoritarian he would love to be the Patron Saint of police officers.  Already, some Republicans have blamed Obama and Clinton for the killings  ::)

On the other hand, black people have further proof that racism needs to be addressed or it will continue to polarise whites and blacks to their disadvantage.  Even wealthy and privileged black people understand that their wealth and celebrity won't necessarily protect their children.  And the fact that the shooter had a cache of weapons raises the gun control issue.  That he was a former military guy puts into question the theory that the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.  The military and police are both supposed to be good guys, no?  I'm praying that the shooter wasn't Muslim ...

And there's just been an announcement that Zika has killed its first American, a guy in his 70s.  This while the GOP is trying to defund birth control measures.  Early doubts that Zika causes microcephaly have been erased.  But Microcephaly isn't the only condition it causes.  The consensus is that it also causes Guillain-Barré disease and it literally eats fetal brain tissue and attacks the eyes etc.  And it can be spread by sex as well as by mosquito.  It therefore raises questions of birth control, protected sex, abortion and healthcare, all of which help the Democrats.  It wouldn't be hard to draw in global warming as well given that increasingly tropical conditions in the South will leave it vulnerable to tropical diseases.  Now summer has arrived in the US, the Zika issue will draw more attention.

The campaign is a marathon and this week has shown that no one can control the agenda for very long.  There'll no doubt be dozens of unforeseen twists before this thing is done.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #443
I really think Trump doesn't want to win, he wants to profit and he has already achieved that.

Unfortunately for him the events are conspiring to deliver him the top job, that seems to encourage a new round of self-harm doing his very best to unravel those gains.
The Force Awakens!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #444
I doubt that.  As if a narcissist such as Trump would turn down the presidency if it were handed to him on a plate.  Taking the job doesn't mean he'll have to do heaps.  He can essentially delegate his responsibilities.  Let's face it, Ronnie Reagan still served despite being addled by Alzheimers.  And Dick Cheney was perfectly willing to run the White House for Dubya who had to beat him off with a stick.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #445
I love how Hillary delivered a campaign speech in front of Trump's failed casino in Atlantic City.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #446
I love how Hillary delivered a campaign speech in front of Trump's failed casino in Atlantic City.

She could have picked nearly any of his business ventures if she wanted a failure as a backdrop..... ;) successful businessman ...No....lucky heir  to plenty of money..yes...

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #447
Hilary? Be very careful what you wish for.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #448
I'd take her every day of the week and twice on Sundays given the alternative.  It's not even close.  Trump would be a disaster in every facet of government.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #449
I'd take her every day of the week and twice on Sundays given the alternative.  It's not even close.  Trump would be a disaster in every facet of government.

Just because Trump would be a disaster does not mean she would be any good. It's a choice  between the Devil and the deep blue sea IMO. She is a proven liar.
Reality always wins in the end.