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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #870 –
^^

MIO, I think you have given these issues much more thought than anybody else in the United States of America has, and possibly know more about it, than 3/4 of their population will ever know.

Im going to copy past one line:

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How exactly would you make a surprise attack on Mosul (they have been booby trapping  inviting an attack since they took it), at attack was always on the cards and the element of surprise sounds like something he seen in a movie one day.

Unfortunately, and I don't mean this as a rude generalisation to the American component of our supporter base, (because you guys must have brains to barrack for Carlton) but the majority of them would think this is precisely the action required, and possibly applaud him for it.

The voting public have no concept of what you are talking about, and would possibly just want Rambo to go in and fix it for them.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #871 –
@MIO

The current Middle East conflicts are primarily all about who controls oil and gas supplies and the respective pipelines, with Russia, Syria and Iran in conflict with the USA, UK and Euro big oil interests. It's also key to the US policy of surrounding and containing the power of Russia (and indirectly China), one of the world's leading oil and gas producers, in order to maintain its own global primacy.

Hillary is the candidate of choice of the major US global energy, financial and military interests as successor to Obama. Trump is not.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #872 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
@MIO

The current Middle East conflicts are primarily all about who controls oil and gas supplies and the respective pipelines, with Russia, Syria and Iran in conflict with the USA, UK and Euro big oil interests. It's also key to the US policy of surrounding and containing the power of Russia (and indirectly China), one of the world's leading oil and gas producers, in order to maintain its own global primacy.

Hillary is the candidate of choice of the major US global energy, financial and military interests as successor to Obama. Trump is not.

I don't entirely agree Cookie, the old.. "who controls the oil" argument has flaws, but the oil is no doubt at all a big component. But the battle to retake Mosul is nothing to do with oil other than the fact it is one of the sources of income of ISIS. It is a huge city and Russia plays no part there. Whilst wiping out ISIS is important to ensure that it doesn't control basically the Middle East and in turn a large portion of oil, there are far bigger reasons to take Mosul and have ISIS lose the last major stronghold in Iraq. The less presence the group has, the more fallible it is proven to be, the less ability they have to attract followers in the west drawn to believe they are going to a better life in the caliphate. There will always be radicals, but it is important to start to take power away from this group.


The battle in Syria is an entirely different beast. Yes Putin and Assad are in each others pockets and there will be a 'hands on oil' component which is why Russia is in there, but there is much more to it than just that. Putin needs to world to understand that the side they take will not back down, will not wewill not do it the 'weak' US and European way. Syria is just a proving ground for all the chest thumping they are doing across northern Europe and  have been doing in Ukraine/Crimea and now with the recent shift towards Nuclear chest thumping, such as the deployments in Kalingrad as well as the recent suspension of the nuclear treaty dealing with weapons grade plutonium as well as claims to be able to defeat the most advanced defense systems in the world and hit any target city. Putin is using Syria for far more than oil and it is why it is insane to imagine a US president prepared to be appeased by 'nice words' from the Kremlin. To imagine that everyone plays by the same rules is idiotic of Trump.

So yes I agree oil plays a part, but I think the bigger issue is about Russia exerting itself and not being held back to ideals of other countries. It is important that it is not seen as a small country playing by other people's rules. They are an equal world power and as such will exert that. This view is hugely popular within Russia, which has throughout all of history responded to strong leaders.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #873 –
@MIO

Fair enough MIO, if that's the way you see it, fine. I've said what I wanted to say and I don't want to get into a protracted debate on here about it as its history is long and complex. This is not really a forum for discussing the details of that.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #874 –
Just when you thought it was safe to go into the election thread ::)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-29/fbi-probe-into-clinton-emails-reignited-days-before-election/7977184

This might be nothing in the long run.... but a week or two out from the election it has an impact in terms of general impressions and there is little time to counter it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't more of these grenades coming Hillary's way (Wikileaks)

The best tactic is to hit the candidate late and hard leaving them no time to debunk or defend the claims....The question is does Donald have anything left in his dodgy closet.
 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #875 –
Quote from: Lods on
Just when you thought it was safe to go into the election thread ::)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-29/fbi-probe-into-clinton-emails-reignited-days-before-election/7977184

This might be nothing in the long run.... but a week or two out from the election it has an impact in terms of general impressions and there is little time to counter it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't more of these grenades coming Hillary's way (Wikileaks)

The best tactic is to hit the candidate late and hard leaving them no time to debunk or defend the claims....The question is does Donald have anything left in his dodgy closet.

Might grab  Trump a few votes but the two candidates are so polarising and opposite most people would have made up their mind from day 1 IMO....eg you either love or hate Trump and his voters wont be changing their mind. Its more about getting apathetic voters off the couch and into the polling booths IMO and grabbing their vote and I still think Hilary has more chance of doing that and she will have the numbers especially with the Hispanic community so anti Trump.
Business community is tipping a 10% drop in the world share market if Trump gets in and the way things are going in that area it could bring on another GFC....

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #876 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Might grab  Trump a few votes but the two candidates are so polarising and opposite most people would have made up their mind from day 1 IMO....eg you either love or hate Trump and his voters wont be changing their mind. Its more about getting apathetic voters off the couch and into the polling booths IMO and grabbing their vote and I still think Hilary has more chance of doing that and she will have the numbers especially with the Hispanic community so anti Trump.
Business community is tipping a 10% drop in the world share market if Trump gets in and the way things are going in that area it could bring on another GFC....

Many people have already voted...and most people have made up their minds.
It's the "undecideds" that are likely to be influenced by anything that comes out in the next week or two...and that may be influential in key states.

The market is a fair indicator and it initially dropped significantly on this news this morning.

I've written Trump off a dozen times already...as of now I think he still has a chance....and I'll stick to that through until election day now.
Bizarre! ::)

 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #878 –
Trumps like one of those hitchhikers in the horror movies that gets run over but keeps coming after the folks that run him over :D

We're at the stage now where we're pretty sure he's dead...... but then there's always the chance that in one last shocking twist he gets up and comes again. ;D

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #879 –
Looks like the strategy now is to make the last couple of weeks' run up to the election all about "bad" Hillary whilst taking the heat off Trump. Be interesting to see how effective that is or whether the Dems can get the Donald's sexual exploits back front and center.  ::)
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #880 –
Hillary should be in jail.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #881 –
Donald should be in gaol.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #882 –
They both should be in gaol.
 :D

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #883 –
Quote from: Lods on
They both should be in gaol.
 :D

I'd be happy with that  :)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #884 –
Quote from: DJC on
I'd be happy with that  :)

Me too. While you're at it throw in Howard, Rudd, Abbott... Turnbull & Shorten??? Now that's what you get when you multiply FA x 2. Stuff it, gather up pollies globally, let 'em know they're lying, self-interested, party-line following sacks of refuse then put them together on a small island inhabited by cannibals. Give the cannibals a cookbook that specialises in ways to cook meat that disguises the rancid taste.

The bloke running Canada seems like he might be okay.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17