2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

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Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #30 – March 25, 2018, 12:46:13 pm

Quote from: DJC on March 25, 2018, 09:59:55 am

At least he was pulled up by one of his colleagues and conceded that Martin is stronger.

Weitering was caught slightly out of position by quick ball movement and, once Martin had the prime spot, he had no chance of spoiling without giving away a free. That’s the situation where your desperately hoping that one of your teammates will fly in from the side to spoil.

There is a difference between being caught out of position as a direct mistake versus a missed penalty.

Too many Carlton fans lambaste Weitering, instead of asking why we cannot deliver the football to our forwards advantage like that kick to Dusty! As you mention, there was little else Weitering could do without being penalised, and the umpires are just bursting at the seams to reward Dusty.

There is a price you pay for being a Carlton player, especially while the current generation of 80s and 90s past players remain in control of the AFL and AFL media, some of our young guys will just be starting to realise it is not an even playing field!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #31 – March 25, 2018, 01:11:11 pm

If we lose Kreuzer and Witts bring's that form to a dry Etihad, against Casboult as our 1st ruck, we are in big trouble!

We do not have the midfield to take advantage of roving to their dominant ruck, and to further the situation if Kennedy is also out things will be even worse!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #32 – March 25, 2018, 03:06:31 pm

Scary thought, surely we have to play Phillips, even if underdone

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #33 – March 26, 2018, 12:29:18 am

Quote from: LP on March 25, 2018, 01:11:11 pm

If we lose Kreuzer and Witts bring's that form to a dry Etihad, against Casboult as our 1st ruck, we are in big trouble!

We do not have the midfield to take advantage of roving to their dominant ruck, and to further the situation if Kennedy is also out things will be even worse!

I spotted Kreuzer at the local woollies. He had a chat to one of the staff in fresh produce and was asked how it's going and he said ok. The staff member asked him if he'd be up and about next week and his answer was affirmative.

Whilst I can appreciate he isn't going to come out and say no, he didn't have to be definitive.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #34 – March 26, 2018, 11:36:29 am

For mine Jack and Lamb both have to be dropped this week. We have a bit of depth at the moment and the message needs to go out that poor form is unacceptable. They each had zero impact last week. In fact that last bit of play in the 4th quarter where Jack tried to drop the kick into CHF only to hit a Richmond defender on the chest and subsequently set-up the goal to snuff out any chance of victory was shocking. Byrne and Wieters were also very average but I'm thinking you you can't really drop 4 players after 1 round of footy, can you?

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #35 – March 26, 2018, 11:45:37 am

Quote from: LP on March 25, 2018, 12:46:13 pm

Too many Carlton fans lambaste Weitering, instead of asking why we cannot deliver the football to our forwards advantage like that kick to Dusty!

I think that Matty Wright and Charlie got some fairly good delivery on Thursday night.......

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #36 – March 26, 2018, 12:12:13 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling on March 26, 2018, 11:45:37 am

I think that Matty Wright and Charlie got some fairly good delivery on Thursday night.......

True, but once the fast break 1st Qtr action was no longer an option our quality of ball use seem to dessicate very quickly.

Later in the game, when things were there to be won check out our efficiency, Nthmond seemed to get better and we became horrible!

From the replay there are a couple of last quarter examples that stand out;

- The first was when Casboult has pushed forward and was basically one out on the HFF goal side of his opponent with clear space behind him. We kicked it short straight into the arms of a waiting medium defender.

- In another, Kreuzer was left goal-side of his opponent at CHF, again with a clear F50 behind him, and we kicked it short to the wall of small defenders. In and around those attempts, Nthmond scored twice opening up a multiple goal lead.

Both our failed kicks could have been 10m past the target and would have resulted in a scoring shot, the only place we couldn't kick the ball was short and that is exactly where we kicked it!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #37 – March 26, 2018, 01:45:36 pm

Quote from: LP on March 26, 2018, 12:12:13 pm

True, but once the fast break 1st Qtr action was no longer an option our quality of ball use seem to dessicate very quickly.

Later in the game, when things were there to be won check out our efficiency, Nthmond seemed to get better and we became horrible!

From the replay there are a couple of last quarter examples that stand out;

- The first was when Casboult has pushed forward and was basically one out on the HFF goal side of his opponent with clear space behind him. We kicked it short straight into the arms of a waiting medium defender.

- In another, Kreuzer was left goal-side of his opponent at CHF, again with a clear F50 behind him, and we kicked it short to the wall of small defenders. In and around those attempts, Nthmond scored twice opening up a multiple goal lead.

Both our failed kicks could have been 10m past the target and would have resulted in a scoring shot, the only place we couldn't kick the ball was short and that is exactly where we kicked it!

That might have had more to do with Kennedy and Kreuzer both having less effect on the game as it wore on.

We are already a young side. Doing it for 4 quarters against the team that just won the flag is always going to be a big ask.

Like you said, we did better early and dropped off.

Provided we highlight where it fell over, its not an issue.

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Reply #38 – March 26, 2018, 01:52:23 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on March 26, 2018, 01:45:36 pm

That might have had more to do with Kennedy and Kreuzer both having less effect on the game as it wore on.

We are already a young side. Doing it for 4 quarters against the team that just won the flag is always going to be a big ask.

Like you said, we did better early and dropped off.

Provided we highlight where it fell over, its not an issue.

It's not like we failed to create the opportunities, we were just rubbish at implementing them when they arrived.

Old legs, young legs, maybe just excuses legs! One I think was Murphy, the other I think was Garlett.

In the dying moments, when the flag is there to be won, it will have to be done with tired legs old or young! That all happens above the shoulders, it's not a fitness issue, it's not about youth or experience! It wasn't a decision issue, the target was the right choice.

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #39 – March 26, 2018, 02:10:45 pm

I think if Kreuzer doesn’t get up our best option is Casboult and McKay rotating, worked ok in JLT2 and the other guys are too underdone.

Wouldn’t mind seeing one of Plowman or Weitering moved up to the wing and through the middle and bring in someone like O’Shea for Kennedy. Maybe even move Mullett into the middle for a bit.

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Reply #40 – March 26, 2018, 02:11:54 pm

Herald Sun:

"ON THE BLOCK: The Blues have two major injury worries. Matthew Kennedy hurt his ankle early in the loss to Richmond and missed the second half. Expect him to miss the Suns game. Ruckman Matthew Kreuzer is also in doubt after hurting his groin."

Look ominous

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Reply #41 – March 26, 2018, 02:18:24 pm

Quote from: Navy Maven on March 26, 2018, 02:10:45 pm

Wouldn’t mind seeing one of Plowman or Weitering moved up to the wing and through the middle and bring in someone like O’Shea for Kennedy. Maybe even move Mullett into the middle for a bit.

Yes, it seems a reshuffle is the best option given a lack of in form ready-made replacements.

btw., lots of not too good SpecialK rumors floating around, hopefully they are just rubbish, but there's a lot of them and it's often a bad sign because the rumor mills often get the result right but the reason wrong!

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #42 – March 26, 2018, 02:54:43 pm

Quote from: townsendcalling on March 26, 2018, 02:11:54 pm

Herald Sun:

"ON THE BLOCK: The Blues have two major injury worries. Matthew Kennedy hurt his ankle early in the loss to Richmond and missed the second half. Expect him to miss the Suns game. Ruckman Matthew Kreuzer is also in doubt after hurting his groin."

Look ominous

Chances are the Hun knows no more than you or I.

And Kennedy did the ankle in Q1; when he came back on in Q2 he lasted 5 seconds....

9 days rest before the GC, a lot can happen - and change - in that period.

So bad rumours on Matt K? What are they?

Re: 2018 Rd 2: Pre game Palaver; Carlton vs. Gold Coast

Reply #43 – March 26, 2018, 05:14:04 pm

Cunningham and McKay should both play this week, they've been on the list long enough and it's time we found out if they're good enough.

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Reply #44 – March 26, 2018, 05:23:20 pm

Quote from: Thryleon on March 26, 2018, 12:29:18 am

I spotted Kreuzer at the local woollies. He had a chat to one of the staff in fresh produce and was asked how it's going and he said ok. The staff member asked him if he'd be up and about next week and his answer was affirmative.

Whilst I can appreciate he isn't going to come out and say no, he didn't have to be definitive.

It wasn’t Cliff from Clematis by any chance?