Carlton Supporters Club

So if there was a state election this weekend, would you vote for Dan Andrews and his government or would you be voting for someone else?
The third option is for if you are voting Independent for another smaller party, or even possibly one of Greens or Liberal Party, but you won't be voting for Dan Andrews

with all due respect I think it would be quite silly to change leadership at this point in time.

maybe in a month or so, things would change, but thats the way it goes.  Imagine getting another party in to run matters now.  It would be bedlam at all levels.

with all due respect I think it would be quite silly to change leadership at this point in time.

maybe in a month or so, things would change, but thats the way it goes.  Imagine getting another party in to run matters now.  It would be bedlam at all levels.

Yes I don't particularly disagree, but it is more gauging happiness with the government.
I tend to agree that it would be a disaster right now in the middle of a pandemic

In footy terms, Dan had a good first quarter, a shocker in the second, but his second half has been tough without being pretty.  Funny thing is, if you finish in front at the final siren, nobody usually remembers the score at half time......

In footy terms, Dan had a good first quarter, a shocker in the second, but his second half has been tough without being pretty.  Funny thing is, if you finish in front at the final siren, nobody usually remembers the score at half time......

That is an interesting analogy Tonyo.
So for the record, whilst it has been a bit dirty, you are reasonably okay with Dan's last say 4-6 weeks? Say from mid August?
I won't argue that point with you, the main purpose of the poll was just to gauge feelings, so I am only interested, because it goes along with what I think the majority of people might feel.

In footy terms, Dan had a good first quarter, a shocker in the second, but his second half has been tough without being pretty.  Funny thing is, if you finish in front at the final siren, nobody usually remembers the score at half time......

He's the analogy that keeps running around in my head. An arsonist lites a fire then turns up to put the fire out and seemingly saves the day. He 's still an arsonist.

I've no idea, I'm not unhappy with Andrews regarding COVID, but I can't say his government have done well on other things like the sale of the ports which has setup Victoria to be ripped off by the Chinese for the next hundred years.

The Belt and Road stuff is astounding, to me it looks like for Dan it's a "Better Red than Dead!" scenario his government is playing out!

In his favour, the opposition are down right pitiful, you can't vote them in just for the sake of change!

I could not vote for him ever again. The East-West link (costing hundreds of millions) of our money, red shirts, incompetence and lies about hotel quarantine,  the abuse of powers (curfew for no good medical reasons) most significantly his outright single mindedness about the maintenance of excessive restrictions in parts of VIC that are COVID free. I know personally two people who have lost their business and there was simply no need.

On a personal note, if the guy gets on stage one more time and talks about decisions being made collectively and then proceeds to revert to "I decided", "I am accountable", I will spew up! His marketing team should be sacked as a start.

The opposition, don't make is a logical choice however! 

For me, it is about which party is going to:
a) make the State a better place
b) protect/look after the vulnerable the best
c) which party appears to have more integrity

I will admit that I don't necessarily know how to judge this as a lot of the talk is about 'me, me, me'

at the moment the choices are *****crickets*****.  The void of leadership, creation of division in society and total lack of integrity both State and Federally are very disheartening.

I could not vote for him ever again. The East-West link (costing hundreds of millions) of our money

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The opposition, don't make is a logical choice however! 

I've said this a couple times on here now. I've forgotten the specifics but will summarise as best i can.

The east-west thing he cops a lot of flak for. From memory Libs signed the papers on it right before labour took over. Estimated cost of $4Bil.

Dan gets into power and has his crew look over it in his first week in office and says its BS. That $4B estimate is way off and its more like $20B. So he is faced with a choice.
a) Go ahead with it, and get accused of going overbudget five-fold.
b) Scrap it, and pay out $1B in doing so and get nothing for it.
He was on a hiding to nothing and it was all set up by the previous government.......a smart political move on their behalf.

Now, we all know he went with 'b'. What he's done with the money is transform the rest of melbournes roads by eliminated level crossings as well as set up the 'missing link' up north and obviously other projects as well. All of this was done with the 'extra' money he would've had to spend to fulfil the bogus contract.

Given those 2 scenarios, i'm happy with his choice.

To be fair, i was not happy with that whole scenario for years until one day i heard an interview with him and he was asked about it. Once you heard him explain the facts, and the options it left him, you can't fault his logic on the matter.

I've said this a couple times on here now. I've forgotten the specifics but will summarise as best i can.

The east-west thing he cops a lot of flak for. From memory Libs signed the papers on it right before labour took over. Estimated cost of $4Bil.

Dan gets into power and has his crew look over it in his first week in office and says its BS. That $4B estimate is way off and its more like $20B. So he is faced with a choice.
a) Go ahead with it, and get accused of going overbudget five-fold.
b) Scrap it, and pay out $1B in doing so and get nothing for it.
He was on a hiding to nothing and it was all set up by the previous government.......a smart political move on their behalf.

Now, we all know he went with 'b'. What he's done with the money is transform the rest of melbournes roads by eliminated level crossings as well as set up the 'missing link' up north and obviously other projects as well. All of this was done with the 'extra' money he would've had to spend to fulfil the bogus contract.

Given those 2 scenarios, i'm happy with his choice.

To be fair, i was not happy with that whole scenario for years until one day i heard an interview with him and he was asked about it. Once you heard him explain the facts, and the options it left him, you can't fault his logic on the matter.

Logic just isnt sensational enough I am afraid.  It doesnt win votes, and it doesnt make a good headline.

Spending 1 billion to not build a road wins headlines though.

How's that West Gate tunnel going?

Dan gets into power and has his crew look over it in his first week in office and says its BS. That $4B estimate is way off and its more like $20B. So he is faced with a choice.
a) Go ahead with it, and get accused of going overbudget five-fold.
b) Scrap it, and pay out $1B in doing so and get nothing for it.
He was on a hiding to nothing and it was all set up by the previous government.......a smart political move on their behalf.

One small problem with that was that he told the public during the election campaign that it was going to cost (dont quote me on the figure) something in the order of $100-150M to tear up. He has spent something in the order of $1-1.2B I think.
As for his West Gate Tunnel debacle...

One small problem with that was that he told the public during the election campaign that it was going to cost (dont quote me on the figure) something in the order of $100-150M to tear up. He has spent something in the order of $1-1.2B I think.
As for his West Gate Tunnel debacle...

To say nothing of the fact that he received Federal funding for East West link, kept it and refused to repay it.  Such principles

To say nothing of the fact that he received Federal funding for East West link, kept it and refused to repay it.  Such principles

Well yeah there's that too, let's not quibble over a few measly shekels. ;D  ;D

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/china-s-gateway-daniel-andrews-belt-and-road-pitch-to-beijing-20201002-p561b9.html#comments

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/china-s-gateway-daniel-andrews-belt-and-road-pitch-to-beijing-20201002-p561b9.html#comments

Sobering to say the least

No comment. I am done with Andrews.

He's the analogy that keeps running around in my head. An arsonist lites a fire then turns up to put the fire out and seemingly saves the day. He 's still an arsonist.

Sums it up nicely. The guy's political career ended with the second wave. Whether he wants to accept it or not is another thing.

Dan somehow reminds me of every Essendon supporter I've ever spoken to who still denies any wrongdoing by the club over the "supplements" saga.

The choice of leaders though..... urgh! The Lib loser with the most punchable face I've ever seen (not that I'm advocating violence)?

Sums it up nicely. The guy's political career ended with the second wave. Whether he wants to accept it or not is another thing.

Dan somehow reminds me of every Essendon supporter I've ever spoken to who still denies any wrongdoing by the club over the "supplements" saga.

The choice of leaders though..... urgh! The Lib loser with the most punchable face I've ever seen (not that I'm advocating violence)?

As I said jeza, dig a big hole, push em all into it, back fill it and start again. Disillusionment is un understatement.

As I said jeza, dig a big hole, push em all into it, back fill it and start again. Disillusionment is un understatement.

It's like that episode of Southpark where Cartman was running for class president on the platform of: well you have the choice between a douchebag and a turd sandwich anyway - so you might as well choose me.

It all depends on perspective.  As for the previously quoted analogy, arsonists start fires knowing full well they will create damage. 
COVID has caught most of the world off-guard. 

No doubt Andrews et al screwed up on the hotel quarantine thing (NSW Gov was damn close with Ruby Princess....), but they're certainly not alone in COVID screw-ups across the globe. 

But instead of swanning off with his fat-cat pollie pension like most would do, Andrews has fronted up to the media every single day since and stared the naysayers in the face.  Whichever way you look at it, that shows some backbone, which is something sadly lacking in most of our 'leaders'.

If Andrews had gone (like many suggested) when it went pear-shaped, I have no doubt we would be royally f***ed by now. 

Let's deal with the problem at hand, and worry about the fallout later.

It all depends on perspective.  As for the previously quoted analogy, arsonists start fires knowing full well they will create damage. 
COVID has caught most of the world off-guard. 

No doubt Andrews et al screwed up on the hotel quarantine thing (NSW Gov was damn close with Ruby Princess....), but they're certainly not alone in COVID screw-ups across the globe. 

But instead of swanning off with his fat-cat pollie pension like most would do, Andrews has fronted up to the media every single day since and stared the naysayers in the face.  Whichever way you look at it, that shows some backbone, which is something sadly lacking in most of our 'leaders'.

If Andrews had gone (like many suggested) when it went pear-shaped, I have no doubt we would be royally f***ed by now. 

Let's deal with the problem at hand, and worry about the fallout later.

x2.

Do you see the opposition? how about Tim Smith, he seems like a real go getting winner/f*ckwit.

So who else with the Labor party then? or the Greens? Maybe an independent?

The calling of the resignation/sacking/voting out of Andrews to me is a very emotional response at a situation where you want to apportion blame.  It could happen anywhere and it has overseas. 

Put aside use of security guards - every hotel quarantine has done the same.  I would like to know why it took so long to work out how far the spread got without it being detected until it had gone too far.  Is it Andrews' fault that a dept/depts in his ministry f*cked up with that?  Should he be asking that question x daily 'have you made sure you're contact tracing correctly?'  People/positions/depts are definitely accountable for that, but it's simplistic to go to the top to direct the blame; because let's face it, you most likely didn't think much of Dan anyway.

If that's the case, can we expect the resignation of Gladys for the Ruby Princess farce or Scumo for the Aged Care deaths - when the Feds were told in March how to safeguard aged care after the initial outbreak in the NSW aged care centre? to which, they did absolutely zero?

If Andrews had gone (like many suggested) when it went pear-shaped, I have no doubt we would be royally f***ed by now. 

Yes, it's a huge assumption that things will or won't be better, which is why I've argued for the devil you know.

Same applies to the changing of the security firms, that is more about punishing them than it is about making the situation better.

You could easily argue it's even making things worse, because a lot of the experienced gain from mistakes is removed when you install a fresh crew, the departing contract holders have no obligation to share the acquired knowledge! This is often seen in industry, when wages get too high the management or board do a slash and burn of staff and wages, replacing high cost embedded knowledge and experience with low cost learners working off the documentation, the assumption being each time you go through this process the learning phase gets smaller due to the retained knowledge. But it is a big if, and in my experience it is a 50/50 proposition with usually the biggest winners being some executive or board member getting a bonus for reducing costs, with very little benefit to the organisation.

I think the very best solution is to lock in all the gained experience and knowledge with an increased level of over-sight and governance.

Throwing the baby out with the bath-water just gives the people making the errors an easy way out, they may even be hoping that is what happens to them rather than being held accountable!

If mum growls at the child for spilling the cocoa powder, then cleans it up for them after the child walks away red-faced, the child never learns a lesson in the same way they would do if they had to stay and clean up their own mess! They always have to be made to fix up their mess, at least make an attempt even if they do a sub-standard job, because the result can always be touched up later.

x2.

Do you see the opposition? how about Tim Smith, he seems like a real go getting winner/f*ckwit.

So who else with the Labor party then? or the Greens? Maybe an independent?

The calling of the resignation/sacking/voting out of Andrews to me is a very emotional response at a situation where you want to apportion blame.  It could happen anywhere and it has overseas. 

Put aside use of security guards - every hotel quarantine has done the same.  I would like to know why it took so long to work out how far the spread got without it being detected until it had gone too far.  Is it Andrews' fault that a dept/depts in his ministry f*cked up with that?  Should he be asking that question x daily 'have you made sure you're contact tracing correctly?'  People/positions/depts are definitely accountable for that, but it's simplistic to go to the top to direct the blame; because let's face it, you most likely didn't think much of Dan anyway.

If that's the case, can we expect the resignation of Gladys for the Ruby Princess farce or Scumo for the Aged Care deaths - when the Feds were told in March how to safeguard aged care after the initial outbreak in the NSW aged care centre? to which, they did absolutely zero?

This isn't an emotional response. This was a very public test of the competence of Daniel Andrews and he's been shown to be incompetent at every step of the way. It seems really bizarre to lump all of that together and write it off as an "emotional" response.

He should have stepped aside and let Jacinta Allan or someone take over, remove those responsible and formulate a plan for safely reopening in a surgical-precision type way that protects the high risk areas and reopens the economy as quickly as possible.

What are we getting from Dan? Lock everyone at home, mandatory masks everywhere and no sophisticated approach to protecting us from meat packing plant workers, returned travellers, high level protections for carers, etc. and a massive focus on the aged care facilities.

Wear a mask and stay home for months cos that works. We know it works but it also devastates the state.

Dan is just not competent enough to manage this and I really don't see a counter-argument here.

(I voted for Dan by the way)

For one moment contemplate this scenario.

In a hypothetical revision of Victoria's COVID journey, Dan Andrews appoints ADF personnell to run hotel quarantine.

Put that in the context of how some people like to call him Despot Dan, Dictator Dan, giving everyone their taste of Communism, etc.

Would he be viewed any differently?

Also, entertain another idea for a moment.  There wont be a vaccine.  I have heard through the grapevine from epidemiologists that there will not be an effective COVID vaccine in the near future.  The suggestions there will be are as much a prevent panic, and sell hope strategy that will eventually bring Chickens home to roost.

The majority of people screaming the loudest about this stuff, seem to be able to assert with absolute certainty, things that they know should and would have happened differently had we taken XYZ action.

Thing is, in hindsight we are all champions.  There is some bone headed stuff that has occurred, and you would like to think that people will be accountable for it and we will find out what happens, but we probably wont.  For all we know, there were other things that went wrong, but people are so fixated they dont know any different.

What are we getting from Dan? Lock everyone at home, mandatory masks everywhere and no sophisticated approach to protecting us from meat packing plant workers, returned travellers, high level protections for carers, etc. and a massive focus on the aged care facilities.

Wear a mask and stay home for months cos that works. We know it works but it also devastates the state.

Dan is just not competent enough to manage this and I really don't see a counter-argument here.

(I voted for Dan by the way)

What are the alternatives to isolation?

Isolation it's clearly the best solution even if the concept of extinction is misplaced, the long term price we will pay will come from the Norbits at St Kilda and Altona beach last weekend. Thanks to them we will be back in lock-down before you know it, in a desperate attempt to curtail the millions or perhaps even billions of dollars in medical expenses something like COVID brings in both the short term and the long term!

I wish it was different, we all do, and ignoring the USA which like the St KIlda / Altona crowd is it's own worst enemy, what is now happening in countries like Sweden, Italy, Ireland, UK, France and Germany tells us a very different story. There is no magic bullet, and failure to treat this situation seriously has very real consequences.

For one moment contemplate this scenario.

In a hypothetical revision of Victoria's COVID journey, Dan Andrews appoints ADF personnell to run hotel quarantine.

Put that in the context of how some people like to call him Despot Dan, Dictator Dan, giving everyone their taste of Communism, etc.

Would he be viewed any differently?

Agreed, all the complaining is just window dressing for an excuse not to comply, an excuse to be different, an excuse to be another Karen or Corey!

Many of the complainers wanted us to follow Sweden, Ireland, even Italy was held up as a gold standard and a great long term result from a bad bad situation, now all those countries are all falling like dominoes back into the mire! You'll have to dig to find reports about it though, it's not going to appear on Fox or News Ltd, because they want the bottom line restored at any cost!

The USA is forked, protesting it's way into anarchy, and here they call for similar freedoms to decline, do or deny whatever they like ignoring the lessons. We do not have a fraction of the wealth needed to deal with this pandemic if it gets out of hand, and if it gets out of hand globally the price will be far higher than a few weeks at home and some lost income!

What are we getting from Dan? Lock everyone at home, mandatory masks everywhere and no sophisticated approach to protecting us from meat packing plant workers, returned travellers, high level protections for carers, etc. and a massive focus on the aged care facilities.

Wear a mask and stay home for months cos that works. We know it works but it also devastates the state.

Dan is just not competent enough to manage this and I really don't see a counter-argument here.

(I voted for Dan by the way)

Problem is, Jeza, we have a % of the population who aren't even sophisticated (or smart) enough to wear a mask, stay within 5km of their home, and not have birthday parties. They screw it for all of us because they think none of it applies to them. 

Dan et al had hours and days, not weeks and months, to implement a workable plan.  They simply went with lowest common denominator,  because it is the lowest common denominators that this virus absolutely thrives upon. 

I am no fan of what we have to put up with, but pretending it will just go away is mindless. And don't even get me started about the idiots dancing on St Kilda beach.......

For one moment contemplate this scenario.

In a hypothetical revision of Victoria's COVID journey, Dan Andrews appoints ADF personnell to run hotel quarantine.

Put that in the context of how some people like to call him Despot Dan, Dictator Dan, giving everyone their taste of Communism, etc.

Would he be viewed any differently?

Also, entertain another idea for a moment.  There wont be a vaccine.  I have heard through the grapevine from epidemiologists that there will not be an effective COVID vaccine in the near future.  The suggestions there will be are as much a prevent panic, and sell hope strategy that will eventually bring Chickens home to roost.

The majority of people screaming the loudest about this stuff, seem to be able to assert with absolute certainty, things that they know should and would have happened differently had we taken XYZ action.

Thing is, in hindsight we are all champions.  There is some bone headed stuff that has occurred, and you would like to think that people will be accountable for it and we will find out what happens, but we probably wont.  For all we know, there were other things that went wrong, but people are so fixated they dont know any different.

In my view if you want to call Dan something it's Dumbass Dan. Delusional maybe.

My main frustration here is that this criticism involves ZERO convenient hindsight. I was saying for weeks the hotel quarantine was a crazy idea full stop. You only had to see the daily covid cases - sometimes 11 in one day and 10 of them were in hotel quarantine. Why???? Why were we letting those sorts of numbers back in and why bring them on a bus to the most heavily populated part of the state to quarantine - and pay for it?? We should have set up some portables in the middle of paddocks in Puckapunyal and had the ADF patrolling. When devastation of the entire state is at risk that is what should have been happening and I was saying it for weeks - right up until we hit 700 cases per day.

What did Dan do? He had guys who mind a turnstile at Marvel Stadium sharing lifts with returned travellers then going home to large family gatherings/prayer groups. To say it was madness doesn't do it justice. It is unconscionable, it cost lives and livelihoods on a scale beyond any other stuff-up in the history of the country.

Those who question the arsonist analogy are probably right. He's more akin to a guy on a day of total fire ban that decides today's the day I'm going test my homemade fireworks... then shows up to try put the fire out and play the hero.

Problem is, Jeza, we have a % of the population who aren't even sophisticated (or smart) enough to wear a mask, stay within 5km of their home, and not have birthday parties. They screw it for all of us because they think none of it applies to them. 

Dan et al had hours and days, not weeks and months, to implement a workable plan.  They simply went with lowest common denominator,  because it is the lowest common denominators that this virus absolutely thrives upon. 

I am no fan of what we have to put up with, but pretending it will just go away is mindless. And don't even get me started about the idiots dancing on St Kilda beach.......

I agree. Not saying we need to throw away the masks and reopen today in true Karen style.

But where's the sophistication here? This focus on pure indefinite lockdown with no precise tactics designed to keep us safer than we were last time fills me with absolute dread because the same thing is going to happen.

Anyway - that's enough ranting for one day.

We should have set up some portables in the middle of paddocks in Puckapunyal and had the ADF patrolling.

Unfortunately @jeza‍ , the people they need to lock up are probably asymptomatic super-spreaders who were out partying at St Kilda over the weekend, not the severely ill in isolation wards!

The bad ones are the fake-an-illness mask exemption types, it's only a cold types, and then what happens is the government is labelled totalitarian locking up people who seem not sick!

They need to lock up the Trump types, dumb-arse joy-riders out to prove there is nothing wrong with them, Typhoid Trump!

In my view if you want to call Dan something it's Dumbass Dan. Delusional maybe.

My main frustration here is that this criticism involves ZERO convenient hindsight. I was saying for weeks the hotel quarantine was a crazy idea full stop. You only had to see the daily covid cases - sometimes 11 in one day and 10 of them were in hotel quarantine. Why???? Why were we letting those sorts of numbers back in and why bring them on a bus to the most heavily populated part of the state to quarantine - and pay for it?? We should have set up some portables in the middle of paddocks in Puckapunyal and had the ADF patrolling. When devastation of the entire state is at risk that is what should have been happening and I was saying it for weeks - right up until we hit 700 cases per day.

What did Dan do? He had guys who mind a turnstile at Marvel Stadium sharing lifts with returned travellers then going home to large family gatherings/prayer groups. To say it was madness doesn't do it justice. It is unconscionable, it cost lives and livelihoods on a scale beyond any other stuff-up in the history of the country.

Those who question the arsonist analogy are probably right. He's more akin to a guy on a day of total fire ban that decides today's the day I'm going test my homemade fireworks... then shows up to try put the fire out and play the hero.

I think you missed the point of me asking that question.  This isnt about absolving Dan's decision making in hindsight, or stating he didnt know any different.

My main frustration is that people keep talking like they know that things would be better or different had the ADF been involved, but there is a simple reality being missed about this.  Imagine someone being described as a despot basically enforcing martial law for returned travellers.

How do you think he would be viewed?

Let alone take them to remote areas for quarantine.

Amazing stuff.  These people have rights they arent cattle to be put in pastures in the middle of nowhere, and most of them thumbed their noses at the process anyway.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-15/nsw-coronavirus-update-seven-new-cases-testing-rates-down/12664366

ADF aren't angels (for those who think this is an ABC bias, it is on plenty of other news sites as well)

One of my mates sons has recently joined the police force and was stationed at the housing commission when that went into it's own lockdown.  Said it was absolute chaos.

Reckons that ADF would have set up HQ and had a strong chain of command - something that was sorely missing.  This is where the difference - security guys don't have the understanding or discipline.

Back to the question - because the options are so terrible, people look to the fringe that represents their views the closest.  The result is a disjointed and disfunctional parliament because a heap of fringe groups that are policy shallow need to be appeased to get legislation through.  Personally, I rarely vote same upper and lower house parties (but keep to the main) - keep the b#$stards honest and all that.

Daniel Andrews disdain for women who challenge him is concerning

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-daniel-andrews-disdain-for-women-who-challenge-him-is-concerning/news-story/aff2c863ef2e27953db6c165cf7dc04e

Dan Andrews appears to have a problem with strong women who have the courage to stand up to him.

We have seen the Premier be a mixture of condescending, dismissive and openly hostile to the female members of the media who have dared pose tough questions at his daily press conference.

It can make for uncomfortable viewing as the Premier switches from the jovial, matey tone he reserves for the likes of Lundy, Noely and Raffy to the barely concealed disdain he appears to have for many of the women who’ve challenged him, including Peta Credlin, Rachel Baxendale and Gabriella Power.

That behaviour has emboldened the Dan cult to be ever more misogynistic in their attacks against any woman seen to challenge Dear Leader, even if that “challenge” is wearing a certain T-shirt or feeling sympathy for a small-business owner.

Last week Sam Armytage was in the crosshairs of the dementedly dimwitted #istandwithDan mob who are also regularly trending the #DanforPM hashtag.

Armytage’s great offence was to express support for struggling shop owner Harry Hutchinson who was fined $10,000 for opening his Berwick store, Harry’s Clothing, during lockdown. That was enough for an almighty pile-on, with gutless keyboard warriors attacking the Sunrise host en masse.

The freebie, click-bait news sites (and I use the term “news” loosely) were in overdrive fanning the hysteria further with reports approvingly regurgitating some of the abuse from Twitter trolls.

Much of the ugly abuse is not fit for publication but it saw Armytage trend for most of the day on the social media site. It’s incredible just how sexist and intolerant people who claim to be feminists, both male and female, can be when a woman expresses an opinion perceived as critical of their man, Dan.

On Monday it was Jaggad owner Bec Judd who was trending on Twitter thanks to a mass meltdown from the Dan disciples. What had she done, you may ask?

Did she deliberately break restrictions, launch a blistering attack against “Dictator Dan” or make a provocative political statement? No, the mother of four wore a T-shirt raising money for Beyond Blue saying “Free Melbourne” while she did her hair in an “Instagram story” (brief videos or images that disappear within 24 hours of being posted). That’s it.

That was enough to have her trending on Twitter because apparently anything other than blind devotion to not only Dan but also the world’s longest lockdown is tantamount to heresy. Again, much of the abuse Judd copped was sexist, vicious and borne of jealousy.

The phenomenon of mass trolling anyone who isn’t seen to be sufficiently supportive of Dan has even led to prominent leftist women being targeted, including the ABC’s Patricia Karvelas and former Age writer Jill Stark.

But the harshest online attacks have been reserved for women in the media, both journalists and commentators, who call out the litany of lies and errors that have characterised Victoria’s COVID-19 response.

While Dan’s media mates serve up Dorothy Dixers and run interference for the Premier at the pressers, a number of fierce females have strived to keep Andrews accountable for his many mistakes, mistruths and daily sessions in spin and obfuscation.

No journalist has done as much as Credlin in applying pressure on Andrews and the Coate inquiry to expose the truth. And for that, she has copped the worst of the invective. It’s one thing to have nameless, faceless trolls undermining Credlin but there’s no shortage of envious media operatives who are also questioning whether she has a right to be at the press conference.
The Age’s Chip Le Grand wrote Credlin “is not a journalist, she is a partisan, political operative. Mr Andrews is within his rights to tell her to bugger off”. Perhaps if more journalists did their job, Credlin wouldn’t have to attend.

The Age also ran a pathetic hit-job by a left-wing academic who called Credlin “part of the shrill chorus of right-wing pundits who appear after dark on Rupert Murdoch’s Sky News pay television channel”, which he laughably claimed is “devoted to promoting extreme, anti-scientific and often offensive views that reflect a reactionary ideology”.

It’s adorable that a far-left, taxpayer-funded hack believes he is fair, impartial and in tune with the mainstream.

Sky News, far from being extreme, was the only TV network sufficiently in touch with the Australian public to recognise the backlash against Labor’s radical policies at last year’s federal election. Meanwhile, staff at that billion-dollar tax drain, the ABC, continue to be among Dan’s biggest supporters, just as they were with Bill Shorten. Remember him?

Dunno if I'll vote for Dan, but I might.  Hotel quarantine was a debacle, when compared against the other states, but not compared to the rest of the world.  As mentioned above, hindsight is a wonderful thing, and maybe it would have gotten out anyway, but probably not if done better. 

The question we always ask at work in times of crisis is how to fix it and how to stop it happening again.  Acknowledge mistakes were made, but the focus must be on how to resolve the crisis.  I think Dan's done that.  When we recording 700 cases a day nobody can deny we were looking at heading the way of much of the rest of the world.  If drastic actions weren't taken we'd now be like the US, Europe, etc...  It would be too hard to contain and trace, and our deaths would be much higher. 

If Vic didn't lock down and just let the thing run rampant once it was out, we would not be looking at something resembling normal by Christmas.  As it stands, if Vic can become like NSW & Qld, then the whole country can open our internal borders (except maybe WA) and shops.  If we had cracked a month ago, when we had 20-50 odd cases a day, it wouldn't take long for that to have climbed again.  Feds are slagging Dan for staying the course, but the end result of staying the course will be good for the entire country, not just Vics.  It's not about how we look in a month's time, it's how we look over the course of the next year or so.

And even so, there is still a real risk the bloody thing hangs around, escapes again, and causes more problems.  It's the nature of the beast.  But - the more we take it seriously, and the more seriously we take the lessons learnt, the more likely we can contain it next time.

They wanted 1000 rich mates at the Cox plate on Saturday and only reversed the decision because of the backlash.

Like the local council elections, I would tick my name off so I don't get fined, wipe my ass with the ballot paper and stick it in the box.

Daniel Andrews disdain for women who challenge him is concerning

My wife listens to his press conferences like its her new religeon.

There has been numerous times that she's shouted at the tv, telling the female reports to stop asking stupid questions and let it go.
If my wife was anymore feminist she'd be shacking up with another chick, so for her to say that it was clearly about what she was saying, not what was between her legs (or not).

Its basically like Mick Malthouse cracking the crap$ with Mark Stevens back in the day. If you're a knob, you get treated like one.

There has been numerous times that she's shouted at the tv, telling the female reports to stop asking stupid questions and let it go.
If my wife was anymore feminist she'd be shacking up with another chick, so for her to say that it was clearly about what she was saying, not what was between her legs (or not).

Have to agree with Mrs Kruddler - numerous times where statements have been made from the podium (not just by Andrews), only to have a female reporter ask a question that had just been answered.

My missus and no.2 daughter want to smash the TV whenever he is on.

MBB - That article says more about Dan's followers, than Dan.  However, if you look at the commonality between Panahi, Credlin, Baxendale and Power, it may tell you why he treats them with disdain.

There absolutely is a mess which he and Sutton should be accountable for, and questions need raising.  It will be interesting to see what the inquiry comes back with, particularly as it re-opened its doors - remaining to see how long for.

In terms of his daily conferences - good on him for fronting up, but is there a point anymore?  His followers will sing his praises, his critics will ask questions re: hotel quarantines etc and who knew what - which he isn't going to answer and he has said time again that he isn't going to answer, and those that are curious are more likely to have switched off as there isn't really anything new being said.

Early on, when he was outlining stages, at one point he said there will be a stage 4 (I think we were in stage 2) - it was like he was making things up on the spot as you do with young kids.  Unfortunately, people now are questioning seeming inconsistencies and as things are going to be relaxed, it still seems like they are randomly making it up.

It is going to be hard to have controls policed once things do start opening up, because we are champing at the bit to get out of our house and back into things.

I feel Like you’re baiting me by 1 quoting Rita Panahi and 2 Herald Sun!

Bzzzz wrong.

Honestly, have you watched one press conference from start to finish?  Have you listened for yourself. I wish you wouldn’t read Rita, HS, The Age, watch Sky etc etc.

Do you know why? Because they misrepresent every single day, what is said. I watch most of them and listen closely. The men who speak to him in such an arrogant unnecessarily rude tone are spoken to in the same way - a polite refuting of the False statements they’re throwing at him to get a ‘grab’ for their grubby Daddy Murdoch.

I wish he’d do the conferences at 7pm so everyone was free to watch them every day. I guarantee most people would feel disdain for these absolutely unprofessional gits - whipping their readers into a frenzy.

Did you know at the presser today and on The Australian, Dan was accused of killing 4 babies in south Australia? Do you know they put that to him at the presser and printed it? Because 4 babies apparently were locked out by him. The absolute rage I feel about this blatant lie is beyond anything I’ve felt for a long time. To drag 4 families through politics to score a point against something that is getting lashed every day, yet turns up again the next day. It is despicable and completely untrue. Look into it yourself.

Re Sam - bzzzt wrong again. She put on Instagram that she is trying to ‘help free Victoria’ and intimated that she’s received 100’s of messages asking for help because dan is keeping us in lockdown and she did a martyr post about helping all Victorians. Personally I don’t need the help of someone who counts ALAN JONES as a close friend and mentor. You know, the
Misogynist who said Julia Gillard should be put in a bag and thrown in the harbour, amongst a million other criminal incitements - Cronulla riots? Forcing the head of the Opera House to allow betting advertising on the Opera House via Gladys and on and on.

BecJudd - bzzzt. She put a post on her Instagram about 6 weeks ago showing off her free crap she gets from businesses because she Spriuks them online to get more money - she loves her freebies and $$$ let me tell you. On that, she wrote Dictator Dan has us locked up etc. She lives on the Bay, $7m renovated mansion pool spa full size tennis court, getting free crap for her kids and all kinds of stuff for herself including gourmet food - and she has the audacity to say she’s living in a dictatorship and is in jail. She then posts a pick of her new nose job b
Plus flogging her skincare range and overpriced Jaggad leggings with a Free Melbourne tshirt on. Again, hello, are we actually under a dictatorship and in jail!? If only - then she’d be marched out and never seen again.

People like her and Sam Are the absolute epitome of white privilege and to whine and moan next to hashtagged free crap given to them, is damn
Offensive!

Do yourself a favour and read some other news. Rita is the cruder version of Andrew Bolt!

Loved your post M, and I don't want to trivialise it, but Bec's "pick of her new nose job" was inspired.

Do yourself a favour and read some other news. Rita is the cruder version of Andrew Bolt!

@Micky0
I agree, nice post above.

On Panahi I don't know what has happened to her, a mortgage maybe?

She wasn't always like this but she has well and truly sold out any rational line now. she seemed reasonable back in the Harf days. But I suspect in reality in recent times she saw the end coming for Bolt and decided she could grabbed the Bolt gig as he slides off into rural oblivion!

Loved your post M, and I don't want to trivialise it, but Bec's "pick of her new nose job" was inspired.

She's gone way too sharp on it this time ;)

I feel Like you’re baiting me by 1 quoting Rita Panahi and 2 Herald Sun!

Bzzzz wrong.

Honestly, have you watched one press conference from start to finish?  Have you listened for yourself. I wish you wouldn’t read Rita, HS, The Age, watch Sky etc etc.

Do you know why? Because they misrepresent every single day, what is said. I watch most of them and listen closely. The men who speak to him in such an arrogant unnecessarily rude tone are spoken to in the same way - a polite refuting of the False statements they’re throwing at him to get a ‘grab’ for their grubby Daddy Murdoch.

I wish he’d do the conferences at 7pm so everyone was free to watch them every day. I guarantee most people would feel disdain for these absolutely unprofessional gits - whipping their readers into a frenzy.

Did you know at the presser today and on The Australian, Dan was accused of killing 4 babies in south Australia? Do you know they put that to him at the presser and printed it? Because 4 babies apparently were locked out by him. The absolute rage I feel about this blatant lie is beyond anything I’ve felt for a long time. To drag 4 families through politics to score a point against something that is getting lashed every day, yet turns up again the next day. It is despicable and completely untrue. Look into it yourself.

Re Sam - bzzzt wrong again. She put on Instagram that she is trying to ‘help free Victoria’ and intimated that she’s received 100’s of messages asking for help because dan is keeping us in lockdown and she did a martyr post about helping all Victorians. Personally I don’t need the help of someone who counts ALAN JONES as a close friend and mentor. You know, the
Misogynist who said Julia Gillard should be put in a bag and thrown in the harbour, amongst a million other criminal incitements - Cronulla riots? Forcing the head of the Opera House to allow betting advertising on the Opera House via Gladys and on and on.

BecJudd - bzzzt. She put a post on her Instagram about 6 weeks ago showing off her free crap she gets from businesses because she Spriuks them online to get more money - she loves her freebies and $$$ let me tell you. On that, she wrote Dictator Dan has us locked up etc. She lives on the Bay, $7m renovated mansion pool spa full size tennis court, getting free crap for her kids and all kinds of stuff for herself including gourmet food - and she has the audacity to say she’s living in a dictatorship and is in jail. She then posts a pick of her new nose job b
Plus flogging her skincare range and overpriced Jaggad leggings with a Free Melbourne tshirt on. Again, hello, are we actually under a dictatorship and in jail!? If only - then she’d be marched out and never seen again.

People like her and Sam Are the absolute epitome of white privilege and to whine and moan next to hashtagged free crap given to them, is damn
Offensive!

Do yourself a favour and read some other news. Rita is the cruder version of Andrew Bolt!

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I’ve stopped watching the pressers because I can not handle listening to the media’s stupid repetitive questions that just constantly attacks him it honestly affects my mental health and makes me so anxious and on edge listening to them. I don’t even know if I like how he has handled COVID well there are parts that I do and parts that I don’t but the medias influence alone has basically made me a pro dan Victorian because of their behaviour towards him. 

@Micky0
I agree, nice post above.

On Panahi I don't know what has happened to her, a mortgage maybe?

She wasn't always like this but she has well and truly sold out any rational line now. she seemed reasonable back in the Harf days. But I suspect in reality in recent times she saw the end coming for Bolt and decided she could grabbed the Bolt gig as he slides off into rural oblivion!

Once you join any Murdoch outlet, you are expected to unclip your left wing and inject steroids into the one on the right.

So, if you have only one wing, apparently you see just one version of the world because you can only fly in a circle.....