Cripps is some kind of player.
Congratulations to David Teague
5 wins from 43!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 from 1 !!!!!!!!
Cripps is some kind of player.
Congratulations to David Teague
x10....He really led and delivered, that game was worth 6 brownlow votes.....
Bit of tagging might have helped too...
52 pt turnaround. When was the last time we did anything like this?
Let's move on...It's a new beginning
It's not a time for point scoring...just enjoy the win.
(sorry for the limp thread starter I was watching the song.)
52 pt turnaround. When was the last time we did anything like this?
2013 Elimination Final. that was 52pt turnaround too.
x10....He really led and delivered, that game was worth 6 brownlow votes.....
Such a shame there is a huge gulf between him and our next best. Do disrespect to The Kid (Sam Walsh), Cripps is that good.
The beauty of Kayo sports, I can watch the replay instantly from anywhere I want.
To the replay I go...hehe.
We are the Navy Blues
We are the old Dark Navy Blues
We're the team..........
Whooohooo! Let's all enjoy it folks. My only regret - I didn't go along.
Such a shame there is a huge gulf between him and our next best. Do disrespect to The Kid (Sam Walsh), Cripps is that good.
Cripps is a beast...his size and power sets him apart, when he kicked that goal in the last quarter he just brushed off Brisbane players
like Barry Hall did....
Such a shame there is a huge gulf between him and our next best. Do disrespect to The Kid (Sam Walsh), Cripps is that good.
There wouldn't be too many in all of the league that comes in very close GTC.
10 more straight wins and we play finals!
Lol!!!
Ha, well whaddya’ know.
Teague! Walsh! Cripps!
No time for point scoring? But that’s the sweetest plum! So i’d like to send a cheerio to G. Whateley who was scornful at the decision to change coaches and muttered at quarter time that the plain truth is Carlton are awful.
Teague was a great player for us, brave and willing to slug it out and very often against the odds. I'm more pleased for him than anything else. The team will learn a hell of a lot more under his coaching and shape up under adversity. SUPERB achievement.
Wonderful win.
Make no mistake. There is a lot for these blokes to improve on and you all know what they are. They have a lot of bad habits that have been drummed into them over the last 4 years, and it will take the rest of the season to effectively get them out of their collective systems.
They played with a freedom today that I haven't seen in years.
Teague has got a heap to do with these blokes. And it's obvious that we need some top quality players added to the list, while those on the list need to show that they deserve to be there.
This year will hopefully be a foundation for next year, and if David can win another 4- 5 games, I'd be inclined to give him the job.
Cripps is a beast...his size and power sets him apart, when he kicked that goal in the last quarter he just brushed off Brisbane players
like Barry Hall did....
Yes, it's just awesome to watch, like a hybrid of Diesel Williams and Wayne Carey!
Next thing he'll start kicking them from 50m!
Yes, it's just awesome to watch, like a hybrid of Diesel Williams and Wayne Carey!
Next thing he'll start kicking them from 50m!
Blokes on the wireless are saying his figures are like Lethal at his peak - 38 touches, 4 goals.
Great win and an amazing game from the skipper.
That should give the boys more confidence in their ability to win games of footy.
It was good to hear Crippa and Ed pay tribute to Bolts.
Blokes on the wireless are saying his figures are like Lethal at his peak - 38 touches, 4 goals.
Lethal was the best footballer I've ever seen, by some margin.
What I liked today was Cripps didn't panic with the football, it's been a hot potato for a few weeks and today he was prepared to ride the bumps and tackles and get away an effective disposal. Maybe it says something about the Lions midfield, but I still think Cripps can do that to anyone! Interesting thing, when Cripps is motoring with the ball it makes his team-mates get on their bike, and we look much better. When Cripps is static our other guys are static, tells me they run reactively instead of pro-actively.
Like Weiters game, because when we were crap in the 1st 1/2 he held us together. Despite Cripps effort I'd just about give Weiters BoG, because without him a result would have been beyond reach by 1/2-time!
Much prefer Marchbank getting well up the ground, if that's Teague's doing he deserves a big tick.
Thought Casboult played well in the 1st-1/2 as well, a few wobbly disposals, but couldn't falter his marking and spoiling.
Ed Curnow had some game too - 30 disposals, 4 Marks, 9 Tackles and pretty much hounded Neale all day.
Ed Curnow had some game too - 30 disposals, 4 Marks, 9 Tackles and pretty much hounded Neale all day.
Nothing like a bit of tagging to take the No 1 opposition player out of the game.....and play to your own players strengths.
Nothing like a bit of tagging to take the No 1 opposition player out of the game.....and play to your own players strengths.
Yep!
Ed Curnow had some game too - 30 disposals, 4 Marks, 9 Tackles and pretty much hounded Neale all day.
I'll watch the replay before I vote, but at the moment Ed would be in my top three with Weiters and Cripps.
Some will tell me I should have Walsh in there, but Walsh doesn't get to play freely like he did today without Ed doing the job he did in the midfield!
Gibbons best game?
This year will hopefully be a foundation for next year, and if David can win another 4- 5 games, I'd be inclined to give him the job.
I'd love for this to transpire. Really can't cop Scott as our next coach, but that's for another thread.
I'll watch the replay before I vote, but at the moment Ed would be in my top three with Weiters and Cripps.
Some will tell me I should have Walsh in there, but Walsh doesn't get to play freely like he did today without Ed doing the job he did in the midfield!
Gibbons best game?
Just about to mention Gibbons - looked excellent today - a SOS win?
I'll watch the replay before I vote, but at the moment Ed would be in my top three with Weiters and Cripps.
Some will tell me I should have Walsh in there, but Walsh doesn't get to play freely like he did today without Ed doing the job he did in the midfield!
Gibbons best game?
Gibbons hasnt been too bad in most of his games IMO, agree with your top 3 too....
Gibbons hasnt been too bad in most of his games IMO, agree with your top 3 too....
Yes I would agree but Sam Walsh was very close.
Weitering is starting to control a game like a Number 1 draft pick. Dow will make it. The way he stood his ground is a couple of marking contests was great. Give him another 50 games and 5-6 kgs and he’ll repay. Ditto O’Brien, not there yet but a couple of passages of play gave me hope.
Yes I would agree but Sam Walsh was very close.
First 30+ game for Walsh
First of many.
Weitering is starting to control a game like a Number 1 draft pick. Dow will make it. The way he stood his ground is a couple of marking contests was great. Give him another 50 games and 5-6 kgs and he’ll repay. Ditto O’Brien, not there yet but a couple of passages of play gave me hope.
Hipwood and others have got hold of us in the past, and questions have been asked about Weiters ability to go with them on the lead, looked OK today!
But still big issues, not enough ground support in D50, too many guarding grass or their own reputations. Hopefully Teague can eventually get hold of this because so far none of the coaches have changed that behaviour. Having said that, for D50 Amos has been our best performed line coach.
I worry that a game from Cripps like today's game just wallpapers over the midfield issues!
Charlie finally showing some semi-reasonable form, was today the turning of the corner?
Nothing like a bit of tagging to take the No 1 opposition player out of the game.....and play to your own players strengths.
yep, who would have thought EB!
Cripps 38 disposals
Walsh 32 disposals
Cripps 16 contested
Walsh 14 contested
Disposal efficiency Cripps 81.6% Walsh 81.3%
Cripps 7 marks
Walsh 12 marks
Cripps 5 inside 50s
Walsh 5 inside 50s
They are like twins....
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/e5/91/e9e591e4b65439605d2daa96fdbe1247.jpg)
Levi deserves a mention. Took some telling marks down back
yep, who would have thought EB!
Ed did well today, but it's horses for coarses. He's not going to stop the likes of Coniglio, Kelly or Whitfield and today's great game and result doesn't change that!
What's probably good is that Teague said he wanted players to play to their strengths, and he did what he said, no spin!
Levi deserves a mention. Took some telling marks down back
Agreed, Walsh and Casboult probably make up my Top 5.
Just watched the first 20 min of the 3rd qtr and the last 4 min again. It even marks the points where the goals are kicked so you know where to scroll. Kayo Sports is a winner just like the Blues.
Handover the Brownlow and Rising Star now.
Agreed, Walsh and Casboult probably make up my Top 5.
Never thought he'd make a backman but he's handling it very well. Going to be interesting when Jones comes back. One of the 4 taller defenders will have to unfortunately go.
Here's a catch little tune....
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-06-08/team-song-carlton?fbclid=IwAR2S4W0aKIj91Eu9fn_cvB_7FtlK5LoJK1qJXRM2t_-kUgNlZ-i3trMC_0M
McGovern really does like Teague, doesn't he. ;D ;D ;D ;D
So 10 more wins get us finals. 10 games to go, come on Teaguey, you can do it! Lol!!!!!
So 10 more wins get us finals. 10 games to go, come on Teaguey, you can do it! Lol!!!!!
Be interesting if Teague wins enough games to put him in the frame for the job but MLG and friends have done a deal
with another bigger name coach as of now....
I could see through the 2nd qtr they were really trying to get a decent running game going and by the end of it that was gradually coming together. Took them quite a while to "remember" how to do it and get it to work again.
Never thought he'd make a backman but he's handling it very well. Going to be interesting when Jones comes back. One of the 4 taller defenders will have to unfortunately go.
Jones is mobile, strong and can play a wing
Come years ended be trading one of our talls to get a small forward and another midfielder
Reading the AFL website, Neale had 24 disposals at 1/2 time, and 7 thereafter. Like most coaches, DT doesn't want to tag unless absolutely necessary.
Be interesting if Teague wins enough games to put him in the frame for the job but MLG and friends have done a deal
with another bigger name coach as in now....
I have 4 that interest me most. Ratten, Campo, Caracella and Teague simply because the latter is the incumbent. Do very well and it changes everything.
Judd said today in the HUN that there won't be any more coaches with training wheels.
Be interesting if Teague wins enough games to put him in the frame for the job but MLG and friends have done a deal
with another bigger name coach as of now....
Could be a situation like the Swans when Roos took over. He was the "people's choice."
Jones is mobile, strong and can play a wing
Come years ended be trading one of our talls to get a small forward and another midfielder
I've noticed over the recent years playing strong, tall mobile key position players on a wing works well.
Nothing like a bit of tagging to take the No 1 opposition player out of the game.....and play to your own players strengths.
Not having a dig at BB (though some might think I am) but it was really good to see some game day changes/tactics to cover one of their better players. The change to deal with Neale was very influential.
You can bet there'll be a lot of time put into other mids so Crippa doesn't have to play like this every week, though that'd be good it's too much to ask.
Encouraged by Setterfield today... just his kicking ::)
One of Ed's best games. And good to see Gibbo get amongst it.
Judd said today in the HUN that there won't be any more coaches with training wheels.
He must want out, otherwise that statement makes no sense!
He must want out, otherwise that statement makes no sense!
It didn't look like he wanted out today.
He must want out, otherwise that statement makes no sense!
I'll try to find the link again.
He must want out, otherwise that statement makes no sense!
Makes perfect sense. No more rookie senior coaches... learnt that lesson.
Reading the AFL website, Neale had 24 disposals at 1/2 time, and 7 thereafter. Like most coaches, DT doesn't want to tag unless absolutely necessary.
Most games its necessary when you are under equipped vs the opposition. Geelong even run a tagger in Guthrie and they have A graders on tap...
I think Teague is a quick learner.....Bontempelli, Hunter and MacRae next week, all need a man close.
You can guarantee Cripps will look like an Indian peak hour train with bodies hanging all over him next week, reckon Bevo would have been taking notes
and have a memory of our last game.
Ed is an excellent tagger but a very average half forward.....hope he is tagging next week.
He must want out, otherwise that statement makes no sense!
Means either an experienced coach or an assistant with a heap of experience.
Link I was after paywalled me the 2nd time.
Was stated strongly by one of the commentary team that Teague definitely wants the gig alright!
It didn't look like he wanted out today.
What's that saying about winners, losers, fathers and orphans?
Why would Judd throw a rock at previously appointing a rookie coach, when he was one of the officials doing the appointing?
Anyway, that feels like his Buckley moment of the week, or perhaps it's just some journalistic mischief!
Makes perfect sense. No more rookie senior coaches... learnt that lesson.
It's also a confession!
Where does that leave Teague, Voss, Ratten, Caracella or Camporeale?
Makes perfect sense. No more rookie senior coaches... learnt that lesson.
A little bit of a shot at Bolton if he did say it....as opposed to Cripps who was all class in mentioning Bolton in his post match.
I heard it mentioned elsewhere earlier today but I'd like to see a direct quote.
A little bit of a shot at Bolton if he did say it.....
Before the game?
Sorry to be discussing this here at this time, but I've just heard about it!
If it's true, does his position on the board and selection panel remain tenable?
I suspect the fix is probably already in....Teague could upset that with a few wins.
Unless of course a succession plan with Teague as the heir to any senior coach has already been agreed on...and that's not without some merit.
Before the game?
Sorry to be discussing this here at this time, but I've just heard about it!
If it's true, does his position on the board and selection panel remain tenable?
If it takes the thread too far off track I'll move the posts over to the 'next coach thread later tonight when it's a bit quieter.
Unless of course a succession plan with Teague as the heir to any senior coach has already been agreed on...and that's not without some merit.
A lot on here wanted Teague over a decade ago, and then again when MM got the job some wanted Worsfold and Teague or Worsfold or Teague!
But it's way too early to call, Cripps honored BB after the win, you can't write that off no matter who you favour!
I think the rumors of a done deal are very highly likely, and I suspect Teague needs 6 or 7 wins to even have a chance!
Will our club want 6 or 7 wins?
What's that saying about winners, losers, fathers and orphans?
Why would Judd throw a rock at previously appointing a rookie coach, when he was one of the officials doing the appointing?
Anyway, that feels like his Buckley moment of the week, or perhaps it's just some journalistic mischief!
It's also a confession!
Where does that leave Teague, Voss, Ratten, Caracella or Camporeale?
Teague has the inside running being the incumbent. I'm guessing any assistant will want to be very experienced.
Ratten isn't on training wheels after 5 years here, and Campo had a terrific 11 games coaching at Adelaide under rotten circumstances.
Who was better today, SPS or Fisher?
A lot on here wanted Teague over a decade ago, and then again when MM got the job some wanted Worsfold and Teague or Worsfold or Teague!
But it's way too early to call, Cripps honored BB after the win, you can't write that off no matter who you favour!
I think the rumors of a done deal are very highly likely, and I suspect Teague needs 6 or 7 wins to even have a chance!
Will our club want 6 or 7 wins?
My oath they will. No point trying to win less given we've swapped draft picks. I'm all for winning the last 10 and playing finals...hahaha!
My oath they will. No point trying to win less given we've swapped draft picks. I'm all for winning the last 10 and playing finals...hahaha!
The pick is irrelevant, Stocker is a player in hand not speculative media beat up! Next years No.1 could be the next Jack Watts or Paddy McCartin!
We picked up Cripps at 13!
Well done blues, an extraordinary game from Cripps and well played by weitering, Walsh, end curniw . casboult and March bank did nicely down back.
17th here we come
Those Fitzroy throwback jumpers are the epitome of retro chic. Those collars are fab.
Normally i'm not big on the tapout count as people know but Kreuzer was outstanding there during the 3rd qtr. Just got everything out of the centre.
You can take Fitzroy out of Melbourne but you can't take the Fitzroy out of Brisbane.
Be interesting if Teague wins enough games to put him in the frame for the job but MLG and friends have done a deal
with another bigger name coach as of now....
you reckon a deal's done then?
You can take Fitzroy out of Melbourne but you can't take the Fitzroy out of Brisbane.
ROFL.
Be interesting if Teague wins enough games to put him in the frame for the job but MLG and friends have done a deal
with another bigger name coach as of now....
The Sydney Dilemma: Wallace and Roos revisited!!
Ha, well whaddya’ know.
Teague! Walsh! Cripps!
No time for point scoring? But that’s the sweetest plum! So i’d like to send a cheerio to G. Whateley who was scornful at the decision to change coaches and muttered at quarter time that the plain truth is Carlton are awful.
Did Gerald really say that? Sometimes he says stuff that makes me want plant one on that crooked beak of his....the scorn he has for the Blues is palpable >:(
Pretty obvious a few posters have cracked a can or two given the win. I know I have.
Almost forgotten what a refreshing change it is to listen to a winning coach attend a press conference.
If the guys don't take some heart out of that, they never will.
DT is most definitely in the picture for senior coach if he keeps that up.
Cripps? Far and away the best player in the comp. We should throw everything at him to retain him on the list. Not only a great player but a leader with no compare in today's game
Nothing like a bit of tagging to take the No 1 opposition player out of the game.....and play to your own players strengths.
Yep, finally played him as a tagger on the oppositions best play maker....so f.....g obvious...but Bolts wouldn't do it this year for some reason ::)
If Plowman was on Cameron, then soecisl
Mention to him. CC has been dangerous recently.
The tagging question is a contentious one. Listen to Fagan's post match presser. He said that once we got ahead, they sent a tagger to Cripps, but as he said "it's not helping us, we better just hunt ourselves." Coaches are certainly reluctant to do it, some more than others.
There is a definite advantage in winning the toss on a sunny day at Marvel. Kick to the ‘left of screen’ first up (as we did) and you only look into the sun for one quarter....the second. It has completely moved on by the time the last quarter. It is a pain in the ar$e looking into it for 2 quarters.
There is a definite advantage in winning the toss on a sunny day at Marvel. Kick to the ‘left of screen’ first up (as we did) and you only look into the sun for one quarter....the second. It has completely moved on by the time the last quarter. It is a pain in the ar$e looking into it for 2 quarters.
Bartel is scathing about the orientation of Marvel.
The tagging question is a contentious one. Listen to Fagan's post match presser. He said that once we got ahead, they sent a tagger to Cripps, but as he said "it's not helping us, we better just hunt ourselves." Coaches are certainly reluctant to do it, some more than others.
Yep, that is the reality of tagging, it's not a one way solution, one size doesn't fit all.
If coaches do it by default without careful management they shoot themselves in the foot 50% of the time! Doing it all the time is just as bad as not doing it ever!
Cripps 194 supercoach
Did Gerald really say that? Sometimes he says stuff that makes me want plant one on that crooked beak of his....the scorn he has for the Blues is palpable >:(
They were all saying that up until 1/2-time.
You really want to worry about the commentators who changed tune only 10mins into the 3rd, because their two-faced position is exposed! At least Whateley always hates us!
On Fox we were described as playing our worst ugliest game of the year just moments prior to 1/2-time, and then at the 15min mark of the 3rd-Qtr the very same commentator shouted out that we are playing our best game for the year as the new entertainers of the AFL!
Cripps 194 supercoach
He needs to learn to kick a torp so he could've got it to 200...lol.
Finally ………….
What a relief.
What a great win, dumbfounding Teaugy has help return passion, enjoyment in playing footy. Cripps smile just infectious, the youngsters were playing out of their skins Sam Wash amazing haven’t seen so much joy and embracing this year.
Let’s see if they can follow up.
What a relief.
Cripps willed us over the line but his performance overshadowed some very good ones by other players, even though his was a standout game it was a great team effort overall.
It looks like we made the right call on Bolton, the way we were playing we wouldn't have come from so far back if he was still pulling the reins.
O'Brien might not be a draft bust after all, and given a bit of freedom by Teague Gibbons looked at home at AFL level and could become a long term player.
There's still a long way to go but it's a good start by the new coach.
The Presser.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-06-08/r12-teague-postmatch?fbclid=IwAR06oe5HzP89vW2aJuRbdZd5gwoiKb6jyG4p-yJjgGndR51tQuRg-VuERwM
The tagging question is a contentious one. Listen to Fagan's post match presser. He said that once we got ahead, they sent a tagger to Cripps, but as he said "it's not helping us, we better just hunt ourselves." Coaches are certainly reluctant to do it, some more than others.
Fagan is completely full of s#it.... in the extreme.
Cripps had the hardest of hard tags for the whole match. Mostly by Berry but they mixed it up. Especially at centre bounces he was being tackled while the rucks were contesting the hitout. He was just determination personified and wouldn't let the tag stop him. 10 blokes tagging him at once wouldn't have stopped him today.
That was one of the best individual matches in the history of football.
There is a definite advantage in winning the toss on a sunny day at Marvel. Kick to the ‘left of screen’ first up (as we did) and you only look into the sun for one quarter....the second. It has completely moved on by the time the last quarter. It is a pain in the ar$e looking into it for 2 quarters.
Sitting @ home trying to watch the 1st Q on my iPad was my worst ever football experience, truly horrible as the ball moved from full shade to full sun, bordering unwatchable.
I was lucky enough to be in a corporate box today. The sun was causing weird reflections off the glass making a whole side of the ground difficult to see. I was in the box directly next to Eddie and johnno brown.
We all commented about the sun making things difficult to see.
Broadcasters had some stuff taped to the glass.
Fagan is completely full of s#it.... in the extreme.
Cripps had the hardest of hard tags for the whole match. Mostly by Berry but they mixed it up. Especially at centre bounces he was being tackled while the rucks were contesting the hitout. He was just determination personified and wouldn't let the tag stop him. 10 blokes tagging him at once wouldn't have stopped him today.
That was one of the best individual matches in the history of football.
I doubt Fagan would have any motivation to lie, in the context of that particular presser.
Fagan's quote was : "Structurally we tried different things to get back into the game - we were sitting on Cripps until we realised it's not helping us - we better just hunt ourselves."
A fantastic win.
Q1. was disappointing although kick straight and we're there abouts :-[
Once Neale was kept in check by Ed, our midfield got their mojo. Just shows, tag a highly influential player, play blokes in their best position and anything is possible. Ed and Gibbons were ample support for Cripps and the young mids.
Charlie given a bit more room allowed him to show his wares. Something that's been missing a bit of late.
Weiters and Casboult, the whole backline actually were solid. One of Weiters best games. He's so composed and coming of age - as we all hoped would happen.
Amazing isn't it. A win and we no longer look like a basket case.
Go Blues
I doubt Fagan would have any motivation to lie, in the context of that particular presser.
I have no idea about motivation but I was at the game and there is no way in hell Cripps could have been tagged any closer without breaking out handcuffs.
Remarked on it a couple of times during the game how impressive his game was given the tag.
Never thought he'd make a backman but he's handling it very well. Going to be interesting when Jones comes back. One of the 4 taller defenders will have to unfortunately go.
Not necessarily, Jones can player smaller, I'd drop one of Marchbank or Plowman, they have been horrible.
Interesting that in the basic match stats on the AFL website, we won every stat except tackles.
C R I P P S
Who was better today, SPS or Fisher?
SPS for mine, Zac didnt lay one tackle.
Without Cripps we lose that game. When is the last time we had a player win a game off his own boot and drag us over the line? Probably Fev?
What an absolutely superstar he is, best player in the comp right now by a fair way.
Without Cripps we lose that game. When is the last time we had a player win a game off his own boot and drag us over the line? Probably Fev?
What an absolutely superstar he is, best player in the comp right now by a fair way.
Yep, no Cripps, no Carlton. I think also Brisbane are still a developing team, they probably thought this was an easy 4 points, and took it a little easy. They were certainly down compared to recent weeks. Playing away from home, also probably caught unawares wrt tactics, new coach etc. In a sense a prefect storm.
Still happy for the 4 points, and happy for all concerned. Well done lads.
Interesting in game comments from Jonathan Brown. He reckons it took us 1 and a bit qtrs to sort out the correct pace to play at and hence gain the composure that is required. Initially he thought we were going at "a million miles an hour" and hence making far too many errors. Once we sorted that out our skill execution improved dramatically. Still plenty of work to do but a very heartening start.
Interesting in game comments from Jonathan Brown. He reckons it took us 1 and a bit qtrs to sort out the correct pace to play at and hence gain the composure that is required. Initially he thought we were going at "a million miles an hour" and hence making far too many errors. Once we sorted that out our skill execution improved dramatically. Still plenty of work to do but a very heartening start.
Brown isn’t a silly man when it comes to football. He doesn’t hold back and sugar coat his views on what he can see. I also gives a basic breakdown on what is going on. Simplistic and a sense of reality. I am so happy we won. I think confidence is a great start. Let’s keep this football simple and play to our strengths. It may become a start to some better development the group can build on. Maybe over time players will want to join this playing group. As you said Cookie, plenty of work to do, but maybe there is truly something to work with here.
Fagan is completely full of s#it.... in the extreme.
Cripps had the hardest of hard tags for the whole match. Mostly by Berry but they mixed it up. Especially at centre bounces he was being tackled while the rucks were contesting the hitout. He was just determination personified and wouldn't let the tag stop him. 10 blokes tagging him at once wouldn't have stopped him today.
That was one of the best individual matches in the history of football.
here, here. They were hanging off him like maggots on rotten meat!
I thought it was a novel idea to play Ed Curnow in that role.
Playing him as a defensive mid, considering his body strength and fitness could be a good move from Teague.
SPS for mine, Zac didnt lay one tackle.
Fisher has been ordinary this year.
It seems every time he gets the pill he tries to do something 'clever' with it rather than just getting it moving asap....
Need to back it up against the Doggies otherwise it's just a change of coach honeymoon game.....
The board deserves NO credit for this victory or ANY beyond until they realise their utter failures and resign.
Fisher has been ordinary this year.
It seems every time he gets the pill he tries to do something 'clever' with it rather than just getting it moving asap....
I think our mids are often looking to get the perfect disposal rather than simply handball to someone in a better position. We get caught too often looking for something that isn’t there rather than giving to the first option
Fish seems to constantly go for these rush little dribble kicks forward
Without Cripps we lose that game. When is the last time we had a player win a game off his own boot and drag us over the line? Probably Fev?
What an absolutely superstar he is, best player in the comp right now by a fair way.
Judd did a few of those across the journey.
Even so, without weitering we would have lost that game. Very underappreciated he has been this season.
To say we would have lost without Cripps, whilst probably true, is a little too pessimistic for my liking. After q time, no-one was truly horrible which is a nice change :))
I’d leave Casboult down back. For a while we’ve been saying that, as good as Weits is, he’s not equipped to handle the opposition monsters. Mind you, no-one is having much luck with Hawkins atm.
Speaking of Weits, has anyone noticed his shoulder is no longer strapped? Probably playing injury-free for the first time in 2.5 years.
Jones - IF he comes back, that is (not was - concussion diminishes a person permanently) a horrible incident and injury - i’d like to see tried across the centre as someone has already suggested. Maybe even as a chop out for Cripps? Might be a bit too left field but he does have good closing speed and is certainly not scared to put his body on the line.
i’m fearful of what might happen when Murphy comes back. I dunno, just feels like the winds of change are in the air and it feels good on my face.
Finally, to add my own touch of pessimism:
Winning rate for first game of coaches appointed mid-season = 50%
Winning rate for second game of same coaches = 19%
The board deserves NO credit for this victory or ANY beyond until they realise their utter failures and resign.
True, but they will all be basking in the glory and patting each other on the back.
It was a stirring win though, particularly after the inept first quarter, and even the board has the right to celebrate.
True, but they will all be basking in the glory and patting each other on the back.
It was a stirring win though, particularly after the inept first quarter, and even the board has the right to celebrate.
Yep the board is ultimately responsible for each outcome.
The board deserves NO credit for this victory or ANY beyond until they realise their utter failures and resign.
And who are you saying should take their place?
As one of LOB's critics like to say I was encouraged by his effort yesterday. Didn't look out of place and now some cautious optimism.
Levi looking quite at home down back! Some strong and timely grabs.
A little bit of a shot at Bolton if he did say it....as opposed to Cripps who was all class in mentioning Bolton in his post match.
I heard it mentioned elsewhere earlier today but I'd like to see a direct quote.
Quoted in one of the papers (sorry I forget which one though likely The Age) but I did hear it live on Triple M around 6:30pm Friday. When asked about the selection committee and the potential next coach Judd replied that they won't be appointing anyone needing 'training wheels'.
Judd comments. I hope this link works. A cheap shot indeed.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-football-director-chris-judd-says-club-wants-immediate-uptick-from-brendon-boltons-replacement/news-story/78c2377121516c1bf787a09c6719bd25
Try this from the Herald Sun.
Judds comments were;
“We’re not going to bring in a coach where’s there’s a feeling that they have got training wheels on, or there has got to be drop before there’s an uptick.
“We think there’s a lot of talent on our list and whoever comes in, be that a young coach or an old coach, we’re hoping an expecting an uptick on day one.”
Try this from the Herald Sun.
Judds comments were;
“We’re not going to bring in a coach where’s there’s a feeling that they have got training wheels on, or there has got to be drop before there’s an uptick.
“We think there’s a lot of talent on our list and whoever comes in, be that a young coach or an old coach, we’re hoping an expecting an uptick on day one.”
The Club that goes from black to white. They have, correctly or otherwise, convinced themselves that our list is star studded, and the new coach has no grace period of any kind. 1980's CFC. Well, at least they've made it public knowledge, so the new coach should be under no illusions.
Great interview on the Sunday Footy Show with Teague. I will post the basics of what he said.
The Club that goes from black to white. They have, correctly or otherwise, convinced themselves that our list is star studded, and the new coach has no grace period of any kind. 1980's CFC. Well, at least they've made it public knowledge, so the new coach should be under no illusions.
So should everyone else be under no illusions.
Our list is chock full of first round draft picks.
No matter what you or anyone thinks, we were underperforming.
The coach went off on his own tangent playing guys out of position.
First week of a new coach and Ed Curnow and Gibbons are back in the midfield.
All of a sudden our possession count lifts, we increase pressure and win.
To say we would have lost without Cripps, whilst probably true, is a little too pessimistic for my liking.
Richmond probably wouldn’t have won a premiership without a dominant Martín. Doesn’t hurt to have a superstar in the team.
So should everyone else be under no illusions.
Our list is chock full of first round draft picks.
No matter what you or anyone thinks, we were underperforming.
The coach went off on his own tangent playing guys out of position.
First week of a new coach and Ed Curnow and Gibbons are back in the midfield.
All of a sudden our possession count lifts, we increase pressure and win.
I have no idea whether we were under performing or not. That's for the future to decide. Lots of young 1st rounders proves very little on the football field. There's no point discussing it again.
Coaches try and change the dynamic of positions all the time. Is Casboult being played our of position ? What about Jones when he made the switch ? You can't have it both ways. It can't be a coaching masterstroke when it works and a brain fart when it doesn't. If you don't try it in match day conditions, you'll never know.
Here we go. Not word verbatim so accurate enough without exact wording.
Who has DT used as a mentor to help his coaching abilities? He has used Woosha at times and has learned more for Phil Walsh than any others to establish a coaching technique. Teague wants to be his own man and coach his way. He doesn’t want to copy another coach, but use what he has learned from others to help him coach in his own way. keeping things simple and easy to follow.
He instructed the boys before the game during the entire week to enjoy the game and play how they want to play. To play to their own individual skills. Follow the system of having a defensive game, but no so much that they struggle to be attacking and moving the ball forward. Take the game on and not be scared of consequence if they make a mistake. These things happen during a game. Move on.
The side tried to do too much and play too quick with disposal choices, so they coughed the ball up with turn overs in the first quarter. “As the coach this was ENTIRELY MY FAULT “. Settle down a little and play the game at your own pace. “Don’t let the opposition dictate the game being played on their terms”. Make them play the game on our terms. Be more composed. Look for better options and not just the first option.
Some minor changes were made in the second quarter. Ed Curnow was moved onto Lachie Neale. Due to his strength and bigger body, to negate his impact on the game. Sam Walsh was let off the leash torun free and assist Cripps. Forwards were told not to be flat footed and become stagnant in the forward 50m. Move around to keep the defenders guessing.
“Back your own abilities and things will change”. Just try to relax, be composed and back your own abilities and skills. Once the momentum swung the other way, they were encouraged to have fun and enjoy the game and experience. DT thought this was one of the more balanced performances by the entire playing group. All the players pitching in to the end result.
Wants to see more freedom for his players in games moving on. Keep enjoying the game and back your skills. As to Daisy and playing he said he wasn’t sure if there would be any criticism with him playing this game. He had to think this through in his head a few times during the week. However the players wanted him in no matter what. He spoke during the week for team selection and stated with his players during the week that alll must be given a clean slate moving forward. Hence he had to encourage that Daisy be selected for the game. Teague couldn’t be a hypocrite and not have him on the playing field. What message would that send the rest of playing group?
Here we go. Not word verbatim so accurate enough without exact wording.
Who has DT used as a mentor to help his coaching abilities? He has used Woosha at times and has learned more for Phil Walsh than any others to establish a coaching technique. Teague wants to be his own man and coach his way. He doesn’t want to copy another coach, but use what he has learned from others to help him coach in his own way. keeping things simple and easy to follow.
He instructed the boys before the game during the entire week to enjoy the game and play how they want to play. To play to their own individual skills. Follow the system of having a defensive game, but no so much that they struggle to be attacking and moving the ball forward. Take the game on and not be scared of consequence if they make a mistake. These things happen during a game. Move on.
The side tried to do too much and play too quick with disposal choices, so they coughed the ball up with turn overs in the first quarter. “As the coach this was ENTIRELY MY FAULT “. Settle down a little and play the game at your own pace. “Don’t let the opposition dictate the game being played on their terms”. Make them play the game on our terms. Be more composed. Look for better options and not just the first option.
Some minor changes were made in the second quarter. Ed Curnow was moved onto Lachie Neale. Due to his strength and bigger body, to negate his impact on the game. Sam Walsh was let off the leash torun free and assist Cripps. Forwards were told not to be flat footed and become stagnant in the forward 50m. Move around to keep the defenders guessing.
“Back your own abilities and things will change”. Just try to relax, be composed and back your own abilities and skills. Once the momentum swung the other way, they were encouraged to have fun and enjoy the game and experience. DT thought this was one of the more balanced performances by the entire playing group. All the players pitching in to the end result.
Wants to see more freedom for his players in games moving on. Keep enjoying the game and back your skills. As to Daisy and playing he said he wasn’t sure if there would be any criticism with him playing this game. He had to think this through in his head a few times during the week. However the players wanted him in no matter what. He spoke during the week for team selection and stated with his players during the week that alll must be given a clean slate moving forward. Hence he had to encourage that Daisy be selected for the game. Teague couldn’t be a hypocrite and not have him on the playing field. What message would that send the rest of playing group?
Thank you, Green Stick. Muchos appreciation.
Very similar to his after game comments and comments made during the week. Refreshing.
Impressive he took the blame for early errors. Can't ever remember BB, MM or even Pagan admitting they got something wrong. Remember Parko admitting error and likewise, Ratts (and other senior coaches from other clubs).
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hollow-win-for-curnow-without-bolton-20190609-p51vy4.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hollow-win-for-curnow-without-bolton-20190609-p51vy4.html
i note Curnow said "a bit hollow in a way".....
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/hollow-win-for-curnow-without-bolton-20190609-p51vy4.html
I think absolutely everyone would've been feeling for Bolts yesterday, no question. Seems like a great bloke and gave his all to the club.
Unfortunately it didn't work out. I don't know of anyone that was hoping he would fail, no one. But it didn't work out and we move on. It'll be a huge learning opportunity for him too and as a teacher I reckon he above all, given time, will see that too.
No point going over old ground, it's done and he's gone. And I reckon he would've been really stoked for the boys yesterday too.
I think absolutely everyone would've been feeling for Bolts yesterday, no question. Seems like a great bloke and gave his all to the club.
Unfortunately it didn't work out. I don't know of anyone that was hoping he would fail, no one. But it didn't work out and we move on. It'll be a huge learning opportunity for him too and as a teacher I reckon he above all, given time, will see that too.
No point going over old ground, it's done and he's gone. And I reckon he would've been really stoked for the boys yesterday too.
It's never over Micky. We're still discussing Pagan. >:D
i note Curnow said "a bit hollow in a way".....
Right or wrong, the players lost games resulting in a man losing his job. They would be feeling pretty s-house about that. We managed to stay with the trend and win after a coach was sacked. History says the good fortune falls away pretty quickly.
Right or wrong, the players lost games resulting in a man losing his job. They would be feeling pretty s-house about that. We managed to stay with the trend and win after a coach was sacked. History says the good fortune falls away pretty quickly.
History also says teams coming off a bye don't go so well too....
Here is an interesting story many might not know about. Merge this into another thread if it is more appropriate.
The AFL’s hard line stance over fan abuse has gone to the next level at Marvel Stadium on Saturday with a fan being ejected.
As the teams walked off the ground and into the rooms, the fan unloaded but not in the direction of a player, instead he targeted the men in yellow as he unleashed in the direction of umpire Matthew Nicholls.
Nicholls and the other umpires entered the race as a fan reportedly called him a “bald-headed flog”.
The words caused Nicholls to stop and point out the man to ground security who moved in and escorted him out of the ground.
“Nicholls stopped and pointed at the fan who said what he said,” Jacqui Reed said on 3AW.
“Fans were standing around in shock as security converged to make sure that fan exited Marvel Stadium.”
“Officials are now on high alert.”
This was a Carlton supporter who spoke on the radio about the incident.
Immediately after the game a call was made to 3AW claiming to be from the evicted fan himself.
“That was me and all I said was: ‘You can’t (handball) one-handed, you bald-headed flog’,’’ the caller said.
“He’s just pretty much stamped his hand on the side of the wall there, pointed at the security guard and sort of chucked a hissy fit.
“There were security guards standing pretty close to me and they heard everything as well and as I was being escorted to the back of the ground they said, (there) is nothing we can do, this is management policy.
“I actually chose my words and made sure I didn’t swear because there’s kids around so it’s pretty embarrassing from the AFL.
“They’ve made me wait half an hour for an AFL integrity officer to come and take a photo of myself and my membership then I got escorted from the ground by the police and security. I was pretty annoyed.”
How precious are the umpires becoming in the AFL? Surely Gillon needs a please explain for this.
Here is an interesting story many might not know about. Merge this into another thread if it is more appropriate.
The AFL’s hard line stance over fan abuse has gone to the next level at Marvel Stadium on Saturday with a fan being ejected.
As the teams walked off the ground and into the rooms, the fan unloaded but not in the direction of a player, instead he targeted the men in yellow as he unleashed in the direction of umpire Matthew Nicholls.
Nicholls and the other umpires entered the race as a fan reportedly called him a “bald-headed flog”.
The words caused Nicholls to stop and point out the man to ground security who moved in and escorted him out of the ground.
“Nicholls stopped and pointed at the fan who said what he said,” Jacqui Reed said on 3AW.
“Fans were standing around in shock as security converged to make sure that fan exited Marvel Stadium.”
“Officials are now on high alert.”
This was a Carlton supporter who spoke on the radio about the incident.
Immediately after the game a call was made to 3AW claiming to be from the evicted fan himself.
“That was me and all I said was: ‘You can’t (handball) one-handed, you bald-headed flog’,’’ the caller said.
“He’s just pretty much stamped his hand on the side of the wall there, pointed at the security guard and sort of chucked a hissy fit.
“There were security guards standing pretty close to me and they heard everything as well and as I was being escorted to the back of the ground they said, (there) is nothing we can do, this is management policy.
“I actually chose my words and made sure I didn’t swear because there’s kids around so it’s pretty embarrassing from the AFL.
“They’ve made me wait half an hour for an AFL integrity officer to come and take a photo of myself and my membership then I got escorted from the ground by the police and security. I was pretty annoyed.”
How precious are the umpires becoming in the AFL? Surely Gillon needs a please explain for this.
How about Gillon spends time making sure the goal review maggots do their jobs properly.
How about Gillon spends time making sure the goal review maggots do their jobs properly.
You can’t say “maggots “ or the AFL will escort you from this forum. How do they fail the review process when the crowd get a view of the replay at the ground? There were a few poor decisions go over the last few weeks with goals, points with the goal umpires.
You can’t say “maggots “ or the AFL will escort you from this forum. How do they fail the review process when the crowd get a view of the replay at the ground? There were a few poor decisions go over the last few weeks with goals, points with the goal umpires.
I'm in no danger of being escorted from a ground.
How about Gillon spends time making sure the goal review maggots do their jobs properly.
He doesn't have time. Too busy put Saints brand up in lights in Shanghai ????
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/pressure-eased-on-monday-but-gibbons-will-be-forever-grateful-to-bolton-20190609-p51vyr.html
Don't tell me the AFL haven't been "coaching" the umpires to call out anything they feel is abusive. I would not believe it for a second
Don't tell me the AFL haven't been "coaching" the umpires to call out anything they feel is abusive. I would not believe it for a second
The AFL are becoming a law unto themselves.
I must be mistaken thinking footy is the pride and joy of our country. Not a play maker for the priveledged few.
Stop messing with our sport ????
No supporters = No AFL. A CFL ???????? maybe but no AFL.
I'll swear less at the footy when the flogs, I mean umpires, develop some kind of consistency with the guidelines that used to be rules.
The AFL created this mess and have no idea how to sort it out. As outlined above, cure the problem and there won't be symptoms to deal with.
Was at the game and thought we were gone early in second so was so proud of the boys to dig in and turn things around against competition.
The pillars are definitely there. Still too much reliance on one player but fmd he is some sort of a player!
Weitering has to be close to AA contention. Doesn’t get enough praise imo.
Casboult has found a spot and despite playing only a handful of games there looks as comfortable and competent as plowman or Marchbank. Im rapt for him.
Walsh is better then good - is one step away only from an a-grader midfielder which is absolutely amazing. Love this kid.
Gibbons is another who makes us look a lot better, is quick and and is a decent user, adds real pressure and genuine pace to our midfield which we lacked.
Doesn’t get much of the ball but McGovern is a vital part our team imo. Has presence which while Harry and Charlie both probably have more upside, neither have that element yet.
We will make a big move upward, as soon as the likes of Cunningham, Fisher, SPS, Dow, Setterfield get their output to Walsh’s level then we won’t rely so much on Cripps and when that happens we will have arrived. We will be a lot harder to beat once we have a more balanced midfield group. I trust our backs to get the job done and we have the tall forwards to kick decent scores once they start seeing better delivery. The midfield group is still under gunned apart from 2 players. Can’t wait when the kids become regular contributors.
Much happier than this time last week.
Highlight of the week. Crippa's smile before he launched the torp before the final siren. Well done young fella. You've also launched some hope for the Blues Faithful.
Loved Simmo's shotgun gig and Daisy's measured enquiry with the green rulers.
Dow and LOB were very good, showing flashes of their potential.
Walshy ????
Weiters ????
Ed can tag (????)
Charlie picked up his game admirably.
Whoever held Cameron in the 2nd half is a genius.
Levi is a reliable defender
Newy and Gibbons ✔✔
A lot to like today.
Most importantly, we fought back from -37.
A 50+ turnaround against 5th place Lions is perserverance and belief personified ????
I believe Plowman had Cameron.
I believe Plowman had Cameron.
Agreed. Occasionally Newman but mostly Plow. Was actually one of Plowman's better games. Can't remember many horrible turnovers.
Agreed. Occasionally Newman but mostly Plow. Was actually one of Plowman's better games. Can't remember many horrible turnovers.
Take a bow Mr Plowman????
I didn't notice him so much but he was obviously getting his job done.
Our defense, despite significantly injury again this year, have been cohesive on the whole.
Gibbons is another who makes us look a lot better, is quick and and is a decent user, adds real pressure and genuine pace to our midfield which we lacked.
How good were his runs down the commentary side boundary and delivery I50 on the left peg no less?
I believe Plowman had Cameron.
Yes, but the match ups change as players switch and protect space.
One of the highlights for me was when Weitering was opposed to Cameron and managed to turn a certain goal into a rushed behind. A key defender who can defeat a much faster and more agile small forward is a rare commodity, particularly when he has held most of the key forwards this season. A very under rated player is our Jacob Weitering!
Take a bow Mr Plowman????
I didn't notice him so much but he was obviously getting his job done.
Our defense, despite significantly injury again this year, have been cohesive on the whole.
Plowman is average
Yes, but the match ups change as players switch and protect space.
One of the highlights for me was when Weitering was opposed to Cameron and managed to turn a certain goal into a rushed behind. A key defender who can defeat a much faster and more agile small forward is a rare commodity, particularly when he has held most of the key forwards this season. A very under rated player is our Jacob Weitering!
+1 game winning stuff and very team lifting.
How many matches has weitering been beaten this year? The poor bloke sees a lot of the high pressure balls playing in this team, as well as losing some key defenders , yet this kid has grow into the general of our defence.
He is more then just an incepting defender now. He can be relied upon to spoil consistently, he can chase down a forward like a small defender, is reliable by foot and has the smarts and poise in what can be a very hectic part of the ground.
Cripps is amazing we all know that but let’s not forget what sort of player young weitering has become. Will be our key defender for the next 10 years.
Very proud of this kid.
How good were his runs down the commentary side boundary and delivery I50 on the left peg no less?
Agreed - who would have thought - a mid who can kick both sides!
How many matches has weitering been beaten this year? The poor bloke sees a lot of the high pressure balls playing in this team, as well as losing some key defenders , yet this kid has grow into the general of our defence.
He is more then just an incepting defender now. He can be relied upon to spoil consistently, he can chase down a forward like a small defender, is reliable by foot and has the smarts and poise in what can be a very hectic part of the ground.
Cripps is amazing we all know that but let’s not forget what sort of player young weitering has become. Will be our key defender for the next 10 years.
Very proud of this kid.
Top 3 in the b+f for me this far.
Liam Jones not far behind too.
Top 3 in the b+f for me this far.
Liam Jones not far behind too.
Jones was actually looking at AA before his collision.
Who would've thought 4 years ago that Jones and Casboult would have been our leading defenders. Going to be a tough defence to select soon. Weitering is starring, Marchbank played a good one last week inercepting well, and Goddard is killing it in the VFL.
Jones was actually looking at AA before his collision.
Who would've thought 4 years ago that Jones and Casboult would have been our leading defenders. Going to be a tough defence to select soon. Weitering is starring, Marchbank played a good one last week inercepting well, and Goddard is killing it in the VFL.
Really?
Really?
Intercept marking was pretty good. Didn't start so well but few did. Certainly a lot better as the game went.
Marchbank and Plowman really get a bad rap on here, but both are pretty good defenders. They've been under immense pressure this year and some of their errors are as much about lack of movement from up the ground as it is anything they've done wrong.
Marchbank and Plowman really get a bad rap on here, but both are pretty good defenders. They've been under immense pressure this year and some of their errors are as much about lack of movement from up the ground as it is anything they've done wrong.
I would tend to agree. Teague gave Marchbank a big rap in his presser.
Marchbank and Plowman really get a bad rap on here, but both are pretty good defenders. They've been under immense pressure this year and some of their errors are as much about lack of movement from up the ground as it is anything they've done wrong.
They have also been on the wrong end of some appalling umpiring decisions!
I reckon our backline has been a strength all season even though we haven’t had a settled line up. All of the defenders have been guilty of telling errors - not just Marchbank and Plowman - but, as you suggest, many of those errors were the product of poor play/execution up the ground.
FWIW, our best back 6 would be something like...
Plowman Weitering Newman
Simpson Jones Marchbank
....and everyone there has missed games this year except for Weitering.
Obviously Docherty has missed the whole year as well.
So far from settled.
We've been able to field those 6 players on only 4 occassions this year, rounds 3-6. Perhaps not so coincidently, its been some of our best performances this year.
Sydney - Gold Coast - Hawthorn - Bulldogs
Just saying.
One of the coaches rated Gibbons
CARLTON v BRISBANE
10 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
6 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
6 Sam Walsh (CARL)
5 Ed Curnow (CARL)
2 Harris Andrews (BL)
1 Michael Gibbons (CARL)
One of the coaches rated Gibbons
So did I, he has been getting better each week as he picks up the pace of the AFL.
I gave Gibbons a vote, hasnt really been that bad all season and is one of the few that can hit a target with his non preferred foot...
I gave Gibbons a vote, hasnt really been that bad all season and is one of the few that can hit a target with his non preferred foot...
... But sack sos for not getting state players?
... But sack sos for not getting state players?
He got one as an after thought after other clubs showed super recruiter how its done, could have had a real good one in Tim Kelly but I guess LOB was just too good to refuse....
He got one as an after thought after other clubs showed super recruiter how its done, could have had a real good one in Tim Kelly but I guess LOB was just too good to refuse....
Maybe SOS knew Tim Kelly would go home!
Even the Handbaggers seem resigned to the fact he's going to leave, a club we are supposed to model ourselves on can't hold onto the WA kid, what chance us?
On a separate issue, this is all hindsight, should haves and could haves, draft picks are not certainties, and sometimes how they pan out depends on who they play next to!
Maybe SOS knew Tim Kelly would go home!
Even the Handbaggers seem resigned to the fact he's going to leave, a club we are supposed to model ourselves on can't hold onto the WA kid, what chance us?
On a separate issue, this is all hindsight, should haves and could haves, draft picks are not certainties, and sometimes how they pan out depends on who they play next to!
Exactly. Kelly would be a non event had he joined our club. Probably delisted and back in the WAFL.
Exactly. Kelly would be a non event had he joined our club. Probably delisted and back in the WAFL.
You reckon, if Gibbons can get a kick I cant see why Kelly wouldnt be able to get a few more given he has a lot more
talent. If you want delisted and back in the WAFL try Pickett and soon to be Garlett , and Lebois should be doing similar in the SANFL.
There is some serious talent in the State Leagues, the VFL, WAFL, SANFL etc have come a long way since the likes of Harold Martin and Phil Cleary were belting into each other
on a Sunday afternoon..
I've no doubt if you get a pick right it can work out, but up front it's all speculative no matter what is claimed in hindsight!
It's much easier for a club like the Handbaggers who have a stable and strong list, to make these picks and crow about the successes, but look at their discards? Their hit rate is no better than any other, it's just that nobody notices the failures getting the chop from the VFL, while struggling clubs end up giving their wipeouts the chop from the AFL!
You reckon, if Gibbons can get a kick I cant see why Kelly wouldnt be able to get a few more given he has a lot more
talent. If you want delisted and back in the WAFL try Pickett and soon to be Garlett , and Lebois should be doing similar in the SANFL.
There is some serious talent in the State Leagues, the VFL, WAFL, SANFL etc have come a long way since the likes of Harold Martin and Phil Cleary were belting into each other
on a Sunday afternoon..
Maybe I'm exaggerating a little in terms of being delisted, but I maintain Kelly wouldn't be successful at our club.
For one thing, I think he is a lot better player due to the players around him. Even with his form, he is way down the list of players that opposition coaches would target for close attention.
Secondly, I doubt he would stick around playing for a club that cant win a game, especially when I doubt he would be a superstar in Navy. Too many things pulling him back to WA. Do you think he'd have stayed with Geelong this season if they werent winning games? I would suggest he may have gone back to WA and sat the year out.
Not going to comment on the others you have mentioned. It wasn't the intention of my post to denigrate Kelly or any of the other State League players.
Maybe I'm exaggerating a little in terms of being delisted, but I maintain Kelly wouldn't be successful at our club.
For one thing, I think he is a lot better player due to the players around him. Even with his form, he is way down the list of players that opposition coaches would target for close attention.
Secondly, I doubt he would stick around playing for a club that cant win a game, especially when I doubt he would be a superstar in Navy. Too many things pulling him back to WA. Do you think he'd have stayed with Geelong this season if they werent winning games? I would suggest he may have gone back to WA and sat the year out.
Not going to comment on the others you have mentioned. It wasn't the intention of my post to denigrate Kelly or any of the other State League players.
Amazing isn’t it. It’s a professional sport, a job. If you’re not willing to travel and commit for a number of years and bring your family along if needed, to set you up for life, then I wouldn’t want them at the club. Absolute nonsense and shows immaturity of character. NFL, Soccer, Whatever. Even a corporate job. If someone offers you 5, 10, 15 times the $$ you are on now, never mind the chance to play in the big league and at the MCG? No thanks. Lack of ambition in my books and not something fitting our fledging Culture.
Why are we wasting our breath on Kelly?
Woodstock....agree in principle but Kelly from all accounts has some extenuating circumstances. One of his kids has a disability and it's more about having the support around his partner who has apparently struggled with being away from family. I remember a recruiting official from Adelaide years ago getting a bollocking and losing his job over comments about recruiting indigenous players from interstate (all from the PC brigade at the AFL) when all he was doing was stating a fact....clubs are more mindful of it these days.
But Kelly didn't do himself any favours last year when saying the move back to WA was all about family when he came out and ruled out playing for the Dockers who were into him as well as the Eagles. If it IS all about family then it shouldn't matter where you're playing as long as you're at home if that's where you want to be.
Woodstock....agree in principle but Kelly from all accounts has some extenuating circumstances. One of his kids has a disability and it's more about having the support around his partner who has apparently struggled with being away from family. I remember a recruiting official from Adelaide years ago getting a bollocking and losing his job over comments about recruiting indigenous players from interstate (all from the PC brigade at the AFL) when all he was doing was stating a fact....clubs are more mindful of it these days.
But Kelly didn't do himself any favours last year when saying the move back to WA was all about family when he came out and ruled out playing for the Dockers who were into him as well as the Eagles. If it IS all about family then it shouldn't matter where you're playing as long as you're at home if that's where you want to be.
I stand corrected buddy. That’s what you call extenuating circumstances. Tough one. One wonders why he made the trip in first place then. $$$? The costs of living with a disability can be outrageously high.
He'd been desperate to get onto an AFL list for a few years after being overlooked in the drafts and I think he was pretty much certain the Eagles would get him with one of the round 2 draft picks they'd accumulated at the end of 2017 but Geelong swooped. They'd loaded up on second round drafts to get him and Liam Ryan who interstate clubs had also overlooked.
Only going on what I've read and heard but the push was from his partner to get back to WA so that she could be around family and friends to help with the kids. From all accounts Geelong have bent over backwards to help him and his family.
Why are we wasting our breath on Kelly?
I get really good mileage out of Tim Kelly.... ;) if he stays at Geelong he might put a few other good players out the door as Navy Maven suggested which means
we should be waiting with open arms and cheque books to embrace them.
Ditto if the WC or Dockers pick him up we should be looking at some ex Vic players to extract out the door back home.
I stand corrected buddy. That’s what you call extenuating circumstances. Tough one. One wonders why he made the trip in first place then. $$$? The costs of living with a disability can be outrageously high.
Some things just deserve a long range effort!
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Did I remember correctly?
Agree EB. Geelong will want multiple first round picks for Kelly as they did last year and it might be a bidding war between Dockers/Eagles. If our first round pick is somewhere around 13-18 (from Adelaide), would you consider using that on a good mature aged midfielder rather than another 18 year old kid?
Agree EB. Geelong will want multiple first round picks for Kelly as they did last year and it might be a bidding war between Dockers/Eagles. If our first round pick is somewhere around 13-18 (from Adelaide), would you consider using that on a good mature aged midfielder rather than another 18 year old kid?
Surfie, Think it was Raydan or Krud who suggested we get involved in the Kelly deal by offering our first rounder to help make it happen...
I think most recruiters are reluctant to give away their 1st rounder unless its a real big deal for a proven player/players....I might be wrong but we also
may not have a second round pick from memory and given we dont have much to trade I think manipulation of that 1st rounder for picks/players will be super important.
Those mature aged mids/players are the ones you like to pick up with rubbish picks or free..
Adam Tomlinson is a free agent and if I was trading my first pick for whatever reason I would like to get a player of his quality for free to compensate or hedge my investment in trading that
1st rounder.
Whatever Geelong throw at Tim Kelly to keep him, becomes the offer benchmark for all player managers! Whether those players are go home risks or just wanting to stay as good loyal servants!
So I doubt the Handbaggers will offer as much as people think, because if they go overboard they will shot themselves in the foot long term!
Yeah pretty sure I read too that we don't have a second round pick.....might've been gobbled up in the McGovern and/or Setterfield deals from last year. If someone like Fremantle needed another pick to get Kelly then someone like Tucker might be worth a punt.
I've always been a Tomlinson fan and would gladly take him as he can run through the middle and we have to start getting ready for life without Simpson and Thomas. A strong finish to the season by the club will make it more attractive to Free Agents.
Our 2nd round pick went to GWS for Setterfield.
We have Adelaides 3rd (and 5th) round pick.
and GWS 4th round pick.
Our 4th went to sydney for Newman
Our 5th was part of the gibbs trade and is also at adelaide.
Some things just deserve a long range effort!
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Did I remember correctly?
Very well played Sir. :))
Who was the old bloke sitting in the coaches behind Teague on Walls left?
Moved to Teague thread.