Gonski:
Mullet
O'Shea
Shaw
JMG
with ASOS retired
5 places down
no LeBois too?
Should this be part of the fired wired hotwired thread ?
At any rate, no one will be shocked by those announcements.
Should this be part of the fired wired hotwired thread ?
At any rate, no one will be shocked by those announcements.
Cause for celebration... :P
Good that we gave those 3 experienced blokes a go. They didnt work out so we cut our losses quickly and move on. Shame none of them worked though.
Should this be part of the fired wired hotwired thread ?
At any rate, no one will be shocked by those announcements.
I think this deserves it’s own thread but, you’re right, no-one will be shocked by those delistings. I don’t have a problem with giving those blokes a shot - and it would have been unthinkable in O’Shea’s case after his form in the NBs - but they’re not the future.
JGM will probably get picked up by another club now and will forge a career as a key forward ::)
JGM will probably get picked up by another club now and will forge a career as a key forward ::)
I wish him well but I doubt it!
I think this deserves it’s own thread but, you’re right, no-one will be shocked by those delistings. I don’t have a problem with giving those blokes a shot - and it would have been unthinkable in O’Shea’s case after his form in the NBs - but they’re not the future.
JGM will probably get picked up by another club now and will forge a career as a key forward ::)
I always like to see anyone who wears the Navy Blue make a success of it. I'm sure those blokes trained as hard as anyone, and give it their best shot. It's a pretty cruel industry I think. Best of luck to all 4.
I'm sure those blokes trained as hard as anyone, and give it their best shot. It's a pretty cruel industry I think. Best of luck to all 4.
Played more AFL games than I ever did!! If they got the best out of themselves, well done them!!
I think of that lot, only Matt Shaw was very unlucky.
I think of that lot, only Matt Shaw was very unlucky.
A very average footballer, how he played 100 games at GC has me baffled.....
No surprises so far!
Gonski:
Mullet
O'Shea
Shaw
JMG
with ASOS retired
5 places down
I'm pleasantly surprised that Oshea was included in the first round of delistings, as well as JGM for that matter.
Both have shown they are not up to it.
Both have recently been put in new positions.
Both had people suggested we keep them to see if things worked out in their new positions.
I've always been of the position that rather than turn a player into something else, just draft the something else to begin with.
Big tick for SOS.
Wonder if Mullett was stunned by the news ?
Thought I'd take my last chance while I still had it.
Ah, there's the exit.............
Puts the season in a bit of perspective injury wise when two of the first 4 delisted played at least half the year.
no LeBois too?
Probably the most surprising part of this announcement. Well done to the lad if he has done enough to keep himself on the books, he will be exciting to watch if/when he ever makes it into the seniors...
Well, that's wiping out alot of crape in one swoop. Room for McGovern and Fasolo. Hope the latter can stay on the ground as he can play.
Wonder if Mullett was stunned by the news ?
Thought I'd take my last chance while I still had it.
Ah, there's the exit.............
I was sure Matt Shaw would surely be delisted..to be Shaw.......tried to work OShea in but couldnt.... :-X
I was sure Matt Shaw would shawly be delisted..to be Shaw.......tried to work OShea in but couldnt.... :-X
No, O'Shea is tricky. Only one small change above.
No, O'Shea is tricky. Only one small change above.
I bow to your better comedic abilities ;)
All the best to Matt, Cam, Jesse, Aaron, and ASOS.
I bow to your better comedic abilities ;)
All praise is thoroughly undeserved, but gratefully accepted. :D
This is fantastic.... maybe a few of our current boys could take a leaf?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/glenn-manton-book-extract-how-a-brutal-message-on-grand-final-day-changed-his-career/news-story/f9bdbfe6ba0c2b52bb63b9a48bec099b
I always like to see anyone who wears the Navy Blue make a success of it. I'm sure those blokes trained as hard as anyone, and give it their best shot. It's a pretty cruel industry I think. Best of luck to all 4.
Well played Pauly.
This is fantastic.... maybe a few of our current boys could take a leaf?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/glenn-manton-book-extract-how-a-brutal-message-on-grand-final-day-changed-his-career/news-story/f9bdbfe6ba0c2b52bb63b9a48bec099b
I got two words for you : Collective Mind.
Nonsense story.
I got two words for you : Collective Mind.
Nonsense story.
Tell me more?
Tell me more?
Someone who knows nothing about psychology on any level, takes on a protege, who then gets physically and verbally abused for 2 years ? And this makes them a better person ?
Lord help us.
Someone who knows nothing about psychology on any level, takes on a protege who is clearly as sweet as pie, who then gets physically and verbally abused for 2 years ? And this makes them a better person ?
Lord help us.
oh, ok.
It's old school, but clearly worked for Manton....
I know a lot of psychs and they're scary f...ers, personally and professionally.
Almost en masse, so I'm dubious about your argument to be honest.
oh, ok.
It's old school, but clearly worked for Manton....
I know a lot of psychs and they're scary f...ers, personally and professionally.
Almost en masse, so I'm dubious about your argument to be honest.
Firstly, this story is not inspirational. Secondly, there's too much information and detail missing. Whilst it may have worked for Manton, placing yourself in such a position does not on the surface seem like a very smart idea. Psychologists and Psychiatrists may be scary, but they do at least have some kind of training, and are expected to uphold certain standards and a certain level of accountability to the wider community, in addition to their professional organization.
I just think we need to be extremely careful when dealing with the mind, and most especially when you put yourself in the hands of someone who has no training whatsoever. We don't have much of the story to go with. I find it hard to believe such behaviour could be sustained for 2 years.
If my son came home with a phone number of some random guy who put his hand on his shoulder and said "meet me in the park - I can make you a better person and a better player." I mean, seriously ?
And I apologise for what I said about Manton before - completely wrong, and completely out of order on my part. Heat of the moment nonsense.
It's a pretty well known story, also told by Epis. There is a greater context to it when you hear Manton's full story (he has the short, medium and long version - the long one is great) - lazy, entitled and thought he was better than he was.
For Glenn, the right person came at the right time and he was lucky enough to say yes. It is an inspirational story, because it taught him about consistent and persistent hard work and the rewards that can come with it. The sessions continued after '95. Manton tells it in a way that does make it inspirational. No, we're not all going to be superstars, but we can be better (simplistically)
Yes, he is out there, but he wants to make a difference. He has gone on to do some really good work with kids, he helped kick off White Lion, while Glenn can be about Glenn, there is little doubt that he does make a positive difference.
It's a pretty well known story, also told by Epis. There is a greater context to it when you hear Manton's full story (he has the short, medium and long version - the long one is great) - lazy, entitled and thought he was better than he was.
For Glenn, the right person came at the right time and he was lucky enough to say yes. It is an inspirational story, because it taught him about consistent and persistent hard work and the rewards that can come with it. The sessions continued after '95. Manton tells it in a way that does make it inspirational. No, we're not all going to be superstars, but we can be better (simplistically)
Yes, he is out there, but he wants to make a difference. He has gone on to do some really good work with kids, he helped kick off White Lion, while Glenn can be about Glenn, there is little doubt that he does make a positive difference.
If you're Glenn being about Glenn, but still making a (positive) difference to young people's lives, that's A ok with me...
It's a pretty well known story, also told by Epis. There is a greater context to it when you hear Manton's full story (he has the short, medium and long version - the long one is great) - lazy, entitled and thought he was better than he was.
For Glenn, the right person came at the right time and he was lucky enough to say yes. It is an inspirational story, because it taught him about consistent and persistent hard work and the rewards that can come with it. The sessions continued after '95. Manton tells it in a way that does make it inspirational. No, we're not all going to be superstars, but we can be better (simplistically)
Yes, he is out there, but he wants to make a difference. He has gone on to do some really good work with kids, he helped kick off White Lion, while Glenn can be about Glenn, there is little doubt that he does make a positive difference.
Thanks for that dodge. IMO, the short version should be removed from Manton's repertoire altogether. I find it misleading, omitting key critical information. and can lead certain simpletons among us :-[ to misconstrue his message and say things we may later regret.
The other thing that's worth considering is : who is this story for ? Is it for boozy sports nights, trivia nights etc., or is it really meant as a blueprint / legitimate method to get someone to perform at their best ? In mental health circles, abusing someone (Manton doesn't clarify exactly what this is in the article) would be an absolute no no.
I think it's an outlier, one of those 1 in a million stories, that won't work all that often.
I think it's an outlier, one of those 1 in a million stories, that won't work all that often.
Agreed, it's a great story of what you can achieve if you push yourself.
But the tactic is like whipping the slaves into gladiator shape.
Most won't come out like this!
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/gladiator.jpg?quality=95&w=650)
Some seem to have missed a vital word at the top of this Glenn Manton article........"extract".
That, in combination with the word "book" indicates it is a very small sample of a much larger piece of work, and the fact that it is published via a media organisation usually means that it is edited down to the smallest size possible. I for one, will be keen to read the entire book. I've always had time for Manton and the work he's done outside football. There's many ex-footballers who do nothing worthwhile post career whatsoever......inane biased media commentary included.
Some seem to have missed a vital word at the top of this Glenn Manton article........"extract".
Exactly.
And a very small extract at that.
I,ve read the book and found it very good.
oh, ok.
It's old school, but clearly worked for Manton....
I know a lot of psychs and they're scary f...ers, personally and professionally.
Almost en masse, so I'm dubious about your argument to be honest.
Wow, what an incredible sweeping generalisation! Suddenly you've obliterated those in the psychological caring professions. The psych professions are no different to any other... you get the spectrum of folks, though continued better training is weeding out the 'scary' ones as you put it. But the one thing that does unite most in the psych professions is a sincere and unrelenting desire to help others, often at their own expense... and rarely for monetary gain.
Wow, what an incredible sweeping generalisation! Suddenly you've obliterated those in the psychological caring professions. The psych professions are no different to any other... you get the spectrum of folks, though continued better training is weeding out the 'scary' ones as you put it. But the one thing that does unite most in the psych professions is a sincere and unrelenting desire to help others, often at their own expense... and rarely for monetary gain.
Yes, I know a couple of psychologists and you’d struggle to find more caring, helpful folk.
Gonski:
Mullet
O'Shea
Shaw
JMG
with ASOS retired
5 places down
So far.
There may not be a rookie list for much longer, but I'm not sure if it is 2019 or 2020 when it disappears. Also I wasn't sure about how the 'rookie draft' will work, so I kept a format I used last year:
Update #1 30/08/2018
Senior List:
We are not expected to make as many changes this year as we have in recent years, but I would be surprised if we didn’t make a few surprises in our list management. The first delistings occurred today, and I thank ‘Townsendcalling’ for bringing them to our attention:
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed after one season.
[2] Cam O’Shea – disappointing to delist him after one season, but he struggled in the seniors this year. He may be asked back to the Northern Blues, depending on what he decides he wants to do.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet. But as the season hasn’t even finished yet, there is plenty of time for SOS and company to weave their magic. We are trying to recruit some players with experience between 22 and 27, preferably for the midfield, as we need to help Cripps.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – I wouldn’t want to lose this guy, but whether he plays on or not is going to depend on how his heart responds. A potential retirement.
[2] Sam Kerridge – I expect Kerridge to remain, but others don’t feel the way I do. How the club feels about his ordinary disposal will determine his future. A potential trade or delisting, but not a high probability of either.
[3] Sam Rowe – I expect Rowe to go on, but he had a poor finish to the year and his body is not getting any younger. A potential retirement, but not a high probability.
[4] Jarrod Garlett – I expect that Garlett has a 2 year contract, but recent rumours about being disciplined and his incredible downturn in form leave him open. I hope he gets another go and can rediscover the form from early in the season, but the club knows more about his headspace than I do.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – even with some decent games to finish the season, Lobbe really displayed his limitations as a modern ruckman. I can’t see him getting any better. If Kreuzer were 100%, I’d say he was in a lot of trouble, but we may keep him on. A potential retirement or delisting.
[6] Nick Graham – I would be very surprised if Puss were still with us in 2019. He may be so good in the VFL, but he hasn’t been able to do it in the seniors. A potential trade or delisting.
[7] Andrew Phillips – Phillips showed some pretty good signs at times this year, but he remains very fragile and can’t get any continuity into his football. The club needs the next great ruckman, not a patient in rehab. A potential delisting, although not a high probability.
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi had a shocking year with injury and form and has been passed by Harry McKay, who looks to be getting better with each game. We may keep him for depth, especially as a back-up ruckman, but he will be trade bait. And other clubs could well be interested. A potential trade.
This could get us 10 changes in the senior list, although I doubt that will happen. Another 3 changes, on the other hand, would not be unexpected or reckless.
I did not include Thomas, Simpson or Wright either.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – doesn’t look like a superstar at this point, but he was good enough to get into the Vic Metro line-up. He has more height and natural athleticism than Jack has. He is a very high probability to be our last active pick as a F/S.
Nobody else is certain at this point, but we are very likely to be an active trader.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, but I am not yet certain when the rookie list will be absorbed into the main list. So:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – one not very impressive season lead to no further contract.
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – too little too late, but he may be invited to play in the VFL if the club thinks he can make it as a forward. We’ve definitely given up on him as a future key defender.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired after his body betrayed him once too often. He may be around the club in an off-field capacity or with the VFL, as he was highly regarded for what he could do off the field with our youngsters.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – he has talent, but he is just so fragile. He has started to look better on the field, but is always injured and not producing enough. Possible delisting.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
But we can recruit more Cat B rookies, just not from Ireland.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – very high probability that we will recruit this lad as his form at junior levels in WA has been outstanding. Not that prolific for WA at the Carnival, but I think he will be a certainty for a rookie spot. And his brother may well be included as well.
There are other rumours going around, but as delistings have just started, there is plenty to come in this area. Of those rumours, Ethan Penrith and Sam Fisher would have the highest probability of being selected by us for 2019. Both started slowly but really picked up as the season went on.
Conclusion:
I expect 5 changes in the senior list at the moment, although that is very early expectations. I expect Ben Silvagni to be drafted as a F/S. That leaves 4 other spots for draftees or trades. That is not a lot, so I do expect to see more action take place in the near future.
As for the rookie list, there appears to be 4 departures, but maybe 3 inclusions. That also doesn’t leave a lot of room to play. But with a senior list of 40 in 2018 we were at our maximum size under those set of rules.
Rules for rookies have changed, but the rookie list as such remains for 2019.
Update #2 13/09/2018
Senior List:
We are involved with so many trade talks at the moment that it is hard to keep abreast of them all. Some of them, I like. Others, I am less comfortable with. Not all of the trades will come to fruition: we simply do not appear to have the space on our list. It will be some time yet before these come to a head.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet. But the jungle drums are beating hard and Carlton appears to be in the race for pretty much everybody who appears to be available. Even with this there are no firm moves yet, although the most probable is a Free Agent selection for Fasolo of Collingwood. Not my favourite deal, but ... The next most likely is Mitch McGovern from Adelaide, who has stated that he no longer wants to be at the Crows.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – No word about how he is going. We may not find out about Kreuzer until training begins. A potential retirement.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Kerridge has not been offered a contract at this time. It has been suggested that the club may rookie him, depending on how the trades go.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – Less likely to be moved on with such a large cloud over Kreuzer, but I can’t see him with us in 2020. A potential retirement or delisting.
[6] Nick Graham – Puss has not been offered a contract for 2019 yet, and has been told his fate depends on the trade period. To be honest, I think Puss has the highest probability of being elsewhere in 2019 of all of the potential list changes.
[7] Andrew Phillips – No word about Phillips has come out at all. A potential delisting, although not a high probability.
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has been conspicuous by its absence in trade talks. No idea how this one is going to go. A potential trade, but not a high probability.
[9] Matthew Wright – like Kerridge and Graham, his contract talks have been suspended until after the trades. He may be demoted to the rookie list.
[10] Jed Lamb – I thought he would be unlikely to be under pressure with the way he finished the season, but his contract talks have also been put off until after the trades. He could be a rookie yet.
This could get us 12 changes in the senior list, although I doubt that will happen. Simpson, Wright and Rowe have a new contract for 2019.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – doesn’t look like a superstar at this point, but he was good enough to get into the Vic Metro line-up. He has more height and natural athleticism than Jack has. He is a very high probability to be our last active pick as a F/S.
Other names on the trade list include Shiel (GWS), Dunstan (St.K), Dahlhaus (WB), McGovern (Ad), Setterfield (GWS) and more! Fasolo is looking likely to be a Free Agent selection.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, but I am not yet certain when the rookie list will be absorbed into the main list. So:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract and looking less likely to be offered a rookie spot with 4 senior potentially becoming rookies.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Wright, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
But we can recruit more Cat B rookies, just not from Ireland.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking less likely, but stilla long way from not being on our horizon.
[2] Ethan Penrith – looking less likely now with the senior players in the picture.
[3] Sam Fisher – no word about Fisher as yet, but he has done everything he could do.
[4] Jesse Palmer – looking less likely now.
Conclusion:
I expect changes. We cannot trade everybody in without some players going out. We will have pick #1, unless we trade it and pick #11 (Priority Pick). We then have 2 second rounders, then a 4th rounder. With the top echelon of this draft cohort looking very good, I simply cannot see us trading our way out of it. There is too much talent on offer. But the number of changes appear to be more significant than was expected not that long ago.
Crash, why is Jesse Palmer looking less likely now?
Crash, why is Jesse Palmer looking less likely now?
He did really well the other day at the VFL Awards. I would have thought that would do him some good. But then there was the message put out by Carlton suggested that some of our senior players may be put on the rookie list. If that happens, and it is looking likely, then we won't get a lot of picks in the draft without trading out some players or delisting guys I don't think we really want to flick. That makes it harder for both Fisher and Palmer.
The other thing is our interest in guys like Fasolo and McGovern. Fasolo and McGovern fill the role that Palmer would fill, and probably better. With out other forward options I cannot see us recruiting lots of guys for that role, especially with Matthew Wright to compete against.
I reckon that has put a lot of pressure on Garlett, Pickett and leBois as well. if we trade for a small forward, not likely, but not impossible, one of those three will go. Probably LeBois. (I really don't know what is going on with Garlett, even with him having an operation. He couldn't have too bad or we would have scheduled his surgery earlier.)
If the trades fall through, then Palmer really comes into the picture. But Fasolo and McGovern are looking like some of our more likely successes.
LeBois should go imo.
Clearly extremely injury prone even before hitting the big bodies of senior AFL footy.
Sorry, but next!
LeBois should go imo.
Clearly extremely injury prone even before hitting the big bodies of senior AFL footy.
Sorry, but next!
I like how SOS operates, Mullet and Oshea showed little and he flicked them after 12 mths. If LeBois is shown the door Ill understand. If he is given another year, it means SOS thinks given a go fair go with injury, he has the tools to play AFL (and Ill understand that also).
I like how SOS operates, Mullet and Oshea showed little and he flicked them after 12 mths. If LeBois is shown the door Ill understand. If he is given another year, it means SOS thinks given a go fair go with injury, he has the tools to play AFL (and Ill understand that also).
Gowers is a good example of why not to judge a book too early or think. Lebois hasn’t shown nearly enough compared with what gowers did, but then again SOS didn’t recruit Gowers.
He did really well the other day at the VFL Awards. I would have thought that would do him some good. But then there was the message put out by Carlton suggested that some of our senior players may be put on the rookie list. If that happens, and it is looking likely, then we won't get a lot of picks in the draft without trading out some players or delisting guys I don't think we really want to flick. That makes it harder for both Fisher and Palmer.
The other thing is our interest in guys like Fasolo and McGovern. Fasolo and McGovern fill the role that Palmer would fill, and probably better. With out other forward options I cannot see us recruiting lots of guys for that role, especially with Matthew Wright to compete against.
I reckon that has put a lot of pressure on Garlett, Pickett and leBois as well. if we trade for a small forward, not likely, but not impossible, one of those three will go. Probably LeBois. (I really don't know what is going on with Garlett, even with him having an operation. He couldn't have too bad or we would have scheduled his surgery earlier.)
If the trades fall through, then Palmer really comes into the picture. But Fasolo and McGovern are looking like some of our more likely successes.
Thanks crash.
I have liked both of Fisher and Palmer and am hoping Fisher gets onto our rookie list even if Palmer doesn't.
Both of them are better than Lebois.
Thanks crash.
I have liked both of Fisher and Palmer and am hoping Fisher gets onto our rookie list even if Palmer doesn't.
Both of them are better than Lebois.
I agree. LeBois MIGHT be good, but he is incredibly fragile. He is also not as fast as he thinks he is. He gets caught often.
Gowers is a good example of why not to judge a book too early or think. Lebois hasn’t shown nearly enough compared with what gowers did, but then again SOS didn’t recruit Gowers.
For every Gowers, there is about 3 Watsons, Hartletts or Edwards....
For every Gowers, there is about 3 Watsons, Hartletts or Edwards....
That's a very conservative estimate Kruddler ;)
I thought Gowers had a bit going for him but wasn't surprised when he was cut. It would have been poor list management to keep him for another year in the hope that he would pull his finger out. Getting the ask seems to have given him the drive that wasn't there before but I suspect that he may not be a long term prospect.
That's a very conservative estimate Kruddler ;)
I thought Gowers had a bit going for him but wasn't surprised when he was cut. It would have been poor list management to keep him for another year in the hope that he would pull his finger out. Getting the ask seems to have given him the drive that wasn't there before but I suspect that he may not be a long term prospect.
You don't waste your time thinking too hard about rookies.
You give them a couple of years and if they haven't cracked a game, move on.
That's a very conservative estimate Kruddler ;)
I thought Gowers had a bit going for him but wasn't surprised when he was cut. It would have been poor list management to keep him for another year in the hope that he would pull his finger out. Getting the ask seems to have given him the drive that wasn't there before but I suspect that he may not be a long term prospect.
Credit to the Bulldogs for playing him forward and finding his niche, he also looks a lot bigger and stronger and thats probably natural development.....I'd agree though when he was cut he didnt show much and it would be hard to argue keeping him..
Of course then you have JesseGMac who showed nothing but was retained....probably because he was Key Position or maybe interstate rookies have to get 2 years minimum, correct me if I am wrong.
Lebois is another who should be cut if you are applying the same logic that was applied to Gowers...
The GF is coming up. but the noise over possible trades has dropped off. Not a lot to report, but.... :)
Update #3 24/09/2018
Senior List:
Still in the 'Phony War' Period. Next week is the Draft Combine. More action soon, but not much expected until after the GF.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet. Lots of noise and lots of names, but nothing concrete.
The most likely, at this point is Alex Fasolo from Collingwood. Not really what I want, but that deal appears done. He will be a Free Agent, so at least he won't cost us anything. Mitch McGovern is looking more likely than not, although the probability of getting a decent deal with ADELAIDE looks remote. I expect us to pay overs, if it works out. Setterfield is still in Limbo. Shiel is looking less likely to leave, for all the baying of the dogs. Menzel was brought up: he is looking extremely improbable (and I am not disappointed). Brodie: that one has gone very quiet. Not sure what is going to happen there.
I am sure I have missed some: everybody seems to be linked to us at the moment, whether we really need them or not.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – No word about how he is going. A potential retirement.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Kerridge has not been offered a contract at this time. It has been suggested that the club may rookie him, depending on how the trades go.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here. I think he has a contract, but paying it out is not impossible if he isn't headed in our direction.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – Likely to remain with the cloud over Kreuzer, but he really isn't a long term option unless out midfield mutates into something unbeatable.
[6] Nick Graham – Puss has not been offered a contract for 2019 yet, and has been told his fate depends on the trade period. To be honest, I think Puss has the highest probability of being elsewhere in 2019 of all of the potential list changes.
[7] Andrew Phillips – Looks unlikely at the moment, but is not impossible.
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has been conspicuous by its absence in trade talks. I think he will stay, but he could be a very interesting trade option.
[9] Matthew Wright – like Kerridge and Graham, his contract talks have been suspended until after the trades. He may be demoted to the rookie list.
[10] Jed Lamb – I thought he would be unlikely to be under pressure with the way he finished the season, but his contract talks have also been put off until after the trades. He could be a rookie yet.
This could get us 12 changes in the senior list, although I doubt that will happen. Simpson, Thomas and Rowe have a new contract for 2019.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – looking more likely as a rookie pick at this point. We have problems: we cannot bring in more guys than go out. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but ...
Other names on the trade list include Shiel (GWS), Dunstan (St.K), Dahlhaus (WB), McGovern (Ad), Setterfield (GWS) and more!
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract and looking less likely to be offered a rookie spot with 4 senior potentially becoming rookies.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Wright, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
But we can recruit more Cat B rookies, just not from Ireland.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival.
[3] Ethan Penrith – looking less likely now with the senior players in the picture. If he could kick, he would be a certain inclusion.
[4] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight.
[5] Jesse Palmer – looking less likely now, with McGovern and Fasolo to compete with.
Conclusion:
I expect changes. We cannot trade everybody in without some players going out. We will have pick #1, unless we trade it and pick #11 (Priority Pick). We then have 2 second rounders, then a 4th rounder. With the top echelon of this draft cohort looking very good, I simply cannot see us trading our way out of it. There is too much talent on offer. But the number of changes appear to be more significant than was expected not that long ago.
Matthew Wright has retired. He has been good value for us, even though he struggled this year. One more spot now open on the list.
This seems odd.. . Returning to SA to pursue coaching?
we've pushed him out?
Matthew Wright has retired. He has been good value for us, even though he struggled this year. One more spot now open on the list.
Really sad about this one. Have loved was he's brought to the Blues, was hoping he still had another season or two in him.
Really sad about this one. Have loved was he's bought to the Blues, was hoping he still had another season or two in him.
Agree 100%.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-25/carlton-veteran-calls-time-on-career
Really sad about this one. Have loved was he's brought to the Blues, was hoping he still had another season or two in him.
Maybe he's part of the McGovern deal....? ::) ::)
Agree 100%.
Most of us will like Matty Wright and are sad to see him go, but the writing was on the wall this season, things on our list are speeding up and he's not getting across the turf any faster than he has in the past!
His call makes sense, at his career stage he should take the opportunities as they come!
With Wright's departure it's time to get SoJ, Jones and Kerridge spending more time creating chaos inside F50 at the feet of McKay and Kerr.
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With Wright's departure it's time to get SoJ, Jones and Kerridge spending more time creating chaos inside F50 at the feet of McKay and Kerr.
I'm not sure I like that forward line. Kerridge and SoJ are slow, average footballers. And Jones is a menace who will concuss the other forwards before the 1/4 time siren. Keep him on the wing.
We need speed and defensive pressure from our small forwards IMO.
Kerridge is more likely to be creating chaos for our defence - same for Jones to a degree! :D
I'm not sure I like that forward line. Kerridge and SoJ are slow, average footballers. And Jones is a menace who will concuss the other forwards before the 1/4 time siren. Keep him on the wing.
We need speed and defensive pressure from our small forwards IMO.
They'd be replacing Wright in a similar role, physically and athletically they'd be upgrades on Wright and they are not slower in fact they are probably a bit faster.
Whether they can kick straight or not is another issue, but I suspect over the last couple of years the only thing keeping Wright in that role was experience and work ethic, the kids are gathering experience quickly. Kerridge is now a wiser head and has always had the work ethic.
Do not be too quick to write them off as replacements in a Wright type role, especially young SoJ!
They'd be replacing Wright in a similar role, physically and athletically they'd be upgrades on Wright and they are not slower in fact they are probably a bit faster.
Whether they can kick straight or not is another issue, but I suspect over the last couple of years the only thing keeping Wright in that role was experience and work ethic, the kids are gathering experience quickly. Kerridge is now a wiser head and has always had the work ethic.
Do not be too quick to write them off as replacements in a Wright type role, especially young SoJ!
I was an unabashed fan of Wright, but if we're going to improve, we need to go one better than him - i.e Matty Wright with fuel injection, turbo chargers and after burners. At least that should be the aim. I have no faith that Kerridge or SoJ will be better than Wright. The fact that they may be a tad faster than him, or younger, is not the issue.
I was an unabashed fan of Wright, but if we're going to improve, we need to go one better than him - i.e Matty Wright with fuel injection, turbo chargers and after burners. At least that should be the aim. I have no faith that Kerridge or SoJ will be better than Wright. The fact that they may be a tad faster than him, or younger, is not the issue.
Upgrading all on field stations is the issue, it's no good denying an opportunity to a player if they offer a potential upgrade path. I suspect SoJ could be as effective as Wright at ground level, possibly faster across the ground, is a somewhat natural forward and is already far better overhead. Kicking and decision making need work, but they do for any kid, that comes with experience.
I'd much rather that option than our club trying desperately to rush SoJ into the midfield where I suspect he is doomed to fail!
Get Dan Menzel?
You'll get a break even in the goal sneak sense at least.
Upgrading all on field stations is the issue, it's no good denying an opportunity to a player if they offer a potential upgrade path. I suspect SoJ could be as effective as Wright at ground level, possibly faster across the ground, is a somewhat natural forward and is already far better overhead. Kicking and decision making need work, but they do for any kid, that comes with experience.
I'd much rather that option than our club trying desperately to rush SoJ into the midfield where I suspect he is doomed to fail!
I hope you're right, but what I've seen of both SoJ and Kerridge doesn't inspire me. Both average triers at best.
Get Dan Menzel?
You'll get a break even in the goal sneak sense at least.
A very good field kick (actually, elite IMO) and knows where the goals are, but very little defensive side to his game, and of course, there's the knees.........
Having said that, I do like him. Just be aware of his deficiencies and don't expect him to be something he's not.
Get Dan Menzel?
You'll get a break even in the goal sneak sense at least.
Been offered a one year deal at Geelong.....yep one to think about given he is a good converter, main problem is thats all he does and can we get the ball forward enough.
Doesnt really provide any forward pressure...and very injury prone.....if I got McGovern and maybe Corbett I wouldnt bother...
I would not be interested in Menzel. Not a solid enough type to be a mentor for us. Too early in our development for his ilk IMO.
Rumour only ....Ciaran Byrne returned to Ireland and wont be returning/doesnt want to return......due to personal reasons.
Crap.
Crap.
Opinion or exclamation?
Crap.
Well could be Prof..heard it from a workmate who says its around on social media but I cant find it ...
Sorry EB, the profanity filter cut in. It was an exclamation of angst, not a judgement of your rumour.
Sorry EB, the profanity filter cut in. It was an exclamation of angst, not a judgement of your rumour.
Not a problem Prof probably is Crape...who knows he probably went home to Ireland for a holiday and someone has
joined some dots that he aint coming back....unless some family problem has just arisen. Just have to wait and see if anything pops up on a credible source.
He might have been told his spot on the list depends on who we get in the trade period.
He might have said, i'll make the decision for you.
Personally, i don't think its as big as a loss as some may feel.
I could never really see why he was so highly regarded. Sure he showed some good signs occasionally, but occasionally.......very occasionally.
The GF is today. Either the Weagles or the Meat Pies will be Premiers ( :( ). Lots of noise but remarkably little action. Again, not surprising. But trade week is coming soon!
Update #4 29/09/2018
Senior List:
Looking forward for the Draft Camp. Lots of useful information on the way.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet.
Alex Fasolo from Collingwood appear to be certainty. Not really what I want, but that deal appears done. He will be a Free Agent, so at least he won't cost us anything.
Mitch McGovern is looking more likely than not, although the probability of getting a decent deal with ADELAIDE looks remote. Setterfield is still in Limbo.
Shiel is a low probability event, but other clubs think they have a chance. I'm not sure he will even leave. But he has looked over things at Carlton. Some in the media wish to upgrade their own interest (eg, Tim Watson and the Drug Cheats), but Shiel is keeping his cards close to his chest,
Menzel was brought up: but he is not a part of our plans. (Thank God!)
Brodie: that one has gone very quiet. Not sure what is going to happen there.
I am sure I have missed some: everybody seems to be linked to us at the moment, whether we really need them or not.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – No word about how he is going. A potential retirement.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Kerridge has not been offered a contract at this time. It has been suggested that the club may rookie him, depending on how the trades go.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here. I think he has a contract, but paying it out is not impossible if he isn't headed in our direction.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – Likely to remain with the cloud over Kreuzer, but he really isn't a long term option unless out midfield mutates into something unbeatable.
[6] Nick Graham – Puss has not been offered a contract for 2019 yet, and has been told his fate depends on the trade period. To be honest, I think Puss has the highest probability of being elsewhere in 2019 of all of the potential list changes.
[7] Andrew Phillips – Looks unlikely at the moment, but is not impossible.
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has been conspicuous by its absence in trade talks. I think he will stay, but he could be a very interesting trade option.
[9] Jed Lamb – I thought he would be unlikely to be under pressure with the way he finished the season, but his contract talks have also been put off until after the trades. He could be a rookie yet.
At this point we have 6 spots available on both lists.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – looking more likely as a rookie pick at this point. We have problems: we cannot bring in more guys than go out. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but ...
Other names on the trade list include Shiel (GWS), Dunstan (St.K), Dahlhaus (WB), McGovern (Ad), Setterfield (GWS), Lone (St.K) and more!
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract and looking less likely to be offered a rookie spot with 4 senior potentially becoming rookies.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
But we can recruit more Cat B rookies, just not from Ireland.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival.
[3] Ethan Penrith –signed with the Northern Blues for 2019, assuming he is not promoted.
[4] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight.
[5] Jesse Palmer – looking unlikely now, with McGovern and Fasolo to compete with.
Conclusion:
I expect changes. We cannot trade everybody in without some players going out. We will have pick #1, unless we trade it (not likely). We then have 2 second rounders, then a 4th rounder. With the top echelon of this draft cohort looking very good, I simply cannot see us trading our way out of it. There is too much talent on offer. But the number of changes appear to be more significant than was expected not that long ago.
The Weagles are Premiers for 2018 and things are not looking good for us. :( Lots of rumours and very few of them any good.
Update #5 01/10/2018
Senior List:
Looking forward for the Draft Camp. Lots of useful information on the way.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody yet.
Alex Fasolo from Collingwood appear to be certainty. Not really what I want, but that deal appears done. He will be a Free Agent, so at least he won't cost us anything.
Mitch McGovern is looking more likely than not, although the probability of getting a decent deal with ADELAIDE looks remote.
Setterfield is still in Limbo, but looking a lot worse. The latest is that Essendon have offered him a deal which is supposedly better than our's. Apparently he agreed to us, but is now backing away from that in favour of his childhood drug cheats. If so, I will be very unimpressed. There is a reason I chose brown for the colour.
Shiel is a low probability event, but other clubs think they have a chance. I'm not sure he will even leave. But he has looked over things at Carlton. Some in the media wish to upgrade their own interest (eg, Tim Watson and the Drug Cheats), but Shiel is keeping his cards close to his chest,
Brodie: that one has gone very quiet. Not sure what is going to happen there.
I am sure I have missed some: everybody seems to be linked to us at the moment, whether we really need them or not.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – No word about how he is going. Apparently Geelong are interested in trading for Kreuzer, but what they have to realistically offer is another question entirely.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Kerridge has not been offered a contract at this time. It has been suggested that the club may rookie him, depending on how the trades go.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here. I think he has a contract, but paying it out is not impossible if he isn't headed in our direction.
[5] Matthew Lobbe – Looking more likely to remain, with the interest in Kreuzer. I find that amazing, but that is another matter.
[6] Nick Graham – Puss has not been offered a contract for 2019 yet, and has been told his fate depends on the trade period. To be honest, I think Puss has the highest probability of being elsewhere in 2019 of all of the potential list changes.
[7] Andrew Phillips – Looking more likely to remain and may end up being our #1 ruckman!
[8] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has been conspicuous by its absence in trade talks. I think he will stay, but he could be a very interesting trade option.
[9] Jed Lamb – I thought he would be unlikely to be under pressure with the way he finished the season, but his contract talks have also been put off until after the trades. He could be a rookie yet.
[10] Ciaran Byrne: We knew he had gone back to Ireland, but the latest rumours have him not coming back. He wants to play with his brother, apparently, as he did just recently. I am unimpressed, but the probability of overseas players returning home is always high.
[11] Tom Williamson This one is news to me, but apparently Williamson’s injury issues are more serious that expected. I don’t know what to believe, but I don’t like it at all.
At this point we have 6 spots available on both lists, 3 certainties on the main list and 3 rookie picks. There have been talks of putting up to 3 players back to the rookie list. But with Byrne and Williamson now looking feim, there may well be 2 more senior spot available soon. :( :'( :'( :'(
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – Missed Premiership glory with a broken hand and has dropped much lower in calculations. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but that is much less likely now.
Other names on the trade list include Shiel (GWS), Dunstan (St.K),McGovern (Ad), Setterfield (GWS), Lonie (St.K) and more!
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract and looking less likely to be offered a rookie spot with 4 senior potentially becoming rookies.
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
At this point he is looking likely to be our only Irishman in 2019, which is hugely disappointing. We have had a very poor run with our 'Irish experiments': the only durable one of the lot is Tuohy and he is now at Geelong. :(
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival.
[3] Ethan Penrith –signed with the Northern Blues for 2019, assuming he is not promoted. I expect him to remain with the NB's at this point.
[4] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight. How we go at getting trades will determine Fisher's fate.
[5] Jesse Palmer – looking unlikely now, with McGovern and Fasolo to compete with.
Conclusion:
The potential of losing Byrne looms huge to me. He is a top liner if he can stay on the field. He also creates a hole in defence for a guy with real pace and athleticism. Similarly with Williamson: if he cannot come up, then our defence looses the pace and athleticism that made it look so flexible.
The more I am hearing about Setterfield, the less I am liking it, or him. I hate the idea of having Essendon grab him, but if he is not the answer we want ... :(
I would really like some good news for a change.
Trade week (or 10 days) is off and running and the surprises continue.
Update #6 09/10/2018
Senior List:
SOS and his minions are having a busy time, so much that the Draft Camp stuff was largely overtaken by speculation as to who would go where. Well, some of the speculation has proven to be very much off the mark, while others have proven to accurate for my liking.
And we are a LONG WAY from finished yet.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
Confirmed Additions:
It sounds as if 2 deals have already been more or less finalized. However, they won't be confirmed until tomorrow. However, the biggest fish appears to have escaped us. :'(
[1] Alex Fasolo: Fasolo completed a final medical check yesterday at the club and the I’s were dotted and the t’s crossed apparently this evening. Pity. He was not the sort of guy I was looking for, but that is now irrelevant. Know that he is headed our way, I hope he can make a big difference. But I’m not expecting it.
The one I would have liked was McAdam from Sturt. However, he has been confirmed as part of the deal to get Mitch McGovern to the club.
[2] Mitch McGovern: A deal for McGovern is apparently pretty much done, although the details are still speculation. Definitely part of the deal was access to McAdam, who is now going to be an Adelaide small forward. Like Fasolo, McGovern was not at the top of my wish list, but he adds maturity and an excellent pair of hands to an inexperienced forward line.
[3] Will Setterfield: Setterfield’s deal is probably a few days off yet, but it does become almost a certainty. His team mate, Shiel, has chosen the Drug Cheats, to the shock of many (myself included). Setterfield is a guy SOS wanted a couple of years back: he bid on him but was matched by GWS. He is tall and has excellent disposal. He has also been hurt by injuries so far. The addition of Andrew Russell, from Hawthorn, hopefully will help us in that area, as he has masterminded the bodies of 6 premiership teams so far.
With Shiel out of the equation, other deals may well be struck, as SOS is very good at that.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – Apparently we have not shown much interest in Geelong's chase for Kreuzer. I haven't heard anything of his health either, but he looks unlikely to leave at this point.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Looking to be on the rookie list as soon as this week.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett in dispatches since he went on for surgery. Not sure what is going to happen here. I think he has a contract, but paying it out is not impossible if he isn't headed in our direction.
[4] Nick Graham – Midfielders are going here, mids are going there, but nobody appears very interested in Nick Graham. The most likely to be flicked at this point.
[5] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has now come up in trade talks, and we have been shopping him around. There has been some interest from GWS and a couple of others, but a trade is not looking that likely.
[9] Jed Lamb – Looks to be headed to the rookie list.
[10] Ciaran Byrne: No knew news, but Byrne is still in Ireland and playing Gaelic Football. I'm not expecting him back at this point.
[11] Tom Williamson This one came out of nowhere last week. How reliable it is that his injuries are still problematical, I don't know.
At this point we have 6 spots available on both lists, 3 certainties on the main list and 3 rookie picks. With 3 recruits coming in and 3 senior list layers gone, there are no spots available at this time on the main list. This suggests that Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are bound for the rookie list. That would provide us with 3 draft selections. It is one of the reasons why I expect more changes to our list to come.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – Missed Premiership glory with a broken hand and has dropped much lower in calculations. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but that is much less likely now.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now in the picture.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
At this point he is looking likely to be our only Irishman in 2019, which is hugely disappointing. We have had a very poor run with our 'Irish experiments': the only durable one of the lot is Tuohy and he is now at Geelong. :(
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival.
[4] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight. How we go at getting trades will determine Fisher's fate.
Conclusion:
Three guys coming in and none of them is Shiel. Quite possibly, none of them are champions. But we hope and we plan and we try again.
Three guys out, plus Kreuger and McAdam out of the question for deals so far completed. I would have liked McAdam. Nichevo.
Byrne looking unlikely, so another spot may open. Lots more news to come.
Thanks for your comprehensive update Crash.
Re: Williamson and Kruez
Bolts mentioned both returning from injury to bolster the side during JNM speech.
Thanks for your comprehensive update Crash.
Re: Williamson and Kruez
Bolts mentioned both returning from injury to bolster the side during JNM speech.
So I pray!
Trade week has been very hectic so far and SOS has been busy. He has managed 3 'ins', guys he wanted. Now he can relax a bit and wait for teams to try to get pick #1. Apparently there have been offers that are close to being acceptable. The SA clubs are more desperate than a junkie after a fix.
Update # 12/10/2018
Senior List:
SOS and his minions are having a busy time, so much that the Draft Camp stuff was largely overtaken by speculation as to who would go where. Well, some of the speculation has proven to be very much off the mark, while others have proven to accurate for my liking.
And we are a LONG WAY from finished yet.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
Confirmed Additions:
3 deals finalized, not a lot of picks left, but SOS is still wheeling and dealing.
[1] Alex Fasolo: Confirmed FA
[2] Mitch McGovern: Confirmed trade
[3] Will Setterfield: Trade confirmed late today.
With Shiel out of the equation, other deals may well be struck, as SOS is very good at that.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – Apparently we have not shown much interest in Geelong's chase for Kreuzer. I can't see him leaving at the moment.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Looking to be on the rookie list as soon as this week.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett. Nada.
[4] Nick Graham – Midfielders are going here, mids are going there, but nobody appears very interested in Nick Graham. The most likely to be flicked at this point.
[5] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has now come up in trade talks, and we have been shopping him around. There has been some interest from GWS and a couple of others, but a trade is not looking that likely.
[9] Jed Lamb – Looks to be headed to the rookie list.
[10] Ciaran Byrne: I'm not expecting him back at this point.
[11] Tom Williamson Looking like he is OK after all. I can hope
At this point we have 6 spots available on both lists, 3 certainties on the main list and 3 rookie picks. With 3 recruits coming in and 3 senior list layers gone, there are no spots available at this time on the main list. This suggests that Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are bound for the rookie list. That would provide us with 3 draft selections. It is one of the reasons why I expect more changes to our list to come.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – Missed Premiership glory with a broken hand and has dropped much lower in calculations. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but that is much less likely now.
Apparently we have been having discussions with Michael Barlow and Hugh Goddard. Also Findlayson of GWS is in discussions with us. If we are to have ANY picks in the ND, then there will be guys leaving or being placed on the rookie list.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now almost certainties, unless traded out.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Definitely remaining for 2019.
At this point he is looking likely to be our only Irishman in 2019, which is hugely disappointing. We have had a very poor run with our 'Irish experiments': the only durable one of the lot is Tuohy and he is now at Geelong. :(
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival.
[4] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight. How we go at getting trades will determine Fisher's fate.
Nothing mentioned in dispatches about any of these guys. I wonder of any of them will even get a chance?
Conclusion:
Three guys coming in and three guys out. We are talking to more guys and have drafted anyone yet. There will be more action or we won't be making any draft picks.
HS reporting we signed that basketballer Matt Owies as int rookie.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-sign-former-australian-junior-basketballer-matt-owies-as-category-b-rookie/news-story/9157ca0bbd7e3a66857757018c366032
CARLTON has signed a former Australian junior basketballer as an international rookie B selection.
Matt Owies, 21, was a standout junior footballer with St Kevin’s until deciding to pursue a basketball career that took him to the US.
He was also a competition best and fairest winner in the Yarra Junior Football League at under-14 level.
HS reporting we signed that basketballer Matt Owies as int rookie.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-sign-former-australian-junior-basketballer-matt-owies-as-category-b-rookie/news-story/9157ca0bbd7e3a66857757018c366032
CARLTON has signed a former Australian junior basketballer as an international rookie B selection.
Matt Owies, 21, was a standout junior footballer with St Kevin’s until deciding to pursue a basketball career that took him to the US.
He was also a competition best and fairest winner in the Yarra Junior Football League at under-14 level.
Low risk, high reward scenario. Let's hope he regains his junior footy prowess.
Re father / sons.
Are the Hickmott boys on the radar??
All seems quiet on the western front.
Re father / sons.
Are the Hickmott boys on the radar??
All seems quiet on the western front.
Getting down to free spots isnt it?......Graham, Kerridge, Lamb and Rowe dont have contracts and have Byrne looking less likely than likely...
We need to take three in the ND and have to choose what we do with Ben Silvagni and the Hickmott boys.
I think Rowe will survive, 50/50 on Lamb and the other two are cactus IMO.....
Then we have pick 1 and late rubbish picks...reckon one for Ben S and one for a Hickmott with the other Hickmott boy rookied....
Getting down to free spots isnt it?......Graham, Kerridge, Lamb and Rowe dont have contracts and have Byrne looking less likely than likely...
We need to take three in the ND and have to choose what we do with Ben Silvagni and the Hickmott boys.
I think Rowe will survive, 50/50 on Lamb and the other two are cactus IMO.....
Then we have pick 1 and late rubbish picks...reckon one for Ben S and one for a Hickmott with the other Hickmott boy rookied....
Rowe and Lamb may well be rookied too.
Le Bois will likely be cut so there may be 4 rookie spots
Getting down to free spots isnt it?......Graham, Kerridge, Lamb and Rowe dont have contracts and have Byrne looking less likely than likely...
We need to take three in the ND and have to choose what we do with Ben Silvagni and the Hickmott boys.
I think Rowe will survive, 50/50 on Lamb and the other two are cactus IMO.....
Then we have pick 1 and late rubbish picks...reckon one for Ben S and one for a Hickmott with the other Hickmott boy rookied....
We NEED to have spots available for the father/sons. If nobody bids, sweet, rookie spot it is. But if we don't have spots on our list, and people bid....they're gone.
I reckon we might delist a few 'extras' like Lamb, and pick them back up as a rookie if nobody bites. I don't think Pickett is contracted beyond this year either.
Otherwise we need to start trading away some players who are contracted. Ideally, piss off Casboult to anyone who will take him. Otherwise, we've probably got a ruckman for sale. Kreuzer, Phillips or Lobbe to the highest bidder. We'd then need to rookie one to make up the shortfall in rucks.
Of course, we are going to have the same exact problem next year. At least we might get some retirements to 'help' in that regard....Simpson, Daisy, Rowe....Murphy, Kreuzer?
We NEED to have spots available for the father/sons. If nobody bids, sweet, rookie spot it is. But if we don't have spots on our list, and people bid....they're gone.
I reckon we might delist a few 'extras' like Lamb, and pick them back up as a rookie if nobody bites. I don't think Pickett is contracted beyond this year either.
Otherwise we need to start trading away some players who are contracted. Ideally, piss off Casboult to anyone who will take him. Otherwise, we've probably got a ruckman for sale. Kreuzer, Phillips or Lobbe to the highest bidder. We'd then need to rookie one to make up the shortfall in rucks.
Of course, we are going to have the same exact problem next year. At least we might get some retirements to 'help' in that regard....Simpson, Daisy, Rowe....Murphy, Kreuzer?
Which brings me back to the question I asked before.
Are we interested in the Hickmott boys.??
There has been stuff-all publicity about them.
Getting down to free spots isnt it?......Graham, Kerridge, Lamb and Rowe dont have contracts and have Byrne looking less likely than likely...
We need to take three in the ND and have to choose what we do with Ben Silvagni and the Hickmott boys.
I think Rowe will survive, 50/50 on Lamb and the other two are cactus IMO.....
Then we have pick 1 and late rubbish picks...reckon one for Ben S and one for a Hickmott with the other Hickmott boy rookied....
We are getting closer to clearing out the clutter.
Which brings me back to the question I asked before.
Are we interested in the Hickmott boys.??
There has been stuff-all publicity about them.
We'll find out on draft day.
Nothing needs to be done before about it before then.
The quieter things are in that regard the better. No publicity = slipping under the radar.
HS reporting we signed that basketballer Matt Owies as int rookie.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/carlton/carlton-sign-former-australian-junior-basketballer-matt-owies-as-category-b-rookie/news-story/9157ca0bbd7e3a66857757018c366032
CARLTON has signed a former Australian junior basketballer as an international rookie B selection.
Matt Owies, 21, was a standout junior footballer with St Kevin’s until deciding to pursue a basketball career that took him to the US.
He was also a competition best and fairest winner in the Yarra Junior Football League at under-14 level.
To be honest, I wasn't expecting another Cat B Rookie. However, I see this for what it is: a low risk/high reward strategy that gets us athletic talent onto the list without having to dump someone in the process.
Good luck to the lad. He will need it. We have a very poor record with our Cat B rookies. Our Irishmen seem to be always injured and none of the others has got close to senior selection.
It has only been three days and already to need to do another update. And not for what I wanted either.
Update #8 15/10/2018
Senior List:
Plenty of trade rumours and some big deals still hanging in the breeze. SOS is probably happy he did so much last week.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
[4] Ciaran Byrne – if homesickness wasn’t enough, he went and broke a leg playing Gaelic Footy. He retired. What a disaster.
Confirmed Additions:
3 deals finalized, not a lot of picks left, but SOS is still wheeling and dealing.
[1] Alex Fasolo: Confirmed FA
[2] Mitch McGovern: Confirmed trade
[3] Will Setterfield: Trade confirmed late today.
With Shiel out of the equation, other deals may well be struck, as SOS is very good at that. Apparently we have been having talks with a number of guys: Finlayson, Barlow, Newman (Syd) to mention just a few. Whatever else SOS is up to, it is not clear to me.
Potential Delistings, Retirements or Out-trades:
[1] Matthew Kreuzer – Can't see it happen at the moment. Geelong don't have anything we want.
[2] Sam Kerridge – Looking to be on the rookie list as soon as this week.
[3] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett. Nada.
[4] Nick Graham – The most likely to be flicked at this point.
[5] Levi Casboult – Levi’s name has now come up in trade talks, and we have been shopping him around. There has been some interest from GWS, Hawthorn and a couple of others, but a trade is not looking that likely.
[9] Jed Lamb – Looks to be headed to the rookie list.
[10] Tom Williamson - Looking like he is OK after all. I can hope
At this point we have 7 spots available on both lists, 4 certainties on the main list and 3 rookie picks. With 3 recruits coming in and 4 senior list layers gone, there are 1 spot available at this time without dropping anyone back to the rookie list. This suggests that Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are bound for the rookie list, if not off completely. That would provide us with 4 draft selections. It is one of the reasons why I expect more changes to our list to come. What I didn't expect is the Irish lads not coming back at all.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – Missed Premiership glory with a broken hand and has dropped much lower in calculations. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but that is much less likely now.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival. He did testing in WA and absolutely blew it away.
I am still wondering what SOS has in mind, but there are 2 days of action remaining. If we are to have ANY picks in the ND, then there will be guys leaving or being placed on the rookie list.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now almost certainties, unless traded out.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking more probable as the trades go on. Possible delisting. To be honest, I am amazed he has survived this far.
Cat B Rookies:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Cillian McDaid
Retired and will not be returning from Ireland.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Matthew Owies – 21 year old former basketballer with excellent pace.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight. How we go at getting trades will determine Fisher's fate.
Nothing mentioned in dispatches about any of these guys. I wonder of any of them will even get a chance?
Conclusions:
[1] Our Irish Experiment has been a failure to date. I had great hopes for it, but we’ve had a terrible run. Other teams seem to be able to retain at least one of their Irishmen. Not us. The only one whose body stood up to the rigours of the game was Tuohy and we traded him to Geelong. Sheehan and Byrne looked good, but were far too fragile. Shields and McDaid gave it a year and got homesick. The O’hAilpins? I’m not going there. I had so much hope with those guys.
[2] Our American Experiment has been a failure at the moment, with no more Americans on the horizon.
I was a fan of both of these ideas and was pleased with each one we tried. They all had something, but could not or would not make the final step. I guess we keep trying: we don’t have a lot of choice when others have succeeded. But things are looking grim.
We now have a 2nd Australian Cat B rookie, Matt Owies. My expectations are low. I’ve been bitten too often to be otherwise. The poor lad is trying to break a shocking run.
There have been rumours about Eddie Betts heading back to us. I would love to have him back, but I just can’t see it.
Well, there are 2 days left for some magic to occur. My God I hope to see some.
I'd lightly pencil in Nic Newman for the Nov 1 fee agency period start date..
I wouldn't discount Shiel entirely, just yet...
I wouldn't discount Shiel entirely, just yet...
F*** him.
X 10000
Sleep with dogs you catch fleas.
I wouldn't discount Shiel entirely, just yet...
Essendon will pony up the picks....its just standard Dodo 101 trade policy to try and wait it out and get the other party to roll over...
All the clubs know how he works.....be pick 8 plus a future second rounder IMO...
Scratch that, if he wants to come to us, now, we'll discount his salary by 300k/year for the privilege. >:D
Scratch that, if he wants to come to us, now, we'll discount his salary by 300k/year for the privilege. >:D
That's a better outcome for all! :-[
I wouldn't discount Shiel entirely, just yet...
Snowballs chance in hell IMO but never say never ay? Personally I'm with Krud in the F- - - him corner.
Snowballs chance in hell IMO but never say never ay? Personally I'm with Krud in the F- - - him corner.
Snowballs chance indeed GIC, but until the f.. lady sings....
Snowballs chance indeed GIC, but until the f.. lady sings....
Agree, but as Ol' Rexy used to say back in th day, "She's beginning to mount the rostrum". ;)
Yep agreed.
I'd only take him heavily discounted now.
This year's trading has been run and won. The fallout could be interesting in the years to come. A lot of deal were done late, but we failed to get Shiel. Not sure how I feel about that yet.
Update #9 18/10/2018
Senior List:
SOS did demonstrate just how much better he is than those he replaced. He picked up a number of trades that should, in theory, provide 4 players in our best on-field line-up. Nice theory: we will see how it comes out.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired during the week and is heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
[4] Ciaran Byrne – our biggest loss, in my humble opinion. Nichevo. :-[ :-[
Confirmed Additions:
4 deals finalized, in one of the busiest trade periods ever.
[1] Alex Fasolo: Confirmed FA
[2] Mitch McGovern: Confirmed trade with Adelaide
[3] Will Setterfield: Confirmed trade with GWS.
[4] Nic Newman: Trade confirmed just yesterday, near 2000 hours.
Finlayson is staying a Giant. Shiel made a serious mistake. Barlow: good question. I am not sure where we stand with Barlow, although we have had talks.
Potential Delistings or Retirements:
[1] Sam Kerridge – Looking to be on the rookie list as soon as this week.
[2] Jarrod Garlett – No mention of Garlett. Nada.
[3] Nick Graham – The most likely to be flicked at this point.
[4] Levi Casboult – looks like remaining a Blue.
[5] Jed Lamb – Looks to be headed to the rookie list.
With the Trade Period in recess until Draft Day, the future of these players is still unclear. We WILL be making changes, and most will probably be put on the rookie list.
At this point we have 7 spots available on both lists. We have traded 4 players in, with only 4 spots available at this time. We have pick 1 in the ND and pick 1 in subsequent drafts. Therefore there will be further changes and probably fairly soon.
If we are to have ANY selections in the Draft, at least 1 player will be placed on the rookie list. We have 3 spaces on that list at the moment, although we can recruit more Cat B rookies if we want to.
Potential Additions:
[1] Ben Silvagni – Missed Premiership glory with a broken hand and has dropped much lower in calculations. I think Ben will be our last live pick, but that is much less likely now.
[2] Will Hickmott - I am expected Will to be picked up, even with his less than stellar Carnival. He did testing in WA and absolutely blew it away.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
Nobody at this point. But Lamb, Kerridge and Graham are now almost certainties, unless delisted.
Possible further Departures:
[1] Kym LeBois – Looking almost certain to go. We need places on the list and he is a significant underachiever at this point.
Cat B Rookies:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Cillian McDaid Retired and will not be returning from Ireland.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Matthew Owies – 21 year old former basketballer with excellent pace.
Potential Additions:
[1] Liam Hickmott – looking a bit more likely as he won the B&F for Colts in WA.
[2] Sam Fisher – I'd like to see Fisher get a go, but for a team on the bottom, we have remarkably few list changes in sight. How we go at getting trades will determine Fisher's fate.
Collingwood this week signed 2 Cat B rookies, both from Ireland. I didn't think this was allowed. As such I don't like it at all. We can sign more players as Cat B rookies, especially as we have no Irishman at the moment in that spot.
I do know that we were looking at some of the Irish guys, but I have no idea how we went. I am assuming no more Cat B rookies unless some good news appears soon.
Conclusions:
We have pick 1 in the ND and no spots on our list. SOS wants to have a few picks, so we WILL be making more list changes.
Adelaide has offered us all sorts of things for pick 1, but SOS has not been tempted enough yet. Port Adelaide has tried as well. If SOS can do a deal that allows us to retain Sam Walsh as our selection, he may do it. Otherwise the SA teams will miss out.
Great work Crash, kudos!!!
Great work Crash, kudos!!!
No worries, mate. Keeping track of the going -ons hasn't been easy this year.
Surely Graham is now goneski.
Heck Mitch Grigg would offer a lot, lot more?
Surely Graham is now goneski.
Heck Mitch Grigg would offer a lot, lot more?
Very likely. We have 3 rookie spots; assuming we drop 3 guys down to the rookie list then we will have 3 picks. And no delisted guys. At this point Graham and LeBois would be the overwhelming favourites to be delisted.
Rowe, Graham, Lamb, Kerridge all delisted.
Rowe, Graham, Lamb, Kerridge all delisted.
Bit surprised with Rowe but the others pretty much as expected. I thought Sam R may have got another year.
Very likely. We have 3 rookie spots; assuming we drop 3 guys down to the rookie list then we will have 3 picks. And no delisted guys. At this point Graham and LeBois would be the overwhelming favourites to be delisted.
So we could put Rowe, Kerridge and Lamb on the rookie list, delist LeBois and Graham and have 5 spots - 3 F/S, Grigg and Barlow. Noting presently only 4 picks in the ND?
Would that work?
Guess you can ignore that. Is Townsend stating that as a fact or as a want?
Bit surprised with Rowe but the others pretty much as expected. I thought Sam R may have got another year.
Agree. Feel sorry for him more than the others for some reason.
Agree. Feel sorry for him more than the others for some reason.
Thought he did a solid job considering the back line was under siege all year. Guess we have a lot of youth though that won't get better if they don't play.
So we could put Rowe, Kerridge and Lamb on the rookie list, delist LeBois and Graham and have 5 spots - 3 F/S, Grigg and Barlow. Noting presently only 4 picks in the ND?
Would that work?
Only Lamb may survive as he's been invited to train. LeBois gets another year.
Guess you can ignore that. Is Townsend stating that as a fact or as a want?
That's fact - they've been delisted.
Thought he did a solid job considering the back line was under siege all year. Guess we have a lot of youth though that won't get better if they don't play.
Gee, we need to find a backup KPP defender pretty quick smart?
Or BSOS? ;)
Gee, we need to find a backup KPP defender pretty quick smart?
Or BSOS? ;)
Maybe that's where they plan on McGovern playing.
I believe his brother is a reasonable defender
Guess you can ignore that. Is Townsend stating that as a fact or as a want?
The CFC website fiesnt doesn’t lie.
Graham and Kerridge no surprise, Rowe is a bit of a surprise.
Lamb here nor there, he's a foot soldier and we have too many already.
But the retention of Le Bois as a rookie is downright perplexing!
Thought he did a solid job considering the back line was under siege all year. Guess we have a lot of youth though that won't get better if they don't play.
Yes, I agree. Maybe he could have played mostly in the 2's ?
Graham and Kerridge no surprise, Rowe is a bit of a surprise.
Lamb here nor there, he's a foot soldier and we have too many already.
But the retention of Le Bois as a rookie is downright perplexing!
IIRC, LeBois and Pickett were superfit aftert the preseason and were impressing the MC. They then got injured and derailed their years. I can only summise they think LeBois has something to offer but its his last opportunity.
Only Lamb may survive as he's been invited to train. LeBois gets another year.
Shame we didn't get Findlayson to replace Rowe. All on Weitering, Marchbank, Jones and Macreadie now.
Id rather have kept Rowe and moved Jones on. Some of these blokes good chance to be rookied as insurance.
Id rather have kept Rowe and moved Jones on. Some of these blokes good chance to be rookied as insurance.
I suspect the changes in the ruck rule is the reason behind some of this, I'm sure tactically it must change the emphasis for talls right across the field. Good rucks who can get control of the football and get a hand pass away will mean far less congestion and a lot more clean snaps(In the words of Gawn!) That will mean you need quick talls who can get structured up in time to mee the fall of the ball. It's probably worked against Rowe and favoured Jones.
I'm presuming in all this that the club has determined that it will back in Weitering as the long term KPD option.
Surprised with Rowe, though he would be there still. Only really big player we have. , others, well just not there , others have passed them by.
Gee, we need to find a backup KPP defender pretty quick smart?
Or BSOS? ;)
I reckon it would be worthwhile trying Kerr in Rowe's role.
Not surprised by any of the delistings, good honest citizens and triers by not good enough for AFL.
I am surprised they are inviting Lamb to keep training with a chance to be rookied (I assume).
The delistings are another step in the right direction IMO, I think that leaves about 9 players on the list inherited by BB/SOS. Gotta keep turning it over in search of the right combination. I hope they give the number 11 to some worthy enough to make it great again.
Bit surprised with Rowe but the others pretty much as expected. I thought Sam R may have got another year.
Likewise. Thought Rowe would be kept as insurance and perhaps play most games for the NBs and help with the kids. Sorry to see him go.
Likewise. Thought Rowe would be kept as insurance and perhaps play most games for the NBs and help with the kids. Sorry to see him go.
I just thought this year he lost a yard of pace and got found out by the quicker bigger fwds. Father Time got him I reckon.
I see Weiters as a very good long term general in defence. He's just a baby still. He has the tools, just needs more strength, mongrel, and time.
Marchbank is a fantastic intercept marker, he just had a wretched year, and I firmly believe he is a better player than he showed last year.
Jones is a maniac. Dunno if i love or hate him.
If any of them don't work out, we can always trade for another one next year, or the year after.
Or maybe SOS has a pick swap with GC lined up. I read an afl article saying we might swap p1 & next years first, for p2&3 from GC this year. Pickup a small at 2 (Smith) and a tall (a King?). Personally, I'd do that deal, but take Smith & Rankine. We also need a quality small fwd, and he looks alright from what I have seen. Either we convince him to stay a blue after 2 years, or we get 2 first rounders from the Crows or Port.
Rowe is the one I would have held on to. Been a solid defender in almost every one of his 99 games, in a backline under constant pressure.
Then I started thinking, how many key defenders of his size are there left in the league? (Can anyone name a 200cm defender?)
I'm thinking the trend is for more mobility down back.
I just thought this year he lost a yard of pace and got found out by the quicker bigger fwds. Father Time got him I reckon.
Reckon you're right, and his disposal accuracy dropped a few % as well.
Okay, another 13 blokes leave the club (though Lamb might be back). How many is that over the past 4 years?
Simple reason why Rowe was cut was because...
a) He was not contracted.
b) He is 30.
Everyone who was not contracted has been cut (apart from Pickett if my list is correct).
Lamb has been invited to train with us to potentially regain a spot on our list.
The other 3, have not.
Which i don't mind, as he is young enough and offers something the others do not. Something unique as an aggressive defensive forward, or small defender. We are light on for both.
Jones and Weitering vs the big key forwards....going to be carnage....we need another tall big defender with grunt.
Dont want that banana Hugh Goddard either......
Delisting Rowe is fair enough but where is the replacement for the gorillas....
LeBois should buy a tattslotto ticket. Luckiest man in town tonight.
LeBois should buy a tattslotto ticket. Luckiest man in town tonight.
I find it unbelievable that we've flicked 4 guys. Especially Rowe. One of our leaders and 1 year back from a knee reco.
Like the comment from Nick Graham.
https://twitter.com/nickeygraham?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Like the comment from Nick Graham.
https://twitter.com/nickeygraham?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
All class Nicky G
All class Nicky G
Yep very humble, maybe he can get to the SANFL/WAFL and reinvent his career and get a second crack....
All class Nicky G
All the best to Nick and the other guys. Always part of the CFC family.
I find it unbelievable that we've flicked 4 guys. Especially Rowe. One of our leaders and 1 year back from a knee reco.
Well its simply because we couldn't trade anyone away......and we kept trading for players.
If we had've found an interested party for Casboult, we would've kept Rowe.
If Byrne hadn't 'retired' we probably would've been forced to delist Pickett!
Its a little bit poor list management wise considering we wanted to bring in mature-ish mids, and at the end of the day we had to delist 2 of them because we brought in too many other types.
Worst part about the Rowe delisting is that he is stuck on 99 games! :'(
Well its simply because we couldn't trade anyone away......and we kept trading for players.
If we had've found an interested party for Casboult, we would've kept Rowe.
If Byrne hadn't 'retired' we probably would've been forced to delist Pickett!
Its a little bit poor list management wise considering we wanted to bring in mature-ish mids, and at the end of the day we had to delist 2 of them because we brought in too many other types.
Worst part about the Rowe delisting is that he is stuck on 99 games! :'(
Worst part will be when Lynch kicks ten in the 1st round next year......and yeah thats tough on Rowe...99 games...
Worst part will be when Lynch kicks ten in the 1st round next year......and yeah thats tough on Rowe...99 games...
I will bet you whatever you like Lynch doesn't kick 10 (or a big bag) against us rnd 1. He has beat up on us (and only us) a few times, wont happen next year. Lynch (IMO) is so overrated its not funny. I hope it ends in tears for him and 9thmond.
I will bet you whatever you like Lynch doesn't kick 10 (or a big bag) against us rnd 1. He has beat up on us (and only us) a few times, wont happen next year. Lynch (IMO) is so overrated its not funny. I hope it ends in tears for him and 9thmond.
Well beat those pussies Rd 1.
That said, poor to cut Rowe on 99 games....very poor.
Well beat those pussies Rd 1.
That said, poor to cut Rowe on 99 games....very poor.
Not the first time, they did the same to Brad Fisher
Change the locker rule to 99 games then!! And make it retrospective and yes, I remember Brad Fisher - hopefully Mitch McGovern's poor cousin!
Not the first time, they did the same to Brad Fisher
Fisher could have gotten to 100 games but we were too busy trying to set standards And he only played 1 match in his final year.
Rowe's a victim of circumstance. He got stranded on 99 games mainly through injury and it coincided with our list management strategy and unluckily missed only two rounds this season after returning from his acl.
Had we traded Levi, he might have remained.
I find it unbelievable that we've flicked 4 guys. Especially Rowe. One of our leaders and 1 year back from a knee reco.
Quite stunning that LeBois kept a spot....is he dating SOS's cousin?
Lebois unless I'm mistaken has to be delisted and rookies again.
Is that correct?
He's a two year rookie. Last I checked he had to be upgraded or delisted and rookied again.
I thought that too but rookie list rules change very frequently. Max rookie contract used to be two years.
Lebois unless I'm mistaken has to be delisted and rookies again.
Is that correct?
He's a two year rookie. Last I checked he had to be upgraded or delisted and rookied again.
I’m pretty sure that rookies can get a contract extension for a third year. After that it’s sling your hook, upgrade to the primary list or de-list and re-rookie.
Like the comment from Nick Graham.
https://twitter.com/nickeygraham?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
How many pick we have on our senior team and to the rookie draft?.... I think we need a big ' gorilla'' to cover Rowe delisted .....
Lebois unless I'm mistaken has to be delisted and rookies again.
Is that correct?
He's a two year rookie. Last I checked he had to be upgraded or delisted and rookied again.
Last time i looked at this rookie rule 2 years was max for a normal, category a, rookie.
However, there was the option of signing on for a 3rd year. But in order to do so, they had to be open to being picked up in the ND by all clubs. If he was not picked up then, you could automatically sign him for that 3rd year.
The rule was in place so that you could not have a gun rookie sitting on your rookie list for an extended period of time while other clubs could not get their hands on them.
Not sure if that rule has been 'relaxed' but there was basically a handshake agreement between clubs to not poach rookies going into their 3rd year.
In any event, i don't think he's shown anything to suggest other clubs would want to chase him.
Last time i looked at this rookie rule 2 years was max for a normal, category a, rookie.
However, there was the option of signing on for a 3rd year. But in order to do so, they had to be open to being picked up in the ND by all clubs. If he was not picked up then, you could automatically sign him for that 3rd year.
The rule was in place so that you could not have a gun rookie sitting on your rookie list for an extended period of time while other clubs could not get their hands on them.
Not sure if that rule has been 'relaxed' but there was basically a handshake agreement between clubs to not poach rookies going into their 3rd year.
In any event, i don't think he's shown anything to suggest other clubs would want to chase him.
hasn't shown enough to stay on the list IMHO. I'd much rather it were Sam Fisher instead.
hasn't shown enough to stay on the list IMHO. I'd much rather it were Sam Fisher instead.
You can have both.
We have, plenty of space on our rookie list. At least 3 spots, potentially more, depending on what we do in the draft.
I find it unbelievable that we've flicked 4 guys. Especially Rowe. One of our leaders and 1 year back from a knee reco.
Yep. I expected Rowe may get another year. Shows I have no idea if nothing else ::)
If a Club B&F results reflect a player’s ability to play their role and follow the match committee’s instructions, Sam Rowe would be justified in asking ‘What more can I do’ after finished 8th in the B&F in the most pressurized back line in the league.
If a Club B&F results reflect a player’s ability to play their role and follow the match committee’s instructions, Sam Rowe would be justified in asking ‘What more can I do’ after finished 8th in the B&F in the most pressurized back line in the league.
I said earlier that Rowe was unlucky simply because he is 30 and was out of contract.
All 4 of our recent delistings were the last 4 players who did not have a contract for 2019. Everyone else was already signed on.
Had we got rid of Casboult, Rowe would still be on our list. As it turns out, Casboult was contracted, Rowe was not.
If a Club B&F results reflect a player’s ability to play their role and follow the match committee’s instructions, Sam Rowe would be justified in asking ‘What more can I do’ after finished 8th in the B&F in the most pressurized back line in the league.
Exactly. We must be really planning to bite the bullet next year and really put it on Weiters and his young mates to step up.
I said earlier that Rowe was unlucky simply because he is 30 and was out of contract.
All 4 of our recent delistings were the last 4 players who did not have a contract for 2019. Everyone else was already signed on.
Had we got rid of Casboult, Rowe would still be on our list. As it turns out, Casboult was contracted, Rowe was not.
True but couldn't we have paid out Casboult? He can't be on that much and since we didn't land Shiel we must have some spare cash?
I think we'll rookie Hugh Goddard....
True but couldn't we have paid out Casboult? He can't be on that much and since we didn't land Shiel we must have some spare cash?
Sure we could.
But that doesn't address the other point. Rowe is 30.
Sure we could.
But that doesn't address the other point. Rowe is 30.
But wouldn't he be OK for just one more year? Plenty of 30 and over players around? Or is he suffering after effects of his injury? I just find it a little surprising - Rowe imo would potentially be more useful to us next year than Casboult - or does Levi's possible use as a ruck backstop get him over the line?
But wouldn't he be OK for just one more year? Plenty of 30 and over players around? Or is he suffering after effects of his injury? I just find it a little surprising - Rowe imo would potentially be more useful to us next year than Casboult - or does Levi's possible use as a ruck backstop get him over the line?
There must be more to it than we know, because it's clear Rowe is better value than some of the players we have retained. Maybe they have removed him to force players like Jones, Marchbank, Macreadie and Weitering to step up. Sort of like Cortes burning his ships!
On SEN he said that he was told it's over, no chance of being rookied etc.
Freo could do worse....
Guys it's a two way street. These guys would have had some very mature conversations about things including where they see themselves vs where the club sees them to go with whatever goals they are setting for themselves.
I'm confident that Wright only left because of his coaching opportunity as well as the fact his wife is pregnant and he played accordingly in the second half of this season.
Sam Rowe had some similar moments IMHO.
We may still cut Levi loose too. We seem happy to have retained one, but we might cut more.
Yep. Levi must be on thin ice.
We may still cut Levi loose too. We seem happy to have retained one, but we might cut more.
I reckon we are done with delistings.
Casboult is safe for another year.
IMO if there was any chance he would be cut, he would've gone before Rowe.
Keeping him around just gives us someone to cut next year. Don't forget we need to cut at least 3 next year as well. We might get a bit of help from some of the old guard retiring, Simpson, Thomas, Kreuzer, Murphy etc.....but perhaps none of them.
True but couldn't we have paid out Casboult? He can't be on that much and since we didn't land Shiel we must have some spare cash?
I'd happily accept not much if it added up to $350K :)
We're simply not going to cut contracted players loose unless they muck up. Besides, SOS made it perfectly clear that Casboult provides a back up ruck option and our ruck stocks are far from robust.
It's bad luck that Rowe couldn't manage one more game; having his name on the locker would have been well deserved recognition of the challenges he overcame in pursuing his AFL career.
I reckon we are done with delistings.
Casboult is safe for another year.
IMO if there was any chance he would be cut, he would've gone before Rowe.
Keeping him around just gives us someone to cut next year. Don't forget we need to cut at least 3 next year as well. We might get a bit of help from some of the old guard retiring, Simpson, Docherty, Kreuzer, Murphy etc.....but perhaps none of them.
You’re a pretty astute and careful poster Kruddler.
I think you meant Thomas maybe?
I'd happily accept not much if it added up to $350K :)
We're simply not going to cut contracted players loose unless they muck up. Besides, SOS made it perfectly clear that Casboult provides a back up ruck option and our ruck stocks are far from robust.
It's bad luck that Rowe couldn't manage one more game; having his name on the locker would have been well deserved recognition of the challenges he overcame in pursuing his AFL career.
You've hit the nail on the head DJC. Levi is a back up ruck for 2019. I did mention that possibility earlier but I hadn't realised SOS had actually stated it.
I reckon we are done with delisting
Keeping him around just gives us someone to cut next year. Don't forget we need to cut at least 3 next year as well. We might get a bit of help from some of the old guard retiring, Simpson, Docherty, Kreuzer, Murphy etc.....but perhaps none of them.
if we have trouble finding 3 to cut at the end of the 2019 season, we will have the premiership cup in the cupboard. ;D
You’re a pretty astute and careful poster Kruddler.
I think you meant Thomas maybe?
lol....yes, definitely Thomas.
Don't post after you've just got home from an engagement party with free grog.
I'm surprised that was the only mistake.
Thanks.
I reckon we are done with delistings.
Casboult is safe for another year.
IMO if there was any chance he would be cut, he would've gone before Rowe.
Keeping him around just gives us someone to cut next year. Don't forget we need to cut at least 3 next year as well. We might get a bit of help from some of the old guard retiring, Simpson, Thomas, Kreuzer, Murphy etc.....but perhaps none of them.
I know what you're getting at but IMHO we have quite a few in the gun for next season but we now start looking at our "rebuild" players.
Pickett
Jack Silvagni
Darcy Lang
Jarrod garlett
David Cunningham
Andrew Phillips
Cameron polson
Matthew kreuzer
Levi casboult
Matthew lobbe
Kade Simpson
Dale thomas
Any of them could go next year dependant on form and fitness.
Levi is on this list unless he goes now, and if he goes now it will be because we have another lined up to play his role.
We might trade other players whom don't appear above. Keeping Levi just to have one to get rid of is a poor reason to keep him particularly in a team like ours.
I know what you're getting at but IMHO we have quite a few in the gun for next season but we now start looking at our "rebuild" players.
Pickett
Jack Silvagni
Darcy Lang
Jarrod garlett
David Cunningham
Andrew Phillips
Cameron polson
Matthew kreuzer
Levi casboult
Matthew lobbe
Kade Simpson
Dale thomas
Any of them could go next year dependant on form and fitness.
Levi is on this list unless he goes now, and if he goes now it will be because we have another lined up to play his role.
We might trade other players whom don't appear above. Keeping Levi just to have one to get rid of is a poor reason to keep him particularly in a team like ours.
Dont think Jack is in the gun for obvious reasons........in fact I think he is probably more safe than others and I'd expect to see him Ben and Tom in the same team one day......at worst Jack would be rookied down the track....
He bloody well should be but isn't for obvious reasons.
You've hit the nail on the head DJC. Levi is a back up ruck for 2019. I did mention that possibility earlier but I hadn't realised SOS had actually stated it.
Since Rowe is now gone, I think we will struggle having a good defensive match up for players like Lynch and Roughy.....I wonder if Levi could do a Jones, transfer from forward to back and take on the gorillas?
Since Rowe is now gone, I think we will struggle having a good defensive match up for players like Lynch and Roughy.....I wonder if Levi could do a Jones, transfer from forward to back and take on the gorillas?
Levi doesnt have the mobility, ball hits ground and Levi is baggage.......you would have thought if we were going to pension off Rowe we would have had a replacement in mind, especially after Alex Silvagni retired as well. I agree we will struggle to hold the real big units down back.....Jones has leaked goals and Weitering is still finding his feet ,doesnt enjoy the big bodies, and prefers the intercept role. Marchbank isnt big enough to play the KP spots IMO and like JW enjoys the intercept marking role better.
SOS needs to find us a KP back and quick....no use improving the forward line if we are going to be pummelled down the other end......
Since Rowe is now gone, I think we will struggle having a good defensive match up for players like Lynch and Roughy.....I wonder if Levi could do a Jones, transfer from forward to back and take on the gorillas?
I think that's right Dave, the gorilla minder role will now fall on others, e.g. Jones, Weitering, who have yet to prove they are fully up to that job. We will definitely need to tighten up our defensive efforts all over the ground next year to better control opposition's F50 entries. Bit of a punt if you ask me but we'll have to see.
Levi's weakest characteristic is his body on body competitiveness, he's far too easily disposed of in one on one contests by players significantly smaller. If you want him to stand the gorillas in a defensive role he needs to improve that part of his game dramatically.
Levi is a running jumping player, if we make him a key defender the opposition will almost certainly drag him to the goal square.
FWIW, Jones and Weitering have shown similar deficiencies, but of course Weitering is still developing so I think we should show some faith.
I agree with the suggestion some have made that Kerr might be an option, his strength is the body on body stuff, and he has an effective leap and reach.
Levi's weakest characteristic is his body on body competitiveness, he's far too easily disposed of in one on one contests by players significantly smaller. If you want him to stand the gorillas in a defensive role he needs to improve that part of his game dramatically.
Levi is a running jumping player, if we make him a key defender the opposition will almost certainly drag him to the goal square.
FWIW, Jones and Weitering have shown similar deficiencies, but of course Weitering is still developing so I think we should show some faith.
I agree with the suggestion some have made that Kerr might be an option, his strength is the body on body stuff, and he has an effective leap and reach.
Levi will not become a defender.
Kerr will be lucky to displace McKay, Curnow or McGovern in our F50 so perhaps a switch to defence is his best bet....a good size at 194cm, 95kg odd (May for example is 193cm, 101kg)..
at 20yo will only get stronger and fitter.
Weiters is 195cm, 95kg. Very similar....
Since Rowe is now gone, I think we will struggle having a good defensive match up for players like Lynch and Roughy.....I wonder if Levi could do a Jones, transfer from forward to back and take on the gorillas?
I'm struggling to think of premiership teams that have had a true gorilla minder anymore.
I'm struggling to think of premiership teams that have had a true gorilla minder anymore.
I think it varies season to season with game trends and rule changes, it looks to me like the rule changes this year are intended to restore some of the effectiveness of KPFs and Rucks so I am sure you'll see a change in the KPDs as well.
I'm struggling to think of premiership teams that have had a true gorilla minder anymore.
Collingwood could have done with one vs WC..once Kennedy and Darling exerted their influence it was game over....
Melbourne have recognized their weakness having skinny kids down back and recruited May...
Its not about winning premierships at the minute either...we need to win games, having a undersized defense wont help....
Collingwood could have done with one vs WC..once Kennedy and Darling exerted their influence it was game over....
Melbourne have recognized their weakness having skinny kids down back and recruited May...
Its not about winning premierships at the minute either...we need to win games, having a undersized defense wont help....
It is interesting when you look at it from the losers perspective, and not just GFs as you highlight Melbourne's plight.
Even Nthmond's loss to the Filth a function of the inability to match up on Mason Cox, it seems it was at least a contributing factor?
I suppose it's a horses for courses debate, if they have them and they are an influence you need to be able to deal with them in some way!
Collingwood could have done with one vs WC..once Kennedy and Darling exerted their influence it was game over....
Melbourne have recognized their weakness having skinny kids down back and recruited May...
Its not about winning premierships at the minute either...we need to win games, having a undersized defense wont help....
Agree and that's why I think one more year of Rowe may have been handy. He was obviously not a long term prospect going forward.
Agree and that's why I think one more year of Rowe may have been handy. He was obviously not a long term prospect going forward.
I fear as we struggle to retain players like Charlie and Cripps you may well see more decisions like this, the displacement of long term experienced players with kids.
It is not just our club, it could be that this is symptomatic of the growth in marquee player wages outstripping the growth in the TPP.
It is interesting when you look at it from the losers perspective, and not just GFs as you highlight Melbourne's plight.
Even Nthmond's loss to the Filth a function of the inability to match up on Mason Cox, it seems it was at least a contributing factor?
I suppose it's a horses for courses debate, if they have them and they are an influence you need to be able to deal with them in some way!
And yet the Tigers knew that 9 times out of 10, likely higher, Cx is a non event.
Tigers lost as soon as they chose to play an injured Dusty.....
It is interesting when you look at it from the losers perspective, and not just GFs as you highlight Melbourne's plight.
Even Nthmond's loss to the Filth a function of the inability to match up on Mason Cox, it seems it was at least a contributing factor?
I suppose it's a horses for courses debate, if they have them and they are an influence you need to be able to deal with them in some way!
Astbury was in hospital the night before the game and shouldn't have played.
So, there's 2 down before first bounce....perhaps Hardwick was cocky?
Losing (well, greatly reduced effectiveness) Astbury destroyed their defensive structure so prance couldn't play purely as a loose intercept tall.
Their midfield was swamped, a fit Dusty wouldn't have made any difference and Cotchin didn't pick up the slack.
Comprehensively beaten IMO.
Losing (well, greatly reduced effectiveness) Astbury destroyed their defensive structure so prance couldn't play purely as a loose intercept tall.
Their midfield was swamped, a fit Dusty wouldn't have made any difference and Cotchin didn't pick up the slack.
Comprehensively beaten IMO.
a fit Dusty wouldn't have made any difference ......
The bloke could hardly run and barely kick..... you have got to be kidding! ::) ::)
Collingwood could have done with one vs WC..once Kennedy and Darling exerted their influence it was game over....
Melbourne have recognized their weakness having skinny kids down back and recruited May...
Its not about winning premierships at the minute either...we need to win games, having a undersized defense wont help....
Yet, I don't think that's what cost them.
Their mids stopped getting first use, and once Grundy was negated, they were out of the game.
Yet, I don't think that's what cost them.
Their mids stopped getting first use, and once Grundy was negated, they were out of the game.
That is the key to Collingwood: negating Grundy.
So where does that leave the one ruckmen strategy?
So where does that leave the one ruckmen strategy?
Apparently it's been abandoned LP :)
The Drafts have been run and won. Our list is more or less fixed until this time next year. So, how did we go?
Update #10 24/11/2018 Last Update for 2018
Senior List:
SOS continues to demonstrate just how much better he is at this caper than our previous List Managers/ Recruiters. His bold machinations earned up an extra pick in the strongest draft for years.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired and is now heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
[4] Ciaran Byrne – our biggest loss, in my humble opinion. Nichevo. :-[ :-[
[5] Sam Kerridge – Captain Coach of White Hills.
[6] Nick Graham – Delisted
[7] Jed Lamb –Didn't make the rookie list
[8] Sam Rowe – delisted after 99 games. The biggest surprise.
8 changes to the senior list.
Confirmed Additions:
4 deals finalized, in one of the busiest trade periods ever.
[1] Alex Fasolo: Confirmed FA
[2] Mitch McGovern: Confirmed trade with Adelaide
[3] Will Setterfield: Confirmed trade with GWS.
[4] Nic Newman: Trade confirmed just yesterday, near 2000 hours.
National Draft Selections:
[1] Sam Walsh – pick #1 and deserved to be so. had statistically the best U18 year in history.
[2] Liam Stocker – Pick #19. The winner of the Morrish medal.
[3] Finbar O'Dwyer – The roughy of the draft. Pick #66 and a school mate of Ben Silvagni.
[4] Ben Silvagni – pick #70. F/S Big weight on his shoulders.
With 8 guys gone from the senior list, we picked up 8 players, 6 of whom will probably play early in 2019.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Hugh Goddard – In to replace Rowe. Something of a surprise.
[2] Tom Bugg – Defensive forward?
We have 1 rookie space left if we decide to recruit someone mid-season.
How Le Bois survived is something I do not comprehend. But that is another tale.
Cat B Rookies:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Cillian McDaid Retired and will not be returning from Ireland.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Matthew Owies – 21 year old former basketballer with excellent pace.
Collingwood signed 2 Cat B rookies, both from Ireland. I didn't think this was allowed. As such I don't like it at all. We can sign more players as Cat B rookies, especially as we have no Irishman at the moment in that spot.
I do know that we were looking at some of the Irish guys, but I have no idea how we went. I am assuming no more Cat B rookies unless some good news appears soon.
Conclusions:
We have made 12 list changes again this year. That is quite amazing. However, many other clubs have done the same or more this year. We have 11 inclusions at this point, with 1 rookie spot available for the mid-year draft.
The Drafts have been run and won. Our list is more or less fixed until this time next year. So, how did we go?
Update #10 24/11/2018 Last Update for 2018
Senior List:
SOS continues to demonstrate just how much better he is at this caper than our previous List Managers/ Recruiters. His bold machinations earned up an extra pick in the strongest draft for years.
2018 List: 40 players Present AFL Maximum
Confirmed Delistings:
[1] Aaron Mullett – contract not renewed
[2] Cam O’Shea – contract not renewed.
[3] Matthew Wright - he retired and is now heading to Adelaide as an assistant coach.
[4] Ciaran Byrne – our biggest loss, in my humble opinion. Nichevo. :-[ :-[
[5] Sam Kerridge – Captain Coach of White Hills.
[6] Nick Graham – Delisted
[7] Jed Lamb –Didn't make the rookie list
[8] Sam Rowe – delisted after 99 games. The biggest surprise.
8 changes to the senior list.
Confirmed Additions:
4 deals finalized, in one of the busiest trade periods ever.
[1] Alex Fasolo: Confirmed FA
[2] Mitch McGovern: Confirmed trade with Adelaide
[3] Will Setterfield: Confirmed trade with GWS.
[4] Nic Newman: Trade confirmed just yesterday, near 2000 hours.
National Draft Selections:
[1] Sam Walsh – pick #1 and deserved to be so. had statistically the best U18 year in history.
[2] Liam Stocker – Pick #19. The winner of the Morrish medal.
[3] Finbar O'Dwyer – The roughy of the draft. Pick #66 and a school mate of Ben Silvagni.
[4] Ben Silvagni – pick #70. F/S Big weight on his shoulders.
With 8 guys gone from the senior list, we picked up 8 players, 6 of whom will probably play early in 2019.
Rookie List:
Rookie players are able to play senior footy pretty much straight away, and conditions continue to change. However, the rookie list will remain in 2019.
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Matt Shaw – not offered a new contract
[2] Jesse Glass-McCasker – not offered a new contract
[3] Alex Silvagni – Retired. I haven't heard anything of his intentions for 2019 yet.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Hugh Goddard – In to replace Rowe. Something of a surprise.
[2] Tom Bugg – Defensive forward?
We have 1 rookie space left if we decide to recruit someone mid-season.
How Le Bois survived is something I do not comprehend. But that is another tale.
Cat B Rookies:
Confirmed Departures:
[1] Cillian McDaid Retired and will not be returning from Ireland.
Confirmed Additions:
[1] Matthew Owies – 21 year old former basketballer with excellent pace.
Collingwood signed 2 Cat B rookies, both from Ireland. I didn't think this was allowed. As such I don't like it at all. We can sign more players as Cat B rookies, especially as we have no Irishman at the moment in that spot.
I do know that we were looking at some of the Irish guys, but I have no idea how we went. I am assuming no more Cat B rookies unless some good news appears soon.
Conclusions:
We have made 12 list changes again this year. That is quite amazing. However, many other clubs have done the same or more this year. We have 11 inclusions at this point, with 1 rookie spot available for the mid-year draft.
Its amazing. I seem to recall sos stating that we'd make less changes this year yet somehow we went just as hard as before.
Its amazing. I seem to recall sos stating that we'd make less changes this year yet somehow we went just as hard as before.
Indeed. And a number of other clubs mocking us for making that many changes. However, we are not the most changes at all!
Maybe this is the changing face of footy, or merely the reaction to a strong draft cohort ...
Indeed. And a number of other clubs mocking us for making that many changes. However, we are not the most changes at all!
Maybe this is the changing face of footy, or merely the reaction to a strong draft cohort ...
When you are on the bottom this is what happens, we added a fair amount of readymade players.....only BSOS, finbar and Owies are development types.
Even Walsh and Stocker are ready to go type kids....
The club wants results next season hence Walls was also added all be it in a supposed volunteer role......
Great summary Crash. With respect to all of the players that have departed, I don't think any of them were ever going to play in a Carlton Premiership. A major list improvement.Well done SOS
Another truly outstanding effort Crash.
Most appreciated. I'd shout you one if I could ????☕????????????
Yes, surprisingly another 25% turnover. Although most of those we expected, and knew their departures would signal the turning tides.
@ Crash
Re 12 list changes, I would think 3 (Silvagni retirement, Byrne and McDaid going home) were very unexpected. Bolts I think mentioned during the year, I think, that they were looking at single digit list changes, these 3 forced a few extras.
@ Crash
Re 12 list changes, I would think 3 (Silvagni retirement, Byrne and McDaid going home) were very unexpected. Bolts I think mentioned during the year, I think, that they were looking at single digit list changes, these 3 forced a few extras.
Matty Wright was probably another unexpected departure and I suspect that O’Shea and Shaw were thought to be longer term options when they were signed up.
I guess that the prospect of better performing replacements signalled an earlier end to the careers of Rowe, Graham and Laqmb too.
Wright took the Crows deal to coach as there was nothing on offer from us...he was looking after his young family and needed the security....
Wright took the Crows deal to coach as there was nothing on offer from us...he was looking after his young family and needed the security....
Wright made it quite clear that he wanted to go home to Adelaide because they are expecting their first child and his wife wanted to be with family. His insistence on one year contracts indicated that the ‘go home factor’ was at play.
Wright made it quite clear that he wanted to go home to Adelaide because they are expecting their first child and his wife wanted to be with family. His insistence on one year contracts indicated that the ‘go home factor’ was at play.
His Manager has a different view......
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wright-goes-back-home-after-blues-leave-him-hanging-20180925-p505y6.html.........
Good to see him get a 3 year deal after we let him hang....
Hard to justify giving him more his 2018 was pretty ordinary. He didnt look good after the bye.
His Manager has a different view......
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/wright-goes-back-home-after-blues-leave-him-hanging-20180925-p505y6.html.........
Good to see him get a 3 year deal after we let him hang....
Wright’s statement from that article:
”My wife and I are expecting our first child next year and when the opportunity presented to return back to our home state, there was a lot to weigh up but we feel it is the right decision.”
“I will always be incredibly grateful to Carlton for the opportunity to have continued my AFL career when it looked like it was over – it’s been so enjoyable working with a young and talented group. The club is clearly on the right path under ‘Bolts’ and I wish the group nothing but the best for 2019 and beyond.”
I think Wright is being diplomatic. I'm inclined to believe the manager to be honest.
I think Wright is being diplomatic. I'm inclined to believe the manager to be honest.
Why then did Wright insist on one year contracts?
I’m inclined to believe that the manager is pumping up his own tyres ????
Why then did Wright insist on one year contracts?
I’m inclined to believe that the manager is pumping up his own tyres ????
That's no indication that he didn't want to play again next year.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blue-wright-likely-to-go-again-20180820-p4zymx.html
That story is from late August. Initially told to wait until after R23, then the club moved the goalposts again. He got fed up of waiting and took a better, more secure offer. He's not yet 29, and missed 1 game in 3 seasons.
I liked him too Paul but believe that a return to Adelaide had been on the cards for a while. I also believe that the game had gone past him a little this year - he was dropped at one stage to regain touch.
That's no indication that he didn't want to play again next year.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blue-wright-likely-to-go-again-20180820-p4zymx.html
That story is from late August. Initially told to wait until after R23, then the club moved the goalposts again. He got fed up of waiting and took a better, more secure offer. He's not yet 29, and missed 1 game in 3 seasons.
Thats how I read it, he was sick of waiting and went for the security....his form did drop away though so I can understand the clubs position and given the age profile requirements
the odds were against him and I think he knew it......smart player and one of my favs...
I liked him too Paul but believe that a return to Adelaide had been on the cards for a while. I also believe that the game had gone past him a little this year - he was dropped at one stage to regain touch.
Thats how I read it, he was sick of waiting and went for the security....his form did drop away though so I can understand the clubs position and given the age profile requirements
the odds were against him and I think he knew it......smart player and one of my favs...
Yes, I accept that his back end form wasn't great, but given he was playing in such a sh1t team with plenty of poor performers, and given that it was the first time in nearly 3 seasons that his form did taper, I would have thought a one year contract was more than justified. A man in the desert doesn't haggle over the price of water, and given his terrific durability and top shelf goal kicking (both qualities our list lacks), he should have been rewarded.
If poor form was the reason, there's 20 players who should be shown the door before him.
Thats how I read it, he was sick of waiting and went for the security....his form did drop away though so I can understand the clubs position and given the age profile requirements
the odds were against him and I think he knew it......smart player and one of my favs...
Neat player no doubt, but not someone to sell the farm for and Matty knows and understands this.
With a child on the way what would you do ?
Captain the SA Cows and develop your coaching resume for the next three years with family and old friends to support your wife and child or take a 1 year deal with us ?
If she wasn’t expecting he probably would’ve taken our offer...
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If she wasn’t expecting he probably would’ve taken our offer...
Did he end up receiving an offer in the end ?
Did he end up receiving an offer in the end ?
No, I don’t believe he did, because he accepted the Cows offer.
He announced his retirement from senior AFL.
Why then did Wright insist on one year contracts?
I’m inclined to believe that the manager is pumping up his own tyres ????
Agree, I'll believe Wrighty. I think in his own mind, he knew he was done at AFL level.
Agree, I'll believe Wrighty. I think in his own mind, he knew he was done at AFL level.
He struggled last season so I think the right call was made.
He would have got an offer but he knew it wasn't going to be more than this year so he made the right call for his future.
In 3 seasons, Wright played 65 games and kicked 73.34. If Fasolso gets to 70% or 80% of those tallies, I will be extremely surprised.