After Kruddler's convoluted polls, I thought it would be interesting to see how folk would pick their sides for Rounds 1 and 12.
My Round 1 side is based on known quantities and an expectation that Pick 6 knows how to play:
FB: Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB: Simpson Rowe Docherty
C: Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
HF: Gorringe Casboult Wright
FF: J Silvagni C Curnow Petrevski-Seton
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: Kerridge Cuningham Armfield Palmer
Omitted because of injury: Byrne Phillips
My Round 12 side is based more on crystal ball gazing:
FB: Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB: Byrne Rowe Docherty
C: Simpson Cripps E Curnow
HF: C Curnow Casboult Wright
FF: J Silvagni McKay Petrevski-Seton
F: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: Pickett Cuningham Macreadie Phillips
Thoughts?
I'll play...
FB: Plowman Rowe Docherty
HB: Marchbank Weitering Simpson
C: Thomas Murphy Gibbs
HF: Curnow Casboult Silvagni
FF: Sumner McKay Wright
R: Kreuzer Cripps E Curnow
Int: Buckley Palmer Smedts SPS
R12...?? NFI... :D
R1
B Docherty Plowman Rowe
HB Simpson Weitering Marchbank
C Palmer Gibbs Kerridge
HF Silvagni C Curnow Daisy
F Murphy Casboult Wright
R Kruezer Cripps E Curnow
Int SPS, Smedts, Gorringe, Armfield
This is who I think will be picked, not who I would pick...
R12..Need to see injuries, who has developed etc then I can pick a team
B Ciaran Sheehan Sam Rowe Lachie Plowman
HB Sam Docherty Caleb Marchbank Kade Simpson
C Rhys Palmer Patrick Cripps Liam Sumner
HF Jarrod Pickett Levi Casboult Marc Murphy
F Jacob Weitering Charlie Curnow Jack Silvagni
R Matthew Kreuzer Ed Curnow Bryce Gibbs
IC Sam Petrevski-Seton Billie Smedts Dennis Armfield
Harry McKay
Our biggest strength is top level backline.
Biggest problem is no forward line threat. So this is the most attacking we could get I reckon.
Palmer, Murphy, Pickett, Sumner, Smedts, Armfield, SOS & SPS pushing forward as crumbers under McKay, Cas, Weit and Curnow. We may struggle on some defensive transition work but I reckon we could at least kick a score with that team.
My Round 12 side is based more on crystal ball gazing:
FB: Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB: Byrne Rowe Docherty
C: Simpson Cripps E Curnow
HF: C Curnow Casboult Wright
FF: J Silvagni McKay Petrevski-Seton
F: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: Pickett Cuningham Macreadie Phillips
Thoughts?
If Macreadie is playing seniors by round 12, it will be a huge win for the club. I like the rest of your side, but personally I would swap Macreadie for Fisher, or a more boring option, Kerridge.
If Macreadie is playing seniors by round 12, it will be a huge win for the club. I like the rest of your side, but personally I would swap Macreadie for Fisher, or a more boring option, Kerridge.
It probably is a bit of a stretch but I liked the footage of Macreadie playing against Werribee and I don't think he'll find it hard to transition to AFL. Kerridge and Fisher are probably more realistic options.
Palmer will be in the 22 both Rd 1 and Rd 12. Without question.
R1
B Docherty Plowman Rowe
HB Simpson Weitering Marchbank
C Palmer Gibbs Kerridge
HF Silvagni C Curnow Daisy
F Murphy Casboult Wright
R Kruezer Cripps E Curnow
Int SPS, Smedts, Gorringe, Armfield
This is who I think will be picked, not who I would pick...
R12..Need to see injuries, who has developed etc then I can pick a team
Pretty much as I see it EB1, maybe Phillips will nudge out Gorringe if he gets his foot right by Rnd 12.
As we get deeper into the season the seasoned AFL bodies will dominate match day, that's just the way it is. We might find blokes like SPS tiring a bit, and guys like Boekhorst and Cunningham stepping up under the pressure for a spot.
I don't think we will see that much of Pickett or Macreadie in their first year. They are competing for spots where fitness and strength matter.
Will be interesting to see how the club manages guys like Simpson, Wright, Kreuzer and Murphy. I'm hoping we take a realistic approach about 6 day breaks and long plane trips in a year we shouldn't expect too much. The odd weekend off for these guys can really help sharpen the focus and freshen them up! ;)
By round 3 Palmer's kicking will be a major source of discussion on this site.
By round 3 Palmer's kicking will be a major source of discussion on this site.
The guy did play in last year's PF - that says something amongst the star studded GWS crop of players?
And he has, in recent seasons, been kicking a lot more goals (bags even in the NEAFL) so that helps our cause too - and implies he's a decent kick at goal?
By round 3 Palmer's kicking will be a major source of discussion on this site.
That depends. At GWS he was surrounded by good users of the footy. He might very well look good compared to the likes of Sam Kerridge.
At the end of the day, he's our bastard now, and I think he will be our best of our "new recruits" this season.
It's summer and cricket so i've forgotten half the blokes we recruited...lol
Anyway, see how i go.
B Docherty Rowe Plowman
HB Simpson Weitering Boekhorst
C Gibbs Cripps Buckley
HF Silvagni Marchbank Sumner
F Wright Casboult C.Curnow
R Kruezer Murphy E Curnow
Int SPS, Palmer, Armfield, Kerridge
And GWS didn't play in the GF because a certain player couldn't find a target. Turnovers kill you.
Ill review after the preseason comp
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I'd exchange Smedts for White and maybe Armfield for Cuningham....but otherwise I like it.
I'd exchange Smedts for White and maybe Armfield for Cuningham....but otherwise I like it.
Cunningham showed abit when he came in last year, if he has a good preseason and performs well in the Preseason comp, I would reward him with a spot and get games into him. One thing I liked about him is that he is not overawed by a big occassion. Rnd 1 opening night is as big as it gets early in the season so I reckon he plays. Has a bit of c - - - in him also which I like. I think Armfield (as much as I love the bloke) is surplus if the kids are up and running, and he knows this better than anyone.
Agree with White and Smedts, I just want experience and hardness in the rnd 1 side, White brings that.
B. Simpson, Rowe, Marchbank
HB. Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
C. Sumner, Cripps, Kerridge
HF. Thomas, Casboult, Gibbs
F. Sylvagni, C.Curnow, Wright
R. Kreuser, Murphy, E.Curnow
Res. Phillips, Smedts, Palmer, White.
Emerg. Cuningham, Lamb, Gorringe
I can't pick Harry.M yet as he hasn't fired a shot.
Smedts is in based on full fitness and his best Geelong form. ( we can only hope ).
I'm really hoping either ( or both ) Pickett or De Bois develop into a real goalsneak type.
This week should give us a pretty good indicator of what the rnd 1 team will be. On the showing so far picking the team is going to be a hard task:
B Ciaran Sheehan Sam Rowe Lachie Plowman
HB Sam Docherty Caleb Marchbank Kade Simpson
C Zac Fisher Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
HF Jarrod Pickett Levi Casboult Jack Silvagni
F Jacob Weitering Charlie Curnow Matthew Wright
R Matthew Kreuzer Ed Curnow Bryce Gibbs
IC Harrison Macreadie Billie Smedts David Cuningham
Rhys Palmer
You can't really pick McKay on what he's shown so far. That would be charity. I'd like SPS to be available. Lebois?
Kerridge / Thomas / White will probably play but bloody well shouldn't.
NFW as to Thomas getting a game round 1, need to show all on the list that places are earned, not gained by reputation.
Daisy has been the stand out WOG in two practice matches, bewildering if he is in contention for round 1.
NFW as to Thomas getting a game round 1, need to show all on the list that places are earned, not gained by reputation.
Daisy has been the stand out W.O.G. in two practice matches, bewildering if he is in contention for round 1.
EFA. Dont insult us wogs by relating us to Daisy ;)
WOG = worst on ground
BTW I agree that we don't have enough southern Europeans on the list, all good Carlton sides had a few Perovic's, Jezza's, Marcou's, Bortotto's etc etc.
Even uncle Franch or Roonie Dee would be handy right now.
This week should give us a pretty good indicator of what the rnd 1 team will be. On the showing so far picking the team is going to be a hard task:
B Ciaran Sheehan Sam Rowe Lachie Plowman
HB Sam Docherty Caleb Marchbank Kade Simpson
C Zac Fisher Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
HF Jarrod Pickett Levi Casboult Jack Silvagni
F Jacob Weitering Charlie Curnow Matthew Wright
R Matthew Kreuzer Ed Curnow Bryce Gibbs
IC Harrison Macreadie Billie Smedts David Cuningham
Rhys Palmer
You can't really pick McKay on what he's shown so far. That would be charity. I'd like SPS to be available. Lebois?
Kerridge / Thomas / White will probably play but bloody well shouldn't.
Yep agree but sadly with Kerridge until we have a better back up mid he plays. Disposal is shocking - can accumulate it but turns it over half the time and the other half just moves it onto a 50/50 contest.
Reminds me of Robbo without the madness. Tommy Bell was better cause once in a while he could impact the score board. Says a bit about our midfield to think both of those players would most likely be in our starting 18 if we still had them.
Yep agree but sadly with Kerridge until we have a better back up mid he plays. Disposal is shocking - can accumulate it but turns it over half the time and the other half just moves it onto a 50/50 contest.
Reminds me of Robbo without the madness. Tommy Bell was better cause once in a while he could impact the score board. Says a bit about our midfield to think both of those players would most likely be in our starting 18 if we still had them.
Yep - spot on. At least Robbo and Bell provided some physical presence that we are now so sadly lacking. We would be the least 'feared' club in the AFL and we have no one that other teams really fear either physically or from a football sense. Cripps is the closest we've got, but we are so easy to contain on the outside and with no forward structure his good work inside can be pretty easily contained.
I think the side Jeza put up is pretty close. I like what Sheehan brings, but I reckon he will need to string some more full games together after such a long lay off before he's considered. If he was fit and ready I'd have him in for sure. I think Daisy will take his spot [as much as that pains me to say, but maybe Army?].
I also reckon Kerridge will be given first crack ahead of Fisher. I've liked what he has showed but not sure he is ready just yet on a couple of cameo's, and if you play both Silvagni and Pickett you are already pretty tight on midfield rotations. SPS will need to play a few games in the NB's before he is considered - you can't drop a 1st year draftee straight in with no games under his belt.
WOG = worst on ground
BTW I agree that we don't have enough southern Europeans on the list, all good Carlton sides had a few Perovic's, Jezza's, Marcou's, Bortotto's etc etc.
Even uncle Franch or Roonie Dee would be handy right now.
Claiming Jesaulenko as Southern European is like claiming Tim Finn's an Australian export.
WOG = worst on ground
BTW I agree that we don't have enough southern Europeans on the list, all good Carlton sides had a few Perovic's, Jezza's, Marcou's, Bortotto's etc etc.
Even uncle Franch or Roonie Dee would be handy right now.
Mate knew what it meant, was just taking the pee. ;)
WOG = worst on ground
BTW I agree that we don't have enough southern Europeans on the list, all good Carlton sides had a few Perovic's, Jezza's, Marcou's, Bortotto's etc etc.
Even uncle Franch or Roonie Dee would be handy right now.
Rotten Ronnie huh? Hated a blue!
R1 v Richmond
B Simon White Sam Rowe Lachie Plowman
HB Sam Docherty Caleb Marchbank Kade Simpson
C Patrick Cripps Sam Kerridge Marc Murphy
HF Dennis Armfield Levi Casboult Jack Silvagni
F Charlie Curnow Jacob Weitering Matthew Wright
R Matthew Kreuzer Ed Curnow Bryce Gibbs
IC Rhys Palmer, Billy Smedts, Harry McKay, Dale Thomas.
Emerg: Dylan Buckley, Jarrod Pickett, Cameron Polson.
R12 v Giants
FB Plowman Rowe Macreadie
HB Simpson Marchbank Docherty
C Polson Cripps Murphy
HF Curnow McKay Silvagni
FF SPS Weitering Wright
R Kreuzer Curnow E, Gibbs
I: Phillips, Smedts, Palmer, Pickett.
E: Armfield, Buckley, Casboult.
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Plowman
Hb: Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Murphy, Cripps, Cuningham
Hf: Kerridge, Weitering, Palmer
F: Pickett, Casboult, C.Curnow
Foll: Kreuzer, Gibbs
Rov: Wright
I/c: E.Curnow, Fisher, J.Silvagni, Smedts
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Plowman
Hb: Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Murphy, Cripps, Cuningham
Hf: Kerridge, Weitering, Palmer
F: Pickett, Casboult, C.Curnow
Foll: Kreuzer, Gibbs
Rov: Wright
I/c: E.Curnow, Fisher, J.Silvagni, Smedts
A good mix of old and new. Like it.
A good mix of old and new. Like it.
x2..No Daisy though...he will be the most expensive player the NB's have ever had kicking the dew of the grass... ;)
Wonder if Weitering might play forward and play a negative role on Rance?....
x2..No Daisy though...he will be the most expensive player the NB's have ever had kicking the dew of the grass... ;)
Wonder if Weitering might play forward and play a negative role on Rance?....
I heard a bit of Chocko Williams on SEN yesterday and was surprised at his assessment of Rance. To paraphrase, he said that Rance did some brilliant stuff but undid it by regularly kicking straight to the opposition and conceding easy goals. It's not something I have really noticed but it did remind me of some of our blokes.
Anyway, the idea of playing Weitering on Rance has merit, particularly if the pressure the young fellow can apply leads to more poor decision-making and execution.
In time, MacCreadie will be the reason why Weitering can move forward, but not just yet.
B. Simpson, Rowe, Docherty
HB. Weitering, Marchbank,, Plowman
C. Murphy, Gibbs, Cunningham
HF. Silvagni, Casboult, C Curnow
F. Pickett, McKay, Wright
R. Kreuser, ,Cripps, E.Curnow
Sumner, Kerridge, Palmer, Smedts
Settle the back 6 as much as possible, keep your fire power in and around the centre, let the youth run riot up forward.
The team I picked back in January needs fine tuning!
FB: Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB: Simpson Rowe Docherty
C: Boekhorst Cuningham Cripps E Curnow
HF: Gorringe J Silvagni Casboult Wright
FF: Palmer C Curnow Petrevski-Seton Armfield
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: Kerridge Macreadie Pickett Smedts
Weitering will spend time forward and Rowe will give Kreuzer a chop out in the ruck. SOJ and Charlie Curnow will be involved in the midfield rotations.
FB: Plowman Rowe Docherty
HB: Simpson Weitering Marchbank
C: C Curnow Murphy E Curnow
HF: Wright Casboult Silvagni
FF: Pickett McKay Armfield
FOLL: Kreuzer Cripps Gibbs
INT: Cunningham Fisher Kerridge Palmer
SPS or Army?
The former if fit, every day of the week.
4 mids on the interchange? i'd have Smedts or even Macreadie....i reckon the latter will be the steal of the draft.
There seems to be general consensus re our back 6. It will be interesting to see how much it differs from the selected team in 2 weeks time!
SPS or Army?
The former if fit, every day of the week.
4 mids on the interchange? i'd have Smedts or even Macreadie....i reckon the latter will be the steal of the draft.
I liked the look of MacReadie in the Saints game, attacks the footy well and seems suited to that intercept marking role across half back...
Smedts was reasonable given his fitness issues of recent times and just getting through games is probably a bonus.....would be some chance for round 1.
Army is a fan favourite and has a career off the field waiting for him at the club...I think whe will get a few games but his future is now off the round in player welfare type roles etc...
The team I picked back in January needs fine tuning!
FB: Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB: Simpson Rowe Docherty
C: Boekhorst Cuningham Cripps E Curnow
HF: Gorringe J Silvagni Casboult Wright
FF: Palmer C Curnow Petrevski-Seton Armfield
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Int: Kerridge Macreadie Pickett Smedts
Weitering will spend time forward and Rowe will give Kreuzer a chop out in the ruck. SOJ and Charlie Curnow will be involved in the midfield rotations.
Rowe won't be rucking with Casboult there, who did it with Kreuzer in the first JLT game. Yes, Weitering may well play forward.
Miss Maven, I've copied your team.
The back 6 is the same, but with the following changes :
- Cas and McKay swap positions. I'm persisting with my Cas in the goal square theory, at least for now.
-Assuming LeBois is allowed to play, he's in.
- Drop Palmer, Army on the I/C
-Drop Cunningham, Jones on the I/C
FB: Plowman Rowe Docherty
HB: Simpson Weitering Marchbank
C: C Curnow Murphy E Curnow
HF: Wright McKay Silvagni J
FF: Pickett Casboult LeBois
FOLL: Kreuzer Cripps Gibbs
INT: Jones Fisher Kerridge Army
With the possible exception of Rowe, that back line is not shabby by any means.
FB: Plowman Rowe Docherty
HB: Simpson Weitering Marchbank
Gee I reckon Rowe cops an unfair whack from people at times.....
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-03-07/keeping-it-simple-is-sams-way
Through 2016 Rowe primarily sought consistency of performance, “and for the most part I was getting that”. The good judges saw that too, and so it was that Rowe finished equal sixth alongside Matthew Wright in the John Nicholls Medal.
It’s a matter of record that Rowe appeared in all 22 club matches and tallied the most game time of any of his Carlton contemporaries, averaging 95.45 per cent a game. It’s also a truism that Rowe was the AFL’s numero uno for one-percenters with 215 through the season proper.
IMO he has well and truly earned his spot in our best 22, as a KPD.
Yes, he has earned his spot, but earning a spot is relative to who else is competing. He's an honest trier who has no doubt improved. But his ball use and decision making are both suss, and is the worst of those back 6 in these two aspects.
Yes, he has earned his spot, but earning a spot is relative to who else is competing. He's an honest trier who has no doubt improved. But his ball use and decision making are both suss, and is the worst of those back 6 in these two aspects.
... and first in the AFL for 1%ers
I certainly wouldn't rate him as the worst of that back 6 in terms of ball use and decision making. Have you ever taken note of how many times Docherty turns the ball over? And he plays as a loose man most of the time. Rowe has a different role to the other defenders and he does it very well. As the website article notes, those who vote on our B&F had him as our equal sixth best player.
... and first in the AFL for 1%ers
I certainly wouldn't rate him as the worst of that back 6 in terms of ball use and decision making. Have you ever taken note of how many times Docherty turns the ball over? And he plays as a loose man most of the time. Rowe has a different role to the other defenders and he does it very well. As the website article notes, those who vote on our B&F had him as our equal sixth best player.
Yes he was 6th, but Doc the Turnover Merchant was 1st.
I'm not anti Rowe. If we want to be the team/club of our collective dreams, of our collective aspirations, we can't keep glossing over players weak points. Watch Rowe when he takes possession - his first instinct is for the quick hand ball or short pass off to a team mate. Whether by instinct or instruction, I know not. Maybe he simply needs to back himself more.
The reason Carlton have been a struggling football club for the last 20 years, is because we look too much at what blokes don't do, rather than what they can and will do.
There is almost nothing wrong with Rowe's game. He has a role, he plays it week in and out to the best of his abilities.
He doesn't get a game because there isnt a better alternative. He beat out and out lasted Jamison who's body let him down, for the last few years. He has battled adversity to get to where he is now. Went from Sydney to Norwood and took the long hard road back to AFL footy.
Rowe will be superceded in time. Not because he is found wanting, but someone will beat him out of the side, and there is no shame in that, but he will make players earn that spot irrespective of relative quality. more talented players have come through Carlton and been found wanting, and its about time we celebrate attitude over ability because thats the only way we are going to get anywhere as a footy club.
Rowe has his limitations without doubt but he is far from being the main reason we find ourselves in the current predicament. He has played in a defence that has been mercilessly exposed week in week out by very poor defensive efforts and skill errors further up the ground.
Rowe has his limitations without doubt but he is far from being the main reason we find ourselves in the current predicament. He has played in a defence that has been mercilessly exposed week in week out by very poor defensive efforts and skill errors further up the ground.
x2
Having pace, smart players, or well drilled and motivated slower players, won't help you when the chases don't happen.
Good AFL teams only need one opponent running forward and not chasing for the flood gates to open up, we've offered most teams way more than one of those options each week. I won't name them, you all have your favorites!
It has nothing to do with pace, stamina or strength, it is all about attitude.
Rowe won't be rucking with Casboult there, who did it with Kreuzer in the first JLT game. Yes, Weitering may well play forward.
Yes he will!
I should have said that Rowe will give Kreuzer AND Casboult a chop out but with with Phillips and Gorringe out of contention, Rowe will be used in the ruck from time to time as he has been throughout his career. He actually mentions it in his interview and talks about training to play in the ruck.
Rowe is actually a better tap ruckman than Casboult but the latter is more effective around the ground.