Ridiculously hard to give votes this week. Could've given votes to 10 players easily.
I'll settle with... 3. Davey - Highest possession winner on the ground, daylight ahead of 2nd. Solid, consistent and dependable. 2. Vescio - Quiet game compared to last week, but thats because the ball didnt get down there as much. Still extremely dangerous when the ball is near her. 2 goals 1. Exon - Relentless in the 1%'s. Plays like simmo. Our =highest tackler on the day, never dies wondering with repeat efforts a plenty. Team player.
KGJ, Sierlaw, Downie, Jakobsson, Loynes, hardimann, arnell.....the list goes on, all unlucky.
8,000 people at the game apparently and there are long queues for the Collingwood-Melbourne game. Given that GWS has little support, 8,000 is a respectable crowd and it seems that the first round attendances weren't a flash in the pan.
A good result by the girls and it will be very interesting to see whether they can continue their winning streak
I reckon the changing of the start time may have caught a few out as well.
Firstly, those commentators gave me the irrits. It was all Giants this and Giants that. When we kicked a goal to get back to 6 points it was Carlton are back in this contest. We were only 12 points down before the kick with just under a half to play. Seriously. Then we were 3 goals up and we 'might' be ok?
Anywho...despite all the pro-giants crap, not just the mens game apparantly, we came out on top with a very good and gutsy win.
Same players i mentioned last week i was happy with.
Vescio Davey Jakobsson Brazzalle Exon etc
Thought Shierlaw and Downie were good marking options for us.
Did i hear correctly that we were premiership favourites?
I think there's just a touch of hyperbole there. Byrne was the closest to an elite level Gaelic footballer and O'hAilpin won the equivalent of a rising star award for hurling, Tuohy played Gaelic football as a junior and Sheehan had a few years at senior level. They were all part-time, amateur sportsmen. Regardless of that, someone at the club taught them how to kick, mark, handpass, bump, tackle, bounce, position themselves, read the ball and the play, etc, etc. Of course, they were all rookied because someone recognised their potential to transition from their games to a very different, full-time professional contact sport played with a different ball, and no hurley in the case of Setanta.
It's the same reason the AFLW league has recruited basketballers, netballers, soccer players, cricketers, track and field players and a few other sports players. It is NOT because there is a limited number of women footballers, rather because they are already playing sports at a high level and can be taught those things quickly.
Being a professional footballer is as much about being a professional as it is being a footballer.
How then do we turn blokes like Setanta, Tuohy, Byrne and Sheehan into reasonable players? Someone must know what they're doing
I think that part of the problem is that we have taken far too long to work out that times have changed and you can no longer buy success.
All 4 of them were elite players in their own right before coming to the club. That explains a lot.
If you have players with the right internal makeup, they will succeed no matter what. Look at Kade Simpson. However, the majority of people/players can only take so much and most get worn down by bad culture.
Years of Hughes and Rogers mangling your list will do that...as Paul said Clarkson couldnt get results with that rabble....
They can share some of the blame. I think at least an equal share goes to whoever has been in charge of developing players over the same period.
We couldn't simply be 'that good' at picking bad players. We had to 'create' some bad players as well.
Club culture is a hard thing to get right, and our efforts since the Pagan days has done little to create a good one. Some got closer than others, but largely its been a balls up.
Think you are selling Barker a bit short their too. He had the boys for longer than Malthouse did in our final year. He couldn't make them play either.
Going over old ground here but I'll play..Dont agree..I think its relevant to his time at Carlton, he was happy to go with his old ways and the Navy Blue rat pack initially when he was promising premierships and Nirvana to the faithful when he arrived at the club....agree? Mick the Re-Builder/Shaper appeared after he had to admit he mis-judged the capabilities of the list and he was looking for a get out of jail card to save his job and try and get an extension, he did start shaping the clubs list by getting rid of players.. some who deserved it and some who didnt...Bolton and SOS have had to fix the list he miss-shaped....IMO.
Mick didn't promise flags. The media portrayed it that way due to his tongue in cheek comments about which games we would lose for the year.
The whole club pumped him up as the messiah, prematurely. It was clear that after a honeymoon period, the players fell into their old roles which saw the previous coaches sacked. Hence my gripe with the players/culture.
Who didnt deserve to go?
Everyone who went IMO went to improve the culture of the club and lift the standards around the club.
And I don't need to point out other issues, like :
ego driven public spats with players sooky media performances awful on field performances forward line disappearing act under his watch etc.
As i said first, nobody is right/wrong 100% of the time. I've never suggested otherwise. He had his shortcomings no doubt.
Point is still valid. He has had a large hand in shaping our list.
FWIW, all but Everitt were chosen by the list manager/recruiters. Everitt won our goal kicking one year so its not all bad. We got more out of him than anyone else did and it cost us nothing. When he was up and running he was great.
Laughable to suggest that Malthouse went along with Murphy being made Captain for marketing reasons.
Murphy has remained captain under Bolton, so he must be in on the conspiracy as well.
Laughable that a bloke that had never played for the club could be made captain. Especially when he was a reluctant captain previously. Enter Judd
Laughable to suggest that the club wanted to sack mick, but told him they still wanted him to coach out the season like nothing happened. Oh wait.
The club wanted Murphy. He is the future of the club, he sells all the jumpers. Poster boy etc. He was obviously close to being chosen as the captain, but Mick didn't have the final say in that. The club overruled him. Its not the first time its happened and it won't be the last.
As for Murphy still being captain....there are a large amount of people that wish that wouldn't be the case....but whats done is done and we are sticking with it.
I find the idea that Malthouse was/is considered a zealot of club culture ludicrous...he had different rules for different players at Collingwood and had clear barriers develop between his younger and older players.
...yet none of this is relevant to his time at Carlton.
Do you disagree that he had a large part in shaping the list?
