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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -
I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.
Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.
Probably still be 6 -9.  Our issues are more than that. We have to put a hold on opinions, re Houston, until we see how Jagga, Campo and O'Farrell go. Given our efforts this year we may have got that right. Given our attitude and committment this year Houston would have been a waste. May as well hit the future.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -


while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.
Yes and no. LM drafts players on football ability and character. Gimme a hard working, loyal B grader who would run through brick walls for the jumper and the coach over an A grade sook who throws the toys out of the pram when it all gets too hard.

Still mate the players that took the field for both of those losses were more then capable to beat those teams and failed.

That is on Voss and the players that took the field in those 2 games - they just didnt want it enough
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Our Next Captain
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Or there's a lot of hand wringing about what is quoted when potentially he's not talking about anyone in particular.

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“But I feel like we’ve got the right group of people at the club to really band together and stick together.

“And we’ve got your mob this week, mate, so it’s always a big clash, big rivalry, which usually brings out the best in both sides.”

Maybe its just a subtle message for TDK.
Wouldnt waste my breath, he's checked out and out the door already.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -


Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.
Yes and no. LM drafts players on football ability and character. Gimme a hard working, loyal B grader who would run through brick walls for the jumper and the coach over an A grade sook who throws the toys out of the pram when it all gets too hard.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -
We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by pertz -
Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.
Agree with the principal, but my view is that we thought we were in a premiership window but were in reality not.
I know we got to a prelim final in 2023, however the list has been overrated - this result was an anomaly.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.

110% - i just wrote similar on another topic.

We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Houston was exactly the sort of player we needed and word is he wanted to come to us. A reliable user of the ball. I bet he is grateful we said no as he may have a medal around his neck come years end instead of going on Mad Monday after the H and A season.

 


 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Our Next Captain
Last post by Thryleon -
Or there's a lot of hand wringing about what is quoted when potentially he's not talking about anyone in particular.

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“But I feel like we’ve got the right group of people at the club to really band together and stick together.

“And we’ve got your mob this week, mate, so it’s always a big clash, big rivalry, which usually brings out the best in both sides.”

Maybe its just a subtle message for TDK.