Carlton Supporters Club

OK, so a miracle has happened and all our players are fit for the first time in history.

Who do we pick to ensure we win the 2022 Grand Final?

I suggest you pick a team on paper first, or better yet, use this magnet board...
http://jimmae.epizy.com/teamboard.html?i=3

Then enter in your 22 players.

Some very hard calls will have to be made. I think we will get some very different results.

Newman        Weitering        Saad

McGovern      Young             Docherty

Cottrell           Cripps             LOB

TDK                Curnow, C       Owies

Short Durds   McKay             JSOS

R: Pitto, Kennedy, Walsh

Int: Cerra, Fisher, Hewett, Honey.

Emerg: Boyd, Martin, Plowman, Williams.

Newman        Weitering        Saad

McGovern      Young             Docherty

Cottrell           Cripps             LOB

TDK                Curnow, C       Owies

Short Durds   McKay             JSOS

R: Pitto, Kennedy, Walsh

Int: Cerra, Fisher, Hewett, Honey.

Emerg: Boyd, Martin, Plowman, Williams.

Its a poll mate, pick 22 from the list. ;)

Incidentally, we only have 1 difference from our 22, and its the 22nd player you selected.

Its a poll mate, pick 22 from the list. ;)

Incidentally, we only have 1 difference from our 22, and its the 22nd player you selected.

Sorry 'bout that!

(agonized over Honey). Great minds... eh!

Sorry 'bout that!

(agonized over Honey). Great minds... eh!

I didnt even consider him. I agonised over Plowman, Williams and Stocker. I chose Plowman (yes Plowman) because:
- He is extremely resilient and rarely gets injured.
- Since Gov went back, Plow has developed a decent attacking game.
- Williams is far too injury prone which is a crtieria I rate highly (also rules out blokes like Marchy, Cunningham, Martin for me).

My team
B Saad Weitering Newman
HB McGovern Young Docherty
C Cerra Cripps LoB
HF Silvagni C. Curnow Fisher
F C. Durdin McKay Kennedy
R Pittonet Hewett Walsh
I/C TDK, Owies, Cottrell, Stocker
Medi Sub E.Curnow

It seems as fans we value durability more than most seem to think.

I didnt even consider him. I agonised over Plowman, Williams and Stocker. I chose Plowman (yes Plowman) because:
- He is extremely resilient and rarely gets injured.
- Since Gov went back, Plow has developed a decent attacking game.
- Williams is far too injury prone which is a crtieria I rate highly (also rules out blokes like Marchy, Cunningham, Martin for me).

Same page here re: the glassmen. I also steered clear of blokes who, sadly, just can't be relied up because of the durability (or fragility thereof) of their bodies. If I hadn't gone with Honey it would have been Plowman. Just got a hunch about Honey - my 'long shot.'

Honey wouldn't make my top 26.

Honey wouldn't make my top 26.

He is even further out than that for me.

The funny thing is that if we'd done this poll at the end of last season I reckon a large percentage of us would have had Honey in the side.
I can't find a thread on this site but I've seen one on another that has exactly that.

He is even further out than that for me.

I have Jack Martin in. If he is fit and at his best he is a match winner.

The funny thing is that if we'd done this poll at the end of last season I reckon a large percentyage of us would have had Honey in the side.
I can't find a thread on this site but I've seen one on another that has exactly that.

Not me Lods, I wasn't convinced, still aren't. He has speed which I love but I haven't seen it used at AFL level anywhere near enough. It costs nothing to use and could be a weapon. To me if he keeps going like this, the MC will get frustrated and those coming back from injury will easily displace him from the side. As someone pointed out, he is young, but time runs out fast in this caper for certain types.

I have Jack Martin in. If he is fit and at his best he is a match winner.

Yeah see disagree with that as I just don't see it. Seems to have all the talent in the world but just doesn't stay in games long enough, maybe that's fitness, I think its btw the ears personally.

Not me Lods, I wasn't convinced, still aren't. He has speed which I love but I haven't seen it used at AFL level anywhere near enough. It costs nothing to use and could be a weapon. To me if he keeps going like this, the MC will get frustrated and those coming back from injury will easily displace him from the side. As someone pointed out, he is young, but time runs out fast in this caper for certain types.

I think the problem was that he gave a couple of flashes in the games he played last year and folks got a bit excited by the prospect of some natural development.
That just hasn't happened.
Injury played a part, but he's really shown little since his return to the side.

Intersting, first 10 votes
- 12 usual suspects make everyone ones list
- 9 have Lob and Cotts as best 22 (who woulda thunk it start of this year)
- Cerra and Bam Bam dont make best 22 twice

I think the problem was that he gave a couple of flashes in the games he played last year and folks got a bit excited by the prospect of some natural development.
That just hasn't happened.
Injury played a part, but he's really shown little since his return to the side.

Yes and I think by and large, those who have returned from injury have been bang on (or pretty close to it) form and fitness wise. I reckon he is one of those really good VFL players but not very good AFL players (ie big gap). Time will tell I guess.

Intersting, first 10 votes
- 12 usual suspects make everyone ones list
- 9 have Lob and Cotts as best 22 (who woulda thunk it start of this year)
- Cerra and Bam Bam dont make best 22 twice

I think someone has taken the piss because everyone on our list has a vote, including blokes like Mirkov, Akuei, Philp etc.

I have Jack Martin in. If he is fit and at his best he is a match winner.

He was fighting for my 22nd spot. If i did this every day this week, he'd make the team at least once. Very close to making it and on another day, he probably would.

I agree with you.
He is a match winner.
If this is indeed a side playing on in the grand final (as i suggested), you'd just about pick him. He could win you the game.
If he gets injured, or goes missing, sub him out.

In the end, i went for Zac Williams as my 22nd player.....but could've easily been Plowman (who was stiff to lose the spot to Newman). Ultimately, he would play as the 7th defender, extra midfielder.

Ultimately, i went for a side that could take anything and cover any injury.

2 rucks - Pittonet and TDK.
2 Key backs, with 1 tall backup - Weitering, Young and McGovern
2 Key forwards, with 1 tall backup - McKay, Curnow and Silvagni

Small forwards had 2 genuine, with 1 who can play midfield if required- Durdin, Owies and Fisher
Small/medium backs - 3, with an extra mid/back  - Saad, Docherty, Newman and Williams on the bench

2 genuine wingers - O'Brien, Cottrell

5 elite Mids - Cripps, Cerra, Hewitt, with Walsh and Kennedy coming in off the bench. Walsh tagteaming on the wing as he does, with Kennedy being able to sneak forward (or Cripps).  With backups of Fisher and Williams for depth.

B Saad Weitering Newman
HB McGovern Young Docherty
C Cottrell Cripps LoB
HF Silvagni C. Curnow Fisher
F C. Durdin McKay Owies
R Pittonet Hewett Cerra
I/C TDK, Kennedy, Walsh, Williams

It depends on the other mob. 

Correct.  I can see Young being overlooked depending on who we play. If Marchy, Gov and Weitering are all on the park and good to go then there will be a couple of oppositions where that 'tall 3' combo might be more effective. 
Also don't  be surprised if Setterfield disrupts a few 'best 22' in the next few weeks.

Wonder when the last time the best 22 actually played together over the last few years.

Wonder when the last time the best 22 actually played together over the last few years.

We are pretty close now.

Pittonet will have a huge impact. He has only played in one loss this year where he was injured in the first quarter which was the reason why we lost.

Wonder when the last time the best 22 actually played together over the last few years.

Less than 10 games at most.  I think the last time we got close to it, was 2011, and the wheels had fallen off by finals where we were rucking our second stringers, and playing make shifters down forward.

No wonder we lost to west coast and even then it was only by a kick.

Correct.  I can see Young being overlooked depending on who we play. If Marchy, Gov and Weitering are all on the park and good to go then there will be a couple of oppositions where that 'tall 3' combo might be more effective. 
Also don't  be surprised if Setterfield disrupts a few 'best 22' in the next few weeks.

Most teams have a 200cm forward these days if not a couple, I think Young with his extra height is an automatic down back.
I wouldn't trust Marchbank to hold up in a tough finals series and he is undersized to play KP imho.
Setterfield is another who I wouldnt have in my team for the finals and whose kicking in particular under pressure is ordinary and I wouldn't be blinded by him getting some easy ball vs GWS who are not exactly a high pressure opposition.

Both Dow and Setterfield were showing some promising signs in the early days. Then, either through injury, new coach etc., they've both suffered through lack of continuity and have stalled. Add to that the competitive and developmental wasteland that was VFL football in 2020/21, the usual upheavals with coaches etc. it's not surprising where they're at. They both need a solid block of games (I'd give them half a season), played mainly in one position and not all over the place, and then judge them. Assuming they are even on our list next season.

Most teams have a 200cm forward these days if not a couple, I think Young with his extra height is an automatic down back.
I wouldn't trust Marchbank to hold up in a tough finals series and he is undersized to play KP imho.
Setterfield is another who I wouldnt have in my team for the finals and whose kicking in particular under pressure is ordinary and I wouldn't be blinded by him getting some easy ball vs GWS who are not exactly a high pressure opposition.

Young is a lock in the 22.  As you say EB, most teams have at least one forward around the 200cm mark and Young has the attributes to match them.

Weitering has the ability to play on all but the speediest small forwards and did the job on Greene for part of the game.  If Marchbank comes back, it will be as an intercept defender, not as a key defender.

I disagree on Setterfield.  In form, he is a significant upgrade on Newnes and well ahead of Hayes and Carroll.

Young is a lock in the 22.  As you say EB, most teams have at least one forward around the 200cm mark and Young has the attributes to match them.

Weitering has the ability to play on all but the speediest small forwards and did the job on Greene for part of the game.  If Marchbank comes back, it will be as an intercept defender, not as a key defender.

I disagree on Setterfield.  In form, he is a significant upgrade on Newnes and well ahead of Hayes and Carroll.

DJ, I wouldn't be considering Newnes, , Carroll or Hayes in my best 22 either and at the moment wouldn't have Martin or Williams in that 22 but Imho both would be well ahead of Setterfield who imo has been disappointing in terms of his kicking and inconsistent attack on the ball
He isn't a terrible player but not one I would want on a wing in a first up final vs J Daicos and S.Sidebottom...

I disagree on Setterfield.  In form, he is a significant upgrade on Newnes and well ahead of Hayes and Carroll.

Forget Hayes and Carroll. No where near the best 22.

Setterfield vs Newnes comes down to one thing....consistency.

Setterfield has been in and out of the side because he hasn't been consistent. When you want consistency, you call on Newnes.
That was the whole reason we got him. We needed an honest foot soldier who just did his job without being remarkable.
I pushed for him for that very reason and its been a success.

That being said, he was only a stop gap until the kids came through. They are definitely starting to come through. LOB, Cottrell and perhaps even Setterfield are certainly coming through now.

How did Young get an extra vote?  All of the usual suspects are on 15, and he is on 16......

How did Young get an extra vote?  All of the usual suspects are on 15, and he is on 16......

There was someone who seemingly voted for all the worst players.....guess he didn't know who young was and voted for him too.
There are 16 people who have voted.

Correct.  I can see Young being overlooked depending on who we play. If Marchy, Gov and Weitering are all on the park and good to go then there will be a couple of oppositions where that 'tall 3' combo might be more effective. 
Also don't  be surprised if Setterfield disrupts a few 'best 22' in the next few weeks.

Young is a lock in my book.  Our best recruit this year (slightly shades Hewitt).

When Jones was gone, our backline was looking very thin.  But it is better than ever now, due in no small part to Young.  He has one of the best spoils in the game.

What were the Bulldogs thinking?

Young is a lock in my book.  Our best recruit this year (slightly shades Hewitt).

When Jones was gone, our backline was looking very thin.  But it is better than ever now, due in no small part to Young.  He has one of the best spoils in the game.

What were the Bulldogs thinking?

Given the amount if i juries we've had,especially from key backs, if we didnt recruit young there is no chance we'd be playing finals this year.
Zero.

Shouldnt we be choosing 23?

4 interchange and a sub?

Marchbank looked pretty good in that one game back against Essendon and it will be a nice "problem" to have if we get all of him, McGovern and Young up and running at the same time. But Young definitely in the best 22 IMO. Just his sheer size means he can play on the big key forwards or resting ruckman.

Shouldnt we be choosing 23?

4 interchange and a sub?

I thought about it, but then i thought its a bit of a cop out.
22 will play. 23 if you're unlucky.
Do you include 3 more for emergencies if there is a late change too? You gotta stop somewhere. I stopped at 22.

If there was a way to change the poll to include a 'specific sub' then i would have.