2nd last games of the Home and away season, this result will define our year.
If we win its all academic, however:
If Car Lose by WB need to win by
1 15
2 15
3 14
4 13
5 12
6 10
7 8
8 8
9 7
10 5
11 5
12 3
13 1
WB game is before ours so we will know what we need to do.
If the Pies win today they'll go to 64
If I'm reading it right that'll secure their top 4 spot.
We on the other hand will still be fighting for a finals position.
We'll have the incentive...they may be looking to 'manage' a few players with reduced roles and avoiding injury.
Need to bring last nights effort.
If the Pies win today they'll go to 64
If I'm reading it right that'll secure their top 4 spot.
We on the other hand will still be fighting for a finals position.
We'll have the incentive...they may be looking to 'manage' a few players with reduced roles and avoiding injury.
Need to bring last nights effort.
Dunno if I subscribe to this, I have always thought no matter where we both are on the ladder, its on like donkey kong. Both want to beat their arch rivals.
Dunno if I subscribe to this, I have always thought no matter where we both are on the ladder, its on like donkey kong. Both want to beat their arch rivals.
That's true...but it's not often we get the situation that faces us next weekend.
That's true...but it's not often we get the situation that faces us next weekend.
No we don't, and lets hope it never has to happen again.
No we don't, and lets hope it never has to happen again.
Yep is strange usually we are discussing tanking and working our way to the 1st pick in the draft...
Booing of Cripps will be feral next week too, Pies fans will be out for some fun and I did find it annoying last night and it will only be worse when those duffle coated muppets start doing it...
I suspect the arch rivals notion is more for older supporters and older players. I think with the game going national, plus the draft, salary cap, no more traditional zones etc., I think the current players don't really see those traditional rivalries. It sounds like reading lines off a cue card when modern players talk about it. I remember Malthouse saying that those old territorial battles were a thing of the past when he was our coach, and I'd have to say I tend to agree.
I suspect the arch rivals notion is more for older supporters and older players. I think with the game going national, plus the draft, salary cap, no more traditional zones etc., I think the current players don't really see those traditional rivalries. It sounds like reading lines off a cue card when modern players talk about it. I remember Malthouse saying that those old territorial battles were a thing of the past when he was our coach, and I'd have to say I tend to agree.
I could not disagree more.
I could not disagree more.
No worries. We can agree to disagree.
No worries. We can agree to disagree.
For sure, I'm not suggesting the rivalry is the be all and end all, I'm just saying its alive and well (thanks to groups like the SOC and the Woodsmen) and neither team will give an inch next week.
Media keep the old school rivalry's alive because its good for business and ratings...the AFL love it too and Carlton playing finals especially vs the traditional rivals is a money tree guaranteed to grow the AFL purse.
Media keep the old school rivalry's alive because its good for business and ratings...the AFL love it too and Carlton playing finals especially vs the traditional rivals is a money tree guaranteed to grow the AFL purse.
Yes, I think that's part of it. The groups that GTC refers to are completely justified in their feelings on this issue, but I think they represent a niche demographic within the supporter base, and one that is on the decline. The media is also keen to keep creating new rivalries.
Ginnivan hamstring.......already falling into place for us...
First home game in a month -- tough run for the lads but still think Collingwood are a little soft.
Fragile Blues v the ginnoless pies...
First home game in a month -- tough run for the lads but still think Collingwood are a little soft.
Pretty sure I heard them say they are the number 1 pressure side in the comp.
We have the added incentive of ruining the Pies double chance now. Go Blues!
First home game in a month -- tough run for the lads but still think Collingwood are a little soft.
Collingwood didn't like the in-close pressure against the Swans today. Cut the free run that have been enjoying lately.
I reckon if we win we will play them again the first week of finals.
Pretty sure I heard them say they are the number 1 pressure side in the comp.
It got reversed today and they got found out. big time. Of their 7 goals 4 were frees, some real shockers, and two very generous turnovers.
Ginnivan hamstring.......already falling into place for us...
Lucky aren't we 😄
Need to tag the Daicos boys, we didnt tag Lachie Neale and paid for it but these two kids are the ones that give the Pies wheels through the middle and set up a lot of their moves.
Swans used Clarke on NickD and he cut him back to just an average game and a few of those old blokes like Sidebottom, Pendles and Elliott really were non effective in terms of linking up play and creating any run.
Pies also lack one tall defender now that Roughead retired and we should be able to stretch them down back if the weather is kind to us. They looked tired and battle weary playing the Swans and like they are waiting for that weeks rest, I'd expect them to do better at the MCG with more space to work in but imho I reckon they are ripe for a good smashing and if we can get some run in our legs and intensity we sail into the finals rather than limp in...
Need to tag the Daicos boys, we didnt tag Lachie Neale and paid for it but these two kids are the ones that give the Pies wheels through the middle and set up a lot of their moves.
Swans used Clarke on NickD and he cut him back to just an average game and a few of those old blokes like Sidebottom, Pendles and Elliott really were non effective in terms of linking up play and creating any run.
Pies also lack one tall defender now that Roughead retired and we should be able to stretch them down back if the weather is kind to us. They looked tired and battle weary playing the Swans and like they are waiting for that weeks rest, I'd expect them to do better at the MCG with more space to work in but imho I reckon they are ripe for a good smashing and if we can get some run in our legs and intensity we sail into the finals rather than limp in...
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Collingwood didn't like the in-close pressure against the Swans today. Cut the free run that have been enjoying lately.
I reckon if we win we will play them again the first week of finals.
Thought the same thing, the relentless pressure at the contest, the taking the pace off the game with chipping it around, then opening it up with speed on the ball. Rottingwood were at 6s and 7s... never looked like it.
This is our chance to play an early elimination final. Will have played 6 of the teams in the top 8 in the last 10 matches and likely to have no wins to any of those games. My bad. One against Fremantle. Will continue to be difficult without Kennedy and Hewitt.
VFL side is in the same boat. Win and stay in, lose and fall out.
Cometh the moment cometh the TEAM 8)
Need to tag the Daicos boys, we didnt tag Lachie Neale and paid for it but these two kids are the ones that give the Pies wheels through the middle and set up a lot of their moves.
Swans used Clarke on NickD and he cut him back to just an average game and a few of those old blokes like Sidebottom, Pendles and Elliott really were non effective in terms of linking up play and creating any run.
Pies also lack one tall defender now that Roughead retired and we should be able to stretch them down back if the weather is kind to us. They looked tired and battle weary playing the Swans and like they are waiting for that weeks rest, I'd expect them to do better at the MCG with more space to work in but imho I reckon they are ripe for a good smashing and if we can get some run in our legs and intensity we sail into the finals rather than limp in...
Spot on EB.
Nick D has been running around unopposed all year..until now. The BS stops and the real stuff starts, I hope we learnt from:
1. When we played them last and Sidey ran around all day alone.
2. How the Swans dismantled them today.
I think it will be hard and I dont share your confidence, but finals start this week for us so lets see what Vossy and the boys have got. We almost rolled the reigning premiers but for two minutes of "lack of attention to detail" according to Vossy.
This is our chance to play an early elimination final. Will have played 6 of the teams in the top 8 in the last 10 matches and likely to have no wins to any of those games. My bad. One against Fremantle. Will continue to be difficult without Kennedy and Hewitt.
Whilst we’ve had a couple of important players out, the bigger issue has been that over the past month or so approx a third of the team has been short of a run as we’ve had so many players returning from injury (eg Weitering, McGovern, honey, Marchbank, Martin, Pittonet, Setterfield).
Each week that goes by the same players are getting AFL match conditioned and it’s only a matter of time before we hit top form. Hoping like hell it’s against the pies.
Cant wait for this this game, crowd will be at fever pitch!
I just hope the boys haven't spent all their tickets against the Demons. That was surely an exhausting game.
I just hope the boys haven't spent all their tickets against the Demons. That was surely an exhausting game.
Reckon we can go one more round at that intensity, Pies looked tired as they have been up for a long while, Id expect them to bring in some youth to bolster the running power.
No Adams and Grundy plus Degoey still doubtful gives me confidence we have enough petrol in the tank to knock them over...
Reckon we can go one more round at that intensity, Pies looked tired as they have been up for a long while, Id expect them to bring in some youth to bolster the running power.
No Adams and Grundy plus Degoey still doubtful gives me confidence we have enough petrol in the tank to knock them over...
I hope so.
Reckon we can go one more round at that intensity, Pies looked tired as they have been up for a long while, Id expect them to bring in some youth to bolster the running power.
No Adams and Grundy plus Degoey still doubtful gives me confidence we have enough petrol in the tank to knock them over...
Must pay equal attention to their lesser likes as they get under your guard.
Ahh the tension as the game gets closer.... dont remember the last time I felt like that. I guess we are not irrelevant anymore.
Just dreaming what we can do with a full healthy list.
I hear you about the Daicos boys, but the one who has steamrolled us over the past couple of years is Crisp. Setters, come on down.....
At least there's no Taylor Adams - he's another one who clearly likes playing against us.
Ahh the tension as the game gets closer.... dont remember the last time I felt like that. I guess we are not irrelevant anymore.
Just dreaming what we can do with a full healthy list.
The healthy list would make wonders for us. Having Kennedy, Hewitt and another couple of players would make a huge difference. If we can complete with this current list available, imagine more choices. Add an additional quality player through a future trade. Get more work ethic out of Harry and Charlie. We could make top 4 next season if the football gods look down on us with some favours.
I hear you about the Daicos boys, but the one who has steamrolled us over the past couple of years is Crisp. Setters, come on down.....
At least there's no Taylor Adams - he's another one who clearly likes playing against us.
They all like to play against us. We need Cotters and O'Brien to stitch up their wingers. Sidebottom reserves his best for us, and Lipinksi is another that likes to play against us and has done since he was at the Bulldogs.
The other one who usually has a day out is Mihocek and Maynard.
Daicos, the younger one was tagged out of the game yesterday. The Pies didn't look nearly as dangerous without his run and carry. We simply must do the same., maybe Newens? Elliott always seems to worry us and again I am not sure who we have to play on him, he has genuine speed and always seems to take lead up marks when playing us, he must be stopped, but who?
They all like to play against us. We need Cotters and O'Brien to stitch up their wingers. Sidebottom reserves his best for us, and Lipinksi is another that likes to play against us and has done since he was at the Bulldogs.
The other one who usually has a day out is Mihocek and Maynard.
Throw in Elliott and I'll have money they pick the kid Henry who stitched us up last time. Agree on Mihocek, very old fashioned footballer who doesn't look much but competes well, has a crook hip and shouldn't have played vs the Swans.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/823453/blues-consider-surprise-return-for-defender-ahead-of-pies-showdown
https://www.afl.com.au/news/823453/blues-consider-surprise-return-for-defender-ahead-of-pies-showdown
Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I guess we are desperate.
Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I guess we are desperate.
Yes, it has "bad ending" written all over it.
Smells a bit of desperation to me, but I guess we are desperate.
Actually, to me this is more like the Carlton of old, players written off as injured and unavailable, only to make a miracle recovery!
None of us are in a position to judge, and I doubt Voss feels so desperate, if there is a hint of truth in this it's founded in what we do not know, otherwise it's just a media guess!
Watched a fair bit of the VFL game online yesterday and while the conditions didn't help, I couldn't see too many players that earned a call up. Dow got plenty of it in the first half but not really that effective. Kemp, and so many others, seem to try and take the game on and tried way too hard to overdo it and got caught holding the ball numerous times....it was hardly the conditions to be trying to play like that. Not sure who the Melbourne ruckman was but crikey, he was enourmous.
There was a passage of play against Melbourne, where McGovern grabbed it off half back, ran ten metres, and then torped it to Charlies advantage goal side which caught Melbourne in no mans land. We didnt capitalise, but thats the sort of stuff that Williams can do when in the team.
It also means that him and Saad can attack in waves, leaving Docherty to focus on more defensive duties, and his departure from the team coincided with yet another dip in output in the rest of the 22.
Given our current sub is Dow and Dow hasnt really had much of an impact, I would be comfortable for Williams to come in as a sub, because in finals, Williams is another one of those players that makes the rest better, and can turn a game on his own.
There was a passage of play against Melbourne, where McGovern grabbed it off half back, ran ten metres, and then torped it to Charlies advantage goal side which caught Melbourne in no mans land. We didnt capitalise, but thats the sort of stuff that Williams can do when in the team.
It also means that him and Saad can attack in waves, leaving Docherty to focus on more defensive duties, and his departure from the team coincided with yet another dip in output in the rest of the 22.
Given our current sub is Dow and Dow hasnt really had much of an impact, I would be comfortable for Williams to come in as a sub, because in finals, Williams is another one of those players that makes the rest better, and can turn a game on his own.
Williams can do that, and it makes me think that we want him as a replacement for someone who can do that too.....Saad.
Saad has been dragging himself through games, repeatedly limping around seemingly every week. Taken hits to the ribs which have floored him for extended times too. Maybe he won't get up this week?
Alternatively, who do we drop....Stocker?
My biggest worry is the last qtr, being, say, 3 goals up at 3 qtr time then inexperience causing us to s hit the bed. Other than that I am confident.
Problem for me with Williams is he is very loose and I wouldnt want him on anyone decent eg Elliott,.....I think Stocker seems to be the fall guy though if Williams plays as he gets dropped for seemingly no reason. I'd leave Docherty in the middle, was very good vs Melbourne imho. I'd stick with Stocker and make Williams the sub if he has to be played......
Problem for me with Williams is he is very loose and I wouldnt want him on anyone decent eg Elliott,.....I think Stocker seems to be the fall guy though if Williams plays as he gets dropped for seemingly no reason. I'd leave Docherty in the middle, was very good vs Melbourne imho. I'd stick with Stocker and make Williams the sub if he has to be played......
I see Williams and Saad as very similar game style, I think Williams has Saad covered for ball use but not necessarily for decision making. Saad can hit some targets but his run and carry is pretty predictable and good sides force him to turn onto the wrong side diminishing his influence. But Saad is much better at getting back and defending, he can close more ground than Williams, so Saad is less likely to be caught out on the turnover.
I think Williams is better when working on the inside than Saad, and Williams is a genuine midfield/traffic option despite what fans think.
Given the way our season has gone, I can see Charlie getting pipped in the Coleman in the last round. Geelong have West Coast at Kardinia Park....Cameron and Hawkins will be licking their lips at the prospect of a big bag each. West Coast, apart from a bit of rough and tough stuff early in the Derby, have put the white flag up and wouldn't surprise to see a few senior players "managed" this week too.
Given the way our season has gone, I can see Charlie getting pipped in the Coleman in the last round. Geelong have West Coast at Kardinia Park....Cameron and Hawkins will be licking their lips at the prospect of a big bag each. West Coast, apart from a bit of rough and tough stuff early in the Derby, have put the white flag up and wouldn't surprise to see a few senior players "managed" this week too.
I had that thought post game. When i saw Charlie kicked 1.4, i checked the coleman ladder and then the fixture to see who the cats were playing.
Charlie is due for a big week, he couldn't possibly need more motivation both personally and for the team. Lets hope he comes out and smashes it for everyone involved!
I had that thought post game. When i saw Charlie kicked 1.4, i checked the coleman ladder and then the fixture to see who the cats were playing.
Charlie is due for a big week, he couldn't possibly need more motivation both personally and for the team. Lets hope he comes out and smashes it for everyone involved!
Things might not evolve as fans think, do not be surprised if Scott rests a few players in the last round.
I see Williams and Saad as very similar game style, I think Williams has Saad covered for ball use but not necessarily for decision making. Saad can hit some targets but his run and carry is pretty predictable and good sides force him to turn onto the wrong side diminishing his influence. But Saad is much better at getting back and defending, he can close more ground than Williams, so Saad is less likely to be caught out on the turnover.
I think Williams is better when working on the inside than Saad, and Williams is a genuine midfield/traffic option despite what fans think.
I think Saad is one of the few complete defenders going around, most of the time he gets the balance of defending and attacking right and his disposal is a feature with his ability to find players with a hook kick or find a gap between opposing players and hit his man up a feature. He got burnt vs Adelaide and punished for letting Keays out the back but thats not the norm and its up to the coach and other players to help him out if you want his attacking ways to continue.
For me Williams is a liability with the ball at times and I'd also question his attack on the ball and ability to make decisions about when to attack, time his runs etc. When he gets it right he looks very good but I have also seen him in no mans land, caught out and miles from his opponent and not even chasing. To me he is a poor mans version of Saad and I would struggle to find a place in our best 22 for him with everyone fit..
Williams can do that, and it makes me think that we want him as a replacement for someone who can do that too.....Saad.
Saad has been dragging himself through games, repeatedly limping around seemingly every week. Taken hits to the ribs which have floored him for extended times too. Maybe he won't get up this week?
Alternatively, who do we drop....Stocker?
Spot on imo, Saad is in doubt.
Ahh the tension as the game gets closer.... dont remember the last time I felt like that. I guess we are not irrelevant anymore.
Just dreaming what we can do with a full healthy list.
After much deliberation, fark it I have decided to go on Sunday. Elimination finals start 1 week early so Ill be there.
Go Blues, down the Filth.
I had that thought post game. When i saw Charlie kicked 1.4, i checked the coleman ladder and then the fixture to see who the cats were playing.
Charlie is due for a big week, he couldn't possibly need more motivation both personally and for the team. Lets hope he comes out and smashes it for everyone involved!
Can't wait for the week that H and Charles click on the same day. Lazy 10 between them a real possibility.
I guess we trust the match committee and medical staff but massive risk bringing Williams in after so long out....especially with that injury and his history. Would wanna make sure we've got the perfect substitute in place, if there is such a thing. If he comes in, then maybe one of Stocker or Newnes go out.
If Cerra is fit, I'd be leaving out one of Owies or Motlop.....not sure we can carry all of Owies, Motlop and Durdin?
Silvagni will struggle against the height of Cox when he's rucking but back him in to do more than Cox when the ball hits the ground....that probably means TDK stays out.
I guess we trust the match committee and medical staff but massive risk bringing Williams in after so long out....especially with that injury and his history. Would wanna make sure we've got the perfect substitute in place, if there is such a thing. If he comes in, then maybe one of Stocker or Newnes go out.
If Cerra is fit, I'd be leaving out one of Owies or Motlop.....not sure we can carry all of Owies, Motlop and Durdin?
Silvagni will struggle against the height of Cox when he's rucking but back him in to do more than Cox when the ball hits the ground....that probably means TDK stays out.
100% agree on small forwards - but think Durdin is a lock of the three. Not sure what Voss and team will do this weekend but moved the board magnets around beautifully with Doc and Setters in the middle. Expect more of the same this week too.
Can’t believe anybody could be contemplating dropping Stocker to accommodate Williams who hasn’t done a thing since he arrived at Ikon. Don’t think Voss will be that silly and he’ll need to earn the right to rejoin the team through the VFL.
Stocker was excellent against the Dees and provides some much needed hardness to our side.
Can’t believe anybody could be contemplating dropping Stocker to accommodate Williams who hasn’t done a thing since he arrived at Ikon. Don’t think Voss will be that silly and he’ll need to earn the right to rejoin the team through the VFL.
Stocker was excellent against the Dees and provides some much needed hardness to our side.
That's how I see it, Stocker will exit the club if we keep dropping him without proper reason. He is one of our tougher players and we need him in the 22 imo.
Williams needs VFL games and doesn't deserve a free pass into the seniors as he doesn't have the runs on the board to be classed as an automatic selection.
If one were to take a risk and given the high stakes for the Blues, Williams over Stocker everyday of the week. One is good ordinary footballer the other an elite when he’s on song, received a huge contract , if he’s fit to play longer than half a game Williams will be selected.
No way. Williams is an over paid, over hyped injury prone player who needs to dominate in the twos before getting a run. Played about two decent games for us. Put up or pi.. Off.
Stocker 100% for the pies.
If Zac is fit I would play him, we need more run and better delivery going forward.
Zac should play if fit. Has been disappointing first two seasons with us but is a gun player. I think Weits, Young and Gov are enough talls need more ground ball players - Marchy is off the boil with his marking and defending and would replace him with Zac.
If Zac is fit I would play him, we need more run and better delivery going forward.
He's is iffy when fit let alone coming back from a long lay off. No thanks.
Let's just hope if this is happening it's under the old Carlton ways, keeping a lid on player progress and catching the opposition off-guard!
Can’t believe anybody could be contemplating dropping Stocker to accommodate Williams who hasn’t done a thing since he arrived at Ikon. Don’t think Voss will be that silly and he’ll need to earn the right to rejoin the team through the VFL.
Stocker was excellent against the Dees and provides some much needed hardness to our side.
FWIW, i was probably the first to throw Stockers name up, but i was doing it based off how the MC would do it, rather than my own preference.
Stocker seems to be the last one in, and first one out.
If you are going to push for Williams (which seems to be the rumblings) then someone makes way.....who would the MC drop if it wasn't stocker?
Don't worry, there will be an injury to create a slot.
I'd be evaluating Motlop and wait he brings, what his role is etc. We might need more pace and flexibility.
Maybe if Stocker had a ridiculous contract
like Williams he wouldn't get dropped so often.Even McGovern and Martin had to do some time in the twos to get some fitness before returning, I just don't see what's so special about Williams he gets an automatic spot in the 22.
Maybe if Stocker had a ridiculous contract
like Williams he wouldn't get dropped so often.Even McGovern and Martin had to do some time in the twos to get some fitness before returning, I just don't see what's so special about Williams he gets an automatic spot in the 22.
Williams? Just too big a risk. The heat there will be in next Sunday's game would be a bridge too far for a bloke lacking match fitness.
Still unclear why Cerra missed
He's is iffy when fit let alone coming back from a long lay off. No thanks.
I would take the gamble because I don't think we can beat Collingwood.
Don’t think Scott will give 2 sh1ts about the Coleman and would not want to risk Hawkins especially now that Cameron is at a real risk to miss the first final.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Hawkins is a late out.
Their whole campaign would be in the bin if Hawkins is injured in what is a nothing game for them.
At least it means Charlie is almost a lock for the Coleman.....he'd only really need to kick one or two leaving Hawkins or Lynch to kick about 9 each.
And for me, Stocker stays in this week. I was at the game against the Pies early in the season and saw the work he did off the ball to Ginnivan. I know Ginnivan isn't playing this week but they have a raft of those small/medium forward types and we need someone who can play a lockdown role....not sure Williams has ever been able to do that? Hopefully if Cerra is back, Doc can move back as well....and either of Stocker or Doc have shown they can have a run through the midfield.
If Cerra is fit, then in for Motlop.
Still unclear why Cerra missed
Groin tightness when warming up before the game.
Groin tightness when warming up before the game.
And during the week at training, didnt go away before the match hence missed.
And during the week at training, didnt go away before the match hence missed.
I'd heard it was an abductor strain, if that is the case he would be unlikely this week as well. You can generally run OK in a straight line, but changing direction can be Titanic like!
...and hurts like hell when you change direction. Missed two years of footy with it, if it's torn that's the season.
...and hurts like hell when you change direction. Missed two years of footy with it, if it's torn that's the season.
Also ended my cricket career, couldn't bowl with any power / pace anymore, wasn't able to run fast between the wickets, in the end I just gave up as too old too slow!
Professionals can get surgery, but that means you are out for months, so they always take recovery slowly as the lesser of two evils.
PS: Also affected my golf swing, lost 30m to 50m in driving length.
Pretty much any action that starts or ends with some sort of tilt or pivot is b0rked!
Just one correction: it’s an adductor rather than an abductor.
I strained one while trying to bowl fast as a fill-in in a friend’s team when I had neither the preparation or youth to make it work.
I stopped bowling but even running after the ball was painful. It made me feel like I was going to throw up.
Just one correction: it’s an adductor rather than an abductor.
I'm always confused about which one is which, but I know it can feck you right up!
The written medical spellings are always a mystery, I know one is front and the other is back, and it gets even worse when spoken in various accents and timbres.
Williams? Just too big a risk. The heat there will be in next Sunday's game would be a bridge too far for a bloke lacking match fitness.
Quite agree Mr B, will be well short of a run and given history just as likely to limp off.
On the other hand Stocker should be better for the run last week. Like many, I think Liam is part of our future.
The player who worried me last week was our ruckman. Good work horse at throw wins, but seemed well behind the speed of the game if the ball was in dispute or in his hands. Hope we play big Tom as 2nd ruck.
cheers Ab
shouldn't laugh at my own mistakes, but........."Good work horse at throw wins". ;D
Oh dear..
Ab
shouldn't laugh at my own mistakes, but........."Good work horse at throw wins". ;D
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Ab
The 'quick edit' button is a useful tool ;D
Saved me a few times. ;)
thank you for the tip Lods
:)
Ab
Not only the typos, but getting older the usual phone screen gets smaller and smaller, the buttons are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger, and my arms are getting shorter and shorter, it's bad enough trying to get the phone typing correct, even harder when you can barely see what you type at arms length! :o ;D
Quick Edit to the rescue, usually only takes four or five goezz!
All tickets sold out. 80k+ crowd.. whooooooo...
Kiss arrived in town this morning.
Gene Simmons said he might catchn up with his Blues on the weekend.
As I remember he once said he bought the team for a day as a tax dodge.
I'm pretty sure Carlton denied it.
https://www.gettyimages.com.au/photos/gene-simmons-visits-carlton-blues-training-session
Word is Hewitt trained with the main group and looked good and same with Williams.
Cerra run laps and was then with the rehab group.
Didn’t hear about Saad which is good as I was worried about him after last week.
Word is Hewitt trained with the main group and looked good and same with Williams.
Cerra run laps and was then with the rehab group.
Didn’t hear about Saad which is good as I was worried about him after last week.
AFL app says Hewitt trained, but would only be available for finals, and club is confident Cerra will play....
I have to wonder if Newman is closer to a return than publicised as well.
The more rumours the better, keep the Filth confused!
Would you make changes on the back of last week?
Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.
Would you make changes on the back of last week?
Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.
I think if fit Cerra will 100% come in. As to who for i guess it will be out of Stocker, LOB or Setterfield. Personally I would keep Stocker in and because of a bigger body of work I would pick LOB over Setterfield even thought he was probably better then LOB based on last week alone.
The other one is Williams but this one seems a much bigger risk. Still if he is fit i would play him for Stocker but this one makes me a little nervous cause we dont want another early sub activation because this game will be very hot especially early on.
Everyone played about as well as could be expected, and I wouldnt be upsetting the applecart overly.
True, but I've mentioned before I think that level of intensity in that style game is not really sustainable, and we've yet to demonstrate a reliable implementation of tempo control. This is where the Handbaggers have an edge, to some degree the Dees get away with it because of list depth in certain positions, much like Nthmond did with it's glory run of injury free seasons.
A few times we have played a good portion of the game in that style, whether it was a win or loss, we've been smashed the following week. It's a game style and intensity that comes at a cost.
Voss played like that, week in and week out, but he was extraordinary player so it's hard to see a wider list meeting that same level of expectation.
Have a look at the Filth's last two weeks, defeated Melbourne in a close game fought to the death, got smashed by the Swans the week after.
So would I bring in some fresh legs if they are available, quite possibly, but they better be ready for finals level intensity. There will be no cruising back into the flow or tempo of play this week!
Did you think our small forwards somewhat disorganised last week, particularly earlier in the game? They were competing well, but several times three or more were fighting for the ball and getting in one another's way.
Perhaps we need to go with one less small forward.
cheers Ab
Did you think our small forwards somewhat disorganised last week, particularly earlier in the game? They were competing well, but several times three or more were fighting for the ball and getting in one another's way.
Perhaps we need to go with one less small forward.
cheers Ab
I think having a contiguous run of games is everything, it's wrong for fans to think players can manage their way through an AFL game, the decisions and actions have to be instinctive. There is no time to think and even less time to communicate.
For example, I can understand why the club seemingly brought Pitto back early, he needed that run, perhaps also McGovern a week early but he had an impact immediately.
The problem is losing last week means this week isn't a game we can afford to be running somebody into form. It would have been nice to win last week, and give guys like Cerra, Newman, Hewett and low pressure run before finals, but it didn't eventuate.
If the Dogs happen to lose or look like they are about to lose on Sunday afternoon, in the game before ours, do not be at all surprised to see a host of late changes.
I think if fit Cerra will 100% come in. As to who for i guess it will be out of Stocker, LOB or Setterfield. Personally I would keep Stocker in and because of a bigger body of work I would pick LOB over Setterfield even thought he was probably better then LOB based on last week alone.
The other one is Williams but this one seems a much bigger risk. Still if he is fit i would play him for Stocker but this one makes me a little nervous cause we dont want another early sub activation because this game will be very hot especially early on.
Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
Only place I would be shuffling the magnets for next week:
Dow dropped.
Cerra/williams sub. We drop someone who hasnt really set the world on fire, and have a potential game changer in the sub instead.
Newnes is my next weakest link. He has developed the fumbles this year and its costing us in contested situations.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
Could we give Motlop a rest this week, and play Williams or Stocker as defensive forwards?
I think if Williams comes in, it's probably going to be at the expense of LoB or Newnes, I don't get why fans always discuss Stocker in this regard. As much as I like LoB's run, tackling pressure probably means more against the Filth than covering the ground, we can't have a guy like Sidebottom free-wheeling again.
Dow dropped.
Tough on Dow, but it's probably in the waters.
Collingwood play a good contested pressure game where they make up for a lack of talent with extra effort and hard running. I dont fancy a player like Williams who is suspect in those areas coming in cold with no match fitness. He has Achilles issues and wasnt known for his endurance at GWS and imho the sub role would suit him better where if he did have to come on it would more likely be a short burst rather than having to run out a full game vs opposition who are going to be going hard for 100mins.
I just dont understand why Stocker is the player most likely to be left out and see more upside in him than Williams and would want him getting the big game experience for the future.
I like stocker I rate him ae a young player who could be a 200 game player for us but he has limitation's at the moment. I watched him very closely last week and while his first efforts are great if a passage of play requires repeat efforts he just can’t do it and his player rans off him and it happened several times on Saturday especially early in the game which tell you even more. Bradshaw burned him off many times and would take the ball with stocker on his tail and then get a 1-2 handball back and stocker was 5 metres behind and it wasn’t for stockers lack of effort it’s his fitness base and tank it’s just not there atm. People saying he should play midfield are kidding themself. He is a tough nut goes in without fear which I love but against the Pies who as you rightly say ran harder then most do he will be found out again and we can’t afford to give those pr1cks any easy transition of the ball.
I like stocker I rate him ae a young player who could be a 200 game player for us but he has limitation's at the moment. I watched him very closely last week and while his first efforts are great if a passage of play requires repeat efforts he just can’t do it and his player rans off him and it happened several times on Saturday especially early in the game which tell you even more.
Yeah, but he is not on his Pat Malone in this regard, again I repeat this, some of what happens on the D50 end of the ground is a consequence of structures and selections at the F50 end. Fans want us picking young Motlop, but his selection comes at a cost, he is way off being a deep runner like Durdin or Owies, and it only takes one to make the outnumbered scenario happen.
You play the "keepings off" game, it's like giving the opposition an on field YoYo test, then the moment you detect someone in the the opposition dropping off you all press forward and will have an extra number, it makes you almost impossible to stop. What fans see when opponents do this to us is someone like a Plowman or Newman being outnumbered at the other end of the ground, and they pay out on the poor bastard for failing to better 2 or 3 opponents, or for not being able to plug all the gaps.
In this regard I'm not sure we can have Motlop, SoJ and Martin all F50 and still find a winning formula. The problem isn't Durdin and Owies, they are mobile enough and fast enough to keep up with and even get ahead of play.
btw., I'm not anti-Motlop, it's just he has got a lot to learn and a long way to go. Owies is way ahead of both Durdin and Motlop, structurally he manages himself around the ground much much better than the others, even if he lacks the same level of raw talent. Owies won't b0rk up our own open space, drag opponents to the contest or fly against Charlie and BigH, and he runs as strongly as defensively as any player on the ground. Owies is not as good at crumbing, but he will always work hard both ways, he understands team sport.
Durdin is a good runner, but he is not as effect defensively as Owies, I'd say Durdin is the best purely attacking SF we have at the moment.
Motlop has all the tricks, but he is not fast and he might not get to where he is needed, or he gets in the way. He is miles off being a deep defensive runner, it is not natural for him to chase when he is not near goal, he tends to stop momentarily and at that time he can no longer close the gap. But he is just a kid, so you cut him some slack, but the question is can you afford to carry him when things aren't going your way?
Go back and watch Pickett from last weekend, in one moment he's tackling on the Dee's HBF, then seconds later he is crumbing in the FP. That is what AFL is all about.
coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.
coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.
They couldn't find space on that primary school ground they played on last week. Expect the side that beat Melbourne the week before to turn up.
coll lack of talent is so way off the mark ,daicos by 2,cripps,maynard,sidey,pendles,crisp,maynard 8 top players there,just hope they have a bad game sunday ,we need to bring pressure and tackling to another level.
Sidebottom and Pendlebury are still handy but probably only have another year, Cripps plays for us(i know typo on your part ;)) , Maynard is a very good player, Crisp is also very good but without Grundy and Adams I think they run a bit thin for real class with the exception of the Daicos kids who are chips off the old block(Peter) and the Pies got very lucky that both brothers appear class acts with 200 games plus ahead of them each.
I just think we run a bit deeper talent wise as do a lot of the other top teams compared to the Pies but Macrae has made up the difference with his ability to inspire a non stop work ethic and they dont give in easy.
If we match their effort then we win imho..........
The thing that the wobbles have over everyone at the moment is a very even contribution from all players. They don't play a taxing style overly reliant on good players which is the hallmark of a good style and system.
McRae reckons Ginnivan and De Goey will be named.
McRae reckons Ginnivan and De Goey will be named.
They are about the same chance of playing as if you and me got named for Carlton imho.....my tip is they will rest DeGoey for the finals, if it was a final then he would play. Ginnivan probably needs a week or two out of the headlines and the cameras, he has had more exposure than Britney Spears of late and his football/nous on and off the field has mirrored her IQ.
They are about the same chance of playing as if you and me got named for Carlton imho.....my tip is they will rest DeGoey for the finals, if it was a final then he would play. Ginnivan probably needs a week or two out of the headlines and the cameras, he has had more exposure than Britney Spears of late and his football/nous on and off the field has mirrored her IQ.
FMD, a reinjury / worsening could be season over for Ginnivan in what is a means nothing game for the filth!
FMD, a reinjury / worsening could be season over for Ginnivan in what is a means nothing game for the filth!
Bit of theatre those selections if they happen imo, Pies coach doesnt seem that excited about this week, I wouldnt be surprised if they play a few kids, regroup after losing last round and have their eye on the bigger picture. Winning a final is probably a bigger deal than beating the old enemy and they looked real tired vs the Swans, cant see them having the hunger like we have.
FMD, a reinjury / worsening could be season over for Ginnivan in what is a means nothing game for the filth!
They can still make top 4 if they win but % hurts them, Melb and BL would need to draw..
Dear MC
Stocker plays!
Cerra, TDK and Williams plays
B: Williams Young McGovern
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Cottrell Cripps Obrien
HF: Martin McKay Fisher
F: Durdin Curnow Silvagni
R: Pittonet Cerra Walsh
E: Owies TDK Stocker Setterfield
Out: Motlop, Newnes, Marchbank
Last week , both teams played very demanding games ,both psychologically and physically and lost.
So reckon it will come down to coaching ,game plan , personal availability and manner in which they execute their roles.
It will be a dure and frenetically paced game for few quarters then the dust settles, a direction will emerge and history will written, in the end.
So excited and thrilled about this Pies clash.
Go Blues do us proud.
Without being toooo dramatic about it, given where we've been, where we hope to go, the consequences of this match and the opposition we are playing........is this our most important game this century????
Without being toooo dramatic about it, given where we've been, where we hope to go, the consequences of this match and the opposition we are playing........is this our most important game this century????
I reckon beating the bombers and tigers in a final were more important.
The following weeks against interstate sides, less so. Same as the other finals we've lost interstate.
We did play in a prelim against the all conquering 2000 bombers.
otherwise, yes.
Sneaking into the 8 would be of some symbolic value but would we be a credible premiership contender? We hardly have the momentum of the Doggies in 2016. And Essendon is testament to the fact that making the 8 can create a “job done” mentality the following year.
Sneaking into the 8 would be of some symbolic value but would we be a credible premiership contender? We hardly have the momentum of the Doggies in 2016. And Essendon is testament to the fact that making the 8 can create a “job done” mentality the following year.
The dogs sort of limped their way to the bye in 2016. They needed the week off more than anyone and then went bang in the finals.
We are capable of doing it, but havent really shown that sort of form. We are starting to show signs of being able to play 4 quarters of decent footy which is my only real concern for this season.
Sneaking into the 8 would be of some symbolic value but would we be a credible premiership contender? We hardly have the momentum of the Doggies in 2016. And Essendon is testament to the fact that making the 8 can create a “job done” mentality the following year.
If we play finals interstate then we are next to no chance unless something changes as our interstate form is quite poor. If we play in Melbourne we are a great chance against anyone really. Hewett trained yesterday and moved well and will play next week - same goes for Newy.
If we play finals interstate then we are next to no chance unless something changes as our interstate form is quite poor. If we play in Melbourne we are a great chance against anyone really. Hewett trained yesterday and moved well and will play next week - same goes for Newy.
To me, this week is a big challenge. If we win and make the 8, it all starts again and I believe with healthy mix of some youthful exuberance and free spirited play, we can do some damage irrespective of where the game is played or who the opponent is. Let me tell you, Doc, Crippa and SOS will be on a mission and I pity who gets in their way.
I saw training pics and was heartened to see George up and about. IF he was to come in in week 1 of finals, we would almost have our best side to pick from. As I said, the hurdle is this week, Go Blues.
To me, this week is a big challenge. If we win and make the 8, it all starts again and I believe with healthy mix of some youthful exuberance and free spirited play, we can do some damage irrespective of where the game is played or who the opponent is. Let me tell you, Doc, Crippa and SOS will be on a mission and I pity who gets in their way.
I saw training pics and was heartened to see George up and about. IF he was to come in in week 1 of finals, we would almost have our best side to pick from. As I said, the hurdle is this week, Go Blues.
I think we can win this week but we will have probably have used up our petrol tickets for the finals...maybe an elimination final win would be as good as it gets imo. Like Pinot suggested you dont want to be playing the interstate teams on their home decks and Id like a Melbourne final if the cards fall our way.
Like I have said previously I think Collingwood are ready for a thumping and I expect an early tko and to be well in front at half time....cant wait to see Eddies sulky face as they camera pan to him in the crowd.
I think we can win this week but we will have probably have used up our petrol tickets for the finals...maybe an elimination final win would be as good as it gets imo. Like Pinot suggested you dont want to be playing the interstate teams on their home decks and Id like a Melbourne final if the cards fall our way.
Like I have said previously I think Collingwood are ready for a thumping and I expect an early tko and to be well in front at half time....cant wait to see Eddies sulky face as they camera pan to him in the crowd.
Ill take anyone, anywhere, anytime week 1 of finals.
I'm dreading going this week. Can you imagine the Collingwood fans if they beat us?
Not sure we will beat the Pies considering they will be after atonement after last week's winning streak coming to an end.
I'd expect our players to be smarting after having that one pinched from us last week but I have to wonder how much that loss knocked them about psychologically. Added to that, our players were under the media microscope all week until the Rutten/Clarkson show premiered.
I'm not convinced the Dogs will get over the Hawks either and if they do, it may only be by a small margin so it is not out of the question for our guys to lose this week and still limp into 8th position.
Winning and finishing 7th or 8th by our own hand and then being booted out in Week 1 of the finals VS getting rolled this week and not making it at all is something of a nil-all draw IMO.
Regardless of how it plays out, we have definitely improved this year and I expect an even better showing in 2023.
Pies were a bit sick last week, and i doubt they'd be fully fit this week.
That could be all the 'in' we need, given all the injuries we had, it may get us back to somewhat of an even level.
We need good users of the ball in the guts this week.
We have the forwards to put the game beyond doubt, it just depends on the quality of entry they get.
Doesn't have to be much, just has to be good
I'm dreading going this week. Can you imagine the Collingwood fans if they beat us?
I felt the same, my stomach churned for weeks just thinking about it. But on Monday morning I thought "F-it".
Imagine if we win! Worth being there I reckon, Ill give em hell. If we lose, I'll still stay until the end, clap them off, cop the flack and walk out head held high.
Cerra Hewitt Williams TDK all named in 26 man squad
Cerra named in the starting 18
We have the forwards to put the game beyond doubt, it just depends on the quality of entry they get.
Doesn't have to be much, just has to be good
Yep agree. If we butcher the ball going inside 50 it will play straight into Moore and Howes hands. Have to make those 2 fully accountable and that only happens if their opponent is hitting the scoreboard.
Cerra Hewitt Williams TDK all named in 26 man squad
Cerra named in the starting 18
Suspect a few ducks and drakes from us... Hewett was not expected to be available for the remainder of the H & A season.
Guessing our IC for a Sunday game on a Thursday is always a cr@p shoot... but... Setters, LOB, Motlop & Newnes... Williams medi-sub would be my guess, but I wouldn't bet 10c on it, let alone anything more ;D
Yep agree. If we butcher the ball going inside 50 it will play straight into Moore and Howes hands. Have to make those 2 fully accountable and that only happens if their opponent is hitting the scoreboard.
The Fluffy Ducks were really efficient with their forward 50 entries against the Dagpies... and their forward 50 pressure/tackling was manic, just didn't let the Dagpies launch any attacks from defense.
Pick 4 and a sub from that.....assuming Cerra does take his place in the side as he is named in the guts.
[6] Zac Williams,
[29] George Hewett,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[3] Jesse Motlop,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[32] Jack Newnes
For mine....
Lob, Newnes, Motlop, Williams with Stocker the sub.
I don't think Hewitt will be fit, i think TDK will make us too tall.
I don't think Setterfield has the urgency required for a finals like intensity. The other blokes have more agro and presence at the contest which we will need vs the pies.
Pick 4 and a sub from that.....assuming Cerra does take his place in the side as he is named in the guts.
[6] Zac Williams,
[29] George Hewett,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[3] Jesse Motlop,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[32] Jack Newnes
For mine....
Lob, Newnes, Motlop, Williams with Stocker the sub.
I don't think Hewitt will be fit, i think TDK will make us too tall.
I don't think Setterfield has the urgency required for a finals like intensity. The other blokes have more agro and presence at the contest which we will need vs the pies.
I wouldn't include Williams as being overly intense or reliable at chasing etc but I agree he will play. I think Setterfield, TDK and LOB will be the other bench warmers.
My preference as I have stated a few times is Stocker over Williams but I wouldn't be surprised if Stocker ends up on the trade table if he is dropped again, I hope that's not the case but I can't see him staying if he is continually in and out the team...
Match fitness is going to be a big issue for alot of these lads. With Kennedy out - Setters is in.
A lot of good players in VFL that expect to play AFL constantly Harmes . Tomlison, Bowey, Weideman all played from Melbourne VFL. Stock is in the same type of company and think he will be offered a contract. If he is to leave only Adelaide and West Coast have very average midfields where he is a guaranteed starter and unlikely he will move interstate. He will still get plenty of games with us and the club has developed his flexibility.
I'm dreading going this week. Can you imagine the Collingwood fans if they beat us?
My daughter in law, who is a lovely young lady, invited me to watch the game with her in the MCC members. The only problem with that is that she is a fanatical Collingwood supporter.
We really must win, nothing else is acceptable!
PS My son will sit between me and his wife 🙂
I wouldn't include Williams as being overly intense or reliable at chasing etc but I agree he will play. I think Setterfield, TDK and LOB will be the other bench warmers.
My preference as I have stated a few times is Stocker over Williams but I wouldn't be surprised if Stocker ends up on the trade table if he is dropped again, I hope that's not the case but I can't see him staying if he is continually in and out the team...
Williams isn't overly intense, but he is in competition with Mr Valium himself, Setterfield.
For mine, Williams plays back, Doc spends more time in the middle swapping both in bursts.
Williams isn't overly intense, but he is in competition with Mr Valium himself, Setterfield.
For mine, Williams plays back, Doc spends more time in the middle swapping both in bursts.
Think you are right with Williams down back and Doc in the middle and some swapping. I would play Williams on a less dangerous player not someone like Elliott..
Think you are right with Williams down back and Doc in the middle and some swapping. I would play Williams on a less dangerous player not someone like Elliott..
Yep.
With Saad and Williams both down back it gives us a double pronged running quarterback/deliverer type which allows us to use Saad as a lockdown when required, say for Elliott, and means that 'No Saad, No Carlton' is not so true as Williams fills that role.
Docherty is brilliant off the half back and love his booming kick, but as far as a pure runner/evasive style....thats not really his go, more so Williams.
It also allows us to toughen up the midfield missing a couple blocks in there as Docherty goes as hard as anyone.
Surely this is all ducks and drakes stuff. Hewitt can't be fit, Cerra must be questionable and I don't trust Williams. If he plays and burns us I'd never forgive him.
This is going to be a fast, hard running game, you'd want to be seriously fit and show up 100% to chase and harass the ball carrier.
I think the most important question is who you going to ruck? We can't carry two rucks.
I don't like the defensive balance and I'd certainly play Stocker to give us a mobile defensive option or midfield rotation. I'd have considered Dow as a running option for the Daicos boys but I doubt he's ever done anything defensive in his career, so that would rule him out as well. I don't think there's a place for Motlop either this week.
I think the most important question is who you going to ruck? We can't carry two rucks.
We can and should run with two rucks, but not with all the other talls playing, the room is full of elephants.
Possibly the best team on paper that we’ve fielded this year - let’s hope that they’re fit and durable on the day🙏
Pick 4 and a sub from that.....assuming Cerra does take his place in the side as he is named in the guts.
[6] Zac Williams,
[29] George Hewett,
[12] Tom De Koning,
[43] Will Setterfield,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[3] Jesse Motlop,
[4] Lochie O'Brien,
[32] Jack Newnes
For mine....
Lob, Newnes, Motlop, Williams with Stocker the sub.
I don't think Hewitt will be fit, i think TDK will make us too tall.
I don't think Setterfield has the urgency required for a finals like intensity. The other blokes have more agro and presence at the contest which we will need vs the pies.
Out: Newnes LOB
IN: Williams Cerra
EMG: Hewitt, TDK, Newnes, LOB.
Acres in, LOB out on the back of that selection, don't agree on him being dropped but glad to see Stocker still in.
Good to see Collingwood taking the game seriously by picking Ginnivan and a kid Macrae in his second game for the season.
Reckon Degoey won't play either...
Would have liked to retain LOB for his hard running and good disposal.
Likewise feel TDK gives more flexibility with his marking around the ground and work when the ball hits the ground.
cheers Ab
Acres in, LOB out on the back of that selection, don't agree on him being dropped but glad to see Stocker still in.
Good to see Collingwood taking the game seriously by picking Ginnivan and a kid Macrae in his second game for the season.
Reckon Degoey won't play either...
This has been O’Brien’s best season by far but he’s still a fringe player. He has dropped off in his last few games and the errors that marred his game in the past have returned.
That’s the thing about having some depth; players who don’t perform get to hone their skills in the magoos.
Stocker’s probably lucky to keep his spot but he should be better for the run last week. He might unsettle a few of the Collingwood forwards; Mihocek and Ginnivan could hear footsteps.
TDK very unlucky
Marchy very lucky - his timing has been off. Hopefully it comes together for him but see him as a liability
LOB - has good run and skills but doesn't crack in hard enough for mine and makes too many errors.
Not sure on the merits on fielding four key defenders against four med/small forwards hope we don't live to regret it.
TDK very unlucky
Marchy very lucky - his timing has been off. Hopefully it comes together for him but see him as a liability
LOB - has good run and skills but doesn't crack in hard enough for mine and makes too many errors.
Not sure on the merits on fielding four key defenders against four med/small forwards hope we don't live to regret it.
Marchbank and mcgovern aren't key position players
Cripps is taller than both of them.
Marchbank and mcgovern aren't key position players
Cripps is taller than both of them.
Ok if you say so,
TDK very unlucky
Marchy very lucky - his timing has been off. Hopefully it comes together for him but see him as a liability
LOB - has good run and skills but doesn't crack in hard enough for mine and makes too many errors.
Not sure on the merits on fielding four key defenders against four med/small forwards hope we don't live to regret it.
Four key defenders?
We have two; Weitering and Young, who match up quite well against Mihocek and Cameron/Cox.
McGovern and Marchbank are intercept defenders who can also stand smaller opponents. They are good match ups for Johnson and McCreery.
Four key defenders?
We have two; Weitering and Young, who match up quite well against Mihocek and Cameron/Cox.
McGovern and Marchbank are intercept defenders who can also stand smaller opponents. They are good match ups for Johnson and McCreery.
Sorry - but don't agree they are intercept defenders but think it's a little unfair to expect them to have the leg speed and ground ball skills of their opponents. If they kick it long we have it covered ground ball gets depend on too few and the balance looks messy
Mitch mcgovern is listed at 191 cm.
Will Setterfield 192.
Cripps 195.
High marking doesn't equal a key position player.
Sorry - but don't agree they are intercept defenders but think it's a little unfair to expect them to have the leg speed and ground ball skills of their opponents. If they kick it long we have it covered ground ball gets depend on too few and the balance looks messy
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.
Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.
The game is less about one on one contests now and more about team defence.
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.
Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.
The game is less about one on one contests now and more about team defence.
Agree....with Melbourne its actually Petty who does all the monkey work defense and Lever and May who do the intercept up the ground stuff It is more and more about covering your teammates man while he is covering someone elses man while the intercept defenders are doing their thing and it requires team defense and understanding the game tactically.
I see Weitering and Young as true KP defenders and Marchbank/McGovern as the intercept defenders.....you wouldnt be expecting the latter two to be picking up Lynch, Dixon, Hawkins etc who I would describe as Power KP Forwards given their size and strength.
The extra cm and kegs do make a big difference....
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.
Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.
The game is less about one on one contests now and more about team defence.
They have three tall defenders = Lever, Petty and May and thats all you need. We are going into this game with four - that looks to me top heavy and having all four on the ground at the same time will have me very worried.
I don't agree that setterfield has great lookaway handballing skills etc.
Is Jake lever a key defender?
Almost all would say he is an intercept defender. Yet he is an inch taller than our guys.
The game is less about one on one contests now and more about team defence.
Well I don't agree that LOB is a good player etc and will likely get delisted.
Well I don't agree that LOB is a good player etc and will likely get delisted.
Papers are reporting he has been offered a 2 year deal by us.
Papers are reporting he has been offered a 2 year deal by us.
Good on him if true - still need a winger though.
Sorry - but don't agree they are intercept defenders but think it's a little unfair to expect them to have the leg speed and ground ball skills of their opponents. If they kick it long we have it covered ground ball gets depend on too few and the balance looks messy
As named, the matchups will be:
Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg
Not a lot of difference really.
Good on him if true - still need a winger though.
Cottrell smashed the best wingman in the comp last week.
As named, the matchups will be:
Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg
Not a lot of difference really.
At 76kg, Saad is little whippet isn't he? Courageous as all get out though.
As named, the matchups will be:
Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg
Not a lot of difference really.
Dillon Grimes is 193cm tall and has played on and got the better of Eddie Betts and Charlie Curnow.
As named, the matchups will be:
Docherty 185cm 85kg - Elliott 178cm 79kg
Young 201cm 100kg - Cameron 204cm 101kg
McGovern 191cm 89kg - De Goey 188cm 92kg
Marchbank 193cm 94kg - Johnson 193cm 85kg
Weitering 196cm 101kg - Mihocek 192cm 97kg
Saad 178cm 76kg - J Daicos 178cm 77kg
Stocker 184cm 85kg - Ginnivan 184cm 78kg
Not a lot of difference really.
McGovern on Degoey looks like a really poor match up. McGovern is a good talent but expect a bit much from him to play on Degoey - he will have a field day when the ball hits the deck. Everything ese looks alright, I guess.
They have three tall defenders = Lever, Petty and May and thats all you need. We are going into this game with four - that looks to me top heavy and having all four on the ground at the same time will have me very worried.
Lever might be a 'tall' defender, but he is not a key defender.
He doesn't play on big blokes.
Height doesn't mean you can/will/do play on best key forwards.
2 of those tall defenders you talk about are the same size as most of our midfielders
Have a silhouette of cripps, setterfield, McGovern and marchbank and pick which 2 are mids and which 2 are 'key' defenders. There's nothing between them.
....because they are not key defenders.
McGovern on Degoey looks like a really poor match up. McGovern is a good talent but expect a bit much from him to play on Degoey - he will have a field day when the ball hits the deck. Everything ese looks alright, I guess.
I don't think Degoey will play, McGovern has a bit of speed for a taller player and is a better bet than Plowman who usually gets the job. DeGoey is an awkward matchup for sure and will require some team defending if he plays forward.
The Pies forwards are an interesting bunch given they are all very different.They have a very blue collar look to them compared to our more classy traditional big name lineup.
A lot we could learn from how the Go Ds went inside 50 last night. Key word, efficiency. At most stages the inside 50s for both clubs were neck and neck, yet the Go Ds were 10gls up.
Does the dees flogging the bears do anything for us, IE knock the pies out of a double chance?
Does the dees flogging the bears do anything for us, IE knock the pies out of a double chance?
Nothing.
Dees and Lions were basically on a par. So either result means the same for the Pies.
Pies win, they are top 4.
Pies lose, they are not.
Most likely result from here is 5th and 6th spot will be held by either Lions, Dockers, or Swans.....depending on the results.
So if we make finals, 95% chance we are travelling interstate week 1 unless an underdog gets up (ess over tigers, saints over swans, gws over dockers......all unlikely)
Most likely result from here is 5th and 6th spot will be held by either Lions, Dockers, or Swans.....depending on the results.
So if we make finals, 95% chance we are travelling interstate week 1 unless an underdog gets up (ess over tigers, saints over swans, gws over dockers......all unlikely)
While the home ground crowd still heavily influences umpires, I think the bye has greatly reduced the travel impact of the interstate final.
If the Giants win (they have started well) and we win we will play Collingwood again.
Imagine stopping Collingwood from getting the double chance and then knocking them out first week. Bigger than 99.
If Richmond win and we make the finals looks like its Brisbane at Brisbane - yuck.
Hope we play better than we did last time at Brisbane. Can't for the life of me barrack for the scum against Richmond so whatever.
Last final was in Sydney >:(
The one before .... can't remember
I've kind of made peace with the result either way.
Win, lose or draw (that'd still be a good result ;) ), as long as they bring effort this afternoon I'm happy with the season.
Should we lose, we were obviously not ready, and it's doubtful we'd have lasted deep into the finals anyway.
"But the finals experience would be invaluable. You just don't get that in regular round games" some might say.
Seriously ::) :)
Final round of the year, no 'next time' for us if we lose
A huge build up
A packed MCG
Fanatical supporters
Two teams with everything to play for...
Do folks really think that because a game in two weeks time has 'finals' written alongside it that it can match what's going to happen this afternoon.
The only games that will come close are the final two weeks of the season. ;)
I just hope the boys haven't played this game in their minds all week.
We absolutely MUST get off to a great start.
I've kind of made peace with the result either way.
Win, lose or draw (that'd still be a good result ;) ), as long as they bring effort this afternoon I'm happy with the season.
Should we lose, we were obviously not ready, and it's doubtful we'd have lasted deep into the finals anyway.
"But the finals experience would be invaluable. You just don't get that in regular round games" some might say.
Seriously ::) :)
Final round of the year, no 'next time' for us if we lose
A huge build up
A packed MCG
Fanatical supporters
Two teams with everything to play for...
Do folks really think that because a game in two weeks time has 'finals' written alongside it that it can match what's going to happen this afternoon.
The only games that will come close are the final two weeks of the season. ;)
We haven't been in this position since 2013 when we knocked off Port to play finals.
Our team was on the slide then and we didn't really know it.
I've kind of made peace with the result either way.
Win, lose or draw (that'd still be a good result ;) ), as long as they bring effort this afternoon I'm happy with the season.
Ahhh, the dread, will you be watching?
Feels like Grand Final day from another era.
Will be in front of the box with beers and chips and get to watch the blues play in the twos followed by the big match.
Exciting day ahead. Go blues....
I expect to win , been a wasted season otherwise. Won't be happy finishing ninth given the talent we have assembled on paper and the start to the season we had.
Ahhh, the dread, will you be watching?
Absolutely
I've got me Great Northern Zero (Fkn Kidneys >:( ), Dip and Bikkies...and I'm ready to go. :D
Sunday Footy show at 10.00 am
Reserves at 11.45 am
Main Game at 3.20 pm
Outside of COVID restrictions, this is the first Carlton / Collingwood game I won't be going to in several years, and I'm missing the reserves as well! :(
Rumour Walsh will miss
Rumour Walsh will miss
I reckopn there's been a little bit of game playing and it wouldn't surprise to see late changes for both sides.
Foot injury. Explains why his kicking was shocking last week.
I reckopn there's been a little bit of game playing and it wouldn't surprise to see late changes for both sides.
Especially if the earlier Bulldogs game goes a particular way.
Hopefully Ben McCoy's retirement will give the Hawks some extra incentive to get the win.
Hopefully Ben McCoy's retirement will give the Hawks some extra incentive to get the win.
Apparantly all the exit interviews at the hawks has already happened.
They've checked out. Dogs have more to play for.
Last year Blues got up over the pies on my birthday.
This year Blues got done by pies on my mates birthday (pies supporter).
Today? We'll see, but i'm going to a 40th birthday at the sporting globe.....and its a pies supporters birthday. :(
Last year Blues got up over the pies on my birthday.
This year Blues got done by pies on my mates birthday (pies supporter).
Today? We'll see, but i'm going to a 40th birthday at the sporting globe.....and its a pies supporters birthday. :(
I hope your choice of present was appropriate for the occasion >:D ;D
I hope your choice of present was appropriate for the occasion >:D ;D
TBH, i don't even know what it is, the mrs was in charge of that side of things. :-[
All over social media. Walsh is out and o’brien in.
That pretty much sums out year up folks. Get one soldier back but lose a more important one.
All over social media. Walsh is out and o’brien in.
That pretty much sums out year up folks. Get one soldier back but lose a more important one.
Just mind games.... hopefully
Saad out also
Injuries aside we can still win imo, they will probably have Ginnivan and Degoey pull out so it's even.
Blues by 7 points...
Just mind games.... hopefully
Didn't see LoB in 2's
IF Saad and Walshy are also out. We'll need some luck to get the win
IF Saad and Walshy are also out. We'll need some luck to get the win
We are overdue for some luck....
Im off to the game, nervous as hell, hope we win, dont think we will, too much against us.
Go Blues
Im off to the game, nervous as hell, hope we win, dont think we will, too much against us.
Go Blues
I have never been on a footy train this quiet.
Im off to the game, nervous as hell, hope we win, dont think we will, too much against us.
Go Blues
I tend to agree. All things considered, Pies should have the edge.
All over social media. Walsh is out and o’brien in.
That pretty much sums out year up folks. Get one soldier back but lose a more important one.
Just saving Walshy and Saad for the trip to Brisvegus in two weeks
3 emergencies not playing in the 2's.
LOB, Newnes and Hewitt.
Guess the late change rumours are true.
Anyine know if all the pies emergencies are playing ???
Is 22 umpiring?
Anyine know if all the pies emergencies are playing ???
There is definitely 2 playing. - 1 will definitely not be (sub).....just depends on the other player.
LOB and Newnes never suited up.
Hewitt, not mentioned at all, perhaps the original sub?
Will Hayes has just been taken out of the game, just in case, with 20 mins remaining in the last.
Is 22 umpiring?
No. Hayden Gavine (14), Simon Meredith (21), Craig Fleer (26)
Only 1 pies emergency not playing, so no late changes for them.
Oliver Henry should be sub.
Let's hope we follow the 2's
Go Blues
Walsh is out guys.
Lob in.
Just can’t take a trick this year. They lose a guy to a hamstring and he gets up. We think they will rest degoey too but no he is playing too.
We think we may get Hewitt back and then he fails to come up and now Walsh is out too.
Never seem to catch a break do we.
Just can’t take a trick this year. They lose a guy to a hamstring and he gets up. We think they will rest degoey too but no he is playing too.
We think we may get Hewitt back and then he fails to come up and now Walsh is out too.
Never seem to catch a break do we.
Just watch those Collingwood players.
They're probably taking a risk, so we'll see if they make it through the game.
( I think we may be in the same boat with a few of our players...Saad?)
Cerra better play out of his skin
It was a tough assignment even with Walsh, but his unavailability is a bridge too far IMO.
How many midfielders will we have?
Cripps, Cerra..... plus a few playing fill ins
First the defensive crisis. Now the midfield crisis.
Our backs better be switched on. Especially on their smalls..
Extremely hopeful and extremely doubtful of a win.
Go Blues
The MC now makes sense, Williams and Cerra In, Doc will be midfield again.
Just lost all hope after Walsh. 3 goal loss at best. No finals for us this season. This is our elimination final.
LoB sniffling repeatedly.... home he's fully fit and full or run and deadly i50
Hawks staying in touch