With wrestling. What a joke.
Carlton co-captain Patrick Cripps has been charged with wrestling by the Match Review Officer.
The incident occurred with North Melbourne midfielder Jed Anderson during the second quarter of Saturday’s win over the Kangaroos.
The MRO charge carries a $1,250 fine, which can be reduced to $750 with an early guilty plea.
The Club has until midday on Monday to respond to the charge.
I expect we will appeal. Why isn't jed going to MRP?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-round-8-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-patrick-cripps-holding-the-man-alastair-clarkson-hawthorn-problems/news-story/f83fc4ce02272954857515faf933d726
I think this is a more serious issue to contest, Cripps gets manhandled every game but gets zero assistance from the umpires.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-round-8-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-patrick-cripps-holding-the-man-alastair-clarkson-hawthorn-problems/news-story/f83fc4ce02272954857515faf933d726
I think this is a more serious issue to contest, Cripps gets manhandled every game but gets zero assistance from the umpires.
This is a simple matter of cheating imo. Time is overdue for the AFL to ensure it is stamped out. It's a very bad look to be condoning this ugly aspect to our game.
Its unfortunate that this has to be discussed publically.
Cripps needs to get a bit nastier with his tagger. If you are going to go the MRO route, its really simple, iron out an opponent as legally as possible, and then we will see if they want to try all these tactics again. Get the suspension if you have to. It would be one worth wearing this season.
The other scenario is that we might elect to "manage" Cripps, and see the AFL likes their star players not playing football.
Its unfortunate that this has to be discussed publically.
Cripps needs to get a bit nastier with his tagger. If you are going to go the MRO route, its really simple, iron out an opponent as legally as possible, and then we will see if they want to try all these tactics again. Get the suspension if you have to. It would be one worth wearing this season.
The other scenario is that we might elect to "manage" Cripps, and see the AFL likes their star players not playing football.
Yep..said this on the other thread, Cripps has allowed this to happen by being Mr nice guy and needs to mongrel up with his taggers and get even and yep I'd wear a week to make the point to his future opponents that its going to be a tough day playing on me...Greg Williams and Wayne Johnston can give him some coaching in this area...
Yep..said this on the other thread, Cripps has allowed this to happen by being Mr nice guy and needs to mongrel up with his taggers and get even and yep I'd wear a week to make the point to his future opponents that its going to be a tough day playing on me...Greg Williams and Wayne Johnston can give him some coaching in this area...
His teammates need to help.
A tactic could be to drag an opponent to meats leading avenue, and bomb the ball on the opponents head.
Then get meat to do a fevola.
We walked a lot taller with Fev in our team.
Don't ask Cripps to be something he's not. We don't need or want mongrols. I'd much rather him hurt oppositions fairly than get sucked into doing something that tarnishes his name.
Don't ask Cripps to be something he's not. We don't need or want mongrols. I'd much rather him hurt oppositions fairly than get sucked into doing something that tarnishes his name.
I worry that whingers may be winners, and sticking your chest out and braving things might just get you jobbed on the chin!
AFL is overpopulated with kents and ar5eholes that would run over their own mother for a win, I think it's the nepotism and narcissism that breeds this mindset. Eventually taken to excess it leads to a guy like James Hird, the "Whatever it Takes" man, who remains gobsmacked he has been tagged as a wrong doer to this day!
Unfortunately kents like Pittard and Anderson are more populous in the AFL than Cripps types.
His teammates need to help.
A tactic could be to drag an opponent to meats leading avenue, and bomb the ball on the opponents head.
Then get meat to do a fevola.
We walked a lot taller with Fev in our team.
Casboult doesn't feel comfortable throwing his weight around. It doesn't come naturally to him. When Malthouse told him he had to, he attempted to, but kept getting reported.
As for the tactic, its something i've long been a fan of. When in doubt, specifically when you have an extra defender in your F50, don't keep it off him, bomb it on top of him. Then everyone has a run and jump at him while he simply has to wait there until the pack arrives to clean him up.
Do that enough times and suddenly the loose man finds himself being 'out of position' a lot more. ;)
Cripps ironing out his tagger is the last thing we need.
Cripps is trying to get the better of taggers by using his size and strength and that's simply playing into their hands. What he should be doing is keeping moving so that his tagger has to focus on a moving target and is less aware of blocks set by our other mids. Perhaps even Pittonet could exercise the physicality he reputably has to give Cripps a clear passage.
Dealing with a tagger is not rocket science and I'm disappointed that Cripps (and Docherty) isn't being schooled in anti-tagging tactics. I'd like to see the club set up a session for Cripps with Cameron Ling; even a phone conversation would help.
I'd also like the club to bombard the AFL with footage of the infringements against Cripps that the umpires miss/ignore. Other clubs manage to turn around the umpires' treatment of star players but we seem far too willing to bend over >:(
Martin, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Cunnington, Mitchell, Cogs, Whitfield, Neale etc all deal with tagging and don't need a Royal Commission to deal with it. If Cripps used his size and strength more he wouldn't have lightweights like Anderson shoving him about. Pittonet does need to do more as do Cripps teammates but it does get back to Cripps imposing himself physically and leading from the front. Have been pleased with Walsh who does have a go back at players who try it on with him and it will set him up for the future and he won't end up an easy target.
Martin, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Cunnington, Mitchell, Cogs, Whitfield, Neale etc all deal with tagging and don't need a Royal Commission to deal with it. If Cripps used his size and strength more he wouldn't have lightweights like Anderson shoving him about. Pittonet does need to do more as do Cripps teammates but it does get back to Cripps imposing himself physically and leading from the front. Have been pleased with Walsh who does have a go back at players who try it on with him and it will set him up for the future and he won't end up an easy target.
Yeah like last week and got pinged with a free, the retaliator always cops it in the ass. Back in the day, it got sorted behind play or at the next context by the enforcers. Can't do that anymore, been stamped out of the game whether it be going the knuckle or running through through someone with a perfect hip and shoulder. The officiators need to protect players like Cripps, plain and simple.
Yeah like last week and got pinged with a free, the retaliator always cops it in the ass. Back in the day, it got sorted behind play or at the next context by the enforcers. Can't do that anymore, been stamped out of the game whether it be going the knuckle or running through through someone with a perfect hip and shoulder. The officiators need to protect players like Cripps, plain and simple.
Yep initially you will give some free's away, But like Dusty the umps will start to ignore the off the ball stuff and it will sort itself out.
You have to protect yourself, JJ from the Bulldogs got targeted and the Dogs whinged and whinged and got nowhere... went on for ages until JJ stiffened the upper lip pushed back and ran his opponents off their legs.
I even saw Tom Mitchell throw one on the weekend. Selwood is another who became a nasty little prick because he had to, wrestling, sly ones it's all part of his game now because the umps can't be around every corner holding your hand.
Diesel had those devastating 3" rib ticklers, probably broke a few, blokes weren't expecting such force from so close, must have been like being hit by Tyson. Watching Kill Bill Vol 2 reminds me of them.
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You'd think when they saw Diesel handball they might trigger that he would have a reasonable jab, not Einsteins most of those AFL players, not by a long way! They must have thought they hand-balled the same way, feckwits! :D
Martin, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Cunnington, Mitchell, Cogs, Whitfield, Neale etc all deal with tagging and don't need a Royal Commission to deal with it. If Cripps used his size and strength more he wouldn't have lightweights like Anderson shoving him about. Pittonet does need to do more as do Cripps teammates but it does get back to Cripps imposing himself physically and leading from the front. Have been pleased with Walsh who does have a go back at players who try it on with him and it will set him up for the future and he won't end up an easy target.
And all of those players deal with taggers without resorting to ironing them out.
One of Crippa’s strengths is his strength and he is trying to rely on that to beat the tag. However, by initiating and maintaining contact, he is often out of the contest and playing into his tagger’s hands.
Other tagged players have a variety of tactics but they often involve greater defensive effort, working harder, keeping on the move, exploiting height, speed, endurance, etc advantage, going to another opposition player to free up their opponent, etc.
Wrestling with the tagger at stoppages isn’t the answer and neither is being switched to full forward.
And all of those players deal with taggers without resorting to ironing them out.
One of Crippa’s strengths is his strength and he is trying to rely on that to beat the tag. However, by initiating and maintaining contact, he is often out of the contest and playing into his tagger’s hands.
Other tagged players have a variety of tactics but they often involve greater defensive effort, working harder, keeping on the move, exploiting height, speed, endurance, etc advantage, going to another opposition player to free up their opponent, etc.
Wrestling with the tagger at stoppages isn’t the answer and neither is being switched to full forward.
Half of those mentioned punch on and wrestle, Martin and Cunnington won't tolerate being manhandled and get more respect imo.
Cripps strength is over hyped... Jack Steele the past three games has Cripps covered and the skipper couldn't move him. Having the 179cm, 81kg Anderson restraining him tells you he has to do better, he looks lighter imo and isn't able to muscle his way through those holds. The old Cripps was stronger imo, prefer him more bulked up...
The difference is that Cripps grapples with the tagger making it easier for the tagger to keep him out of the contest and harder for umpires to pay frees. Martin and others give their taggers a shove, then head off with a couple of metres’ space. Cripps is more than strong enough to deal with any tagger, he just needs to learn how best to use that strength.
Of course, the best way to deal with a tagger is to make it a team priority to break the tag(s). Our coaches must have missed the memo.
Of course, the best way to deal with a tagger is to make it a team priority to break the tag(s). Our coaches must have missed the memo.
We are winning the clearances, but it comes at a cost of maybe not having Cripps always front and centre.
We are winning the clearances, but it comes at a cost of maybe not having Cripps always front and centre.
Very true LP, and it's great to see Setters, Walsh, Kennedy, etc stepping up. However, we are missing Crippa's creative ball use.
I think we should probably ask Cripps to get into more deep F50 stoppages, and let their blockers and taggers run the risk!
That leaves our other mids to hang back outside of F50 and push towards the D50 end. Often Cripps is patrolling the F50 arc, and guys like Curnow, Kennedy and Setterfield push deeper into F50, I suppose that is because of Cripps height. But it might be missing a trick, I concede it's a pluses and minuses argument.
Good luck to the opposition at a deep F50 stoppage, Cripps can just go the ball making sure those hanging onto him get fully noticed! It won't take Betts and Martin long to switch onto the fact opposition around Cripps are being reactive and breaking the rules, our small forwards will feast on the oppositions reflex actions! ;)
I think we should probably ask Cripps to get into more deep F50 stoppages, and let their blockers and taggers run the risk!
That leaves our others to hang back outside of F50 and push to the D50 end. Often Cripps is patrolling the F50 arc, and guys like Kennedy and Setterfield push deeper, I suppose that is because of Cripps height. But it might be missing a trick, I concede it's a pluses and minuses argument.
Good luck to the opposition at a deep F50 stoppage, Cripps can just go the ball making sure those hanging onto him get fully noticed! It won't take Betts and Martin long to switch onto the fact opposition around Cripps are being reactive and breaking the rules, they'll feast on the reflex actions! ;)
Surely that’s what he should be doing at all stoppages? Once he grapples with his opponent, holding the man is not an option.
Maybe we should move Murphy into the centre to become "The Enforcer"...
Surely that’s what he should be doing at all stoppages? Once he grapples with his opponent, holding the man is not an option.
It easier said than done, these taggers are coached in ways of putting an opponent off-balance or disrupting an opponents focus. Not just coached in general techniques, but coached specific techniques for a specific opponent. They build up whole dossiers on players, what sets them off, what doesn't work, what does work.
Also, as fans watching, we must not assume Cripps holding someone isn't part of the plan. I know that seems hard to believe, but it's possible.
Maybe we should move Murphy into the centre to become "The Enforcer"...
He'd do a better job than your or I, how many AFL games have we played combined?
It easier said than done, these taggers are coached in ways of putting an opponent off-balance or disrupting an opponents focus. Not just coached in general techniques, but coached specific techniques for a specific opponent. They build up whole dossiers on players, what sets them off, what doesn't work, what does work.
Also, as fans watching, we must not assume Cripps holding someone isn't part of the plan. I know that seems hard to believe, but it's possible.
Anderson is a midget and lightweight compared to Cripps....Dusty would have just pushed him over with ease, ditto the Bont, Fyfe etc...if Cripps cant impose himself then the midfield/stoppage coach needs to get more inventive and get his teammates more involved and plan to free him up more.
I agree EB. He needs to develop (or the coach does) an easier method to "dissuade" the attention. Precisely why we need a solid mid.
He'd do a better job than your or I, how many AFL games have we played combined?
It's a joke, Joyce...
Somebody need a hug??
It's a joke, Joyce...
Somebody need a hug??
No, you?
No, you?
I could do with one ... but then I live next door to a winery that can’t open :(
Cripps was tagged by Polec in the first quarter and he exploited Polec’s lack of size and inexperience. Anderson took up the challenge from quarter time but Shaw obviously instructed his mids to double team Cripps whenever they could. Anderson’s job was made easier because Cripps initiated grappling but the second player helping out played into our hands and we won the clearances quite comfortably.
Having your tagged mid go to a second opposition player is a classic tactic but I suspect that the outcome was fortuitous rather than planned - particularly when Kennedy is one of the beneficiaries and he can’t kick over a jam tin and North were desperate to get that second player to tangle with Cripps.
I could do with one ... but then I live next door to a winery that can’t open :(
Cripps was tagged by Polec in the first quarter and he exploited Polec’s lack of size and inexperience. Anderson took up the challenge from quarter time but Shaw obviously instructed his mids to double team Cripps whenever they could. Anderson’s job was made easier because Cripps initiated grappling but the second player helping out played into our hands and we won the clearances quite comfortably.
Having your tagged mid go to a second opposition player is a classic tactic but I suspect that the outcome was fortuitous rather than planned - particularly when Kennedy is one of the beneficiaries and he can’t kick over a jam tin and North were desperate to get that second player to tangle with Cripps.
Richmond didnt tag Bont the other night, they just back their system and dont give a fork about the oppo.
Richmond didnt tag Bont the other night, they just back their system and dont give a fork about the oppo.
And I'd like to see us do the same ... but it may take a while before we can manage it.
Apart from the St Kilda game, having Cripps and Docherty tagged hasn't really hurt us but we need to have plans A, B and C to deal with taggers - and none of them should involve Cripps ironing out his opponent or putting on a couple of kgs.
Richmond don't take out taggers? Short memory chief. Cotchin ironed out Shiel, Curnow crushed larynx, dusty has a body of work such that blokes are scared to tackle him. They've done plenty of pushing back, difference is that get away with it - fact.
Richmond don't take out taggers? Short memory chief. Cotchin ironed out Shiel, Curnow crushed larynx, dusty has a body of work such that blokes are scared to tackle him. They've done plenty of pushing back, difference is that get away with it - fact.
Prof, I was referring to the game the other night, they didnt tag Bont.
I agree on that... But they were so far on top, and their systems were so efficient, that they didn't. MacCrae had what 40 possessions as well? They weren't concerned about him either.
I could do with one ... but then I live next door to a winery that can’t open :(
Cripps was tagged by Polec in the first quarter and he exploited Polec’s lack of size and inexperience. Anderson took up the challenge from quarter time but Shaw obviously instructed his mids to double team Cripps whenever they could. Anderson’s job was made easier because Cripps initiated grappling but the second player helping out played into our hands and we won the clearances quite comfortably.
Having your tagged mid go to a second opposition player is a classic tactic but I suspect that the outcome was fortuitous rather than planned - particularly when Kennedy is one of the beneficiaries and he can’t kick over a jam tin and North were desperate to get that second player to tangle with Cripps.
They double teamed Cripps a lot of the time when Anderson took over, it makes a difference.