This Sunday at Avalon Airport Oval, wherever that is. This game is being streamed.
If we have a sh1te Saturday night some of the blokes can fly directly back in to Avalon and get an early start with their new team!
2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne What is it?
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NORTH MELBOURNE v. NORTHERN BLUES
Round 2 – 15/04/2018 01:00PM
Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park) Why they are playing at Werribee I don't understand. But that is another tale.
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 17. S. Rowe, 49. A. Schumacher
HB: 28. H. Macreadie, 43. J. Glass-McCasker, 45. M. Shaw
C: 21. S. Kerridge, 1. T. Wilson, 24. F. Pearce
HF: 31. J. Lamb, 19. H. McKay, 2. C. Polson
F: 8. J. Hill, 30. P. Kerr, 38. K. LeBois
R: 34. A. Phillips, 32. N. Graham, 3. J. Palmer
Int: 5. T. De Koning, 9. S. Fisher, 22. C. McCabe, 12. B. Myers, 57. E. Penrith, 59. A.Tyquin
23P: 14. J. Lynch
In: J. Lynch, F. Pearce, B. Myers, C. Polson, C. McCabe, J. Hill, J. Palmer, J. Lamb
Out: G. Strachan, J. Silvagni, J. Johnston, L. O’Brien, C. O’Shea, J. Williams, M. Lobbe
A lot of changes. Hopefully the boys can play as a team this week instead of witches' hats. :-[ >:(
At least there were a few useful signs, reading the review, but we have a lot of guys who need to step up.
North Melbourne
B: 40. T. Murphy, 24. S. Durdin, 26. D. Nielson
HB: 21. A. Morgan, 23. B. McKay, 19. S. Wright
C: 17. M. Hibberd, 45. O. Junker, 27. W. Walker
HF: 36. J. Williams, 38. T. Xerri, 32. M. Wood
F: 42. D. Mountford, 20. N. Larkey, 44. C. Zurhaar
R: 31. B. Preuss, 52. N. Rippon, 15. P. Ahern
Int: 62. F. Cameron, 65. M. Close, 58. J. Harper, 59. N. Holmes, 61. C. Jansen, 53. T. Leonardis, 41. G. Narrier, 55. M. Rodd
23P: 64. L. Cunningham
In: O. Junker
Out: S. Stroobants, J. McIvor-Clark, M. Daw
Ben Mckay vs Harry McKay...should be a interesting duel.....
Ben Mckay vs Harry McKay...should be a interesting duel.....
Yes it will might settle a few peoples thought , did we get the right one?
No Lang.... ???
If Kerr plays well in this one, reckon he will get a call up to the big time.
No Lang.... ???
Ankle ligaments can result in a massive disruption to a season for professional athletes. What they haven't told us is whether or not his re have from injury went well.
Sorry to say I was right. Particularly when we need some polish and experience.
Ben Mckay vs Harry McKay...should be a interesting duel.....
I think Ben will go to Kerr.
Personally, I think it would have been better for us if SoJ played VFL and Ben went to SoJ, that would tell us more about the future than the other match ups.
I think Ben will go to Kerr.
Personally, I think it would have been better for us if SoJ played VFL and Ben went to SoJ, that would tell us more about the future than the other match ups.
Do you really think that a 200cm CHB would play on a 190cm medium forward?
I guess that would tell us that Ben is better in the air and SOJ is better when the ball hits the ground :)
Ben vs Harry/Kerr should be informative, provided there’s good supply into the forward 50.
If we can get some decent forward entries, I think Josh Hill's experience and leadership provide good development opportunities for the likes of LeBois.
Hill providing leadership..... Must be a different Hill to the one that ran around for west coast.
Do you really think that a 200cm CHB would play on a 190cm medium forward?
I guess that would tell us that Ben is better in the air and SOJ is better when the ball hits the ground :)
Ben vs Harry/Kerr should be informative, provided there’s good supply into the forward 50.
Kerr was 194cm last time I looked and with sufficient leap to ruck in the VFL, he is also the most powerful player for his size we have at VFL level.
Hill providing leadership..... Must be a different Hill to the one that ran around for west coast.
It's all relative Prof. Relative to those around him. I read that Josh was keen to offer this quality to his new teammates. His opportunity to lead starts now ;)
Kerr was 194cm last time I looked and with sufficient leap to ruck in the VFL, he is also the most powerful player for his size we have at VFL level.
Yes, and from what I’ve seen of him, young Patrick is a natural footballer who seems to instinctively get to the right spots. A match up between him and Ben would be interesting ... but perhaps not as entertaining as Harry vs Ben. I can envisage those two resorting to fisticuffs ????
Do you really think that a 200cm CHB would play on a 190cm medium forward?
I guess that would tell us that Ben is better in the air and SOJ is better when the ball hits the ground :)
Ben vs Harry/Kerr should be informative, provided there’s good supply into the forward 50.
Wonder if Ben is still 200cm given Harry has grown to 204cm.
Kerr's 194cm.
Yes, and from what I’ve seen of him, young Patrick is a natural footballer who seems to instinctively get to the right spots. A match up between him and Ben would be interesting ... but perhaps not as entertaining as Harry vs Ben. I can envisage those two resorting to fisticuffs ????
I wonder if the MRC turn a blind eye when a bloke gives his brother a clip ;)
I wonder if the MRC turn a blind eye when a bloke gives his brother a clip ;)
Pretty sure the selwoods disproved that theory that didn't they. Joel and Scott were involved in an altercation while he was at west coast a few years back.
Northern Blues
B: 7. M. Blakey, 17. S. Rowe, 49. A. Schumacher
HB: 28. H. Macreadie, 43. J. Glass-McCasker, 45. M. Shaw
C: 21. S. Kerridge, 1. T. Wilson, 24. F. Pearce
HF: 31. J. Lamb, 19. H. McKay, 2. C. Polson
F: 8. J. Hill, 30. P. Kerr, 38. K. LeBois
R: 34. A. Phillips, 32. N. Graham, 3. J. Palmer
Int: 5. T. De Koning, 9. S. Fisher, 22. C. McCabe, 12. B. Myers, 57. E. Penrith, 59. A.Tyquin
23P: 14. J. Lynch
In: J. Lynch, F. Pearce, B. Myers, C. Polson, C. McCabe, J. Hill, J. Palmer, J. Lamb
Out: G. Strachan, J. Silvagni, J. Johnston, L. O’Brien, C. O’Shea, J. Williams, M. Lobbe
With Graham playing last night, our midfield is looking somewhat thinner. Plenty of opportunity for guys to step up. But can they? Last week's effort does not fill me with confidence.
Last season when our team was being smashed for a period we got to watch the magoos playing some decent footy, but there seems to be little decent footy left at our club! I'm not looking forward to this week, with an apparent weaker team than last week, us that is!
Any person doubting why McKay isn't playing just needs to watch today's live stream!
Any person doubting why McKay isn't playing just needs to watch today's live stream!
How do you watch the stream LP?
Neve mind, found it. We are winning, Yay.
Any person doubting why McKay isn't playing just needs to watch today's live stream!
Why? What's happening?
We're winning. guessing we have the wind..lol.
How do you watch the stream LP?
Neve mind, found it. We are winning, Yay.
If I could find the effing link I’d check it out >:(
If I could find the effing link I’d check it out >:(
http://vfl.com.au/vfl-live-video-stream/
NBs up by 17pts at qtr time for those who can't watch the stream. 4.2 v 1.3
Liked: Lamb, Le Bois, Phillips, Polson, Rowe & Kerr
Kerr is miles ahead of McKay as a leading forward.
We lead 26-9 at 1/4 time. Lamb 2, McKay Le Bois 1 each.
North have the wind in the 2nd qtr.
Lebois looking lively around the ball
http://vfl.com.au/vfl-live-video-stream/
Thanks Jim ;)
Half way mark of the 2nd qtr, Kangabies with the wind, NBs up by 16 pts. McKay a bit better. Shaw has done some good things and worked hard
Nice goal on a turnover. Now up by 16pts, Defending well against the wind.
Had a good qtr but gave away a red time goal. Still lead 34-24.
So typical of Carlton sides. On top, 2 deep red time goals. Fkkk!
Big pack mark by Kerr! And goals on the siren of 1/2T
Half time.
NBs 6.4.40
Kangabies 4.6.30
Liked Shaw in that qtr, good decisions under pressure with accurate disposal. Phillips good and Kerr took a ripper mark and goaled to end the qtr.
Kerr is much bigger than I expected, and I concur with the earlier poster, he seems ahead of Harry today...... ;)
Huge mark and goal from near 50 from near the boundary against that wind by Kerr. Goal one of those red time goals back.
Kerr looks a big boy. And looks a player too. Like to see him in sooner rather than later.
Watched Phillips closely and was wrapped to see strong second efforts...
Good defensive pressure from the boys that qtr considering Kangabies kicking with the wind.
Agree with you too Baggers, Shaw looks like a footballer, nice kick and positions himself well around the ground. Cant see why both Shaw and Kerr don't get a call up this week just on what I saw in the second quarter....
Huge mark and goal from near 50 from near the boundary against that wind by Kerr. Goal one of those red time goals back.
Kerr looks a big boy. And looks a player too. Like to see him in sooner rather than later.
Kerr should have been played vs Collingwood.....been saying it for weeks, he has real size and looks a real footballer......you can tell footballers from hacks and Matt Shaw for example is a hack.
That one piece of play by Kerr is enough to get promoted to the seniors based on our performance last night. Shaw did look ok and I thought Polson showed a bit. Philips getting smashed in the ruck IMO. Rowe not impressing me.
Posted by: ElwoodBlues1
« on: Today at 02:18:10 PM »
Kerr should have been played vs Collingwood.....been saying it for weeks, he has real size and looks a real footballer......you can tell footballers from hacks and Matt Shaw for example is a hack.
Posted by: hanwell
« on: Today at 02:17:24 PM »
Agree with you too Baggers, Shaw looks like a footballer, nice kick and positions himself well around the ground. Cant see why both Shaw and Kerr don't get a call up this week just on what I saw in the second quarter....
Funny how people see the same thing different.
Its probably the first time I have actually looked for Shaw, very aware of the many posters here who have zero opinion of him, but he is getting to the contest, kicking through the ball, has some pace, and is no worse than either Mullett or O'Shea. I will watch his second half...
Shaw is Mark Whiley with more pace and a better sun tan....dumped by GC who dont exactly have a elite midfield, good honest trier with limited ability but will only block a player like Obriens progress.
Kerr on the other hand is the real deal, specialist Full Forward who can lead, mark and kick long and straight who should be in the seniors and has a future provided the dunce coach will play him along with players like McKay.
Teams are built around players like Kerr, McKay etc not banana's like Shaw......
That one piece of play by Kerr is enough to get promoted to the seniors based on our performance last night. Shaw did look ok and I thought Polson showed a bit. Philips getting smashed in the ruck IMO. Rowe not impressing me.
To be fair on Rowe he'll take a little while. Kerr looks a player.
Agree with you EB in regards to Kerr/McKay+Coach, Shaw wont hold back a first year player like O'Brien because based on what I saw last night O'Brien doesn't belong in the senior team yet. Shaw can warm his seat in the meantime, that's where the blokes like Shaw, Mullett, etc fit in.
28 up after McKay's goal.
You can only go by what you see, and Shaw showed composure under pressure in difficult conditions, made good decisions and delivered by foot with accuracy. I know nothing of Shaw's previous incarnation.
Kerr misses a sitter, if there in one in that wind, after some great 2nd and 3rd efforts by Phillips. Was only 25m out though almost in front. Bit of a Levi special that one.
Anyway, Polson gets us 35 up with an opportunist goal.
Gave up 2 red time goals again. Now lead by just 24pts.
Kerr misses a sitter, if there in one in that wind, after some great 2nd and 3rd efforts by Phillips. Was only 25m out though almost in front. Bit of a Levi special that one.
Totally agree. Liked his game.
Gave up 2 red time goals again. Now lead by just 24pts.
X2
NBs by 25 pts at 3/4 time.
Philips had a real good qtr then. Kerrige I think is finished. Shaw still doing OK bar one stuff up.
Media and CFC supporters screaming for Harry to get a gig obviously haven't seen him play. Kerr just needs to spend time with Sav to be a real key forward prospect.
Agree with you EB in regards to Kerr/McKay+Coach, Shaw wont hold back a first year player like O'Brien because based on what I saw last night O'Brien doesn't belong in the senior team yet. Shaw can warm his seat in the meantime, that's where the blokes like Shaw, Mullett, etc fit in.
H....I'll disagree on Obrien as I would keep playing him....I'd prefer Shaw over Mullett though, at least Shaw will lay a tackle, chase and give you effort, Mullet is a better kick IMO but thats about all he offers...
Media and CFC supporters screaming for Harry to get a gig obviously haven't seen him play. Kerr just needs to spend time with Sav to be a real key forward prospect.
Harry needs more continuity. He looks alright but needs more fitness. Kerr looks good.
Ok suffice to say, JGM is a spud that is not even VFL std and will be delisted at the end of this year. Offers zero and is taking up space.
5pt in it now
Ok suffice to say, JGM is a spud that is not even VFL std and will be delisted at the end of this year. Offers zero and is taking up space.
Unfortunately true.
Kangabies up by a pt with about 5 mins remaining...
6 goal bloody lead now a pt behind. Red time goals hurt, especially when North kicked against the wind in the 3rd qtr. North got two in both the 2nd and 3rd qtrs. This is never addressed.
Boys have put the white flag up....disappointing
$hit, are our players stupid. That ball should've put deep, not handballed. F-wits!
Done and dusted :(
Idiots! Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
All I've done today is follow losers that should've won. Netball girls 4 goals up mid-last qtr only to lose to England, Rugby girls make every inexplicable mistake in the book to lose a game in extra time they should've won, now these dills lead by 6 goals and lose.
Kangabies win by 3 pts.
Bad fade although kicking against the wind and rain.
Encouraged by Phillips, Kerr, Le Bois, Shaw, Polson had dip, Lamb was v good early...
Pffft, what a dumb bunch of losers. Definite candidates for the ones
Nothing much to get excited about but it was a fair effort coming off a 130 point loss.
McKay looks miles away from senior football.
Blues 12 - 9 - 81
North 12 - 12 - 84
Bugger!
But at least there is more to like than last week.
Kangabies win by 3 pts.
Bad fade although kicking against the wind and rain.
Encouraged by Phillips, Kerr, Le Bois, Shaw, Polson had dip, Lamb was v good early...
Who was that dill who had the ball at 50m late in the qtr then handballed instead of kicked? That was a bad fumble too but it was raining hard, more reason to get the ball deep. This is our problem, being dumb, not mention those damn red time goals
Nothing much to get excited about but it was a fair effort coming off a 130 point loss.
McKay looks miles away from senior football.
At least Kerr looked closer.
I reckon an iceberg has more versatility than our Harry, the bonehead who gave away that free after the goal should be sacked on the spot, cost a team/club so in need of SOMETHING......
DISPOSALS: Kerridge 22, Wilson 22, Shaw 20, Phillips 19, Lamb 17, Penrith 17.
Goals: Lamb 3, LeBois 3, McKay 2, Polson 2
Who was that dill who had the ball at 50m late in the qtr then handballed instead of kicked? That was a bad fumble too but it was raining hard, more reason to get the ball deep. This is our problem, being dumb, not mention those damn red time goals
The dill was earlier, JGM gave away the stupidest free which resulted in a double goal. That got them close and their tails were up.
At least Kerr looked closer.
They might as well try and make a ruckman out of McKay, he might go better when he knows roughly where the ball will be because from what I've seen of him he struggles to get to where the ball is playing as a forward.
We've got nothing to lose, he's contracted until the end of next year anyway.
Polson shows a bit for sure, and LeBois at least seems to know where the goals are so he's ahead of a few of our smaller forwards.
Lebois showed a bit, as did Kerr. Harry is miles off, no surprises his brother is in the 2s also.
Encouraging signs until 3/4 Time. Then, despite north having 2 players down, we couldn't sustain a significant lead. Nothing honourable about it. Just inadequacies all over the ground in final quarter. Farewell to JGM.
Of our AFL Polson, Rowe, Flipper, LeBois, Kerr, DeKonig, Shaw, and Lamb were solid. If that's how if Polson's game is representative of his commitment, I see why he got a call up, particularly with our mounting injuries.
Other than That, our club's starting 2018 in worrying style. A turn around is needed soon or the problem will snowball.
They might as well try and make a ruckman out of McKay, he might go better when he knows roughly where the ball will be because from what I've seen of him he struggles to get to where the ball is playing as a forward.
We've got nothing to lose, he's contracted until the end of next year anyway.
Polson shows a bit for sure, and LeBois at least seems to know where the goals are so he's ahead of a few of our smaller forwards.
McKay is doing alot of ruck work at training. He hasn't been too bad in the NBs over the last two years and wasn't bad at all in his two games in the seniors. Injuries are killing him and not allowing him any continuity. That latter is what Bolton is waiting for as he was anxious to get him in the side but just not until he is ready.
There's a part of me that says if a lot of these young guys are the future...let's get them playing together and developing a bond and understanding.
If we're going to go down in a screaming heap this year let's do that...and get the 'future' working as a team.
Whether that's at AFL or VFL level doesn't really fuss me.
He doesn't look injured to me, he just really struggles to make position or have any real impact.
The way it's going we'll still be saying he needs more time in 2025.
TDK showed more that H today.
There's a part of me that says if a lot of these young guys are the future...let's get them playing together and developing a bond and understanding.
If we're going to go down in a screaming heap this year let's do that...and get the 'future' working as a team.
Whether that's at AFL or VFL level doesn't really fuss me.
Loads I'm with you. If we want to give the youngsters games together, this might be worth a shot. As you say it's not like we're looking competitive.
He doesn't look injured to me, he just really struggles to make position or have any real impact.
The way it's going we'll still be saying he needs more time in 2025.
He has been injured. That what Bolton said clearly during the week. He said he's hanging out to play him but said, due to his issues, he needs continuity of games.
Harry has ability, he should be playing seniors instead of running around with bananas like Jessie GMac in the NB's, some players will never show anything in the twos but shine when they play seniors...time to find out and same with Kerr.
Harry has ability, he should be playing seniors instead of running around with bananas like Jessie GMac in the NB's, some players will never show anything in the twos but shine when they play seniors...time to find out and same with Kerr.
It's not as if we'll be playing finals so why not?
He probably hasn't earned it but why not...nothing to lose...Kerr too.
Different structure in the AFL and the incentive to do well may see them shine.
Bring in Harry and or Kerr if we must but personally I don't think either of them would make a lot of difference atm. We need some grunt and aggression in the midfield and we need to execute basic skills with a degree of competence all over the field. If we did that we would be in much better shape even with the squad we had playing on Sat. BTW, we'll likely be without Murphy for several weeks now and there's a doubt about Kreuz too? God knows what will happen next week?? :o
Bring in Harry and or Kerr if we must but personally I don't think either of them would make a lot of difference atm. We need some grunt and aggression in the midfield and we need to execute basic skills with a degree of competence all over the field. If we did that we would be in much better shape even with the squad we had playing on Sat. BTW, we'll likely be without Murphy for several weeks now and there's a doubt about Kreuz too? God knows what will happen next week?? :o
I don't think it will make a huge difference....but "no change" is not an option after that performance and not many midfielders are staking a claim.
Lods, I don't like the idea of making changes in areas that won't have much of an impact - it smacks of "tinkering" rather that professionally considered change. Our focus needs to be on the midfield - our poor levels of skill execution (tackling, disposal, F50 entry - you name it) combined with being outbodied in the contest is killing us. We run around like headless chooks and a couple of different tall forwards I don't think will fix that.
Lods, I don't like the idea of making changes in areas that won't have much of an impact - it smacks of "tinkering" rather that professionally considered change. Our focus needs to be on the midfield - our poor levels of skill execution (tackling, disposal, F50 entry - you name it) combined with being outbodied in the contest is killing us. We run around like headless chooks and a couple of different tall forwards I don't think will fix that.
No doubt...but we're in a 'nothing to lose'' situation at the moment and I cant think of many mid-field changes that would make a difference.
We can't go in with the same side...so any VFL player who made an impact today should be considered a chance.
No doubt...but we're in a 'nothing to lose'' situation at the moment and I cant think of many mid-field changes that would make a difference.
We can't go in with the same side...so any VFL player who made an impact today should be considered a chance.
Fair enough I suppose. At least we'd see whether or not they are prepared to rise to the occasion and try to grab their opportunity - but don't be disappointed if they can't - our forward line ain't the ideal place to try and make a big impact from atm.
Rowe was probably the best of the AFL listed players, in conditions not suiting talls, Phillips likewise. De Koning rucked against Preust and did OK, has plenty of aerobic capacity but lacks strength and weight.
I thought Shaw was OK today as a rookie, Kerridge got to a lot of contests, but didn't do much in conditions that should suit his body type.
Kerr was quiet after a great first quarter.
McKay didn't do much at all early, was a little better later, but for a guy with his unique size and mobility he was ordinary at ground level, almost non-competitive compared to Phillips and De Koning.
Polson got plenty of football but keeps getting pegged not taking the first option, he'll be the Murphy replacement but it won't go down very well.
He probably hasn't earned it but why not...nothing to lose...Kerr too.
Different structure in the AFL and the incentive to do well may see them shine.
So Jack gets caned by some on here and accused of only getting a game due his old man rather than because he DESERVES a game. H shows 2/10ths of FA in the 2s week in week out but DESERVES a crack. I dont get that.
Fair enough I suppose. At least we'd see whether or not they are prepared to rise to the occasion and try to grab their opportunity - but don't be disappointed if they can't - our forward line ain't the ideal place to try and make a big impact from atm.
My expectations are quite low at the moment :( ....any ray of hope will be gladly appreciated.
So Jack gets caned by some on here and accused of only getting a game due his old man rather than because he DESERVES a game. H shows 2/10ths of FA in the 2s week in week out but DESERVES a crack. I dont get that.
It's called 'desperation' :(
So Jack gets caned by some on here and accused of only getting a game due his old man rather than because he DESERVES a game. H shows 2/10ths of FA in the 2s week in week out but DESERVES a crack. I dont get that.
I don't think McKay deserves a crack, but he wouldn't do worse than SoJ! ;)
Kerr is the one showing the work ethic and if he brought that to AFL he'd do OK.
McKay twins both ordinary today IMO
Blues McKay of course, hampered by injury. He needs a steady run to apply his development and skills.
So Jack gets caned by some on here and accused of only getting a game due his old man rather than because he DESERVES a game. H shows 2/10ths of FA in the 2s week in week out but DESERVES a crack. I dont get that.
Harry is a pick 10 and vital to the clubs cause for the future, he plays CHF the hardest spot on the ground, Josh Kennedy was a total spud in his first few seasons and now will probably towel us up next game for another 5-10 goals. We need Harry to be our JK or we are going to struggle bigtime, Jack is a good kid who has Navy Blue blood in his veins and tried hard vs Nth but isnt a high impact player and being a later pick doesnt have as much riding on him. Harry will get a free pass every now and then as will Dow as will OBrien, SPS etc who were all taken as early picks, thats how it works, they will be gifted games due to the expectation they carry. Jack carried a bit too for a while but thats been tempered as he will never be as good as his old man and is a side dish rather than a main course and we have all learned to accept that...
I have a theory that if Kerr was a top ten pick he would have played seniors by now.....?
We kicked 4 goals vs North who are one of the worst teams going around IMO.......can it get any worse.....?
So Jack gets caned by some on here and accused of only getting a game due his old man rather than because he DESERVES a game. H shows 2/10ths of FA in the 2s week in week out but DESERVES a crack. I dont get that.
I thought SOJ deserved his recall. He's not his old man (der) but he does have a footy brain and desperation... just needs to build his endurance and strength. He was awful a few weeks ago, but he had loads of mates... some of whom were lucky to keep their spots.
McKay twins both ordinary today IMO
Blues McKay of course, hampered by injury. He needs a steady run to apply his development and skills.
Probably not a great day to be a key forward either.
I don't think McKay deserves a crack, but he wouldn't do worse than SoJ! ;)
Kerr is the one showing the work ethic and if he brought that to AFL he'd do OK.
100% agree.
Harry is a pick 10 and vital to the clubs cause for the future, he plays CHF the hardest spot on the ground, Josh Kennedy was a total spud in his first few seasons and now will probably towel us up next game for another 5-10 goals. We need Harry to be our JK or we are going to struggle bigtime, Jack is a good kid who has Navy Blue blood in his veins and tried hard vs Nth but isnt a high impact player and being a later pick doesnt have as much riding on him. Harry will get a free pass every now and then as will Dow as will OBrien, SPS etc who were all taken as early picks, thats how it works, they will be gifted games due to the expectation they carry. Jack carried a bit too for a while but thats been tempered as he will never be as good as his old man and is a side dish rather than a main course and we have all learned to accept that...
I have a theory that if Kerr was a top ten pick he would have played seniors by now.....?
We kicked 4 goals vs North who are one of the worst teams going around IMO.......can it get any worse.....?
EB you quickly forget, or conveniently omit, a few things here. JK as an 18 year old had an incredible work ethic from day one. He turned up to a training camp at Mt Buller arm in sling to do a hike with his team mates when he was told to stay home, said to the docs "She'll be right". H from all reports is a lazy assed lug with not much btw the ears and not much desperation or urgency. A 19 year old Harry Mackay wouldnt tie the same aged JK's boot laces. He needs to harden the fark up, put in or fark off. Patty Kerr on the other hand deserves a crack at AFL definitely, shown enough I reckon, he must be close. Yes big fellas take time but Its no surprise both twins are still languishing in the 2s and not showing much desire to get into the 1s. For all his faults, blokes like Jack at least crack in and have a dip for he jumper and his team mates. I cant see H doing that, I'll go as far to say that's one pick SOS looks to have got wrong.
EB you quickly forget, or conveniently omit, a few things here. JK as an 18 year old had an incredible work ethic from day one. He turned up to a training camp at Mt Buller arm in sling to do a hike with his team mates when he was told to stay home, said to the docs "She'll be right". H from all reports is a lazy assed lug with not much btw the ears and not much desperation or urgency. A 19 year old Harry Mackay wouldnt tie the same aged JK's boot laces. He needs to harden the fark up, put in or fark off. Patty Kerr on the other hand deserves a crack at AFL definitely, shown enough I reckon, he must be close. Yes big fellas take time but Its no surprise both twins are still languishing in the 2s and not showing much desire to get into the 1s. For all his faults, blokes like Jack at least crack in and have a dip for he jumper and his team mates. I cant see H doing that, I'll go as far to say that's one pick SOS looks to have got wrong.
GTC...JK was a hard worker and for sure has Harry covered for intensity etc....I dont know anything about Harry's work ethic etc or how bright he is.....Yep he does look lazy or laconic which ever way you take how he runs/contests etc but he does also have a lot of talent IMO and SOS must have done his due diligence on his mental approach to the game and off field stuff etc..
I looked at another lazy player with not much between the ears today in Jake Stringer and he kicked 4 goals for Essendon and won them the game, now I'm not saying you want a team of lazy bums who might get away with taking short cuts but if their talent is sufficient to win you games of football I am happy to extend the boundaries of the culture to fit them in.
We dont know if Harry is that good yet but I'd like to play him to find out before we fark him off.....
Its a bit like Ed Curnow IMO, Ed is a great trainer/role model etc etc but Sidebottom and Higgins have slaughtered him these past two weeks and been BOG.....its great how Ed presents every season and how hard he tries but the facts are honest triers/good clubmen can only take you so far and a lazy player with more ability can take you further....you need a balance and we lack genuine talent so Harry needs trialling IMO..
There is a thought that the Twins need reuniting before they'll come good, should that be at Carlton or Norp?
To do that deal would probably cost one Weitering, a Williamson and say a Polson, or a couple of Kerridge types.
There is a thought that the Twins need reuniting before they'll come good, should that be at Carlton or Norp?
Done....Harry for Ben Brown....
GTC...JK was a hard worker and for sure has Harry covered for intensity etc....I dont know anything about Harry's work ethic etc or how bright he is.....Yep he does look lazy or laconic which ever way you take how he runs/contests etc but he does also have a lot of talent IMO and SOS must have done his due diligence on his mental approach to the game and off field stuff etc..
I looked at another lazy player with not much between the ears today in Jake Stringer and he kicked 4 goals for Essendon and won them the game, now I'm not saying you want a team of lazy bums who might get away with taking short cuts but if their talent is sufficient to win you games of football I am happy to extend the boundaries of the culture to fit them in.
We dont know if Harry is that good yet but I'd like to play him to find out before we fark him off.....
Its a bit like Ed Curnow IMO, Ed is a great trainer/role model etc etc but Sidebottom and Higgins have slaughtered him these past two weeks and been BOG.....its great how Ed presents every season and how hard he tries but the facts are honest triers/good clubmen can only take you so far and a lazy player with more ability can take you further....you need a balance and we lack genuine talent so Harry needs trialling IMO..
I understand exactly what you mean. Point is, if he was ready to play this year, he would have by now. Clearly there is something he isn't doing, we dont know what is is, the MC do however, he knows it and the rest of playing group would know it. When you set a culture where games must be earned (albeit slightly different KPIs/criteria for different players), you cant make exceptions. Are we screaming out for a KPF? My bloody oath we are. Is the coach itching to get him into the side? My word he is. He isnt playing for a reason, watching him today I can see why. Mate if he gets a call up and lights it up or even just contributes, or throws some weight around, I will be as happy as a pig in s h i t, for him and for the club. All I am saying is I will back the club in on his non selection ATM. Take Weiters for example, not setting the world on fire but the MC are backing him in, why is that do you think?
I understand exactly what you mean. Point is, if he was ready to play this year, he would have by now. Clearly there is something he isn't doing, we dont know what is is, the MC do however, he knows it and the rest of playing group would know it. When you set a culture where games must be earned (albeit slightly different KPIs/criteria for different players), you cant make exceptions. Are we screaming out for a KPF? My bloody oath we are. Is the coach itching to get him into the side? My word he is. He isnt playing for a reason, watching him today I can see why. Mate if he gets a call up and lights it up or even just contributes, or throws some weight around, I will be as happy as a pig in s h i t, for him and for the club. All I am saying is I will back the club in on his non selection ATM. Take Weiters for example, not setting the world on fire but the MC are backing him in, why is that do you think?
You're promoting different rules for different folks...
Big, big no no....
I understand exactly what you mean. Point is, if he was ready to play this year, he would have by now. Clearly there is something he isn't doing, we dont know what is is, the MC do however, he knows it and the rest of playing group would know it.
Posters have to check out the replay of today's 1st Qtr in the VFL, you'll see McKay's shortcomings if you keep an eye on things behind the play. He's miles away from the AFL, he'd be lucky if he's achieving half the required intensity.
SoJ gives the intensity, so does Weitering, both are horribly out of form. It was probably correct on effort but I thought it sent a very bad message bringing SoJ back in despite his excellent work ethic, because it looked to me that others deserved a crack.
I also think Kreuzer being injured has been fortunate for Levi, because at the moment it's hard to see him out of the side for reasons that are not related to his play. Which seems to make it difficult for the others to fit in. If Kreuzer is out things may be forced to change.
There is a thought that the Twins need reuniting before they'll come good, should that be at Carlton or Norp?
To do that deal would probably cost one Weitering, a Williamson and say a Polson, or a couple of Kerridge types.
They can have him for a 1st rounder.
I'm pretty sure i've heard them prefer to play against eachother though.
They can have him for a 1st rounder.
I'm pretty sure i've heard them prefer to play against eachother though.
I think that may come from a desire not to compete with each other for the same spot. But their whole junior career has been one as a KPD and the other a KPF. They do the twin stuff, like they know what the other will do and where they will be. The thought is in the noise of an AFL game it could be a real advantage, they may have a sum that is bigger than the individual contributions.
What’s the go with lang?
Haven’t heard anything about him.
McKay said on his Tuesday injury rapt about 2 weeks ago he was a test. Did he play today?
What’s the go with lang?
Haven’t heard anything about him.
McKay said on his Tuesday injury rapt about 2 weeks ago he was a test. Did he play today?
Nope.
We got him at a discount because he was damaged goods, and everyone on here can't accept that this might be the case. He'll come good eventually but Geelong only traded him because their time is now and Lang is set to have a poor 2018.
Nope.
We got him at a discount because he was damaged goods, and everyone on here can't accept that this might be the case. He'll come good eventually but Geelong only traded him because their time is now and Lang is set to have a poor 2018.
Geez.
If true the club feels we are in a position to go backwards this year and it’s ok. Cause that’s whats going to happen if we get nothing from Lang. Gibbs will turn into a massive loss.
Then again not as dumb as selecting Mullet. Everyone comments he is a good kick yet his rarely hits a target and usually coughs it up when there is no pressure on him. His kicking is woeful. Hate to see his weakness if kicking is his strength.
And O’Shea and Shaw are other inclusions that make little sense.
Nope.
We got him at a discount because he was damaged goods, and everyone on here can't accept that this might be the case. He'll come good eventually but Geelong only traded him because their time is now and Lang is set to have a poor 2018.
Think Lang was part of the money that had to go to Ablett and they couldnt afford him given how tight things are cp wise down at the cattery..
Think Lang was part of the money that had to go to Ablett and they couldnt afford him given how tight things are cp wise down at the cattery..
Seems like that is the case, he wanted out because they didn't want him any more, and he was the right "money" for their requirements.
Geez.
If true the club feels we are in a position to go backwards this year and it’s ok. Cause that’s whats going to happen if we get nothing from Lang. Gibbs will turn into a massive loss.
Then again not as dumb as selecting Mullet. Everyone comments he is a good kick yet his rarely hits a target and usually coughs it up when there is no pressure on him. His kicking is woeful. Hate to see his weakness if kicking is his strength.
And O’Shea and Shaw are other inclusions that make little sense.
He's probably still a welcome addition to our midfield even if it's not his best football.
O'Shea won his chance through his vfl form. realistically these guys are all insurance picks to give the kids a chop out after trading Gibbs.
Mullet was one of our better performers last night, because we are playing with too many non contributers.
You're promoting different rules for different folks...
Big, big no no....
Not rules, KPIs as in for different positions (at least I'd imagine they would be different).
Mullet was one of our better performers last night, because we are playing with too many non contributers.
That is why the efforts of Daisy are so damning for our club, good for him, bad for our club.
Daisy is a constant, week in and week out, the others are all over the place in performance!
There is a thought that the Twins need reuniting before they'll come good, should that be at Carlton or Norp?
To do that deal would probably cost one Weitering, a Williamson and say a Polson, or a couple of Kerridge types.
I don't want to give Weitering away just to persuade the kangas to take Harry off our hands.
Nope.
We got him at a discount because he was damaged goods, and everyone on here can't accept that this might be the case. He'll come good eventually but Geelong only traded him because their time is now and Lang is set to have a poor 2018.
Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.
If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....
Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.
If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....
And players from us to other clubs tend to star ::)
Billy Gowers I know is not starring but seems to be doing alright at the Doggies. Playing in the 1's but with us never got a look in. Kane Lambert a Premiership player...
We don't seem to know what players we have, We haven't a nurturing, development culture unlike alot of other clubs. Unusual :o
I don't want to give Weitering away just to persuade the kangas will take Harry off our hands.
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Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.
If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....
Prove me wrong.
Round 5 this week, has he even commenced full training yet??
He's unsighted.
And players from us to other clubs tend to star ::)
Billy Gowers I know is not starring but seems to be doing alright at the Doggies. Playing in the 1's but with us never got a look in. Kane Lambert a Premiership player...
We don't seem to know what players we have, We haven't a nurturing, development culture unlike alot of other clubs. Unusual :o
I find it hard to believe that so many supporters are only seeing this after the media get hold of the concept, do they only trust the word of some celebrity and not their fellow supporters?
It's been forking obvious for almost a decade, and the primary reason many of us here on this forum bang on about player development. Also think about this, how can it be that we can afford to cut obviously capable footballers for is what would be trivial issues. Or others sometimes without them ever being properly tested at the upper level.
We are living beyond our means, we need to squeeze the last drop out of every resource, but instead we throw away the can half full and grab another fresh one from the fridge!
It has to be arrogance, yet what justifies it based on recent history?
As club we must still think our sh1te doesn't stink, but I can tell you we have severe case of Werribee Tan Aroma going on!
It must be so hard for the young blokes not to become depressed, they come to work and are surrounded by death and decay! You can smell the rot!
Bit part players going on to perform bit part roles at other club isn't a sign of much.
Bit part players going on to perform bit part roles at other club isn't a sign of much.
Do you think we have such an excess of capable bit part players that we can discard them?
Do you think we have such an excess of capable bit part players that we can discard them?
Define capable.
Would Gowers be going any better than o Shea?
How was Mitch Robinson on the weekend?
Jeff Garlett?
These guys are better than Gowers and all of them would help us, but let's face it, they'd be struggling with us to make an impact.
Define capable.
You mean like winning a clubs B&F or leading a clubs goal kicking?
In a side that otherwise got smashed, Mitch Robinson was named among the Lions best, BoG by some!
Thry, take off your Navy Blue glasses, our sh1t does stink, and it stinks bad!
We are not perfect and we've made very very very bad decisions in the past for what would seem to be trivial reasons!
We've mistakenly discarded players, and we've mistakenly retained players that are taking us nowhere. The first part of fixing those problems is admitting it happened and may still be happening!
You mean like winning a clubs B&F or leading a clubs goal kicking?
In a side that otherwise got smashed, Mitch Robinson was named among the Lions best, BoG by some!
Thry, take off your Navy Blue glasses, our sh1t does stink, and it stinks bad!
We are not perfect and we've made very very very bad decisions in the past for what would seem to be trivial reasons!
We've mistakenly discarded players, and we've mistakenly retained players that are taking us nowhere. The first part of fixing those problems is admitting it happened and may still be happening!
Two examples.
Two. Do you know how many players we've discarded??
They're outliers. Gowers is going to play a handful of handy games and might become a solid but unspectacular performer for the Bulldogs just like Ed Curnow has for us, or before him Andrew Carrazzo. They're a dime a dozen and for us they become the main event whilst for others they're side dishes.
Face it LP. This long bow you are drawing is extremely long and Frankly statistically full of outliers. For every Mitch Robinson, or billy Gowers there's a dozen players who's careers are done never to be heard of again.
Two examples.
Two. Do you know how many players we've discarded??
They're outliers. Gowers is going to play a handful of handy games and might become a solid but unspectacular performer for the Bulldogs just like Ed Curnow has for us, or before him Andrew Carrazzo. They're a dime a dozen and for us they become the main event whilst for others they're side dishes.
Face it LP. This long bow you are drawing is extremely long and Frankly statistically full of outliers. For every Mitch Robinson, or billy Gowers there's a dozen players who's careers are done never to be heard of again.
Geelong discarded blokes like Carrazzo and Wet Toast traded away Judd when they were at the top of the tree. Judd came to us to win a B&F costing millions and draft picks a plenty, Robinson left for nada from a club living in the gutter!
I sorry Thry, but your post seems to confirm the silver spoon attitude of the club, it's a sign of trouble and a form of denial!
We are not the billionaires who can buy our way out of trouble anymore, we are destitute girl in the gutter selling all that she has to offer! ;)
Geelong discarded blokes like Carrazzo and Wet Toast traded away Judd when they were at the top of the tree. Judd came to us to win a B&F costing millions and draft picks a plenty, Robinson left for nada from a club living in the gutter!
I sorry Thry, but your post seems to confirm the silver spoon attitude of the club, it's a sign of trouble and a form of denial!
We are not the billionaires who can buy our way out of trouble anymore, we are destitute girl in the gutter selling all that she has to offer! ;)
Why don't you go through our list of discards and show me just how many we have given away that would be oh so useful today.
Things to keep in mind, they have to want to play for us. Some of them leave as much as they are "gotten rid of".
Why don't you go through our list of discards and show me just how many we have given away that would be oh so useful today.
Things to keep in mind, they have to want to play for us. Some of them leave as much as they are "gotten rid of".
Why would anyone want to play for us Thry?
Players we trade or give away, they may struggle to get regular games at higher rated clubs, some do some don't, yet they do get games at higher rated clubs when they couldn't get a game here or were no longer wanted by us like we had ready-made replacements!
Where are the ready-made replacements Thry, the better players we picked up?
Are we supposed to be improving the list, not just turning it over?
You are one of the loudest proponents of adding depth to our list, how does trading away players capable of getting games in teams higher up the ladder add depth?
Why would anyone want to play for us Thry?
Players we trade or give away, they may struggle to get regular games at higher rated clubs, some do some don't, yet they do get games at higher rated clubs when they couldn't get a game here or were no longer wanted by us like we had ready-made replacements!
Where are the ready-made replacements Thry, the better players we picked up?
Are we supposed to be improving the list, not just turning it over?
You are one of the loudest proponents of adding depth to our list, how does trading away players capable of getting games in teams higher up the ladder add depth?
No
Billy Gowers. Who else has left our club to star elsewhere.
Nick Holman?
For all of them there's a mark Austin, Adam hartlett, Jake Edwards, Luke Mitchell, David ellard, Kane Lucas, Marcus davies, Patrick McCarthy, Jordan Russell, nick duigan etc that are surplus to our requirements because we need main event players. We've even kept some of them like Sam Rowe and recruited our own versions in Andrew Phillips, jed lamb, o Shea, etc.
They are peripheral. All of them. Robinson is an outlier because he was gotten rid of to set standards as well as being better than the rest of them but the fact remains that your initial point is moot.
For all of them there's a mark Austin, Adam hartlett, Jake Edwards, Luke Mitchell, David ellard, Kane Lucas, Marcus davies, Patrick McCarthy, Jordan Russell, nick duigan etc that are surplus to our requirements because we need main event players. We've even kept some of them like Sam Rowe and recruited our own versions in Andrew Phillips, jed lamb, o Shea, etc.
So we just keep buying a ticket on the faulty Merry-go-Round, and blame everybody who gets off for the rides troubles!
Sorry Thry, your posts reek of the silver spoon, the old Carlton ways.
We are not the billionaires of the AFL anymore, we cannot afford to waste a thing! If there is even a slither of performance we let slip by we will be doomed to crawl the gutters!
I'm glad you can defend the club so strongly, it shows your passion, but it also betrays where you think we stand.
We need to find some glitter in amongst the turds and turn it into gold, we can't afford to go to the jewellery shop any more!
This discussion reminds me of some friends who were banging on about the $20M Carlton was granted to redevelop part of PP, they were trying to rub it in the faces of some opposition fans, like we are still the big boys getting the big toys. But it's for the girls Thry not the men!
So we just keep buying a ticket on the faulty Merry-go-Round, and blame everybody who gets off for the rides troubles!
Sorry Thry, your posts reek of the silver spoon, the old Carlton ways.
We are not the billionaires of the AFL anymore, we cannot afford to waste a thing! If there is even a slither of performance we let slip by we will be doomed to crawl the gutters!
I'm glad you can defend the club so strongly, it shows your passion, but it also betrays where you think we stand.
We need to find some glitter in amongst the turds and turn it into gold, we can't afford to go to the jewellery shop any more!
This discussion reminds me of some friends who were banging on about the $20M Carlton was granted to redevelop part of PP, they were trying to rub it in the faces of some opposition fans, like we are still the big boys getting the big toys. But it's for the girls Thry not the men!
Have you looked at Gowers round two? 8 disposals 4 tackles and 1 goal.
Can't believe we didn't senior list him.
Have you looked at Gowers round two? 8 disposals 4 tackles and 1 goal.
Better than SoJ Rnd 1, yet SoJ does not deserve to be dropped according to some of your other posts!
You do not seem to be seeing the contradiction in your posts!
We've only actually gone to the draft in the last couple of years and so far the signs are promising.
We'll still have some draft busts like every club does, Kane Tenace was a first rounder when Geelong could seemingly do no wrong, but we finally seem capable of identifying genuine talent.
Cast your mind back, Pagan delisted 17 players at the end of his first year at Carlton and only Simon Fletcher was picked up, he subsequently played 8 games at Richmond.
Our current list is nowhere near as hopeless as it was back then and now we actually have 6 or 8 young players of genuine talent as well as another 4 or 5 who will be honest foot soldiers.
We need another decent draft and a couple of astute trades to build our core, but all of this takes time.
Brisbane finished dead last in 1998.