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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #120
Think Lang was part of the money that had to go to Ablett and they couldnt afford him given how tight things are cp wise down at the cattery..

Seems like that is the case, he wanted out because they didn't want him any more, and he was the right "money" for their requirements.
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #121
Geez.

If true the club feels we are in a position to go backwards this year and it’s ok. Cause that’s whats going to happen if we get nothing from Lang. Gibbs will turn into a massive loss.

Then again not as dumb as selecting Mullet. Everyone comments he is a good kick yet his rarely hits a target and usually coughs it up when there is no pressure on him. His kicking is woeful. Hate to see his weakness if kicking is his strength.

And O’Shea and Shaw are other inclusions that make little sense.

He's probably still a welcome addition to our midfield even if it's not his best football.

O'Shea won his chance through his vfl form.  realistically these guys are all insurance picks to give the kids a chop out after trading Gibbs.

Mullet was one of our better performers last night, because we are playing with too many non contributers.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #122
You're promoting different rules for different folks...

Big, big no no....
Not rules, KPIs as in for different positions (at least I'd imagine they would be different).
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #123
Mullet was one of our better performers last night, because we are playing with too many non contributers.

That is why the efforts of Daisy are so damning for our club, good for him, bad for our club.

Daisy is a constant, week in and week out, the others are all over the place in performance!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #124
There is a thought that the Twins need reuniting before they'll come good, should that be at Carlton or Norp?

To do that deal would probably cost one Weitering, a Williamson and say a Polson, or a couple of Kerridge types.

I don't want to give Weitering away just to persuade the kangas to take Harry off our hands.

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #125
Nope.

We got him at a discount because he was damaged goods, and everyone on here can't accept that this might be the case.  He'll come good eventually but Geelong only traded him because their time is now and Lang is set to have a poor 2018.

Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.

If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #126
Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.

If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....

And players from us to other clubs tend to star ::)

Billy Gowers I know is not starring but seems to be doing alright at the Doggies. Playing in the 1's but with us never got a look in. Kane Lambert a Premiership player...
We don't seem to know what players we have, We haven't a nurturing, development culture unlike alot of other clubs. Unusual :o
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #128
Rubbish. He wasn't damaged when he starred in two of Geeelong's finals matches last year.

If anything, it is simply the curse of Carlton - we turn good young (draft) players into spuds and good players from other Clubs into hacks....

Prove me wrong.

Round 5 this week, has he even commenced full training yet??

He's unsighted.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #129
And players from us to other clubs tend to star ::)

Billy Gowers I know is not starring but seems to be doing alright at the Doggies. Playing in the 1's but with us never got a look in. Kane Lambert a Premiership player...
We don't seem to know what players we have, We haven't a nurturing, development culture unlike alot of other clubs. Unusual :o

I find it hard to believe that so many supporters are only seeing this after the media get hold of the concept, do they only trust the word of some celebrity and not their fellow supporters?

It's been forking obvious for almost a decade, and the primary reason many of us here on this forum bang on about player development. Also think about this, how can it be that we can afford to cut obviously capable footballers for is what would be trivial issues. Or others sometimes without them ever being properly tested at the upper level.

We are living beyond our means, we need to squeeze the last drop out of every resource, but instead we throw away the can half full and grab another fresh one from the fridge!

It has to be arrogance, yet what justifies it based on recent history?

As club we must still think our sh1te doesn't stink, but I can tell you we have severe case of Werribee Tan Aroma going on!

It must be so hard for the young blokes not to become depressed, they come to work and are surrounded by death and decay! You can smell the rot!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #130
Bit part players going on to perform bit part roles at other club isn't a sign of much.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #131
Bit part players going on to perform bit part roles at other club isn't a sign of much.

Do you think we have such an excess of capable bit part players that we can discard them?
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Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #132
Do you think we have such an excess of capable bit part players that we can discard them?

Define capable.

Would Gowers be going any better than o Shea?

How was Mitch Robinson on the weekend?
Jeff Garlett?

These guys are better than Gowers and all of them would help us, but let's face it, they'd be struggling with us to make an impact.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #133
Define capable.

You mean like winning a clubs B&F or leading a clubs goal kicking?

In a side that otherwise got smashed, Mitch Robinson was named among the Lions best, BoG by some!

Thry, take off your Navy Blue glasses, our sh1t does stink, and it stinks bad!

We are not perfect and we've made very very very bad decisions in the past for what would seem to be trivial reasons!

We've mistakenly discarded players, and we've mistakenly retained players that are taking us nowhere. The first part of fixing those problems is admitting it happened and may still be happening!
The Force Awakens!

Re: 2018 VFL Rd 2: NBs vs North Melbourne

Reply #134
You mean like winning a clubs B&F or leading a clubs goal kicking?

In a side that otherwise got smashed, Mitch Robinson was named among the Lions best, BoG by some!

Thry, take off your Navy Blue glasses, our sh1t does stink, and it stinks bad!

We are not perfect and we've made very very very bad decisions in the past for what would seem to be trivial reasons!

We've mistakenly discarded players, and we've mistakenly retained players that are taking us nowhere. The first part of fixing those problems is admitting it happened and may still be happening!

Two examples.

Two.  Do you know how many players we've discarded??

They're outliers.  Gowers is going to play a handful of handy games and might become a solid but unspectacular performer for the Bulldogs just like Ed Curnow has for us, or before him Andrew Carrazzo.   They're a dime a dozen and for us they become the main event whilst for others they're side dishes.

Face it LP.   This long bow you are drawing is extremely long and Frankly statistically full of outliers.  For every Mitch Robinson,  or billy Gowers there's a dozen players who's careers are done never to be heard of again.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson