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Title: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2021, 11:02:26 am
Two things after Round 2.
What are two things that have stood out for you after Round 2?

They can be really general things (like I'm about to do) or very specific things relating to an individual player or team aspect.
They can be positive or negative (hopefully more positive as the season progresses.)
(I think we'll struggle a bit when it's 22 things after Round 22, so we'll stop when it gets a bit difficult)

The danger with a thread like this is that a few weeks down the track early perceptions and predictions can come back to bite you on the bum, but we'll give it a go and 'live and die' by any early comments.

I'll start with some really general thoughts...specifically on our drafting trading strategy.

1) The addition and impact of players like Martin, Williams and Saad are an indication that you don't have to go down drastic rebuilds if you target specific needs and be smart with your drafting/trading.

2) The performance of the list management team during the Silvagni years was average at best. I stress the word 'team' because Silvagni would have been relying on the opinions of others with respect to talent identification. Silvagni was very good at acquiring extra picks or better picks...it's what happened with those picks that's the issue.
It seems we found a number of 'good average' players that fitted a role and the thinking was...."OK, We've got that position covered we don't need to worry about that!" rather than looking for better options.
I'm not sure they were out there...it just seems a lot of our positions are filled by B and C players who show a bit from time to time but never really kick it up a level.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: LP on March 26, 2021, 11:11:08 am
1; The general inability of our talls to take advantage of the front position especially in one out contested marking.

2; This new fast game style under the current rules won't persist, it can't persist for two reasons. Firstly, it's chaotic and as such antithetical to the AFL coaching mantra. Secondly, teams will be full of walking wounded by mid-season.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 26, 2021, 11:29:30 am
1. Our midfield isn't as good as we thought.
2. Ruck division is now fully dependent on an injury prone kid with Pittonet handy but unable to compete vs decent rucks for the 2nd time this season and Casboult being next to useless as backup.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: LP on March 26, 2021, 11:35:51 am
Assuming I can post here more than once, I've already posted two negatives so now for two positives;

1; Martin is better than I thought, and the new rules suit him, he is good overhead and he's getting one on one contests that he wins.

2; Our proper smalls like Gibbons and Fogarty are doing better than I had expected, particularly I thought Gibbons might have struggled in very open game styles but his work ethic sees him thriving.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: flyboy77 on March 26, 2021, 11:39:22 am

1. Murphy's either a mid or he's not in the 22.

2. Our Captains need to lead.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: capcom on March 26, 2021, 11:43:10 am
1.  Woeful choices of recruits who choose to spectate, never create.

2.  The massive reduction in club runners activity which (of course) inhibits all coaches to some degree, but appears to penalise the weaker outfits ... I don't like that rule.   
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: cookie2 on March 26, 2021, 01:56:40 pm
Despite the addition of our new talent

1. We don't look any better so far, either defensively or going forward (too many mistakes).

2. We still can't control the tempo of games to our own advantage for 4Qs. We are very much an also-ran team still.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Thryleon on March 26, 2021, 02:26:12 pm
1.  The stand rule is a joke.  When you cannot adjudicate a clean vs dirty disposal what hope does this rule have to achieve anything good.  I noted last night the umpires waved us to play on very quickly (again) and barely called stand when we took a mark.  We are not leveraging this new rule at all.

2.  Levi casboult after 9 years on our the list and a relative lifetime playing footy is being outperformed by an American athlete who is nothing but a tall beanpole and picked up a footy 6 years ago.

Sort out number 2, and we'll unlock why we can't develop players.  Its a joke and it makes us look like a second rate footy club where players improve in spite of us not because of us.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Professer E on March 26, 2021, 02:53:58 pm
1.  Not having a junior ruck project player was a massive list fail.   I wonder where Henry Walsh is at?
2.  Williams aside,  continue to be bitterly disappointed in the ex GWS recruits - they are a significant chunk of the list and contributing F all.
3.  Coaching and development staff remain clueless. I think this is close to our biggest issue.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Thryleon on March 26, 2021, 03:12:18 pm
Just on rucks.  No playing list wants a projrct ruckman with current list sizes.  They take years to come on, and then get massive contracts.  The kids can't compete against mature agers properly, and all that leads to is players leaving as free agents after development.

Better off trading in a specialist who's got a couple years left and is being superceded by a younger better version, or moneyballing a state leaguer who's 25 and battle hardened just needs another shot. 
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 26, 2021, 03:22:16 pm
1.  Not having a junior ruck project player was a massive list fail.   I wonder where Henry Walsh is at?
2.  Williams aside,  continue to be bitterly disappointed in the ex GWS recruits - they are a significant chunk of the list and contributing F all.
3.  Coaching and development staff remain clueless. I think this is close to our biggest issue.
Wasnt sold on Williams either...started well but 20 possies @50%DE isnt what we paid for .
Cut him some slack in his first game for sure but I think he has probably realized playing in the middle with us is going to be a lot tougher than cruising half back for GWS.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 26, 2021, 03:24:18 pm
Just on rucks.  No playing list wants a projrct ruckman with current list sizes.  They take years to come on, and then get massive contracts.  The kids can't compete against mature agers properly, and all that leads to is players leaving as free agents after development.

Better off trading in a specialist who's got a couple years left and is being superceded by a younger better version, or moneyballing a state leaguer who's 25 and battle hardened just needs another shot. 
Tick for the Bulldogs with Stef Martin.......
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: cookie2 on March 26, 2021, 04:31:24 pm
Tick for the Bulldogs with Stef Martin.......

And he got very good clearance stats for the Dogs.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 26, 2021, 04:40:26 pm
1. Nothing has changed, 9 years of 0-2.
2. Liddle and co taking the knives out the sheaths as we speak.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: kruddler on March 26, 2021, 05:38:51 pm
1. Football is a game of chess. We have all the right pieces, just not using them to their maximum advantage. This includes players in the 2's or players on the injury list.
2. Said it in the in-game, but Saad is worth every bit of the pick 8 we gave up for him. It was a game that had mistakes, but his 'road runner' ability to get it and take off and dodge obstacles along the way is something only a handful of players in the game can do.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 26, 2021, 06:45:16 pm
1. Football is a game of chess. We have all the right pieces, just not using them to their maximum advantage. This includes players in the 2's or players on the injury list.
2. Said it in the in-game, but Saad is worth every bit of the pick 8 we gave up for him. It was a game that had mistakes, but his 'road runner' ability to get it and take off and dodge obstacles along the way is something only a handful of players in the game can do.
Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Thryleon on March 26, 2021, 09:13:35 pm
Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.


We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: capcom on March 26, 2021, 09:38:52 pm
To be real about it, we made a massive mistake in flicking Ratten and signing on with an author of no particular note. 
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 26, 2021, 11:22:02 pm
We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
      
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Lods on March 26, 2021, 11:33:02 pm

A couple of those clubs have stuck with their coaches through a rough period and come out the other side.
If you're a successful club you won't go through coaches at a great rate.
If you're an unsuccessful club the changes will occur more often.

Are clubs successful because they stick with a coach or is it because they're successful they don't swing the changes so often?
It's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' argument.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Thryleon on March 27, 2021, 12:05:19 am
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches
Haw   4                         2
Rich   3                         4
Geel   3                         2
Bris      3                         4                         
WC      2                         3
Syd      2                         3
PA      1                         4
WB      1                         5
Coll      1                         2
      
Ade      0                         6
Car      0                         6
Ess      0                         6
Freo   0                         5
GC      0                         4
GWS   0                         2
Melb   0                         5
NM      0                         5
StK      0                         6

Wow its more telling than I thought.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Thryleon on March 27, 2021, 12:06:56 am
A couple of those clubs have stuck with their coaches through a rough period and come out the other side.
If you're a successful club you won't go through coaches at a great rate.
If you're an unsuccessful club the changes will occur more often.

Are clubs successful because they stick with a coach or is it because they're successful they don't swing the changes so often?
It's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' argument.

Theres definitely an element of both but a bog ordinary side well drilled will always look better than a talented side that aren't well drilled (gws as reference point).
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: townsendcalling on March 27, 2021, 08:57:30 am
1.   Curnow either heavy tags or he’s out.
2.  Play Setterfield in the guts or he is out. He’s not a wingman!!
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Baggers on March 27, 2021, 10:09:01 am
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches
Haw   4                         2
Rich   3                         4
Geel   3                         2
Bris      3                         4                         
WC      2                         3
Syd      2                         3
PA      1                         4
WB      1                         5
Coll      1                         2
      
Ade      0                         6
Car      0                         6
Ess      0                         6
Freo   0                         5
GC      0                         4
GWS   0                         2
Melb   0                         5
NM      0                         5
StK      0                         6

Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2021, 12:48:36 pm
1.   Curnow either heavy tags or he’s out.
2.  Play Setterfield in the guts or he is out. He’s not a wingman!!
Both out of form and should be dropped this week.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2021, 12:51:58 pm
Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Ratts = Successful Clarkson Factory
Teague = Broken Adelaide Factory
Any wonder they have passed us so fast we have wind burn, well played Blues.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 27, 2021, 01:26:39 pm
Pretty interesting stuff, to say the least. Good research, GTC Old Son.

Be interesting to break down these figures even further into, Years As Finalist... Number of Coaches.

Adelaide could have won a premiership and lost a coach through tragic circumstances... a coach who'd probably still be there if not for that.

Constancy sure does help continuity and building cohesion/culture. But we've had the same assistant coaches for years now and I notice clubs with the same senior coach for an extended period regularly 'refresh' the assistant coach ranks.

It took 6 goes, but I suspect the Aints have found their man. I watched the short video on the AFL website featuring Ratts... really interesting stuff re player feedback and Ratts' approach and approachability. He's learned much over his journey and already had a good base to build upon, in regard to his understanding of the game and a natural high strategic intelligence.
Your wish is my command Baggers
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
     
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: shawny on March 27, 2021, 01:58:46 pm
Have seen enough of LOB and Dow to put a line through them. Would take a massive turnaround for those 2 to turn into the sort of player we thought we would when we selected them which is a massive fail.

Kennedy and Cunningham are on their last chance and while i rate Cunningham as a player with the tools to make it but he just doesn’t want it enough and will likely fall on this own sword come years end.

Williamson, Cottrell, Setterfield, marchbank and McGovern haven’t lived up to expectations either and while I’m willing to give them more time I would be surprised if they made it into the players we thought they will.

Add in last seasons/likely departures of casboult, Murphy and Betts and again we seem to be having to make way too many forced changes at years end considering where our list should be! 
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Baggers on March 27, 2021, 02:36:15 pm
Your wish is my command Baggers  :))  :))  :)) You're a bloody ripper, GTC, a bloody ripper, good friend... :))  :))  :))
Last 20 years
           Premierships     No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw   4                         2                                 11
Rich   3                         4                                 8
Geel   3                         2                                 15
Bris      3                         4                                 7
WC      2                         3                                 14
Syd      2                         3                                 16
PA      1                         4                                 10
WB      1                         5                                 8
Coll      1                         2                                 13
     
Ade      0                         6                                 12
Car      0                         6                                 5
Ess      0                         6                                 9
Freo   0                         5                                 7
GC      0                         4                                 0
GWS   0                         2                                 4
Melb   0                         5                                 5
NM      0                         5                                 8
StK      0                         6                                 8
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Baggers on March 27, 2021, 02:46:26 pm
Looks at the Premiership returns % for years as a finalist for:
Dawks
Pussycats
Brisvegas &
Tiggers... All pretty darn impressive.

But then look at the Premiership % returns for years as a finalist for:
Adelaide, Rottingwood & cheats.com.au   :o  :o

Then check out the cultures, particularly at the Dawks, Pussycats and Tiggers! (Brisvegas got an almighty leg up from the AFL).
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Lods on March 27, 2021, 04:18:44 pm
Kennedy and Cunningham are on their last chance and while i rate Cunningham as a player with the tools to make it but he just doesn’t want it enough and will likely fall on this own sword come years end.

I'd like to see how Cunningham goes in a game with some of the rule changes.
It might suit him...but you're right, not many chances left.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: LP on March 27, 2021, 04:20:12 pm
I worry guys like Kennedy and Cottrell won't get much opportunity under these rules, despite being good footballers they haven't got the leg speed for this open play style we are seeing.

But having said that, look at young SoJ, not blessed with speed but made it work anyway, heart like Phar Lap!
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: LoveNavy on March 27, 2021, 07:44:36 pm
1. Early signs from: Martin, Saad, Williams, and Fogarty are good 🤞

2. Early signs from many of our own draftees not so good. Not ideal, but has at least created a form of depth and competition for spots 🤞
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: northernblue on March 27, 2021, 09:28:26 pm
We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.

I was thinking very similar during the woods v dogs game, Collingwood for all their perceived faults and weaknesses are well drilled, cohesive and heavy bodied.
They do go forward with system (how good a system is the question) but look at us on Thursday, how many “battling” goals did we kick...? Probably 1/2 of them !

For whatever reason (I think) the last time we were truely cohesive and systematic was under Ratten, probably... but on Thursday night we had Saad & Fogarty playing their 2nd and Williams 1st games, Martin starting his second season and a 50 gamer playing kpf.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Milhanna13 on March 27, 2021, 10:37:11 pm

They do go forward with system (how good a system is the question) but look at us on Thursday, how many “battling” goals did we kick...? Probably 1/2 of them !

Great point.  You take Gibbons 2 out of his a$$ out of it, and a few other scrappy goals... and what did we actually “create”.   Martin lead and marked a few times, H lead and marked maybe once or twice, aside from that, they were all scrappy.   So, maybe once or twice a quarter we actually went forward and looked like we meant it!

“Disconnect” between mid and fwd has been mentioned as nauseam, but had anything been done about it?
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 27, 2021, 10:46:45 pm
Collingwood have a makeshift forward line with a rookie bean pole American soccer player at FF and VFL defender Mihocek as their other KP forward. Elliott went off injured and was replaced by another big name in Ruscoe. DeGoey is a mid by trade forced to play forward due to their lack
of options and Sidebottom ditto.
Not exactly world class or settled imo, we just were terrible down back led by Plowman who had about 7 goals kicked on him.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: northernblue on March 27, 2021, 10:56:22 pm
Collingwood have a makeshift forward line with a rookie bean pole American soccer player at FF and VFL defender Mihocek as their other KP forward. Elliott went off injured and was replaced by another big name in Ruscoe. DeGoey is a mid by trade forced to play forward due to their lack
of options and Sidebottom ditto.
Not exactly world class or settled imo, we just were terrible down back led by Plowman who had about 7 goals kicked on him.


Nothing wrong with the big yank, he knows his limitations and plays to them.
Plays deep, leads well at the ball carrier, gets it kicked to him well and marks at the highest point and best of all attacks the ball hard, wouldn’t mind one ourselves...

Harry seriously needs to hurt some defenders... got himself smashed again on Thursday, needs to dish a bit out...
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 27, 2021, 11:03:26 pm
Nothing wrong with the big yank, he knows his limitations and plays to them.
Plays deep, leads well at the ball carrier, gets it kicked to him well and marks at the highest point and best of all attacks the ball hard, wouldn’t mind one ourselves...

Harry seriously needs to hurt some defenders... got himself smashed again on Thursday, needs to dish a bit out...

Agree Cox has his uses but if we are struggling with the Pies forwards then we will really struggle vs some of the better teams who have more firepower.
Harry does need more mongrel in his game but I don't think he is that type and more the Joe Daniher type who relies on skills. We need Charlie Curnow back to make Harry more dangerous and take that double team he usually gets off him.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: BluePhantom on March 28, 2021, 09:13:56 am
1. We don't have a system/plan going into our forward line.
2. We don't have a system/plan going into our forward line.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: shawny on March 28, 2021, 09:24:22 am
Nothing wrong with the big yank, he knows his limitations and plays to them.
Plays deep, leads well at the ball carrier, gets it kicked to him well and marks at the highest point and best of all attacks the ball hard, wouldn’t mind one ourselves...

Harry seriously needs to hurt some defenders... got himself smashed again on Thursday, needs to dish a bit out...


I don’t get why Harry needs to change anything. He is not a crash and bash forward but a aerobic running forward in the Nick Riewoldt mold. Casboult on the other hand!

Harry played just his 50th game this week on probably the best backman in the comp and in his one on one contests more then held his own. Kicked 4 and pushed himself harder then the majority of his teammates. I watched him closely this week live and I was very impressed with his workrate and willingness to complete. If we knew how to kick to his advantage the bloke would have had 6.

He’s developing nicely imo. And rivals teams will see it too and he will seeing big offers coming his way.
He has areas of his game that need improving but at the 50 game stage he is one player in not concerned with.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: cookie2 on March 28, 2021, 09:30:11 am
Agree Shawny, he had a couple of brain fades but he still kicked goals and I don't see him as a cause of our woes. We still give the opposition too much space too much of the time and we don't want the ball ourselves anywhere near enough.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2021, 10:09:51 am
1. We don't have a system/plan going into our forward line.
2. We don't have a system/plan going into our forward line.
Speak to Cam Bruce, he is our fwd line coach being such a good fwd himself he should be able to fix it easy. ::)
When we will learn.
Title: Re: Two things after Round 2
Post by: Gointocarlton on March 28, 2021, 10:11:38 am
I don’t get why Harry needs to change anything. He is not a crash and bash forward but a aerobic running forward in the Nick Riewoldt mold. Casboult on the other hand!

Harry played just his 50th game this week on probably the best backman in the comp and in his one on one contests more then held his own. Kicked 4 and pushed himself harder then the majority of his teammates. I watched him closely this week live and I was very impressed with his workrate and willingness to complete. If we knew how to kick to his advantage the bloke would have had 6.

He’s developing nicely imo. And rivals teams will see it too and he will seeing big offers coming his way.
He has areas of his game that need improving but at the 50 game stage he is one player in not concerned with.
Agree, H wasn't our problem Thurs night, Mids and defenders got poleaxed.
I have had quite a few neutral supporters tell me in the last few days that the H - Moore battle was a cracker.