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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
None of the other 'midfield' players played KP, so not sure why you bring that up, i think it hurts your argument more than helps it.

Kemp gets beaten by taller opponents....and by stronger opponents......does that not clearly point to the fact that is because is not a KPP? He doesn't have the size or strength to play there and be effective. Rather, he plays there because he is the best we've got at any given time, but is largely undersized.

Young is a better matchup, because he is an actual KPP. I think the 'errors' made by Young playing that role vs the 'errors' by Kemp playing that role mean that Kemp is the better player to have in the side.....even if it means you sacrifice some ability against the taller opponents that he'll be beaten one on one with. Mostly due to the fact that Young makes some silly errors that almost directly cost us goals.

To summarise, just because a player is played in a position, doesn't mean he is right for that position. If all our 190cm players got injured, someone would still have to play as a ruck on game day.....but just because we've shoehorned someone into that position, doesn't mean he is a genuine ruck. Same with Kemp, Marchbank......as KPPs.

Kemp and Young did OK against Daniher and Hipwood and Lynch and Balta.  They would probably do OK against Larkey and Coleman-Jones.  Weitering and Kemp would be a better combination and Weitering and Young an even better combination.

Against other key forward pairs, Weitering and Kemp might be a better defensive combination than Weitering and Young.  When you have several KPDs with different attributes, you can have a horses for courses approach.  With the North game, Kemp would probably be our best match up for Zurhaar.  McGovern could do the job but at the expense of his intercept marking and helping out the KPDs.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Elijah Hollands is available after his cocaine holiday (Will he have any niggling injuries that cause him to miss games? I suspect not.). I don’t think he did enough to warrant selection and I don’t think he would necessarily be an improvement over any of our current mids/forwards.  I think that Binns would be ahead of Lij in the pecking order.

Motlop must be close to an automatic in, provided he is impressing at training.  Fantasia is probably most at risk of losing his spot and I can’t see small Durdin in the 22.

I’d say Weitering and Motlop in for Boyd and Fantasia so expect something completely different  🙂

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/brodie-kemp/One mans opinion, sure, but shared by plenty of others.

Not sure how many 'midfield extractors' are classed as KPD's a year later.

Despite the size difference and despite my own personal opinion on the matter, i'd still prefer to play Weitering and Kemp over Weitering and Young.

Only way kemp will be defeated is if our team defence fails and he's left 1-on-1 with his taller opponent with no chance to jump at the ball.

Young on the other hand could be defeated by his opponent a number of ways.

Kemp played a couple of games in the midfield as a junior, that's it.  SOS said that Kemp could play midfield when he was drafted, but he said that about Plowman, Marchbank, Stocker, and others.  Despite the 'midfield extractor' tag, Kemp has played all of his football for us as a KPP.

Kemp does get beaten by taller opponents in one on one contests - Gawn in the semi - and by stronger opponents like Balta.  He also loses contests when he attempts to mark rather than spoil.   Young is more conservative and is happy to kill the contest if there's doubt about the outcome.  Young is a better match up for Larkey and Coleman-Kones than Kemp is, and I would play both, regardless of whether Weitering is in the team.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
If the club doesn't think McGovern is a KPD, why when he came back through the VFL a couple of seasons ago did they play him in the ruck?

What has playing in the ruck in the VFL got to do with being a KPD? 

McGovern is not a key defender.  The way our defence is structured means that he will occasionally stand an opposition KPF ... but so does Saad, Boyd and Newman.  McGovern plays a similar role to Tom Stewart, an intercept defender, and usually picks up a medium forward.  McGovern played on Darcy Gardiner, Cam Rayner, Josh Dunkley, etc against Brisbane and not on Daniher and Hipwood.  He played on Martin against Richmond, not Lynch or Balta.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Isn't this the discussion we were having in the other thread? Kemp and McGovern are good at filling in as a KPP but are not actually KPPs.

I don’t consider McGovern to be a KPD and the club doesn’t either.  He’s in the team for his intercept marking and ability to help the KPDs.

Kemp is a KPD but, like many of the KPDs who try to play on Harry McKay, he struggles against very tall opponents.  It’s simply a matter of selecting the KPDs best able to play on the opposition KPFs.  North have two very tall KPFs, one of whom is a very good footballer.  I’d play Weitering on Larkey and Young on Coleman-Jones.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
As i stated, i'm not saying they are the perfect stat, but if you want a rough guide on what players are doing that most supporters are not taking notice of, the pressure act stat is a good example. As mentioned, a player with a lot of pressure acts is clearly applying more pressure than a player with very little. You could argue individual numbers if you wish, but thats missing the point.

re Amy Winehouse....i did say its my opinion. Others can differ and thats fine.

I find it difficult to have sympathy for someone boasting about not going to rehab....and then dying because of it.

.....and i'm a huge Nirvana fan, so i understand some similarities with Kurt Cobain.

Last season Zac Fisher wasn’t laying tackles but his pressure acts were high.  He was dropped…
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Cottrells first two games this year doesn't indicate he has improved from last year but he is not alone on that.
Fogarty, Harry, Charlie have started the year well and above the personal best averages...Hollands, Cottrell, Owies, Cunningham way down and struggling to put teams away due to their below average output..

And that’s where Vossy and the MC would disagree with you; Cottrell and his mates are doing exactly what’s required of them. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Zuton factor - Pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure pressure
Amy Winehouse.....thats what you take out of this?

Personally couldn't give a stuff about her and her wasted life.

However, you want to argue about pressure stats now. As usual you misunderstand the point of them. Its a guide, a reference a relative measure.
It doesn't matter how accurate they are as they are as accurate for one player as they are for another player. If one player has heaps and another player doesn't, guess who provided more pressure?

That's a bit rough on Amy and those who appreciated her immense talent.

The thing with pressure acts is that they're nebulous.  As Matty Cottrell's comment implies, the people who matter at footy clubs value some player actions that many spectators - and commentators - may not even notice.  Some of those actions may be pressure acts, some may not.  Some pressure acts may be valued by coaches and MCs, many will not be.

Take Ollie Hollands' two spoils against Lynch, one of which resulted in clean possession to Hollands and a rebound 50.  I think I can safely assume that Vossy would be rapt with those two efforts.  He wouldn't be quite so happy with Cuners taking his opponent to the boundary line, then stopping because he thought the ball was out (it was, but the boundary umpire was unsighted).  Cuners is credited with a pressure act but his opponent gets balanced and kicks the ball downfield without any pressure.