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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
FWIW, i'm not suggesting i would drop Fogarty, but nobody has even mentioned his name in terms of small forwards.

Everyone talking about the pressure he provides, and that shouldn't go unnoticed.
However, in the same breathe people are suggesting Cuningham should/could make way.....despite the fact he has had more pressure acts than Fogarty and every other small forward we have.

So if its good enough for fogarty, why not cunners?

Fogarty and Cuningham have different roles to Motlop, Durdin, Owies and Fantasia.  They are forwards/midfielders rather than small forwards … and both have performed that role well so far this season.

I guess the bloke pressing them for a spot will be Elijah Hollands, but he has to get some runs on the board first.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
From the Hun.
The former Blue had 17 kicks against the Giants, but five of them resulted in a direct turnover.

Familiar territory for Fish; zero tackles and seven clangers.

Whoever gets him next week will be primed to exploit his poor defensive work while limiting his run out of defence.

It will be sad to see Fish in North colours though.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Fantasia is a footballer. 

He does a few little things that show his aptitude as a player.  For me the important hole he fills is a leadership one for the younger small forwards.  Durdin and motlop might learn a bit off him.  It's intangible.  We'll see how he goes, but im not writing him off yet.

Nailed it Thry!

Fantasia is a newby in our team, he has just played his hundredth game and and has hardly played since leaving Essendon.  Why then is he the one who is most vocal during the forwards’ team meetings and who makes a point of talking to Harry before he has a shot for goal?  He is a footballer with plenty of nous and a message for his teammates.

I’ve mentioned his two goal assists against Brisbane.  Then there’s his missed set shot and snap against Richmond; nine times out of ten, he scores goals from those opportunities.

Even if he spends most of the season in the VFL, he can have a positive impact on our players and our fortunes.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Moneyball pick, came for free, can fill a role when needed.

And for all of his poor kicking, he managed to deliver the ball lace out for two goal assists against Brisbane.

I watched a replay of the Richmond game today and it was interesting to see how much time Fantasia spent in defence.  He did miss a few targets by hand, but was in heavy traffic and/or being slung/tackled.

I don’t think he has been anywhere near as bad as some folk like to think … particularly when he cost us nothing and provides cover for our first choice small forwards.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
One thing i did notice, was that our handball game looked fantastic (linking in chains, and good exits from the contest),  but our field kicking was woeful

I don't know if there's a statistic for handball chains but we certainly used them to good effect.  It's becoming a feature of modern footy and I think we're leading the way.

I thought that our field kicking was OK, and better than Richmond's, but we had several players whose kicking was really off, eg Saad, Williams, Curnow, Owies, Fantasia.  The other side of the coin is that McGovern, Young, Kemp, Newman, Cerra, Cuningham and Fogarty used the ball really well.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
How many of Young's 16 marks were contested or intercept marks compared with short pass-uncontested marks provided by teammates?

Young had one contested mark as did McGovern.  Kemp had two.  Young had five contested possessions, McGovern had eight and Kemp had six.  Young made six spoils, Kemp five and McGovern made two.  Kemp and Young both had seven intercepts, McGovern had nine.

If Young's teammates lack confidence in him, why would they short pass to him?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Weiters for all his attributes is not a dasher, if Young stays in then one of McGovern or kemp goes out… therefore attack is reduced

But Weiters enables rebounding from defence by his individual defensive efforts, his defensive generalship, his ability to be a target when we get possession and his creative use of the ball.  Weiters may not run and carry himself but he enables his teammates to run and carry.

There's no point having an attacking defender if he can't beat his opponent and Kemp will struggle against Larkey or Coleman-Jones and Treacy or Amiss the following round.  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
I don't want to start this whole debate again, but you are proving my point. He 'hits the scoreboard'....Its a bit of an exageration of his efforts. He only averages a goal every 3 games.
Mitch McGovern averages almost a goal a game and he's been played in defence for half his career.
Silvagni averages 3 goals every 4 games.
Cripps averages over half a goal a game.

People remember the good things he does, but remember them happening more than they actually do. His actual output has been relatively poor considering the hype.
Thats why i come across as negative, because i point out he hasn't been as good as people say. Showing potential, absolutely. Not maximising it......yet.

Two thirds of Mitch's goals came from his three years as a forward with the Crows.  Exclude those three years and he averages less than one goal every two games and he played as a forward in at least half of those games.  That's one of the reasons he was moved to defence.  De Koning averages around one goal every three games, playing as a ruckman.  Max Gawn has to be one of the best goal kicking ruckmen and he averages around one goal every two games.  But then, Gawn doesn't have the likes of Charlie and Harry dominating the goal kicking.

The thing is that when Tom does go forward, he is a genuine scoring threat and the opposition have to send their ruckman or a key defender to him.  That makes life easier for our forwards.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
I don't get any knocks on TDK... coming along nicely.

Still concerned with Hollands... yes, fantastic at 'pressure acts', first rate, but still seems to fumble with his offensive game. Yep, just a kid, too light and is learning, and maybe what he is doing at present is exactly what the coaches want from him, but I'd like to see him develop being dangerous with aggott in hand.

And I'm not in the pumping up Young group. Yep, doing a job, and doing it adequately. Does look better than last year but is that just feint praise? (Threw that in for you, Ye Rat O' the River  ;)  ;D  - sorry folks, its an 'in joke' between us). What One of the things that Young lacks is authority, which Weiters has in spades (yeah, yeah I know comparisons are unfair on Young... but the bottom line is that Weiters brings a great deal to our defense, and with him there, our defense is at its best which is what we want - our best).

I would say admirably rather than adequately.

Young has been our only tall key defender in both games.  In Round Zero, he had Daniher, Hipwood and, occasionally, McInerney to contend with.  Daniher managed 14 disposals and one goal and Hipwood had 9 disposals and one goal.  Young had 14 disposals, took 6 marks and made 7 spoils.  Of course, Young is part of a defensive unit and he relies on his fellow defenders for assistance just as he leaves his man to provide assistance when required.

Young played mostly on Lynch in Round One and, yes, you could argue that Lynch was underdone but he is still one of the premier key forwards in the game.  Lynch had 10 disposals and kicked two goals, both from soft free kicks (one against De Koning).  Young had 17 disposals (at 94%), took 10 marks and made six spoils.  Again, Young was ably supported by his teammates in defence, including our wingers.

Lynch's stats could have been a lot better if it hadn't been for Hollands covering some distance to spoil Lynch's marking attempts on at least two occasions.  On one of those occasions, Hollands got clean possession and rebounded from our defensive 50.  Yes, Ollie looks a little fumbly at times but he's in the team because of the effort he makes to get to contests and affect the outcome.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Interesting discussion on the wireless:

A field umpire cannot use the score review process to determine whether a free kick should be paid.

The goal umpire called Charlie’s goal attempt a behind.  The reviewer determined that it was “umpire’s call”, ie a behind.  The point should stand and should be restored to our score (my conclusion).
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Problem with Young playing alongside Wieters is that we lose run and creativity big time.
Young’s best is dour, do you really want to drop McGovern or Kemp ?
In modern football EVERYONE must be willing and able to create and run one failure and the whole team starts to flounder.

Why do we lose run and creativity with Young and Weitering playing together?

Yes, we have to lose one of our medium defenders (most likely Kemp as he is playing as the second key defender) but we still have an abundance of run and creativity with those that remain.  Weitering is the key to our defensive run and creativity.  He may not do much running but his positioning and ball use creates opportunities; his kick across the ground to Hollands in the Melbourne game is a prime example.

I think that a backline of Weitering, Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams and Kemp/Boyd has more run and creativity than a backline of Young, McGovern, Newman, Saad, Williams, Kemp and Boyd.  It would also be a stronger defence with the ability to counter two genuine key forwards.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Yeah, if Young was our main man you’d be nervous but he’s designed to be a stand in or accomplice for Weiters, he’s doing ok in Weiters absence.
Will he hold his place when Weiters is fit…?

I reckon he will.

As I wrote above, Weitering's presence helps all of our defenders and Young will have the added benefit of not standing the opposition's best tall forward for most of the game.

As much as I like Kemp, it's a huge ask for him to stand the likes of Nick Larkey or Coleman-Jones.  You need gorilla minders to play on the gorillas and, on this year's form, Young is up to the task.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
A first for me too. If he didn't get his foot to it, it was unfortunately a free kick.

And Charlie is adamant that he did get a boot to the ball 🤔

I know that there’s often a rush of blood in that situation, and there’s the desire to avoid the pressure of a set shot; as per the Sheriff against Melbourne.  However, game awareness should mean taking the set shot after milking 30 seconds from the clock.