NORTHERN BLUES v. FOOTSCRAY
Round 11 – 15/06/2019 1300
IKON Park
Northern Blues
B: 77. M. Blakey, 51. A. Johnson, 19. A. Schumacher
HB: 46. M. Cottrell, 45. H. Goddard, 26. H. Macreadie
C: 69. S. Fisher, 16. D. Lang, 21. J. Garlett
HF: 29. C. Polson, 12. T. De Koning, 1. J. Silvagni
F: 32. A. Fasolo, 36. P. Kerr, 53. J. Palmer
R: 27. M. Lobbe, 55. J. O’Rourke, 7. M. Kennedy
Int: 80. K. Keppel, 42. K. LeBois, 38. F. O’Dwyer, 44. M. Owies, 34. A. Phillips, 37. B. Silvagni, 52. M. Stavrou, 54. J. Velissaris
23P: 65. S. Brazier
In: J. Velissaris, J. Silvagni, D. Lang, K. Keppel, M. Stavrou
Out: F. Anderson
Footscray
B: 50. J. Prudden, 2. L. Young, 37. R. Smith
HB: 15. T. Duryea, 18. F. Roberts, 40. L. Young
C: 32. W. Hayes, 28. C. Porter, 20. E. Richards
HF: 25. B. Cavarra, 13. J. Schache, 23. L. Vandermeer
F: 51. N. Drummond, 67. J. Wallis, 24. B. Khamis
R: 41. J. Sweet, 14. R. West, 56. A. Scott
Int: 58. G. Gleeson, 64. J. Hayes, 66. R. McComb, 61. L. Nash, 63. T. Short, 53. L. Sullivan, 57. D. Viojo-Rainbow, 55. R. William
23P: 76. A. Trusler
On now by the looks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg4BZp3JEjA
cheers Jeza.
Bulldogs lead by a couple of points. They have had the bulk of the play and missed a couple of sitters.
Owies looks like he's reading the play well and has 2 nice goals.
Finnbar's mark from a superb i50 by Kennedy results in our 3rd for q1.
Owies has now kicked 3. A lot more involved today around the ground too.
Nice run, bounce, and pinpoint pass by Faz to Owies.
Owies composed kicks his 3rd.
Our i50 entries are very decent compared to bulldogs.
Owies' form is probably why we didn't LTI Pickett and thus use a 2nd mid-season draft pick.
This way we can elevate and play Owies in the ones.
No elevation needed these days (as far as I know).
His form has been miles of AFL level. 8 or 9 disposals a week.
No elevation needed these days (as far as I know).
His form has been miles of AFL level. 8 or 9 disposals a week.
He is a category b rookie (international or code jumper) so rules for them are different.
He is a category b rookie (international or code jumper) so rules for them are different.
Ah yes - that rings a bell. Regardless - his form has been miles off so I'd be surprised if that's what drove that decision.
Blues getting crapped on now. 20 scoring shots to 6. 24 point margin.
gee, they look VERY disinterested today!!
This is about as one sided as footy gets. They literally cannot find a teammate..... at all.
It's like the Dogs have 40 players on the field.
They should be 100 points down. Nearing half time.
Wow, what a f.....g rabble :o
24 shots to 6.
Hmmmm.
Garlett is a complete spud......
Schumacher another turnover merchant.....
Lang and Ben Silvagni are just oxygen thieves.
Kennedy has got a few touches but doesnt influence games.
Fasalo..one good pass but not much else..
Owies looks a neat player but not sure about senior material, TDK is promising, Fisher gets a lot of ball but doesnt hurt the opposition much...
Goddard has been ok, Lobbe ok as well...
4.2 v 7.18
Our midfield is not working well at all ????
Geez. Rapid deterioration from staying with them in q1. To being left in their dust q2.
Our few good i50 entries didn't last. Now we're chasing them, not looking like getting it i50. :-[ :-[
Not much to like q2.
No sign of much pressure for spots at this point either.
Lang jogging when he could pressure ball carrier????
Is he injured?
Jack trying to drag back some ascendancy
Owies set shot goal gives him 5 th 3q time
GOALS: Owies 5, J. Silvagni 2, O'Dwyer.
DISPOSALS: Kennedy 19, Lang 19, Fisher 18, Silvagni 15, Blakey 14, Goddard 13.
Lang and Ben Silvagni are just oxygen thieves.
Ignorant comment. Young kid who should be building body and confidence in a development team, but that pathway was scraped. ‘Oxygen thief’ aimed at a young kid just starting out is very harsh.
gee, they look VERY disinterested today!!
Time for a new VFL coach?
It is all over. We were thrashed. Lack of run around the packs. Polson wouldn't have helped.
Garlett is a complete spud......
Schumacher another turnover merchant.....
Lang and Ben Silvagni are just oxygen thieves.
Kennedy has got a few touches but doesnt influence games.
Fasalo..one good pass but not much else..
Owies looks a neat player but not sure about senior material, TDK is promising, Fisher gets a lot of ball but doesnt hurt the opposition much...
Goddard has been ok, Lobbe ok as well...
Oxygen theives? I usually use that term for the scum of society not footballers trying to have a crack and do their best.
Jack for Murphy and Jack back next week for someone else...
We don't have a lot of depth :(
Northern Blues
10.7 (67) 3.2 1.0 4.2 2.3
Footscray
17.19 (121) 3.5 4.12 3.1 7.1
We weren't in the same ballpark.
Hard to comprehend we're paying some of those players to job jog around :-\
Ignorant comment. Young kid who should be building body and confidence in a development team, but that pathway was scraped. ‘Oxygen thief’ aimed at a young kid just starting out is very harsh.
Both lazy, both dont chase and I'll call it like it is, if you want to be weak and not call out players because their old man is a legend then be my guest...building your body doesnt mean lack of effort or jogging behind players pretending you are trying.
Ben's attitude is his problem , Owies wants it, gets better each week and plays with intent, if we want to get better we need to get rid of players who wont go hard
and get some who do and play like their life depends on it.
So sick and tired of supporters with Navy Blue glasses on who make excuses for lack of effort when there are kids out there who would cut off their arm to play AFL footy...its not a birth right, you have to earn it. Jack goes about it the right way and Ben should follow his lead...
As for Lang the sooner he is cut from the list the better, as someone else suggested just
jogs around looking the easy kick with no second efforts.....ditto Garlett who has a good look before he involves himself and then if its too hard waits for another sucker to do the heavy lifting...
Tom Wilson is really missed, gives effort and shows the way in terms of intent, not the most talented but even at 176cm/76kg you know he will chase, tackle and give effort....
Garrett should have been shown the door weeks ago, because he clearly CBF. Lang is the same. Wants to be back at Barwon Heads sucking piss and surfing with his mates.
This attitude is a deadset cancer and has to be eradicated ASAP.
Garrett should have been shown the door weeks ago, because he clearly CBF. Lang is the same. Wants to be back at Barwon Heads sucking piss and surfing with his mates.
This attitude is a deadset cancer and has to be eradicated ASAP.
A cancer?
A cancer?
What has Peter Garrett done anyway?
A cancer?
I know what he means.
It becomes infectious.
Players turn up get paid, do the minimum knowing they're a support act not the main event and rather than make the most of it, they take the Mickey out of everyone.
The behaviour spreads to other fringe players and before you know it, half your list is just going, and the other half are trying their guts out to raise standards. In between are the kids that haven't worked out how good they will be and are having to work harder than they ever have before and wonder if it's all worth the trouble.
What has Peter Garrett done anyway?
Got himself a decent pension and some free travel for the rest of his life....and been a setback for his country in terms of dance style.
if you want to be weak and not call out players because their old man is a legend then be my guest...
Ignorant AND presumptuous!!!!
Got himself a decent pension and some free travel for the rest of is life....and been a setback for his country in terms of dance style.
;D
Means well but utterly clueless about realities once the black stuff ends and the dirt starts.
Bloody auto-correct. If somebody could tell me how to turn it off I'd appreciate it.
I cannot see Lang or Garlett surviving the cull at the end of the year.
I can't see Macreadie surviving either. Since his injury he has really struggled. He was pretty good early, but he is really struggling.
I cannot see Lang or Garlett surviving the cull at the end of the year.
I can't see Macreadie surviving either. Since his injury he has really struggled. He was pretty good early, but he is really struggling.
Agree. Add Fasolo and Polson to that list. Both are gone.
Kennedy is the one i am most concerned with. Cant get a decent run at it and you would think he is the type of player we need. He is the type of player we should be playing in the guts to the years end. Give this guy the second half of the year and don’t drop him. Need to be a call on him as well at seasons end.
Can’t keep a list spot for players that are very very unlikely to make it. Don’t have that luxury.
Agree. Add Fasolo and Polson to that list. Both are gone.
Kennedy is the one i am most concerned with. Cant get a decent run at it and you would think he is the type of player we need. He is the type of player we should be playing in the guts to the years end. Give this guy the second half of the year and don’t drop him. Need to be a call on him as well at seasons end.
Can’t keep a list spot for players that are very very unlikely to make it. Don’t have that luxury.
Been superceded by setterfield.
Time to move on. He was a gamble that didnt pay off.
Given we paid a first rounder for him, cutting him would be viewed as a catastrophic fail.
Given we paid a first rounder for him, cutting him would be viewed as a catastrophic fail.
Kennedy was traded for pick #28 straight swap.
I wouldn't mind trying him in a Josh Caddy type role. He takes a good mark for his size.
The thing holding him back is he's not big enough physically. To play his role he needs to hit the gym bigtime.
This thread has really turned dark. It appears to me that the haters on this site are frustrated by the improved performances of carlton and have turned their ire towards the northern blues. Calling players oxygen thieves and cancers is disgraceful and people should have a good hard look at themselves, particularly when these comments are directed at first year player.
I have Lang down as a fail but I notice he is in our best players. I also don't understand why there is no positive comments about Owies 5 goals and the performance of Jack.
I read the threads on the northern blues to get some idea on how the players are developing as I cant get to these games not to read the rantings of the disaffected.
I understand your concerns but I believe you have misread the situation.
I used the term cancer to encapsulate the effect that a poor attitude has on team culture. It starts with one player who can't be bothered, then others start going at less than full bore, and so on. And thus this toxic attitude spreads like a cancer and destroys any chance of team success.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anybody.
I've seen it happen at club level, and we've seen it happen at Carlton. Ever wonder why Henderson was told to clean out his locker three weeks before the end of the season?
I have an association with Preston and it's direct feeder clubs and it pains me at a deep level when I see blokes representing my club going at half rat power and not giving a toss. If that offends some people, fine, but when you've worn the colours it really means something to me. EB also comes from the NE area and believe me, he doesn't like blokes abusing the privilege of representing the area either.
BTW, I know the Owies family are more than pleased with what Carlton has done with Matt and as shown by the weekend, he is very coach able and learns fast.
This thread has really turned dark. It appears to me that the haters on this site are frustrated by the improved performances of carlton and have turned their ire towards the northern blues. Calling players oxygen thieves and cancers is disgraceful and people should have a good hard look at themselves, particularly when these comments are directed at first year player.
I have Lang down as a fail but I notice he is in our best players. I also don't understand why there is no positive comments about Owies 5 goals and the performance of Jack.
I read the threads on the northern blues to get some idea on how the players are developing as I cant get to these games not to read the rantings of the disaffected.
I get what the Prof is saying that he doesnt want lack of effort and bad habits spreading through the team especially to younger players, we are long time Blues/Bullants supporters and lack of effort is something that we both find very frustrating. On the other thread I did say oxygen thieves was probably a but harsh but watching players not making any effort regardless of age or size isnt acceptable when you pull on a Carlton jumper, chasing/tackling is something any player can do regardless if you are Tom Wilson or Ben Silvagni. Ben jogged after Rueben William from the Dogs like he couldnt be bothered and that got me annoyed as he is a senior listed Carlton player who should be thinking how lucky am I to be playing the game and having the opportunities I have but like his TAC form he realy just switches on and off when he likes. I did comment that his brother Jack is the opposite, gives great effort and works hard to earn his right each week to pull on the jumper and I also said that young Owies gets better each week and plays with intensity like he really wants to be an AFL footballer and doesnt just expect it just to happen which unfortunately Ben does.
If Ben had played for the old Preston with a coach like Harold Martin he would have been dragged and told exactly what was required , his attitude needs to change if he wants to make a career in the AFL.
An 18 year old has a bad game and you start personally abusing him. My understanding is that for a late 70's pick, he has been going okay in his first year of senior football.
An 18 year old has a bad game and you start personally abusing him. My understanding is that for a late 70's pick, he has been going okay in his first year of senior football.
I criticized his lack of effort along with Darcy Lang and probably chose the wrong phrase ie oxygen thief...my mistake but that doesnt excuse lack of effort.
Why does being a pick 70 excuse you from chasing a player running into goal? Lack of four quarter application was his problem at TAC and he was very lucky to get drafted in the end, did you ever actually watch him play?
Lack of effort has been a thing I have always measured a players potential. Sure skills are a fantastic thing, but without effort and real work ethic, you are very limited to your true game contribution. We have seen these types come and go at the club.
It's a no-win situation for the club, long term it will take a minor management miracle to keep both SOS and his boys at the club! I've no confidence!
It's the elephant in the room and the potential issues were obvious from the start;
- If SOS get s the sack but we want to keep the kids.
- If the kids are no good but we want to keep SOS.
- If one kid is a keeper and the other not.
- Whenever some other past-players kid gets snubbed!
It's a minefield or player and fan disengagement!
And you think it wouldn't lead to fan disengagement to let Jack go to Essendon? Or to a lesser extent to let Ben slide?
And you think it wouldn't lead to fan disengagement to let Jack go to Essendon? Or to a lesser extent to let Ben slide?
Did I write that, I thought I wrote no-win?
Let's say they are NBG but they don't want t to leave, or we want to keep their old man, what would you do then?
It's a no-win situation for the club, long term it will take a minor management miracle to keep both SOS and his boys at the club! I've no confidence!
It's the elephant in the room and the potential issues were obvious from the start;
- If SOS get s the sack but we want to keep the kids.
- If the kids are no good but we want to keep SOS.
- If one kid is a keeper and the other not.
- Whenever some other past-players kid gets snubbed!
It's a minefield or player and fan disengagement!
Nah its fine.
Jack will get to 100 games easily enough and irrespective of how long it takes him, he has a role at our footy club. The recruitment of McGovern flies in the face of him showing favourtism to his boys as he has chosen to take a player who should push Jack out of the team, but Jack appears the better option (at the moment).
If Ben doesnt pull his socks up, delisting beckons.
If SOS is unhappy with either of those scenarios, he can feck off too.
At the end of the day, it only becomes a problem if we want it to be one. Currently Stephen is the blue chip performer of all of them and if parting ways with dad means Jack wants to leave Carlton given his potential, and his current ability we should take or leave him accordingly.
At the end of the day, it only becomes a problem if we want it to be one. Currently Stephen is the blue chip performer of all of them and if parting ways with dad means Jack wants to leave Carlton given his potential, and his current ability we should take or leave him accordingly.
I don't disagree with you, but it's never so quick or clean, and I'm not confident in our current admin to handle it properly if it comes about!
Look at today's rumors, bogus as they may be, if Coniglio was headed for Carlton, even if it's the sMurph, Simmo, Ed retirement that funds it, he's not in competition with Polson, SPS or O'Brien. The blokes in the gun are the likes of SoJ, Kennedy and Setterfield, and at the moment Setterfield seems to have the others covered.
Did I write that, I thought I wrote no-win?
Fair enough. I wasn't actually having a shot at you, but I can see how it could be interpreted.
Let's say they are NBG but they don't want t to leave, or we want to keep their old man, what would you do then?
Thry has answered that one pretty well, but vis a vis your comment about Jack wanting to leave if Dad goes I think he is Blue through and through and if he goes elsewhere it will because we push him out - and he deserves his spot on the list without question at the moment.
Thry has answered that one pretty well, but vis a vis your comment about Jack wanting to leave if Dad goes I think he is Blue through and through and if he goes elsewhere it will because we push him out - and he deserves his spot on the list without question at the moment.
Agree and he was stiff to be dropped for the last game.
Agree and he was stiff to be dropped for the last game.
Very stiff, but great to see he reacted in the right way by tearing it up in the 2s (and he DID tear it up).
I'm going to be very disappointed if he doesn't come back for the next game
Got himself a decent pension and some free travel for the rest of his life....and been a setback for his country in terms of dance style.
Plus approved 2 uranium mines as Federal Environment Minister
Gives new definition to the 10 to 1 album