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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
I just look at Tayla Harris full stop...lol.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Those particular boys you're talking about would have as much or even more muscle definition and strength than the 18yo female. It's 's not always about weight. Female's will only kick it 60% of their male counterparts hence if they're playing on a full size ground scores will be very low. juts have to take that into account. Like female cricketers, female footballers need to play on a smaller ground if you want higher scores.
As DJC says, inside 50 is a useless stat for females, inside 25 or 30 is critical.
Comparing females to 14 or 15 year old boys is pointless. Lance Whitnall, Bryce Gibbs and Watson Snr were playing senior football at 15.
I think the girls need to look at Tayla Harris' kicking technique, I think it's better suited to female anatomy. I've seen something similar in martial arts, girls are far more effective at roundhouse kicks than direct kicks. Perhaps it's something to do with their hip and pelvis structure. But for this to be effective in play coaches have to change some tactics, the targets will need to be more lateral.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Votes - Round 1 vs Collingwood
3 Hardiman
2 Stevens
1 S. Hosking
Girls were hyper and both teams ran themselves into the ground very early which had a negative effect on the 2nd half spectacle. I suspect we'll see a correction in the balance between defence and attack in coming weeks.
We'll be better for the run.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
I'm not buying into the naysayers and those philosophically opposed to females playing football. They should start a sky is falling thread elsewhere!
The Game
Counter-intuitively, the massive increase in player fitness and strength has had the opposite effect of what many expected. The game was generally congested because of the tactical focus on tagging. Players like Vescio, Chiocci, Stevens, Davey and Harris no longer have a natural advantage over the rest. You won't see them easily breaking lines like they did last season.
I wasn't expecting the negative tactics from the coaches, I was expecting AFLW to be more attacking. The focus on tagging and defensive structures is all new for the girls, they applied it very well perhaps even better than the men. But the newness of this in their game means the attacking players are yet to sort out how to deal with it. So at least short term we are likely to see less dominance by the likes of Vescio, Pearce, Harris, Brennan, Phillips, etc., etc..
Pound for pound the girls attack the contest and each other as hard if not harder than the men.
I think the AFLW Executive would be a bit worried about the aggression and vindictiveness on show, too much of it and the game becomes intimidating for many girls. The soccer mums(ie. The FA) would see that as a win.
Don't get between the Lioness and her Cub, or in the AFLW case the footy or a team-mate!
I thought the two best players on the ground were both Collingwood, Chiocci and Molloy. But it was clear our defensive structures kept the Pies outside a comfortable scoring zone.
Shorter kicking, 25m to 30m, the girls are as good as the guys hitting targets by foot, judging them as deficient when they miss a 40m target is like judging the guys at 60m!
Handball is still a problem, the lack of power is causing some congestion because handball range is diminished. But see my question about the ball below.
I don't buy into the new rules making the AFLW game congested and corridor centric, the real cause of that is the coaching tactics and the increase aerobic capacity and strength of the weaker players who were previously just chook runners. Some of the body transformations in one pre-season are astounding, there were no unfit players out there.
Keep in mind these girls only assembled for pre-season in November, hardly full-time professionals yet!
Having said that, the new rule will have no effect on play if the umpires are unable to divorce themselves from bringing players back directly over the mark. In any case teams have already learned not to chase the footy so the delay in getting the pill to the nearest player negates that rule. At best it needs tweaking at worst it's not effective.
It may be because of the significant changes in body shape, but it appeared to me the girls were now using the full sized footy. Last year they used the smaller size footy, can anyone confirm the situation for the current season?
Looking at the two teams last night, our list management versus the Pies, I'm not sure we can sustain that game style and make an impact on the finals. The Pies were significantly bigger in build and height, we've gone the diverse mosquito fleet route. That is not a detraction from the play of the smaller girls who often took down larger opponents.
Maddison Gay will be the AFLW best player within a season or two. She moves and thinks like her male counterparts, as team-mates improve she will become an attacking weapon.
I'm a bit concerned about Lauren Arnell and her future, I can see why she stood aside from the captaincy. It's clear the average AFLW player is now faster and stronger, Lauren no longer has the leg speed to keep up and her strength and aggression are no longer an advantage. I hope she can prove me wrong.
Overall I'm very happy with the progress the girls have made, if the guys showed this sort of improvement we'd be on a 3 year rebuild not a 20 year hiatus!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Rnd 1 Carlton vs Richmond - Pre-Game
At the moment I've been unable to ID the sources, so;
If this is our clubs doing, a new look media department, then kudos to the club as they are light years ahead of where they were in the past!
If it's the sycophants at News Ltd and Fairfax, trying to beat up a story before an expected fall, then fork off the lot of you! In the nicest possible way!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
It's using our senior players so it will be effecting them and I'm hoping it won't be adversely effective on our main season.
Shrug shoulders.
I don't know what you read to end up with this but meh for me the main allure of Carlton is watching our team play afl footy and whilst I'm happy for our women's team and wish them every success it is merely a detail.
I don't have daughters, but I can understand why some people are so frustrated with the way women in sport are perceived.
I think they deserve every bit of attention they get without the need to judge them relative to men. I do not see them as halftime entertainment or a curtain raiser there just to fill in the blanks. I'm sure you don't mean to infer that they are just a sideshow.
I see the elite in the girls, even if it is a different kind of elite to the men!
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The Sports Desk / Re: One day squad..No Maxwell????
Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.
Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.
Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.
We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
Good news - not entirely surprising!
Pretty solid set, it appears Bolton and his crew are big on rewarding effort, and that is the way it should be!
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The Sports Desk / Re: One day squad..No Maxwell????
As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage. Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM? That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for modern ODI squads.
The days of Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.
I'm 100% in agreement.
I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.
I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
With Docherty injured, Murphy will probably remain. I'd have given it to Doc this year had he not got injured.
What I would do, is go with Murphy and Cripps as co-captains.
Others in the leadership group mix for mine, would be - Docherty, Simpson, Ed Curnow, Kreuzer and Plowman.
Quite impressed with SpecialK in recent times, he's grown as a player and now commands a presence in the media and on-field.
I've no problem at all for him to be a captain, co-captain or 2IC!
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The Sports Desk / Re: One day squad..No Maxwell????
Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!
But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
On a separate issue, has anyone picked up that there is some innuendo in the media about bad blood between Tayla Harris an the Lions? I noticed that even one of the AFLW captains picked this as the one season game to watch, Tayla playing against her old side. It reminds me of Marc Murphy's debut against the Lions, they told the world they would smash him and they did!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
You add players like Wines or Lynch and you put them in the leadership group you wouldnt make them captain or vice captain IMO.
This year is another rebuild year and I would expect Murphy to be a caretaker captain until Cripps or Docherty get given the role the following season....
No doubt you are free to do whatever you like on the leadership group, and existing players and agents are free to read into that whatever they like!
It's not about the decision, it's about the effect it has on the group, we are not talking about a Judd or Kernahan.
As much as a like Judd, I thought making him captain so early was a mistake. Easy in hindsight to say he did the job, set the standards, but would he have taken more along with him if he earned it side-by-side first? Would it have been reasonable to appoint Carrazzo, Stevens or Scotland in the interim, is there a place for due process?
Even Kernahan had to wait a year before going from a list player straight to captain, and in my opinion he's the best captain we've had for 30 years and widely considered one of the AFL/VFL best, but he played a season under Maclure! It wouldn't have been out of place to appoint Dean or Hunter though even if it were interim!
We laud them as stars, but that doesn't mean their team-mates won't see them as peers!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Rd 1: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
I generally hold the same opinion. Its all just fluff until the real stuff starts, and I hope our AFLX doesnt detract from the main stuff.
I read the highlighted part as you basically holding a mindset that AFLX is in someway competing with the main game.
I might be wrong but that doesn't seem consistent with MIO's position that AFLW is a different sport he just isn't interested in, have I read MIO post wrongly?
If it's a different game/sport then I would think it's not in competition by definition, if over time the newbies garnish media support that is a problem for the AFL, not for AFLW or AFLX.
I'm not trying to force AFLW or AFLX down peoples throat, people are free to choose. But I believe it's clearly wrong to take a line of argument that compares either game to their AFL predecessor. It would be like comparing chess to chequers, only the board they play on is the same!
In particular my position on this stuff has been turned round by watching the WFA in the UK. It's almost a better game to watch than the Premier League, no fat-heads, no diving, no interruptions for video reviews, no players just there for the money, and yet the WFA game is full of skills and speed! No wonder clubs like Chelsea, Manchester and Liverpool are heavily invested in the WFA.
Where i think the future of Carlton as a sporting club lies is the european model of operations. Generally, the sporting clubs in europe are sports clubs, and have teams that are represented in multiple sports.
Sure they have some main events, but you will see the same team name, and same colours being represented in all manner of different sports, starting with Basketball, Soccer/Football, Handball, Water Polo, Ping Pong, both mens and womens varieties, and all manner of other sports that escape me at the moment. It gives us good news stories about Carlton, gives us something to enjoy in the meantime until the big stuff starts, and we can celebrate a victory against Collingwood in arm wrestling if thats all thats on tv, but generally I see this as the way forward for sporting clubs.
I think this is self evident, it's about using a resource to it's fullest extent.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Leadership Group 2018
If Ollie Wines comes east next year is he a leadership type?
The minute you appoint newbies to leadership group you're on a losing strategy, you are basically told the current list they don't cut the mustard, which is exactly the message players and player managers take from an event like that!