At this point it appears that we play GWS in Sydney next weekend. The game is presently set for Saturday Night at 19:25 and will probably be on TV.
It is reasonable to assume that this will go on as planned, but the AFL will do what it does.
[1] Historically we have performed poorly after the bye.
[2] We now have the review hanging over our heads like the Sword of Damocles.
[3] We have structural problems that our MC seem more than willing to accentuate.
[4] We have GWS underachieving this year as well and wanting very badly to make a point. They have an ordinary coach who wants to remain. They have a list of stars who have not performed to expectation.
[5] We are on TV. That itself is something of a surprise, as we have been on TV a lot more this year than I expected. However, we rarely win when we are on TV.
[6] We are playing guys who have not regained form and fitness through the VFL and who haven't got back to the best.
I hate to say it, but that bodes very poorly.
At this point it appears that we play GWS in Sydney next weekend. The game is presently set for Saturday Night at 19:25 and will probably be on TV.
It is reasonable to assume that this will go on as planned, but the AFL will do what it does.
[1] Historically we have performed poorly after the bye.
[2] We now have the review hanging over our heads like the Sword of Damocles.
[3] We have structural problems that our MC seem more than willing to accentuate.
[4] We have GWS underachieving this year as well and wanting very badly to make a point. They have an ordinary coach who wants to remain. They have a list of stars who have not performed to expectation.
[5] We are on TV. That itself is something of a surprise, as we have been on TV a lot more this year than I expected. However, we rarely win when we are on TV.
[6] We are playing guys who have not regained form and fitness through the VFL and who haven't got back to the best.
I hate to say it, but that bodes very poorly.
YEAH !!
Bring it on !!
Interested in this game to see a reaction. We could smash them after everything that has gone on, or just turn our toes up.
GWS by 24 points
In the immortal words of that airhead idiot Gwyneth Paltrow, I've had a "concious uncoupling" with my club for the time being
GWS don't look anything special today.
We'll likely smash them, then get rubbished in the media for the next week for going off half-cocked with a review. ::)
I thought they'd be a lot better with Greene back in, but they look flat and fumbly IMO.
GWS don't look anything special today.
We'll likely smash them, then get rubbished in the media for the next week for going off half-cocked with a review. ::)
I’d take that by somehow I don’t think we’d be having a review if we didn’t know there are issues that need addressing. I have read encouraging comments r.e. Sawyer’s ability to drive cultural change. We seem to have addressed our off field woes and are in a sound financial position, now it’s time to get the football dept firing.
Fan bloody tactic, GWS getting beating at the minute by Norf, you know what that means next week dont you.
Fan bloody tactic, GWS getting beating at the minute by Norf, you know what that means next week dont you.
Yep. 😳😰
Fan bloody tactic, GWS getting beating at the minute by Norf, you know what that means next week dont you.
Yep...GWS hyped up on the rebound and Greene will kick a bag ....Walsh will probably find one of Mummy's knees impaled in his rib cage too...pure accident of course.
Plenty of attention on that thug Mumford this week. He’ll be well and truly on notice this weekend.
Won't stop him smashing Murphy or Fisher or some other little bloke.
Unfortunately their midfield is one are that they'll take us to the cleaners.....Ward, Taranto, Kelly, Whitfield, Hopper, Green etc....all big bodies with superior skills to our collective. That on it's own will be enough to give their forwards plenty more chances than ours.
Unfortunately their midfield is one are that they'll take us to the cleaners.....Ward, Taranto, Kelly, Whitfield, Hopper, Green etc....all big bodies with superior skills to our collective. That on it's own will be enough to give their forwards plenty more chances than ours.
Spot on agree entirely, any game of footy is won in the engine room.
"Historically we have performed poorly after the bye". Historically we have performed poorly before the bye.
"Historically we have performed poorly after the bye". Historically we have performed poorly before the bye.
We perform well during the bye though. We don't lose...lol.
"Historically we have performed poorly after the bye". Historically we have performed poorly before the bye.
Historically we have performed poorly against GWS.
Historically we have performed poorly against GWS.
As mentioned before....
Historically we perfom poorly against everyone!
Historically we have performed poorly against GWS.
Also correct. They have been in existence during our weakest period in history. There are a few other modern clubs we have struggled with for similar reasons.
Be that as it may, it is about time our players showed some of the heart that Collingwood did today against Melbourne. If we can, we have more than a chance.
Remember, North had GWS six goals down more than once, and North are pretty ordinary at the moment.
The counter argument is that we are as poor as we ever have been. But I hope to see some of our players get off their posteriors and start playing.
The counter argument is that we are as poor as we ever have been.
Only for those with VERY short memories.
Bolton lost more games by 100 points (and the same by 60-100.....and the same as 40-60) in his last 40 games as coach than Teague has lost games by 5 goals or more during his 40 games as coach.
I'm sick of people glossing over how bad we were previously.
He was a lousy coach. Few would deny that. Not entirely his fault as the playing group had little respect for him. C'est la vie
Here is a premonition vs GWS..we will see plenty of this..
https://www.afl.com.au/news/631393/match-review-big-mummy-charged-with-misconduct
Liked the accidental forearm as he pretends to try and getup...
He was a lousy coach. Few would deny that. Not entirely his fault as the playing group had little respect for him. C'est la vie
Lousy coach? Are all our coaches lousy coaches??
Brendan Bolton - Last 15 games as coach (1-14) - 4 times beaten by 50 points or more.....twice by 100 points or more.
John Barker - Only 14 games as coach (3-11) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 game by 138 points!
Mick Malthouse - Last 15 games as coach (3-10-1) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 103 points.
Brett Ratten - Last 15 games as coach (6-9) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more
Denis Pagan - Last 15 games as coach (3-12) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 2 by 100+ points
Wayne Brittain - Last 15 games as coach (2-13) - 3 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 108 points.
David Teague - Last 15 games as coach (5-10) - never been beaten by more than 28 points in that time.
...and people want to sack him.
How quickly people forget!
Lousy coach? Are all our coaches lousy coaches??
Brendan Bolton - Last 15 games as coach (1-14) - 4 times beaten by 50 points or more.....twice by 100 points or more.
John Barker - Only 14 games as coach (3-11) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 game by 138 points!
Mick Malthouse - Last 15 games as coach (3-10-1) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 103 points.
Brett Ratten - Last 15 games as coach (6-9) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more
Denis Pagan - Last 15 games as coach (3-12) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 2 by 100+ points
Wayne Brittain - Last 15 games as coach (2-13) - 3 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 108 points.
David Teague - Last 15 games as coach (5-10) - never been beaten by more than 28 points in that time.
...and people want to sack him.
How quickly people forget!
Carlton "hold my beer" that argument will get made next year when we start getting thumped.
Lousy coach? Are all our coaches lousy coaches??
Brendan Bolton - Last 15 games as coach (1-14) - 4 times beaten by 50 points or more.....twice by 100 points or more.
John Barker - Only 14 games as coach (3-11) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 game by 138 points!
Mick Malthouse - Last 15 games as coach (3-10-1) - 6 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 103 points.
Brett Ratten - Last 15 games as coach (6-9) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more
Denis Pagan - Last 15 games as coach (3-12) - 5 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 2 by 100+ points
Wayne Brittain - Last 15 games as coach (2-13) - 3 times beaten by 50 points or more....including 1 by 108 points.
David Teague - Last 15 games as coach (5-10) - never been beaten by more than 28 points in that time.
...and people want to sack him.
How quickly people forget!
A loss is a loss. Despite our maturing list, we are still losing especially against teams above us. Last time I checked, GWS was above us.
Before you lose your marbles and accuse me of wanting the coach sacked, check my recent posts where I have stated Teague should not be sacked. I dont necessary like his blank stare demeanour, but that's just me and irrelevant. I am not sure yet if he is "the one", he needs more time. I'm not sure the The Board, The Richmond Bloke and Lloyd were prepared to afford him more time, the independent review may take that decision out of their hands thankfully.
I'm worried about Mummy, he has history in smashing our little blokes and although he's been put on notice by the AFL that has never stopped him. He now seems to play like it doesn't matter who he maims and how, he doesn't even try to do it sneaky. Could be a real line in the sand game for us, I don't expect us to win but I don't want to see us physically lorded over by some bushie thug. This is where a better team culture starts.
I'm worried about Mummy, he has history in smashing our little blokes and although he's been put on notice by the AFL that has never stopped him. He now seems to play like it doesn't matter who he maims and how, he doesn't even try to do it sneaky. Could be a real line in the sand game for us, I don't expect us to win but I don't want to see us physically lorded over by some bushie thug. This is where a better team culture starts.
At least we have pittonet. The only big bloke we've had show aggression for decades.
He's not quite up to the same class as mummy, but he won't let himself or his team-mates get bullied
Mummy looks like a heavy from The Godfather these days .
Wow Jones would have crippled him. But Pittonet is not the kind of guy who'd hold back if it came to it ..
Mumford is a low order animal
Kreuzer used to be quite physical.
We aren't that team that gets the physical work over anymore.
Wow Jones would have crippled him. But Pittonet is not the kind of guy who'd hold back if it came to it ..
Mumford is a low order animal
If we had a ruckman like that, would you have him banished?
If we had a ruckman like that, would you have him banished?
The truth GTC ? Yes.
EDIT - I don't like deliberate violence in any form. He stands guilty on that charge in what, after all, is a sport. Retribution though is fine btw.
Kreuzer used to be quite physical.
We aren't that team that gets the physical work over anymore.
I still think other teams regard us as physically weak, its just there are cameras everywhere now and you have to be careful how you tackle. We still dont have consistency in putting the body on the line and having a young player like Sam Walsh who never lets you down in that area shines the light on a few others that do...
We have gentle giants like Harry and Levi who dont really get physical enough and until we get some players who like it rough and hard we will continue to be prey for other clubs who play a heavy brand..
The truth GTC ? Yes.
EDIT - I don't like deliberate violence in any form. He stands guilty on that charge in what, after all, is a sport. Retribution though is fine btw.
Fair enough, I personally dont think he is voilent per se`. Does he push the boundaries when being physical? Absolutely. Id have someone like him (ie physicality) in a heart beat.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/13/is-it-time-for-the-afl-to-put-shane-mumford-on-notice/
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/13/is-it-time-for-the-afl-to-put-shane-mumford-on-notice/
Everyone is on notice, the game will change again forever at the tribunal for Mackay case on Thurs night. I notice a high number of dangerous tackles paid this weekend even though the player being tackled bounced up uninjured. Contact and roughness of any sort will slowly be outlawed from the game. Both Scott and Goodwin said as much on 360 last night, they are already coaching it into their players. Teague doesnt have to worry about this with our blokes in general.
Everyone is on notice, the game will change again forever at the tribunal for Mackay case on Thurs night. I notice a high number of dangerous tackles paid this weekend even though the player being tackled bounced up uninjured. Contact and roughness of any sort will slowly be outlawed from the game. Both Scott and Goodwin said as much on 360 last night, they are already coaching it into their players. Teague doesnt have to worry about this with our blokes in general.
I think we are already coaching for that style. Ive noticed that we wrap blokes up in the tackle and dont necessarily take them to ground.
I think its a misnomer, because you still see stacks on. I noticed one WC vs Richmond on Sunday where Darling had his leg trapped, and was forced backwards.
That was more dangerous than a lot of the heavy dumps, but they had more scope to cause head hits...
Trying to change a full on contact sport whose culture has always included 100% attack on the ball with no regard for your own safety to one where caution and hesitancy are required sounds like mission impossible to me - even a recipe for disaster? We'll see I guess, but the whole essence of the game is in danger of being lost imo, and it's old northern nickname of "aerial ping pong" may prove to have been prophetic?
Trying to change a full on contact sport whose culture has always included 100% attack on the ball with no regard for your own safety to one where caution and hesitancy are required sounds like mission impossible to me - even a recipe for disaster? We'll see I guess, but the whole essence of the game is in danger of being lost imo, and it's old northern nickname of "aerial ping pong" may prove to have been prophetic?
The AFL and Rugby League are tuning the game to suit public perception and whats on trend. Concussion long term effects are topical and wont be going away as more medical research comes to light and more players are diagnosed with issues.
No contact sport will want legal issues either and the game of AFL is going to become less of a physical spectacle in terms of bumps, tackling and we are probably watching the last era of full contact AFL.
Don't see how this is anything but clear cut. McKay can't receive less than 8 weeks - accelerated launched braced and ran through him. No eyes for ball, no attempt at a tackle. Only intention was to nail the opponent. He chose to bump and he'll pay for it.
Trying to change a full on contact sport whose culture has always included 100% attack on the ball with no regard for your own safety to one where caution and hesitancy are required sounds like mission impossible to me - even a recipe for disaster? We'll see I guess, but the whole essence of the game is in danger of being lost imo, and it's old northern nickname of "aerial ping pong" may prove to have been prophetic?
You've seen Gaelic football?
Don't see how this is anything but clear cut. McKay can't receive less than 8 weeks - accelerated launched braced and ran through him. No eyes for ball, no attempt at a tackle. Only intention was to nail the opponent. He chose to bump and he'll pay for it.
Yep..he will be having a long holiday and made an example of....if that was Buddy or Dusty though it would be accidental contact and they would be eligible to play in the Grand Final the next week.
The AFL got themselves a nobody player in Mackay they can give a good whipping and look like they care about head injuries.
Prof - with all that and the AFL consistency, $1,000 fine!
...and that's why I am disenfranchised with the AFL, treat everyone the same, not in some Orwellian "some animals are more equal than others" fashion. Plowman two weeks - fine - but don't pick and choose when to apply it after the point was supposedly made.
It's like "intentional" Vs. 'carelesss". Give me a spell. "I didn't know my fist was clenched and I was going to punch him" really ?!? Another vehicle used to downgrade charges.
Like Mumford. He's been doing rubbish for years, why wait until now to pull him up, and why the wet lettuce fine when it happens?
You've seen Gaelic football?
Not really, only the international rules version which I thought was a bit of a dog’s breakfast. We could go something like Hurling though, and give each player a big stick to whack each other over the scone with?
How Henderson got away with his marking contest bump where he made contact with player and not ball is beyond me.
How Henderson got away with his marking contest bump where he made contact with player and not ball is beyond me.
The more successful the club the lesser the penalties.....
There is much made of the fact we have been losing by less than five goals. It shows we are in the games, but when push come to shove, we tend to fold. Listening to Carlton there is a belief within the Club that this team will succeed. I think they have the ability to be successful. I keep saying we have a very good list. I think there is complacency at the Club and that is the problem. They look at the list, they think the Coaching is fine, we are getting new facilities and the administration is going very well, these are the elements of success so there is an expectation that there will be success. It is like back in 2010 when there was an expectation of success where we lost Grigg for not much and the used our first three draft picks to chose Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and then in 2011 we didn't trade and we chose Bootsma. In 2012 we didn't trade and Tom Temay was our second pick. The whole point of Malthouse was the belief we had a good side and all we needed was a super coach to bring it all together. While we are not making those mistakes today, I still think there is a fair amount of complacency around the Club believing it is all going to happen and that complacency is produced on the field of play.
What the players need to demonstrate against GWS is a sense of urgency but not the suicidal recklessness Newman engaged in. The players are going to actually want to succeed. If we do this we will win. If we don't we will have another three to five goal loss
There is much made of the fact we have been losing by less than five goals. It shows we are in the games, but when push come to shove, we tend to fold. Listening to Carlton there is a belief within the Club that this team will succeed. I think they have the ability to be successful. I keep saying we have a very good list. I think there is complacency at the Club and that is the problem. They look at the list, they think the Coaching is fine, we are getting new facilities and the administration is going very well, these are the elements of success so there is an expectation that there will be success. It is like back in 2010 when there was an expectation of success where we lost Grigg for not much and the used our first three draft picks to chose Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell and then in 2011 we didn't trade and we chose Bootsma. In 2012 we didn't trade and Tom Temay was our second pick. The whole point of Malthouse was the belief we had a good side and all we needed was a super coach to bring it all together. While we are not making those mistakes today, I still think there is a fair amount of complacency around the Club believing it is all going to happen and that complacency is produced on the field of play.
What the players need to demonstrate against GWS is a sense of urgency but not the suicidal recklessness Newman engaged in. The players are going to actually want to succeed. If we do this we will win. If we don't we will have another three to five goal loss
Without wanting to debate any specific point, this could simply be the sign of a club that is a work in progress.
Really, looking beyond the coaching, playing personnell even the relative coaching records between Teague and Bolton.
Our side is at a point where the future is upside. We have enough talented youngsters to be better moving forward, and our key performers have transitioned somewhat from the old guard to the new guard (3 years ago, our best players were most weeks, Simpson, Thomas, Docherty, Murphy, Kreuzer, Cripps).
This year we have evolved properly and the baton has well and truly transitioned. Our best players in no particular order are Weitering, Harry, Walsh, Cripps (even though he is down), and JSOS. The rest are a mix of getting their role done, and not most weeks, with still the odd stirling performance from the likes of Betts, Saad, et al.
Its possible that Bolton to Teague not happening might have yielded similar results purely on team evolution. Likewise, its possible we could sack Teague and continue to improve at the same rate if we persist with him.
Any football department reviews likely shouldn't be aimed at personnel, but rather process, structure, roles and procedures.
We need to get the club operating like a well oiled machine and now is pretty much the best time to do it.
I am looking at our list, and I can see that we have really had a focus on drafting in the next batch and that the current batch are simply the first layer of the next evolution of our footy club.
The list is lacking in midfield depth, we don't have enough good mids after Cripps and Walsh. The Williams cheat with a half back flanker as a mid move has bombed and its
back to the drawing board.
A class deep midfield fixes a lot of problems.. better delivery down forward and less pressure on your back line.
We are going nowhere until we get the midfield sorted... A review isn't going to fix that..
The Williams cheat with a half back flanker as a mid move has bombed and its back to the drawing board.
Although this might become true in the longer term, I feel it's way too early to call right now just as it is too early to make a call on the kids.
Williams has shown some midfield class and grunt, but in previous attempts he did so in the blind well before opposition scrutiny and before he had to deal with specific opposition tactics to counter his game. He's a midfield beginner, but that doesn't mean he won't make it as a midfielder. The money doesn't mean much, and it certainly doesn't mean you're the finished product.
Cripps for example can still barely hit the ball with his left foot, he's like a footy beginner when they make him turn onto his left.
At least we have pittonet. The only big bloke we've had show aggression for decades.
He's not quite up to the same class as mummy, but he won't let himself or his team-mates get bullied
I reckon you can add Stocker to that list. Have not seen him take a backward step, throws himself in and does not take crap from anybody.
The list is lacking in midfield depth, we don't have enough good mids after Cripps and Walsh. The Williams cheat with a half back flanker as a mid move has bombed and its
back to the drawing board.
A class deep midfield fixes a lot of problems.. better delivery down forward and less pressure on your back line.
We are going nowhere until we get the midfield sorted... A review isn't going to fix that..
I was looking further down the pecking order, even ignoring the likes of Dow, SPS, LOB. Looking at Philp, Ramsay, Honey, Carroll, kemp. I think we are still looking 2-4 years away and if they come on early, great. I dont see us cutting too deeply from here. We will move on older types, cheat with some of them in roles where they are less likely, and then go from there IMHO.
The Williams, Fogarty, Saad experience was a very much now purchase, to ease up the pressure on the youngsters that have shown something, and are yet to get a go. We will see more of them as the season slips away and we are going through the motions and will be pleasantly surprised IMHO.
Although this might become true in the longer term, I feel it's way too early to call right now just as it is too early to make a call on the kids.
Williams has shown some midfield class and grunt, but in previous attempts he did so in the blind well before opposition scrutiny and before he had to deal with specific opposition tactics to counter his game. He's a midfield beginner, but that doesn't mean he won't make it as a midfielder. The money doesn't mean much, and it certainly doesn't mean you're the finished product.
Cripps for example can still barely hit the ball with his left foot, he's like a footy beginner when they make him turn onto his left.
Collingwood run their half back rebounder Crisp through the middle but do it sparingly and usually later in the game when they want a lift and some extra zip.
This is how Williams should be used, he just doesnt get enough of the ball if used in the middle in a FT role IMO. His form down back has been better and its obvious he prefers that role and is better at it. With us he has to be a prime mover unlike when he had a run through the middle with GWS who had midfield talent on tap and he was just cream on the cake.
We have tried this cheating with players in different positions for years and its always a fail....Hampson, Kruezer as forwards, then we had Walker doing every job bar rucking even though he was an excellent winger.
But thats the domain of struggling teams who have to patch holes and usually to the detriment of the players concerned who do the patching.
We need 2-3 quality readymade mids and life will get better for the coach, players and long suffering supporters....
This is how Williams should be used, he just doesnt get enough of the ball if used in the middle in a FT role IMO. His form down back has been better and its obvious he prefers that role and is better at it.
I think it is still a
"so far" on the bold bit.
In fairness to Williams, we've spent much time in various threads discussing our club playing him and others injured, he is obviously one on the list that doesn't look 100%, yet fans want to pull the pin on his development, maybe rightly so for now as his development is probably hindered anyway.
As for the HBF, I think it's obvious he plays better on the HBF given it's a role he knows well, and even more so given he seems to be carrying that injury he can probably play in autopilot.
I doubt any of that says much about his ability to eventually play through the midfield.
Yes Williams isn't fit.
Don't judge someone until you see them with a good pre-season under their belt.
I was looking further down the pecking order, even ignoring the likes of Dow, SPS, LOB. Looking at Philp, Ramsay, Honey, Carroll, kemp. I think we are still looking 2-4 years away and if they come on early, great. I dont see us cutting too deeply from here. We will move on older types, cheat with some of them in roles where they are less likely, and then go from there IMHO.
The Williams, Fogarty, Saad experience was a very much now purchase, to ease up the pressure on the youngsters that have shown something, and are yet to get a go. We will see more of them as the season slips away and we are going through the motions and will be pleasantly surprised IMHO.
One quality mid coming in and two of the kids stepping up....
Established mids - Merrett (better numbers than Josh Kelly), Cam Guthrie, the Swans' Hewett and Luke Parker.
Coming out of conrtact in 2022 (therefore gettable) - I like the way Ben Keays has really come on at the Crows, Steele Sidebottom?, Perryman, Taranto, Cunnington, even Lambert at the Tiges would be RFA. Ditto Jack Steele.
Dunkley and Smith at the Dogs....
Or Crippa returning to 80% of his best.
Yes Williams isn't fit.
Don't judge someone until you see them with a good pre-season under their belt.
Agree but he did have good preseason didn't he? IMO opinion, he hasn't been the same since the suspension just before round 1. He needs a chance to settle into the way we play for sure, but I haven't been impressed with what he has produced to date. Harsh? Probably but its my opinion. I reckon if Zac looked in the mirror and was honest with himself, I think he would say he wouldn't be happy with his output.
Agree but he did have good preseason didn't he? IMO opinion, he hasn't been the same since the suspension just before round 1. He needs a chance to settle into the way we play for sure, but I haven't been impressed with what he has produced to date. Harsh? Probably but its my opinion. I reckon if Zac looked in the mirror and was honest with himself, I think he would say he wouldn't be happy with his output.
Williams has ongoing achillies issues, as Jim pointed out he spent a season out of the game, he wont hold up for 22 game playing a full on midfield role. You need specialists and you need a group that has some size like the Dogs and Melbourne have.
IMHO Williams would be a good rotation but is more your No 5-6 mid than your inner prime mover.
Agree but he did have good preseason didn't he? IMO opinion, he hasn't been the same since the suspension just before round 1. He needs a chance to settle into the way we play for sure, but I haven't been impressed with what he has produced to date. Harsh? Probably but its my opinion. I reckon if Zac looked in the mirror and was honest with himself, I think he would say he wouldn't be happy with his output.
This has been done to death, but Williams would admit he isn't fit and would admit his performance hasn't been up to scratch. He is still out there giving it a go....more so than some....and although he's had some shocking moments that have cost us goals, overall i think he's been OK considering what an up and down year he's had both physically and mentally.
I may be getting my wires crossed here, but from memory he was supposed to be swapping midfield/forward with Martin. Obviously Martin has been injured most of the year and that strategy went down the drain quick smart.
Possible Team Selection
Newman Jones Parks
Saad Weitering Williams
Dow Cripps Docherty
Fisher De Koning Martin
Betts McKay Silvagni
Pittonett Curnow Walsh
Stocker Owies Fogarty Setterfield
Murphy (Medical)
Just chuckin' the magnets around!!
Townsend....who've you got as ins/outs from the Eagles game?
I think Phil Davis will be back for GWS which will make it a bit more difficult for us and we need another focal point rather than just kicking it to Harry. We also need to find a minder for Toby Greene, someone who can mind a man compete with him in the air and on the ground, Plowman will probably draw the short straw given he will be an automatic back in.
DeBoer will probably make it tough for Cripps leaving Walsh to carry the load, they may even pull another tag with Ward also likely to get a role on someone.
I'd also expect them to run three marking targets down forward to stretch us as well with Riccardi a likely back in after a blinder in the twos. Going to be a tough game in the coaches box for Teague and hopefully his assistants havent given it away with the Review on and likely casualties in the coaching box.
Plowman will probably draw the short straw given he will be an automatic back in.
Except he is still injured.
Coaches: Who wants to mind Toby this week?
Players:
Coaches: Anyone?
Players:
Coaches: You will get a free pass for accountability for the next three games
Players: Pick me, pick me
EB...pretty sure I read somewhere that Plowman is out for another week with the knee? He would've been the obvious choice for Green. That might mean that one of Saad, Docherty or Williams has to actually be accountable for a man.....or Newman? I think Green would be too strong in the air for Newman.
On the face of it, Townsend's lineup doesn't look too bad.....on paper!
I reckon Parks will have to play as a tall defender....as you say, they'll stretch us down back and the Levi experiment from a few weeks ago against Sydney didn't work.
I'd be playing Stocker in the middle this week....their midfield will have too much depth for us so we'll need all the help we've got. Hopefully the assignment on Ryan hasn't dented his confidence.
@Dodge and Surfie...thanks for the update on Plowman....maybe Docherty or Newman get Greene then.
Agree on Stocker...time for some midfield action before we damage the kid anymore.
Murph dropped
In Fog Parks Kennedy
Out Newnes Murph (omitted) Cottrell (omitted) Setters (inj)
Them
In Harry Perryman, Kieren Briggs, Phil Davis
Out Jake Stein (Omitted), Lachie Ash (Omitted), Shane Mumford (Injured), Xavier O'Halloran (Omitted)
Cheers GTC.....I'm happy with that. Cottrell, Newnes and Setterfield haven't done much in recent weeks...nor Murhpy. Parks probably only in for a bit of height which we're lacking down back. Fogarty has gone off the boil a bit after a good start to the season but he offers a chop out in the middle and competes pretty hard.
Kennedy offers that bigger bodied midfielder which I reckon we need against their midfield.
Not sure there were too many other options?
No Mumford.
In: Lachie Fogarty, Matthew Kennedy, Luke Parks
Out: Will Setterfield (inj), Matthew Cottrell, Marc Murphy, Jack Newnes
Murphy might struggle to get to the 300 unless he rips it up in the VFL in coming weeks.
Those ins don't inspire me.
But Mummy as an out does.
I'm happy with that. Cottrell, Newnes and Setterfield haven't done much in recent weeks...nor Murhpy.
Bit harsh on Newnes.
He was the sub last game, and wasn't picked for a month before that. No wonder he hasn't shown much, he's only played 1/2 a game.
Cheers GTC.....I'm happy with that. Cottrell, Newnes and Setterfield haven't done much in recent weeks...nor Murhpy. Parks probably only in for a bit of height which we're lacking down back. Fogarty has gone off the boil a bit after a good start to the season but he offers a chop out in the middle and competes pretty hard.
Kennedy offers that bigger bodied midfielder which I reckon we need against their midfield.
Not sure there were too many other options?
No Mumford.
Not much point having a "bigger bodied midfielder" if he doesn't get the ball.
I would play Kennedy as a lead up forward. He mightn't do much there either but he will attract a taller defender.
I hope Stocker doesn't get the job on Greene. I would move Stocker to the midfield and start with Saad on Greene. Saad may not have the toolkit to keep Toby quiet but making him chase and some defensive help could do the job.
Those ins don't inspire me.
But Mummy as an out does.
Bit harsh on Newnes.
He was the sub last game, and wasn't picked for a month before that. No wonder he hasn't shown much, he's only played 1/2 a game.
Newnes was very average in the last reserves game ...
Murphy might struggle to get to the 300 unless he rips it up in the VFL in coming weeks.
Shouldn't have sooked up a few weeks ago, that'll learn ya Murph.
Newnes was very average in the last reserves game ...
So was Parks who is getting a game this week.
So was Kennedy who is getting a game this week.
So was the other 20 blokes who wore navy blue.
BUT, his 'form' compared to the others is not comparable because he simply hasn;t played as much (reserves or otherwise).
I'm not saying pick him. Just saying it was strange to lump him in with the others since he hasn't actually been playing.
So was Parks who is getting a game this week.
So was Kennedy who is getting a game this week.
So was the other 20 blokes who wore navy blue.
BUT, his 'form' compared to the others is not comparable because he simply hasn;t played as much (reserves or otherwise).
I'm not saying pick him. Just saying it was strange to lump him in with the others since he hasn't actually been playing.
Yes Parks was average, but Kennedy was good. The problem is that he can't seem to transfer seconds form the the firsts.
Team selection is a mystery to me. Newnes didn't earn his spot last game, and he didn't do enough to justify another game, but he's not exactly Robinson Crusoe.
Clearly, we don't have the depth to make wholesale changes (and I'm not advocating that) and it may be that players are brought in to provide match ups with key opposition players. If so, the reasoning is far too subtle for me. And then there's the underdone, under-performing, highly paid players who must play whenever they're available.
It would be good if a match committee spokesperson could explain the thinking behind our team selection.
Yes Parks was average, but Kennedy was good. The problem is that he can't seem to transfer seconds form the the firsts.
Team selection is a mystery to me. Newnes didn't earn his spot last game, and he didn't do enough to justify another game, but he's not exactly Robinson Crusoe.
Clearly, we don't have the depth to make wholesale changes (and I'm not advocating that) and it may be that players are brought in to provide match ups with key opposition players. If so, the reasoning is far too subtle for me. And then there's the underdone, under-performing, highly paid players who must play whenever they're available.
It would be good if a match committee spokesperson could explain the thinking behind our team selection.
It might help giving the lad a run of games in the 1s and playing him in his rightful position!
It might help giving the lad a run of games in the 1s and playing him in his rightful position!
Where is his rightful position?
His best games for us were one as a forward in 2019 and one in the midfield the previous year. That was when he had a run of seven straight games, played one good game, then fell away. He simply doesn't get the ball enough to provide value as a midfielder and, like several other players, his inability to have an impact puts more pressure on Cripps and Walsh.
Happy to be proved wrong but I will be surprised if he is in our top ten for possessions on Saturday.
Every time I thought we have had a chance in a game this year, I have been sorely disappointed.
So, I think we will get rolled, with the promise of surprised grin if I am proven wrong.
Ever hopeful but I will be pleasantly surprised if we roll them.
Ever hopeful but I will be pleasantly surprised if we roll them.
GWS are as reliable as we are and their coaching box equally unreliable so we have some hope. You add Mummy being out and I think we can roll them more by the law of averages...
To use a poor analogy for the GWS game, if we don't sail on this new ocean, we should just play with our boats in the wading pool.
I reckon you're right EB.
We are a good chance with Mummy out.
Ever hopeful but I will be pleasantly surprised if we roll them.
The only game that I was confident of winning was the Collingwood game ... and that turned out well :(
I don’t really think that the personnel each team puts on the park is all that important. It’s the game plan, tactics, motivation and footy nous that decides games and I suspect that GWS has a significant edge ... but you never know!
I hope you are pleasantly surprised Cookie :)
The only game that I was confident of winning was the Collingwood game ... and that turned out well :(
I don’t really think that the personnel each team puts on the park is all that important. It’s the game plan, tactics, motivation and footy nous that decides games and I suspect that GWS has a significant edge ... but you never know!
I hope you are pleasantly surprised Cookie :)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/what-has-gone-wrong-with-carlton-this-year/100218856
I don't know whether this has been posted before but this article may explain why we have been struggling and will continue to do so unless things change.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/what-has-gone-wrong-with-carlton-this-year/100218856
I don't know whether this has been posted before but this article may explain why we have been struggling and will continue to do so unless things change.
I enjoyed that. Interesting info IMO.
Assuming that article has it right, the problem lies somewhere on the line connecting coaching instructions / structures and players adjusting / playing to those instructions.
If you look at the first graph, Teague has made adjustments from 2020 to 2021, as the number of 1v1's has come down, but only barely. That slight reduction doesn't seem to make any real difference if you compare W/L, percentage etc., so it's either a token measure that doesn't go far enough, or else there are real personnel / structural issues that require a genuine overhaul of our entire defensive system and mindset.
I enjoyed that. Interesting info IMO.
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Looking at that second graph, it's a massive credit to Weitering and Jones that, despite having the greatest number of 1v1's of the players graphed (each has about 6 1v1's per game), they have the highest win rate of those contests. Massive tick for both.
Looking at that second graph, it's a massive credit to Weitering and Jones that, despite having the greatest number of 1v1's of the players graphed (each has about 6 1v1's per game), they have the highest win rate of those contests. Massive tick for both.
That took my eye too.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/what-has-gone-wrong-with-carlton-this-year/100218856
I don't know whether this has been posted before but this article may explain why we have been struggling and will continue to do so unless things change.
Those boys do some very good work.
It was also mentioned by Jennings on SEN how we leak red time scores. Seems our fitness is still a massive issue and many of our players are jogging late in quarters and games and our midfield doesn't get back to defend.
Make some of our match committee selections more puzzling. Going too tall and rushing back under done players who can't run out games.
Richmond have always seemed to get numbers to the ball down back and their 1 vs 1's turn in to 1v 2's etc.....ideally you want team defense rather than one on ones IMO. Do we really want a player like Plowman left alone on those difficult matchup players.
Jones and Weitering are wallpapering plenty of cracks but those figures of how we play etc dont reflect well on Teague's tactics and Cripps cant be asking for big bucks based on some of those stats.
Richmond have always seemed to get numbers to the ball down back and their 1 vs 1's turn in to 1v 2's etc.....ideally you want team defense rather than one on ones IMO. Do we really want a player like Plowman left alone on those difficult matchup players.
Jones and Weitering are wallpapering plenty of cracks but those figures of how we play etc dont reflect well on Teague's tactics and Cripps cant be asking for big bucks based on some of those stats.
Im not sure if this is good planning, sucking the opposition in, or good team work.
I watch with interest. Teams like Richmond are able to force teams to attack where they want the opposition to.
The creates more opportunity for the numbers to form.
i.e. in the current game its go fast, go fast, go fast.
I think Richmond are able to manufacture the outnumber, by giving teams a certain spot to kick to. If they use that spot it actually looks like a dangerous play, but it limits the next kick to a weak chance of working.
This controls your opposition movement by design, and gives your backs and mids the best setup possible.
Sports has and always will be about territory. I can see frequently now, that teams that focus on unrelenting pressure get scored against by forward half turnovers. What this means, is that teams are welcoming the pressure, and focussing on creating outlets that deliberately expose the opposition to counter punch attacking. Geelong lead the stat of scores from defensive turnover this season for that reason.
It relies on a few factors. Line breaking ability (hence our attacking defenders rather than defensive defenders) good ball use, composure, and smarts.
We dont have an abundance of those so I am actually a fan of the way Teague sets us up.
Assuming that article has it right, the problem lies somewhere on the line connecting coaching instructions / structures and players adjusting / playing to those instructions.
If you look at the first graph, Teague has made adjustments from 2020 to 2021, as the number of 1v1's has come down, but only barely. That slight reduction doesn't seem to make any real difference if you compare W/L, percentage etc., so it's either a token measure that doesn't go far enough, or else there are real personnel / structural issues that require a genuine overhaul of our entire defensive system and mindset.
I think it's the latter Paul.
Every time I watch our games on TV, the expert comments blokes have a picnic on our poor defensive set ups, players ball-watching, poor positioning (or players badly out of position), not recognising opposition players' strengths (ie allowing left footers to get on their left), ad nauseum. Bolts had a more defensive gameplan but those same problems were still evident.
It's my belief that our players have never learned how to play AFL team defence and, consequently, we rely on individual efforts and winning one on one contests. Imagine how good Weiters would be if he was in Richmond's backline with five blokes who know how to play team defence.
I'm not sure that it's something that coaches can fix, although they should be able to address the basics. I can't help but think that our defence would more effective if we had beaten Brisbane to Luke Hodge. Daisy may have played a similar role, but not with the same impact and effectiveness.
Anyway, I hope Teague reads the article and takes some action to fix the problems.
Strange media conference from The TT today. Seemed very stilted with scripted responses. Really talked up how many things we're doing right!!! Dangerous to draw conclusions from this -- jumping at shadows -- but it really did seem to be a senior coach seriously under the pump (understandable).
I think it's the latter Paul.
Every time I watch our games on TV, the expert comments blokes have a picnic on our poor defensive set ups, players ball-watching, poor positioning (or players badly out of position), not recognising opposition players' strengths (ie allowing left footers to get on their left), ad nauseum. Bolts had a more defensive gameplan but those same problems were still evident.
It's my belief that our players have never learned how to play AFL team defence and, consequently, we rely on individual efforts and winning one on one contests. Imagine how good Weiters would be if he was in Richmond's backline with five blokes who know how to play team defence.
I'm not sure that it's something that coaches can fix, although they should be able to address the basics. I can't help but think that our defence would more effective if we had beaten Brisbane to Luke Hodge. Daisy may have played a similar role, but not with the same impact and effectiveness.
Anyway, I hope Teague reads the article and takes some action to fix the problems.
Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.
Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.
Agree and Ill just add that for what ever reason, our defence looked (to me least) more solid last year. Dont know if the stats say that or not, its my recollection of the games I watched.
Agree and Ill just add that for what ever reason, our defence looked (to me least) more solid last year. Dont know if the stats say that or not, its my recollection of the games I watched.
If we compare the %, points for, and points against for the whole of 2020 with the first 12 rounds this season, they are eerily similar.
2020 : 94.3%, 1017 PF, 1078 PA
2021 R12 : 92.4%, 1016 PF, 1099 PA
Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.
I don't think anyone could argue with your point, Pauly. It's exactly what has happened... we've gone from one extreme to the other. Perhaps The TT sold the coaching panel that he could deliver a more attacking style... not so dour, prettier, more of what the AFL wanted - better TV times meant better and more sponsors.
However, purely offensive sides get opened up easier and develop a softer, downhill skier mentality.
We have the talent to attack and attack well, but that should be after we've defended solidly and can, if things go wrong, resort to strong defensive structures.
It always worried me when The TT would comment, after being asked about our opponents, that he concentrates on our side only. There's an old saying, which is still true today (for gladiatorial sports & in war times)... 'first, know your opponent/enemy and expect their best'. And that suggests strong defensive strategies... then offense when you countered them/reduced their abilities.
Yes guys, it's the old adage, "if you want to win, first you have to make sure you don't lose".
Strange media conference from The TT today. Seemed very stilted with scripted responses. Really talked up how many things we're doing right!!! Dangerous to draw conclusions from this -- jumping at shadows -- but it really did seem to be a senior coach seriously under the pump (understandable).
Are you referring to the one on the CFC home page, that goes for about 12 minutes ?
If so, it sounded like most TT press conferences IMO. He said he believes that their systems are fine, and the problems are due to players failing to execute the system. Then added that once the players start executing the system correctly, if it still fails, then they would look at it (or words to that effect).
Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.
Causation or correlation.
Think you'll find the 6-6-6 rule came into being about the same time.
Our defence was better because we were playing 8 blokes in it. Not allowed to do that anymore.
Our defenders are better than they were a few years ago, they are just no longer getting the extra help they were getting previously.
Causation or correlation.
Think you'll find the 6-6-6 rule came into being about the same time.
Our defence was better because we were playing 8 blokes in it. Not allowed to do that anymore.
Our defenders are better than they were a few years ago, they are just no longer getting the extra help they were getting previously.
Yep
Giants by about 4 goals.
Our defence in 2016 and 2017 was pretty reasonable. Once Teague came on board in 2018, the focus shifted and the coherence from those 2 years just evaporated. I'm not sure what's up, and I have no interest in starting yet another slanging match, but his coaching history with us clearly shows a struggle / lack of interest in modern, sophisticated defensive setups. We are lucky that neither Weitering nor Jones have been out long term, because we would be stuffed. Teague's reliance on these two is excessive IMO.
We were still making the same basic defensive errors under Bolts Paul. In fact, we've been making them since the turn of the century :(
Are you referring to the one on the CFC home page, that goes for about 12 minutes ?
If so, it sounded like most TT press conferences IMO. He said he believes that their systems are fine, and the problems are due to players failing to execute the system. Then added that once the players start executing the system correctly, if it still fails, then they would look at it (or words to that effect).
That worries me!
Teague would benefit from an intensive media awareness course. However, a higher priority should be the AFL's level 4 coaching course ... but it's probably not a good look to send a senior coach on a coaching course.
That thinking - blaming the players for not executing the gameplan - is reminiscent of Pagan and Malthouse and I would like to think that Teague is more flexible and innovative than those two.
That worries me!
Teague would benefit from an intensive media awareness course. However, a higher priority should be the AFL's level 4 coaching course ... but it's probably not a good look to send a senior coach on a coaching course.
That thinking - blaming the players for not executing the gameplan - is reminiscent of Pagan and Malthouse and I would like to think that Teague is more flexible and innovative than those two.
I'm pretty sure Teague has done the coaching course.
I can't see the link, but someone with HS access might be able to confirm...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/six-assistants-locked-in-for-afls-level-4-coaching-course-as-they-eye-senior-gig/news-story/640055e06e7f6d7ab74ac4f56502365b
We were still making the same basic defensive errors under Bolts Paul. In fact, we've been making them since the turn of the century :(
It goes without saying that a team near the bottom for most of the last 20 years will have defensive issues, but the character and tone of the current situation seems different to me. Whatever grumps our players had with game plans / personalities of DP, MM and Bolts, the issues were deeper than structural IMO in those times. To my eyes, CFC June 2019 is pretty much the same as CFC June 2021, and whatever defensive issues we have now are principally structural in nature, and no one seems to be able overcome them. If our players still can't execute Teague's rather basic game plan after 2 1/2 seasons.....................
It goes without saying that a team near the bottom for most of the last 20 years will have defensive issues, but the character and tone of the current situation seems different to me. Whatever grumps our players had with game plans / personalities of DP, MM and Bolts, the issues were deeper than structural IMO in those times. To my eyes, CFC June 2019 is pretty much the same as CFC June 2021, and whatever defensive issues we have now are principally structural in nature, and no one seems to be able overcome them. If our players still can't execute Teague's rather basic game plan after 2 1/2 seasons.....................
It's not that the players can't execute the game plan, it's more that the players are lacking a basic understanding of positioning to guard territory and nullify opponents. Newman's spectacular and dangerous attempt to mark in our last game is a prime example. Rather than ball watching and flying with the flight, he should have been focused on stopping his opponent getting the ball.
And it's not just at the defensive end! Power's comments about having to teach Cuningham his starting positions is an indictment of our player development and all coaches in the Bolts/Teague era. Similarly, our haphazard forward fifty entries and key forward leading patterns that are as calculated as the last steps of a headless chook are not failures to execute a game plan, they're failures of development, coaching and on field leadership. In my previous post, I wondered about how good Weiters would be if he played for Richmond. How good would Harry be if he played for Melbourne?
I'm pretty sure Teague has done the coaching course.
I can't see the link, but someone with HS access might be able to confirm...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/six-assistants-locked-in-for-afls-level-4-coaching-course-as-they-eye-senior-gig/news-story/640055e06e7f6d7ab74ac4f56502365b
You could be right, but his name isn't on the last list of all Level 4 graduates that I have seen. The AFL seems to have backed away from it's intention to make the Level 4 mandatory for senior coaches.
I think it's the latter Paul.
Every time I watch our games on TV, the expert comments blokes have a picnic on our poor defensive set ups, players ball-watching, poor positioning (or players badly out of position), not recognising opposition players' strengths (ie allowing left footers to get on their left), ad nauseum. Bolts had a more defensive gameplan but those same problems were still evident.
It's my belief that our players have never learned how to play AFL team defence and, consequently, we rely on individual efforts and winning one on one contests. Imagine how good Weiters would be if he was in Richmond's backline with five blokes who know how to play team defence.
I'm not sure that it's something that coaches can fix, although they should be able to address the basics. I can't help but think that our defence would more effective if we had beaten Brisbane to Luke Hodge. Daisy may have played a similar role, but not with the same impact and effectiveness.
Anyway, I hope Teague reads the article and takes some action to fix the problems.
Very easy to pick apart what went wrong with replays.
Reality is there's two teams determining that.
Yes guys, it's the old adage, "if you want to win, first you have to make sure you don't lose".
The art of war by sun tsu's lessons vary but you need to know a lot.
Here is one quote:
Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength.
He did also state:
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. #
Chang Yu said: "Knowing the enemy enables you to take the offensive, knowing yourself enables you to stand on the defensive." He adds: "Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack." It would be hard to find a better epitome of the root-principle of war.
I think we are still learning about ourselves which is why I'm not worried about opposition focus.
Very easy to pick apart what went wrong with replays.
Reality is there's two teams determining that.
The art of war by sun tsu's lessons vary but you need to know a lot.
Here is one quote:
Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength.
He did also state:
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. #
Chang Yu said: "Knowing the enemy enables you to take the offensive, knowing yourself enables you to stand on the defensive." He adds: "Attack is the secret of defense; defense is the planning of an attack." It would be hard to find a better epitome of the root-principle of war.
I think we are still learning about ourselves which is why I'm not worried about opposition focus.
Who is watching replays Thry? I don't, and I suspect that our players and coaches don't watch them either.
Sun Tzu was a smart cookie, but he knew nothing about footy. I'd prefer to listen to the likes of Luke Hodge and Jimmy Bartel; they know what they're talking about.
And it's not about opposition focus, it's about football basics in 2021.
Who is watching replays Thry? I don't, and I suspect that our players and coaches don't watch them either.
Sun Tzu was a smart cookie, but he knew nothing about footy. I'd prefer to listen to the likes of Luke Hodge and Jimmy Bartel; they know what they're talking about.
And it's not about opposition focus, it's about football basics in 2021.
Nah I was thinking about how we setup, what the goal is, and what actually occurs are two very different beasts.
They are happy to look at what doesnt work defensively, but ignore the fact that defense and offense are linked in different ways.
I.e. we setup offensively instead of defensively, and then our opposition has to win the contest to exploit that. If we setup defensively, then even if we win the contest we can't make use of it and our opposition are still going to setup to take advantage of that.
Our team suffers from mentality issues not execution problems.
You change the way you setup and it makes life harder for both of you. We don't need to make it harder for ourselves to score just to limit the damage if we are beaten.
Those same experts were lauding Mitch Duncan setting up offensive side of the contest against Richmond which works to exploit them setting up offensively.
If Geelong are doing this then what we need to do is getting better at recognising when to do what.
Our team suffers from mentality issues not execution problems.
It does not have to be one or the other, it can be both, and one can be contributing to the other like a feedback loop! ;D
Weather is lousy. Windy and intermittent rain. Should be an ugly old scrap.
It does not have to be one or the other, it can be both, and one can be contributing to the other like a feedback loop! ;D
Very true.
Still, id rather we make teams beat us in an effort to beat them, rather than lineup to negate them hoping to win.
Its a small but poignant change in philosophy. Of course we can always do both, but thats about learning about situations.
Newnes is our sub. Ash for the Giants.
Newnes is our sub. Ash for the Giants.
Surely we can use the med sub on someone other this bloke.
A kid? Help the ex skipper crawl to 300.
Surely we can use the med sub on someone other this bloke.
A kid? Help the ex skipper crawl to 300.
Are we a charity?
Newnes can cover just about anyone should we get an injury besides the talls.
Imagine Murphy having to cover a half back flank injury?
Send a good lesson to the entire list. Do the 1%ers and you'll get picked. Don't and you won't.....regardless of how many games you've played.
Weather is lousy. Windy and intermittent rain. Should be an ugly old scrap.
Yet Toby Greene will somehow get free and boot five. Apparently, he plays with a different football to our players.
We interested in a thrashing this week? Looks like it by our start. Poor footy.