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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3255 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Pot meet kettle.

Tin foil hat theory.

It lives in the same area as the pandemic is a control mechanism and doesn't actually exist.
Not really, it's just general commentary on human nature, all those panels are susceptible to the authorities that select them. You might see a whistle-blower, but usually that comes after the fact, very rarely do they stick up their head before the battle is decided. They exist in self-preservation.

Surely you are not asserting that people don't have motives for different behaviours, because based on all you have to say about the lockdown so far that would seem to be cherry-picking!

We bump the age limit up to 60, some jurisdictions drop it to 40, both cite the very same science as justification for acting exactly opposite. Some locations have even approved AZ for kids. That is about bureaucracy and human nature, nothing to do with science.

If they really wanted to just follow the science, they'd be recommending AZ for men and Pfizer for women, regardless of age. But they won't because the woke feminists will scream murder and misogyny. So instead they just set an genderless whatever the feck you identify as age bracket.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3256 –
Quote from: DJC on
Combating the long term effects of COVID:

https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2021/release/combating-long-term-effects-of-covid?referrer=organic_social&referrertype=linkedin&fbclid=IwAR1HuxcTHCyl6gCC361OKQ3LDPp-Q_g5IZUug9IROuIKtM0A0xiO2DbuxS8

I can’t wait to get my second AstraZeneca jab!
Yep, feck that long COVID, even if you had a mild infection you could be in for long term pain.

The naysayers in the media and politics just aren't respecting the long term effects of a Sars-CoV-2 infection. They spend all their time talking about the deaths, ignoring the disabilities. I think that Nature Podcast I linked asserted much the same, it talks a bit about QALY and DALY.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3257 –
Quote from: LP on
For people already infected it's unlikely for any vaccine or antibody therapy to work well, it takes weeks for full immunity to build. It's a bit of a moon shot!

I've read some people on social media comparing this antibody therapy to fecal transplants, but that is very wrong. A fecal transplant introduces good bacteria to compete with and displace bad bacteria. It's a war in your gut not in your blood stream, and you probably have this happen dozens of time per year whenever you ingest the some raw food.

Foreign antibodies in introduced to your blood stream are not a normal occurrence.

For me that report just proves how important it is to be vaccinated before you get a Sars-Cov-2 infection.

Personally, without having any expertise, I think antibody therapies are far far riskier than the vaccines. Vaccines cause your own body to make it's own antibodies, antibody therapy introduces a foreign or synthetic antibody. There is a possibility when introducing a foreign antibody that someone's immune system will react strongly.

Making your own antibodies is a normal everyday occurrence, from pretty much any infection based illness.

Phage therapy is very popular in the Soviet block, it's closer to antibody therapy, but when it goes wrong it's seriously devastating.
Not my field of expertise, its an interesting angle in treatment but seems full of issues, risks, lack of conclusive results..
This link is a bit of an overview of it all, you are right about the Russians dabbling with it although no data available.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/monoclonal-antibodies-for-covid-19-what-do-we-know-so-far#Anti-CD6-monoclonal-antibodies

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3258 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Not my field of expertise, its an interesting angle in treatment but seems full of issues, risks, lack of conclusive results..
This link is a bit of an overview of it all, you are right about the Russians dabbling with it although no data available.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/monoclonal-antibodies-for-covid-19-what-do-we-know-so-far#Anti-CD6-monoclonal-antibodies
While there are legitimate hopes for macrophage therapy in treating very serious illness, like cancer, over in Russia it's their health system version of homeopathy. They use it for everything, with extreme claims it can cure poorness, change your luck, or even make your dingle dangle longer!

There are stories of miracle cures for people western medicine had given up on, but there are stories of young wannabe girls going to be treated for acne and ending up on a slab in a morgue!

That is not to say monoclonal antibody or macrophage research isn't worthwhile or isn't viable, but it would be truly ironic for vaccine naysayers to boost either ahead of a 50 year old vaccine technology like AZ or Novavax!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3260 –
Mother in law has had her second jab and has been experiencing cramps in her legs. The doctor said it's a side effect and to keep an eye on it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3261 –
Quote from: Mav on
Wow, I’ve gone from Communist to Fascist in the space of 1 tweet. I’m waiting with bated breath for the next tweet but I fear you’ve gone too hard too early. You should have left a little ammunition in reserve ...

You have never heard of red fascism?

I am shocked, here I was thinking you knew everything.

I leave you this point to ponder:

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The world will now understand that the only real 'ideological' issue is one between democracy, liberty and peace on the one hand and despotism, terror and war on the other.

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.

look to our leaders to determine whether or not your freedom is slipping away from you for your own good:

Have your vaccine its safe (3 months later, over 60's only).
Flies to NZ and UK to even though we are in a global pandemic, the vaccine is no guarantee of transmission nor efficacy, and yet goes anyway...
Sutton goes to Canberra for an awards ceremony just as we are unlocking the state on our most recent outbreak and we have a rule implemented that states no trip to mount bulla without a negative swab....

Dont question the leader!  Where have we heard that one before? 

The outrage in me grows because I see the hypocrisy both up close and personal every day and have done so for the last year which leads me to believe the following:

This disease isn't dangerous, nor is it highly transmissable.

ELSE:  Scomo stays home because the vaccine isn't bullet proof and mr Sutton doesnt go to Canberra for an awards ceremony at a time, where we cant go to the snow without a covid test.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3262 –
Of course the hard right would come up with “red fascism”. These are the guys who blame Antifa for the insurrection while peaceful Trump-supporting patriots and picnic-goers enjoyed the wonderful carnival atmosphere in and around the Capitol building. And of course as Majorie Green-Taylor has noted, the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party so it was a communist front. As if right-wingers with their love of individual freedoms would ever impinge on the rights of others ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3263 –
How about the dingbat from Victoria who tried to escape hotel quarantine in Qld but ended up in hospital after a big fall. “You’ll never take my freedom!” ... splat ... I guess you can, after all.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3264 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Mother in law has had her second jab and has been experiencing cramps in her legs. The doctor said it's a side effect and to keep an eye on it.

Meanwhile, the side effects mount....

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-17-06-2021

or the UK....

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions#history

Nothing to see here.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3265 –
5 out of those 12 new cases of TTS are over 60 with one being a 59 year yet the Government say its safe for 60 plus citizens to have the AstraZ???????...How many folk out there actually would look at the TGA website to get all these updates/warnings/what to look for etc? Not many IMHO. Why isnt this information being broadcast along with Scotty Cams message to go and get jabbed?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3266 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
This disease isn't dangerous, nor is it highly transmissable.
Good to see you’re owning the belief that drives your posts. Any restriction, no matter how insignificant, would be unwarranted if your belief were correct.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3267 –
Notice that 40% of reported clot cases are considered serious, 23 for Australia.

13 of the 23 required ICU, 2 of the 13 sadly perished.

For both Pfizer and AZ, about 75% of cases are female.

Most male cases are elderly and/or have significant underlying health issues.

So far in Australia there have been 6.1 Million doses administered, I think that means it is safer than eating nuts!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3268 –
Pfizer jab 1 done, only side effect is Carlton is still s-house.
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