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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Micky0 on
Not surprised by the loss, felt like we've gotten out of jail a few times and the boys looked spent the past few weeks.

Still am very happy with the year to date, they've exceeded my expectations in every way and I'm still proud of them (disclaimer - I haven't seen any of the Saints game)

Be prepared to travel back in time - second to the ball all day, basic skill errors, crucial turnovers, smashed out the centre, no systematic forays into the forward line, ineffectual tackling, a seemingly half-hearted Gibbs ...
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #61 –
Saints were smarting after last week and came out determined to make a point. With us being as flat as we were, it was a perfect storm in a sense.

Those saying that Bolts was out coached may have a point. He looked a little sheepish in his presser, kept those flunky cliches to a minimum, and actually spoke about the game.

And teams will always over possess the footy when they have no options to pass to - and they have no options to pass to because nobody's running to create those options - and they're not running because....................you get the picture.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #62 –
The first 10 mins of the game set the tone. As pointed out by others , we played the game in our back half. They flooded and we went into our shell because we couldnt go to our fast release game. They bottled us up and we went looking for the wrong way out. Wether were stuffed I am not sure off, I would think at this time of the year players would be still in good nick. We couldnt play on our terms which has won us games lately , it came as a shock and we were the deer in the head lights. Dont think coaches reacted quick enough to some situations, but maybe that was also designed to leave players there see there reactions , hard to tell.
Lets move on , 6 months ago , we would all have taken the win/loss count we are at. It was part of the growth , one step back , hopefully 2 steps forward

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #63 –
Its the best start we've had to the season for a few years - defeated Geelong , Collingwood and Essendon... Freo at Freo....I am happy with the game plan - really happy actually , now need to develop and play our 10 year + players.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game ________: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Brettie on
Nup - disagree......losing to the Saints totally cancels-out beating Geelong. Give me an honourable loss to a renowned gun team & then beat the teams around/below us everyday of the week (if I had the choice).

Why? He was arguably our worst/most ineffective player out there today.

Put this one in the time capsule, possibly an alcohol induced post. I think one can only say that if their expectations are too high.

We have struggled to beat top teams for such a long time and the Geelong win shows us that the brand and method of football we play is capable of doing damage.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #65 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Saints were smarting after last week and came out determined to make a point. With us being as flat as we were, it was a perfect storm in a sense.

It's also amazing how often a key 'out' (Reiwoldt) will advantage the impacted team by way of new opportunities and alternatives which make planning more problematic. Geelong didn't seem to miss Hawkins on Saturday. Agree it was the perfect storm. Still disappointed though.
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #66 –
Quote from: pinot on
Its the best start we've had to the season for a few years - defeated Geelong , Collingwood and Essendon... Freo at Freo....I am happy with the game plan - really happy actually , now need to develop and play our 10 year + players.

Geelong and Port have been the only wins of note but I'll still take it because it's been a while since we could beat anyone half decent.
We need to keep turning players over until we settle the side and this will take another couple of years, but the basics are there because our back 6 is above average.
Tuohy, Docherty, Byrne and Simpson are as good as any group of running backs going around, Weitering will be a star and Plowman looks solid enough.
A couple of forwards minimum is a must, and a hope that Charlie Curnow is one of them, another classy midfielder as well.
The draft this year will be critical.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #67 –
Showed the need to bolster our midfield stocks!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #68 –
Was at the game and while disapointed i saw it coming. Always a danger when you play a team quicker then yours cause if you are not switched on and willing to work hard even a lesser side will cut you up. Remember the years under ratten one thing we had was pace and we knocked over many teams we shouldn't have by cutting them open if they were a little off.

Same happened yesterday.

Stevens and co were not checked anywhere near enough and they destroyed us as a result.  Curnow/Cripps/Gibbs all wrong choices for Stevens. Had to go left field and try Armfield or even one of the Irish boys.

Bad coaching if we wanted to win but I'm confident Bolts would have made the switch but making a move to lesson his effort would have given the mids an out which maybe he didn't want to do.

The mids were not only outpaced but out worked on the spread. We underestimated what damage they could do if we didn't close them down. Hopefully lesson is learnt.

Time to bring some more kids in. I hear we had the 3rd oldest list this weekend. Time to get some games into more players that will be part of our future. 

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #69 –
This is a critical time. It's like the culture of the past 15 years or more finally banged into BBs culture of, amongst many things, leadership density. For so long we've relied on our champs. Tiredness may have played a small part in yesterday but it seemed more about leadership laziness which could sure look like body tiredness.

I'm sure there is an amount of physical tiredness as this is probably the hardest our boys have had to train and work for many, many years (both mentally and physically) and it will take time to harden their bodies and ingrain a leadership response/thinking... it'll take time to create the 'Brutal Blues'... as yesterday and at times against Brisvegas there were periods of the old 'comfortable Carlton.'

Then there's simply the personnel issue...
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #70 –
This is effectively the same team that's been up for over a month. We beat the current flag favourites convincingly and had good wins over several other teams.

A couple of questionable match ups, a bit of inexperience in the coaches' box, and fatigue. That's it IMO.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #71 –
I think the repeat games at Etihad is a big contributing factor.  We were very lethargic and simply couldn't run with them.  Poor coaching as well I must say, but more than anything we were a team longing for the bye to come ASAP.
 

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #72 –
We played a man down with Walker on the ground. Bolts waited until 1/4 time to drag him (too late). Jogged around chasing the pack or lazily looking for a speccie in the goalsquare ..actually spoilt a Gorringe attempted mark which he had no right to. Unbelievable. The guy has no pace anymore and has lost his leap. If Silvagni can add 5kg of bulk/muscle to his frame surely he is a shoe-in for a leading forward role ?

Why did we play every slow short/stocky player on the list yesterday when St.Kilda had 2 tall forwards and 2 tall backmen out ? Richo must have been mightily relieved to see all our tall backup forwards playing at Box Hill on Saturday. Running us off our feet was always the plan for them...so why did we play our fatigued small & slowish forwards ?

Having Levi as a sole focal point in attack never works and needs sorting before next year. We need Harry, Jakcz & Silvagni in the team ASAP. Look for a specialist Membrey-like leading forward type in the draft as we can't play all the small forwards in the same team (Wright, Army, Lamb, Sumner). Playing our small forwards up on the wing was a recipe for disaster. No defensive angle to their game. We needed Byrne and Boekhurst..true wingmen and ball carriers.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #73 –
As others have said, Bolton and team were on the back foot from the start, with St Kilda's press impenetrable for the first 15 minutes or so. And then throughout the second quarter it became blindingly obvious that we needed a couple of targets down the line as it became very easy for St Kida's defenders to run Casboult under and away from the ball with some effective blocking - in hindsight, Everett or Gorringe should have provided a second target from the start of the game and we should have held our forward structure irrespective of St Kilda's full press.

Liked Plowman's  and Docherty's games, but the game highlighted a number of issues to resolve for GWS (in addition to learning to deal with a press)

1.Kreuzer,s lack of impact at centre bounces and inability to mark
2.Tuohy's deteriorating awareness in traffic
3.Ciaran Byrne underutilised
4.Thomas continuing to chase cheap handball receives and offering meaningless 5 meter pass options
5.Everitt's and Gorringe's lack of intensity
6.lack of a target other than Casboult

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Debster on
We need Harry, Jakcz & Silvagni in the team ASAP.

I can't understand people pushing for Jaksch to be in the seniors.
He's played lots of VFL games and the coaching staff and match committee have had a good look at him, yet this weekend we named young Silvagni ahead of him and Plowman has gone straight past him.
I think we need to realise that it's unlikely that he'll measure up and that GWS got the better of the Jaksch/Whiley/Boekhorst deal.
It happens, some trades work out and others don't, we did well trading out Menzel, Henderson and Yarran and exceptionally well trading Hampson for Docherty.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.