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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Last post by northernblue -
Too kind LN, compared to coaches and experts I'm a dumb ass, but I would have planned and would have put in a truckload of work into ensuring Keays and Walker had minimal impact.
Watching the replay, gee we dropped a lot of marks. And we had our chances to to either hold onto to the 16 pt lead or seal it when they came back. Owies stubs a toe, Charlie drops a marks, Zac W dropped spilled the ball which resulted in Mudguts (dead set Fogarty is fatter than me) picking it up and drilling a pass to the top of the square, Adelaide goal.
As Vossy said, we have got a lot right in the dyeing minutes if the first 4 weeks, we farked up the last few minutes this week. C'est la vie.

That’s it in a nutshell.
If you drop marks, miss targets and fumble, any coach or game plan will struggle to get you over the line.
It’s certainly not panic stations it’s a learning opportunity.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Gointocarlton -
The case should not have even got to court in the first place, there was no evidence, only the words of two drunks who were as stupid and as ill advised as each other. Speculative BS at best.
But the most intriguing fact of all to me is that a security guard allegedly finds Higgins naked the next morning, in an office, in Parliament House no less, without pass and they simply let her get dressed and leave. Turn it up. Surely as a guard who has worked in security there for 12 years, you make her stay exactly where she is, in the state she is in, call the head of security (who should have notified the federal police) and get to the bottom as to why a woman is naked in a Senators office, with no security pass in a drunken state. Clearly a failure by security.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Last post by Gointocarlton -
I agree. Although I don’t think you're a dumb a$$. More of a well informed passionate observer of all things navy blue! 😉
Too kind LN, compared to coaches and experts I'm a dumb ass, but I would have planned and would have put in a truckload of work into ensuring Keays and Walker had minimal impact.
Watching the replay, gee we dropped a lot of marks. And we had our chances to to either hold onto to the 16 pt lead or seal it when they came back. Owies stubs a toe, Charlie drops a marks, Zac W dropped spilled the ball which resulted in Mudguts (dead set Fogarty is fatter than me) picking it up and drilling a pass to the top of the square, Adelaide goal.
As Vossy said, we have got a lot right in the dyeing minutes if the first 4 weeks, we farked up the last few minutes this week. C'est la vie.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Last post by LoveNavy -
And what, they didn't know these blokes are pacy? They didn't know Keays was going to kick 3 or 4? They didn't know Walker knows a thing or two about playing FF and kicking straight? Shame on them because I'm a dumb ass and I knew all the above.

I agree. Although I don’t think you're a dumb a$$. More of a well informed passionate observer of all things navy blue! 😉
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Gointocarlton -
You might need to fabricate some corroborating evidence and set up some eye witnesses first. 
All I need is cctv of us going in and out of the room. Then Ill find an "expert lip reader" (farken lol) to say my boss was "seen"  saying she wanted to see my boobies in a meeting a room and voila', she's a rapist (on the balance of probability)...apparently.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -
You must have extraordinary powers of observation to determine people’s intent from a couple of seconds of CCTV footage.

And yet eyewitnesses at the nightclub and security at Parliament House gave evidence that clearly contradicts your assessment of Higgins and Lehrmann’s state of sobriety.

Unless you sat through the entire trial and carefully considered every piece of material evidence and every sentence of testimony from Higgins, Lehrmann and all of the witnesses, you’re not really in a position to dispute Justice Lee’s findings.

Of course you can have an opinion, but it’s not worth much in this particular context.

Not sure about all of that but that version of events aired on TV showed plenty of footage, before and after of all parties.  I've seen messy people before who might look like they're being taken advantage of, and the footage that I've seen of both parties on the night suggests that potentially this is not correct.

Want me to explain Lehrmanns credit card?  Easy.  Did he buy drinks just for Brittany?  How would one know who consumed those drinks once they've left the bar?

Did Higgins consume them all?  Again unsure but as she walked into parliament house on the security footage I've seen with my own eyes, I dont think she was anywhere near out of it.  To the contrary she was walking in barefoot, holding her shoes, and able to balance herself quite easily. 

Now from the transcripts:

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  Mr Fairweather recalled a general smell of alcohol but did not think that the visitors were overly affected (by which he meant slurring, falling over, vomiting level drunk) so as to be refused entry (Fairweather (at [29]–[32], [62])). He considered the scale of intoxication to be “very moderate” and not “heavily intoxicated” because otherwise he would have refused entry (T1172.4–27). Mr Fairweather, although an experienced security guard, was not a breathalyser in human form. He said at the time they were “half pissed” (Ex R69). I have no doubt his evidence was given genuinely, but without prolonged examination and complete information as to what had occurred earlier in the evening (and although Mr Lehrmann may only have been “half pissed”), he mistakenly but honestly underestimated the extent of the intoxication of Ms Higgins. Similarly, Ms Anderson realised Ms Higgins was intoxicated after she observed her struggling to get her shoes back on coming through the metal detector (Anderson (at [27]–[28])) and later recorded this observation in her incident report (Ex R67).

The security guards shared my opinion.

Now this was later changed based on what has been perceived to occur.  It seeks to absolve and ratify.  Absolve security from not realising how drunk she was as well as explain how drunk people can pull it together, but what this does do is actually point to Higgins being no where near completely out to lunch.

Was she raped?  I dont know.

Was she taken advantage of?  Maybe.

I'm not convinced this is rape, but I wouldn't be putting myself in these situations to begin with, on either side of that fence.