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Title: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 26, 2017, 10:47:41 am
We get a 6 day break, while Adelaide get 9 days. Even their 2nds had an extra day.
They were embarrassed last week and will be looking to bounce back.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: maxm68 on June 26, 2017, 12:11:47 pm
out - Pickett Boakhorst Smedts Graham SPS

IN -  Help me out please :D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2017, 12:19:31 pm
out - Pickett Boakhorst Smedts Graham SPS

IN -  Help me out please :D

I guess Fisher, Cunningham and Williamson if fit would be straight back in.....White and Palmer might be in the mix, Byrne needs another couple of games....

They may not drop all five of those players you suggested, a couple might get another chance.....eg Graham and SPS...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: maxm68 on June 26, 2017, 12:29:28 pm
I guess Fisher, Cunningham and Williamson if fit would be straight back in.....White and Palmer might be in the mix, Byrne needs another couple of games....

They may not drop all five of those players you suggested, a couple might get another chance.....eg Graham and SPS...


I think Samo needs a kick up the bum... he hasn't done anything since the Collingwood game.... send him back to the twos and sharpen him up a bit
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 26, 2017, 12:49:13 pm
I guess Fisher, Cunningham and Williamson if fit would be straight back in.....White and Palmer might be in the mix, Byrne needs another couple of games....

They may not drop all five of those players you suggested, a couple might get another chance.....eg Graham and SPS...

If they had put White in, we might have been able to release Jones up the field and then we would have had some chance of a few run-down tackles.

I think the hit on Lamb put the wind up some of our smaller/younger blokes and they basically stopped tackling with full intent!

I think Samo needs a kick up the bum... he hasn't done anything since the Collingwood game.... send him back to the twos and sharpen him up a bit

100% Agree, if SPS and Pickett aren't chasing down opponents they are next to worthless!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2017, 01:06:45 pm
Yep, Samo has gone MIA.

Time for a run in the 2s....

Will Fisher, Willo and Cunners be back this week?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 26, 2017, 01:27:42 pm
Time to bring in the fringe players to see if they are up to it.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 26, 2017, 01:31:39 pm
Time to bring in the fringe players to see if they are up to it.

e.g. Buckley??
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2017, 01:32:56 pm
Time to bring in the fringe players to see if they are up to it.

Smedts, Boekhorst, Graham, Pickett are the fringe... I guess Buckley, White and Palmer are the next inline fringe....Buckley may have been useful vs the Tigers small forwards, not sure Bolton thought their forward line through too much, we probably had 1-2 too many tall backs...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 26, 2017, 03:26:26 pm
Palmer should be playing. useful mid and can kick goals.....
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on June 26, 2017, 03:42:31 pm
If Pickett deserved a game surely Buckley did as well. Could have been handy as that small half forward/wing/small defender. He is a versatile player I would play him in front of Boekhorst/Pickett/Smedts by a mile.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 26, 2017, 04:31:05 pm
Smedts, Boekhorst, Graham, Pickett are the fringe... I guess Buckley, White and Palmer are the next inline fringe....Buckley may have been useful vs the Tigers small forwards, not sure Bolton thought their forward line through too much, we probably had 1-2 too many tall backs...

I think Jones, once he has gained enough experience, is agile enough to play tall or small, as is Marchbank.

Jones has incredible closing speed, and looks to have a greatly improved tank.

But I agree, assuming Buckley actually got into position he wouldn't have shrugged that marking attempt in the last. Would he have kicked the goal, who knows!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2017, 05:35:33 pm
If Pickett deserved a game surely Buckley did as well. Could have been handy as that small half forward/wing/small defender. He is a versatile player I would play him in front of Boekhorst/Pickett/Smedts by a mile.

Been a bit off Buckley but tend to agree he probably can play a few more positions...small lock down defender has been an issue for a long while..
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 26, 2017, 06:17:02 pm
I wonder if there are some politics going on at PP? Pickett and Smedts getting a gig ahead of Palmer, White and even Kerridge is perplexing. As is persisting with Samo who seems to have let all the publicity go to his head.

Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: JonHenry on June 26, 2017, 06:29:00 pm
I wonder if there are some politics going on at PP? Pickett and Smedts getting a gig ahead of Palmer, White and even Kerridge is perplexing. As is persisting with Samo who seems to have let all the publicity go to his head.
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Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 26, 2017, 07:23:24 pm
The Dawks poked the bear last week, now we are going to cop the retaliation this week.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 26, 2017, 07:27:28 pm
Crows are pretenders IMO...beat up big on the poor teams but the ones who play with a bit of grunt worry them....if we pick a good team we will be competitive.
Maybe Gibbs can up his trade value with a BOG......
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 26, 2017, 07:50:51 pm
out - Pickett Boakhorst Smedts Graham SPS

IN -  Help me out please :D

Hopefully Fisher, Cuningham and Williamson are fit. Time to play Jaksch to just to find out what he got before we make a decision on him. The lack of a 2nd key forward hurt big time last week.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 26, 2017, 09:45:30 pm
Time to play Jaksch to just to find out what he got before we make a decision on him.

Fantasyland. Jaksch is in exactly the same position as Jones. We know exactly what they have to offer until, over a 4-5 week period in the NBs they can show us something different they can offer. Compare the pair, Jaksch is one dimensional, inconsistent and lacks purpose (lazy).
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 26, 2017, 10:33:39 pm
Fantasyland. Jaksch is in exactly the same position as Jones. We know exactly what they have to offer until, over a 4-5 week period in the NBs they can show us something different they can offer. Compare the pair, Jaksch is one dimensional, inconsistent and lacks purpose (lazy).

Sadly, that's very true. 

Like many supporters, I was expecting Jaksch to be the swingman that would change our fortunes.  It's not going to happen and there'll be a spot on our list in 2018.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: sandsmere on June 27, 2017, 06:03:05 am
hard to bring Buckley in when he has been doing stuff all in the VFL.

Jacksh the same.

Kerridge and Palmer are the 2 standouts from the twos at the moment.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 27, 2017, 08:05:23 am
hard to bring Buckley in when he has been doing stuff all in the VFL.

Jacksh the same.

Kerridge and Palmer are the 2 standouts from the twos at the moment.

We already know that Kerridge and Palmer are only stop gaps and not part of the future. I would only play them in the seniors if we have to.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 27, 2017, 08:18:36 am
Kerridge still has plenty to offer....

I've seen him play some bloody good games.....
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Jeffy38 on June 27, 2017, 09:03:57 am
hard to bring Buckley in when he has been doing stuff all in the VFL.

Jacksh the same.

Kerridge and Palmer are the 2 standouts from the twos at the moment.

Buckley was decent on the weekend from what I saw. Probably has a tendency to bomb it when running at pace which may be the thing holding him back. Defensively was ok. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a game soon.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 27, 2017, 09:16:13 am
Kerridge still has plenty to offer....

I've seen him play some bloody good games.....

He's a foot soldier IMO FB. We need to be searching for better, but he's OK when we really need him for the time being. From my observations he certainly puts in but seems to fumble too often and makes too many poor decisions for my taste.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: JonHenry on June 27, 2017, 01:12:44 pm
He's a foot soldier IMO FB. We need to be searching for better, but he's OK when we really need him for the time being. From my observations he certainly puts in but seems to fumble too often and makes too many poor decisions for my taste.

His fumbling and decision making are not too bad when lined up against his disposal.
That is his major flaw.
You cannot maintain possession with his disposal
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 27, 2017, 01:23:44 pm
His fumbling and decision making are not too bad when lined up against his disposal.
That is his major flaw.
You cannot maintain possession with his disposal

Lead up HFF.

You have to have something to kick 6 a few times as a mid/forward....
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 27, 2017, 01:25:10 pm
Fantasyland. Jaksch is in exactly the same position as Jones. We know exactly what they have to offer until, over a 4-5 week period in the NBs they can show us something different they can offer. Compare the pair, Jaksch is one dimensional, inconsistent and lacks purpose (lazy).

We know Jaksch continues to play well at both ends of the ground in the VFL. Leads well, excellent mark and kicks well. Hits the scoreboard when forward and takes marks when back. I want to know if he can translate that to the AFL before we make a decision on him.

Admittedly that lack of purpose, as you say, maybe is keeping him out of the side. Otherwise he's certainly had the form to get a run in the seniors. We're missing a 2nd key forward. Unless we want to pick McKay, who has good VFL form but is developing still, then may as well be selecting Jaksch and see what he has to offer.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 27, 2017, 01:28:32 pm
Look forward to most weeks. We are a chance every week no matter who we play. We may not win that often being a young, developing side, but we are always competitive with anyone, which always gives us some chance and keeps things interesting.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 27, 2017, 01:46:14 pm
We know Jaksch continues to play well at both ends of the ground in the VFL.

Just a slight revision!

Jaksch had far less impact in recent weeks than White, Palmer, Sheahan or Byrne. I'd back any of them to fill a defense role and give Marchbank a crack at playing inside the F50 as a marking / tackling forward.

I'd rather see Palmer get a crack inside F50 than Jaksch.

I don't want to see Weiters rotated forward, he's immediately a better player across the field once he gets switched down back. He has a natural attacking edge, they should let him push forward on occasions, he seems to be better at pushing forward than Marchbank. Marchbank looks to me to be a more capable lead-up forward than Weitering. Williamson is another type that can defend and push forward to attack.

The clubs just needs to give them some license to improvise!

Have we failed to leverage Kreuzer's good form, is he pushing forward enough?

Watching at the weekend, I warmed to the idea of playing Levi as a CHB, but only when the conditions and opposition suit that tactic. But we need a better F50 setup to allow him to be left behind the play. At the weekend he played behind the ball while rucking and looked OK, but our F50 was left midget sized and ineffective. Perhaps if White had played he could have pushed forward.

Losing Fisher and Cunningham left us looking slow around the field, not just because of the lack of pace but because we became tentative and slow in decision making as well.

Lets no forget Kerridge, who has been in good form and has kicked bags of 6, 4 and 3 for Adelaide!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pew2 on June 27, 2017, 02:12:12 pm
we need to bring runners in ,adl move the ball much like richmond fro there half back line.Maybe buckly,armfield ,polson,
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 27, 2017, 03:34:54 pm
we need to bring runners in ,adl move the ball much like richmond fro there half back line.Maybe buckly,armfield ,polson,

Nthmond wanted us to turn it over, they left numbers forward of the ball nearly all day long expecting one of our blokes would stuff up under the influence of defensive pressure acts. Further, they relied on our slow movement to enable them to get back and cover for their own mistakes, which were plenty.

Too many times I saw Carlton players with numbers at the fall of the ball stuff it up, often in a 2 on 1 scenario, which should never happen at AFL level.

Was the worst games of AFL I have been to see this year by some margin!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Inboltswetrust on June 27, 2017, 04:01:35 pm
I guess Fisher, Cunningham and Williamson if fit would be straight back in.....White and Palmer might be in the mix, Byrne needs another couple of games....

They may not drop all five of those players you suggested, a couple might get another chance.....eg Graham and SPS...

I would drop Graham (for ever). SPS would be ok to keep for another week.  He is young and I think it's more about his body not being AFl ready yet rather than lack of effort.  Graham is simply not up to AFL level.  He slaughters the footy and has poor vision.  Casbolt should go too- replaced with Harry and Kerr for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 27, 2017, 04:19:22 pm
Just a slight revision!

Jaksch had far less impact in recent weeks than White, Palmer, Sheahan or Byrne. I'd back any of them to fill a defense role and give Marchbank a crack at playing inside the F50 as a marking / tackling forward.

I'd rather see Palmer get a crack inside F50 than Jaksch.

I don't want to see Weiters rotated forward, he's immediately a better player across the field once he gets switched down back. He has a natural attacking edge, they should let him push forward on occasions, he seems to be better at pushing forward than Marchbank. Marchbank looks to me to be a more capable lead-up forward than Weitering. Williamson is another type that can defend and push forward to attack.

The clubs just needs to give them some license to improvise!

Have we failed to leverage Kreuzer's good form, is he pushing forward enough?

Watching at the weekend, I warmed to the idea of playing Levi as a CHB, but only when the conditions and opposition suit that tactic. But we need a better F50 setup to allow him to be left behind the play. At the weekend he played behind the ball while rucking and looked OK, but our F50 was left midget sized and ineffective. Perhaps if White had played he could have pushed forward.

Losing Fisher and Cunningham left us looking slow around the field, not just because of the lack of pace but because we became tentative and slow in decision making as well.

Lets no forget Kerridge, who has been in good form and has kicked bags of 6, 4 and 3 for Adelaide!

Genrally the couple of years Jaksch has general played pretty well at both ends. Seems like his attitude has kept him out, which is his fault.

Anyway, we need a 2nd key forward and we need to see what Jaksch can do at AFL level before we kick him out. But that could be up to him too.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Pratty on June 27, 2017, 04:26:13 pm
I'd with something along the liens of:

B: Pickett, Jones, Plowman
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: E.Curnow, Cripps, Cuningham
Hf: C.Curnow, Marchbank, Fisher
F: Wright, Casboult, J.Silvagni
Foll: Kreuzer, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Palmer, Thomas, Petrevski-Seton, Lamb
Emerg: Polson, Sheehan, Smedts

Out - Graham, Boekhorst, Smedts
In - Cuningham, Fisher, Palmer

*Not sure on Jed Lamb and his concussion. Think Tom Williamson and Alex Silvagni are both another week away availability-wise at AFL level.
**Jarrod Pickett as a small defender.
***Caleb Marchbank given a run forward.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: maxm68 on June 27, 2017, 05:40:11 pm
I'd with something along the liens of:

B: Pickett, Jones, Plowman
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: E.Curnow, Cripps, Cuningham
Hf: C.Curnow, Marchbank, Fisher
F: Wright, Casboult, J.Silvagni
Foll: Kreuzer, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Palmer, Thomas, Petrevski-Seton, Lamb
Emerg: Polson, Sheehan, Smedts

Out - Graham, Boekhorst, Smedts
In - Cuningham, Fisher, Palmer

*Not sure on Jed Lamb and his concussion. Think Tom Williamson and Alex Silvagni are both another week away availability-wise at AFL level.
**Jarrod Pickett as a small defender.
***Caleb Marchbank given a run forward.


Swap Pickett with Buckley..... Lamb might not come up with the concussion ?  SPS needs to go back and find the footy in the twos... shake him up a bit.

Dylan Buckley it's your last chance, give him a couple games to perform or goodbye at end of year.

Pickett - play 5 solid games in a row in the two's and maybe give him another chance towards the end of the year..
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: mateinone on June 27, 2017, 06:31:33 pm
Pickett can't be selected this week surely. You can' get a backup game after you play like he did when given a chance.

Graham was the best of those that came in and he wasn't really any good himself, but added something in the 2nd half.

I would be happy to see all of Graham, Smedts & Pickett straight back out of the team.
SPS is going to be a good footballer, but it feels like something is not right. His Rising Star game, he was making runs, taking on kicks, looking fantastic, now he looks a bit lost. I am sure they are already addressing it, but someone needs to work out why he isn't playing to his skill level right at the moment.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: John Corey on June 27, 2017, 07:19:33 pm
Hey guys I just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on Jack Silvagni. I'm a big Sydney Roosters fan as well and live in Qld, so you guys are definitely closer to the Club than I am.

I wanted to know if you guys think Jack is the answer was a forward. I know I risk being hung and quartered, speaking about such a great Carlton family, but he just seems so slow to me. I would have thought speed off the mark would play a big part in leading for the ball? I get that he is young, but you don't 'learn' speed.  I don't think he is a great kick either but that IS something that can be taught.

Anyway, I'm happy to get smashed here. Would like your thoughts.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 27, 2017, 07:31:28 pm
Hey guys I just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on Jack Silvagni. I'm a big Sydney Roosters fan as well and live in Qld, so you guys are definitely closer to the Club than I am.

I wanted to know if you guys think Jack is the answer was a forward. I know I risk being hung and quartered, speaking about such a great Carlton family, but he just seems so slow to me. I would have thought speed off the mark would play a big part in leading for the ball? I get that he is young, but you don't 'learn' speed.  I don't think he is a great kick either but that IS something that can be taught.

Anyway, I'm happy to get smashed here. Would like your thoughts.

Jack is a 3rd tall forward who will be more effective when we get two decent KP Forwards who are the main targets...Jack isnt quick but is a footballer rather than an athlete who relies on smarts and nous to get the job done. He was no superstar at U18 level so the high expectations are based on the Silvagni name rather than his initial abilities and form.
I think he has to work hard to be a better player as he isnt a gifted player who can live off talent alone but I think he can and will...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on June 27, 2017, 07:31:52 pm
out - Pickett Boakhorst Smedts Graham SPS

IN -  Help me out please :D

In: Players who give a damn!

White, Armfield, Buckley......Palmer....Byrne!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: John Corey on June 27, 2017, 07:49:58 pm
Jack is a 3rd tall forward who will be more effective when we get two decent KP Forwards who are the main targets...Jack isnt quick but is a footballer rather than an athlete who relies on smarts and nous to get the job done. He was no superstar at U18 level so the high expectations are based on the Silvagni name rather than his initial abilities and form.
I think he has to work hard to be a better player as he isnt a gifted player who can live off talent alone but I think he can and will...

Cheers mate. Good points. I think you summed him up well.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 27, 2017, 09:25:25 pm
I'd with something along the liens of:

B: Pickett, Jones, Plowman
Hb: Docherty, Weitering, Simpson
C: E.Curnow, Cripps, Cuningham
Hf: C.Curnow, Marchbank, Fisher
F: Wright, Casboult, J.Silvagni
Foll: Kreuzer, Gibbs
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Palmer, Thomas, Petrevski-Seton, Lamb
Emerg: Polson, Sheehan, Smedts

Out - Graham, Boekhorst, Smedts
In - Cuningham, Fisher, Palmer

*Not sure on Jed Lamb and his concussion. Think Tom Williamson and Alex Silvagni are both another week away availability-wise at AFL level.
**Jarrod Pickett as a small defender.
***Caleb Marchbank given a run forward.
Pickett as a small defender? Are kidding? He is a lazy little feck who has a very long way to go. Our defenders have been feral in their work rate this year, he wasnt feral in work last week for 30 seconds. No thanks, back to the twos and take a leaf out of LJ's book.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 27, 2017, 10:37:10 pm
Hey guys I just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on Jack Silvagni. I'm a big Sydney Roosters fan as well and live in Qld, so you guys are definitely closer to the Club than I am.

I wanted to know if you guys think Jack is the answer was a forward. I know I risk being hung and quartered, speaking about such a great Carlton family, but he just seems so slow to me. I would have thought speed off the mark would play a big part in leading for the ball? I get that he is young, but you don't 'learn' speed.  I don't think he is a great kick either but that IS something that can be taught.

Anyway, I'm happy to get smashed here. Would like your thoughts.

Good on you, JC Old Son for having a go and taking a risk. Jack aint his dad in many, many respects but he does work hard and he thinks like a footballer. If his name was Jack Smith, not related to anyone at the club (my personal litmus test), you'd like what you see in terms of a 3rd tall with footy smarts who'd deliver more if assisted by a better midfield than we have at present. I just wish the marketing dept would ignore him for a while and let him be a player and not a pin-up boy, though I suspect mum and dad have helped him to understand that marketing and PR are important for selling but devoid of character and substance... so never believe the hype.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on June 28, 2017, 06:05:06 am
back to the good old days replacing spuds with spuds. We out spudded Richmond last week lets do it against Crows as well.

Out: Pickett SPS
In: McKay Buckley

B: Docherty  Jones  Weitering
HB: Plowman  Marchbank  Simpson
C: Buckley    Cripps     Boekhorst
HF: Thomas   McKay   Wright
F: Curnow  Casboult   Murphy
R: Kreuzer   Gibbs  Curnow
Int: Smedts Silvagni  Lamb  Graham

Forward line is a problem and time for Murphy to lead from the front - leading the side from the forward line because we need someone to do precisely that. Every line has leadership except forward line and leave Thomas and Murphy there to guide Curnow, Silvagni and McKay for rest of year. 
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: maxm68 on June 28, 2017, 08:49:49 am
Pickett as a small defender? Are kidding? He is a lazy little feck who has a very long way to go. Our defenders have been feral in their work rate this year, he wasnt feral in work last week for 30 seconds. No thanks, back to the twos and take a leaf out of LJ's book.

Agreed - he likes the easy one over the top and bolting away into space ..... he wouldn't like defending at all.

Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Pratty on June 28, 2017, 09:00:12 am
Pickett as a small defender? Are kidding? He is a lazy little feck who has a very long way to go. Our defenders have been feral in their work rate this year, he wasnt feral in work last week for 30 seconds. No thanks, back to the twos and take a leaf out of LJ's book.

No not kidding. This is how to get his work rate up. See Liam Jones. Your reaction is the EXACT sort of reaction two years ago I got on here when I suggested that we move Liam Jones to defence. That's been a horrible decision hasn't it! Deja vu! Ha!!  ;D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Pratty on June 28, 2017, 09:02:29 am
Jack is a 3rd tall forward who will be more effective when we get two decent KP Forwards who are the main targets...Jack isnt quick but is a footballer rather than an athlete who relies on smarts and nous to get the job done. He was no superstar at U18 level so the high expectations are based on the Silvagni name rather than his initial abilities and form.
I think he has to work hard to be a better player as he isnt a gifted player who can live off talent alone but I think he can and will...

Think he'll become a midfielder in time. Clearance beast!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 28, 2017, 09:34:09 am
Im going easy on Pickett.

Interupted pre season, hasnt really settled into life as an AFL footballer that well to this stage.  This season was always going to be a "building exposure, learning" year for him.

They cant all be Marchbank and even he has been a bit down on how he started.

Patience blues fans, we are building something and its not going to happen quickly but every so often the train will get a glimpse of the station ahead and think its arrived only to figure out that its at the top of the next hill or even a few after this one.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 28, 2017, 09:59:03 am
Im going easy on Pickett.

Interupted pre season, hasnt really settled into life as an AFL footballer that well to this stage.  This season was always going to be a "building exposure, learning" year for him.

They cant all be Marchbank and even he has been a bit down on how he started.

Patience blues fans, we are building something and its not going to happen quickly but every so often the train will get a glimpse of the station ahead and think its arrived only to figure out that its at the top of the next hill or even a few after this one.

With you on this Thry. I'll pay more attention to Pickett next year.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 28, 2017, 10:02:22 am
Think he'll become a midfielder in time. Clearance beast!
Certainly Jack spent more time in the midfield at Xavier than he did as a forward.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2017, 03:36:01 pm
in 2018, we could see ACoS passing to Jack who passes to Ben who kicks a goal!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 28, 2017, 03:42:17 pm
in 2018, we could see ACoS passing to Jack who passes to Ben who kicks a goal!

I know this is the wrong thread to comment, but my contacts tell me that despite BoS being possibly the best/most gifted of the Silvagni lot he remains less committed to AFL as a career than the others. But it's just a rumor.

I've also been told a rumor that Hodge has implored the Dawks to try and draft him, which in fairness could also be Hodge showing favoritism for his charges!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2017, 04:36:45 pm
I know this is the wrong thread to comment, but my contacts tell me that despite BoS being possibly the best/most gifted of the Silvagni lot he remains less committed to AFL as a career than the others. But it's just a rumor.

I've also been told a rumor that Hodge has implored the Dawks to try and draft him, which in fairness could also be Hodge showing favoritism for his charges!

He can play for us for 5 years, win 3 flags, then retire and become a nuclear physicist!!!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 28, 2017, 05:40:28 pm
Lynch and Cameron out 
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2017, 06:07:10 pm
Lynch and Cameron out

I'd rather they didnt bring Scott Thompson back.....
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2017, 06:13:17 pm
Blues by 6.

Fisher, Willo and Cuners to replace Graham (hopefully Adelaide bound, that hair cut might work over there!), Boekhurst (see ya lad) and Pickett (start working harder son).
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 28, 2017, 07:37:34 pm
Blues by 6.

Fisher, Willo and Cuners to replace Graham (hopefully Adelaide bound, that hair cut might work over there!), Boekhurst (see ya lad) and Pickett (start working harder son).

Williamson is still two weeks away, Ed Curnow is out with a bruised larynx (see link below), but hopefully Fisher and Cuningham are back. Bring a 2nd key forward in too.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-tagger-ed-curnow-out-of-game-against-adelaide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2017, 07:50:19 pm
Williamson is still two weeks away, Ed Curnow is out with a bruised larynx (see link below), but hopefully Fisher and Cuningham are back. Bring a 2nd key forward in too.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-tagger-ed-curnow-out-of-game-against-adelaide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html

Will miss Ed...Sloane has been down and due a good game...Thompson likely to be included will also make it tougher IMO....
Graham will probably stay in(haircut and all), maybe Kerridge to replace Ed....with Fisher and Cuningham back in
Out..Boekhorst and either Pickett or Smedts with Ed(inj)....like to see Pickett stay in and made to work harder...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2017, 08:30:21 pm
Williamson is still two weeks away, Ed Curnow is out with a bruised larynx (see link below), but hopefully Fisher and Cuningham are back. Bring a 2nd key forward in too.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-tagger-ed-curnow-out-of-game-against-adelaide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html

Maybe time to give Harry M. a crack at the big time. Some guys just work better at the top level....
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 28, 2017, 09:02:55 pm
Williamson is still two weeks away, Ed Curnow is out with a bruised larynx (see link below), but hopefully Fisher and Cuningham are back. Bring a 2nd key forward in too.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-tagger-ed-curnow-out-of-game-against-adelaide-with-bruised-larnyx-20170628-gx0mjb.html

Is that courtesy of one of Dusty's fend offs?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 28, 2017, 09:06:23 pm
Gee, Phillips now out for the rest of the year. Hope Kreuz stays fit and well. With Sam Rowe also out our ruck options could be stretched somewhat!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 28, 2017, 09:22:06 pm
Gee, Phillips now out for the rest of the year. Hope Kreuz stays fit and well. With Sam Rowe also out our ruck options could be stretched somewhat!

Yes, if Kreuzer got injured, with Phillips and Gorringe injured to, then Casboult and Jones may have the task of rucking for us.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 28, 2017, 09:25:26 pm
Yes, if Kreuzer got injured, with Phillips and Gorringe injured to, then Casboult and Jones may have the task of rucking for us.

Might as well promote Korchek or play Harry for some part time rucking if we get desperate, prefer if Jones stays down back...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 29, 2017, 10:21:13 am
Yes, if Kreuzer got injured, with Phillips and Gorringe injured to, then Casboult and Jones may have the task of rucking for us.
I know I can be a broken record at times, but I pointed this out LAST year.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 11:05:47 am
I know I can be a broken record at times, but I pointed this out LAST year.

Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 29, 2017, 11:12:46 am
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!

Happy birthday Jim - have a good one for this major milestone.  8)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 11:21:44 am
Happy birthday Jim - have a good one for this major milestone.  8)

Thanks!!!

I shall do!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on June 29, 2017, 11:55:01 am
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!

That's a new age group for the Master's Track and Field  ;)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 29, 2017, 12:16:07 pm
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!

Happy birthday you young whippersnapper  ;)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 29, 2017, 01:01:48 pm
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!
Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great day!

I am sure I have senior moments and I'm only 56!

As for Richmond, they seem never to forget certain tactics. Maybe they have had senior moments for a century or so. :)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2017, 01:19:16 pm
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!

Happy birthday Jim..that seniors card is in the mail...I,m only a couple of years behind you so I won't be cracking any oldies jokes., let's hope we are celebrating your 70th with a few more premierships added...Enjoy those free donuts with your coffee now you are a senior  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:17:38 pm
Thanks fellas for the birthday wishes, and yes EB, I do have my Senior's Card now..haha!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:18:21 pm
Happy birthday you young whippersnapper  ;)

Glad to see someone is older than me...lol.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on June 29, 2017, 05:19:06 pm
Happy Birthday Jim! My dad just turned 60 by the way. ;D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 29, 2017, 05:31:58 pm
Today I turn 60 so I now have senior moments and forget..haha!

Happy birthday young fella, may the Mighty CFC bring you many happy years of support...  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:38:40 pm
Happy Birthday Jim! My dad just turned 60 by the way. ;D

Thanks for that! You must be at the age I want to be...haha!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:40:21 pm
Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great day!

I am sure I have senior moments and I'm only 56!

As for Richmond, they seem never to forget certain tactics. Maybe they have had senior moments for a century or so. :)

I had two senior (or Richmond) moments yesterday obviously to get practice for being a real one today...lol.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:41:56 pm
Happy birthday young fella, may the Mighty CFC bring you many happy years of support...  ;) ;D

Thanks for that! I've seen 8 flags in my lifetime, hope to at least get to double figures before dementia sets in..lol.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 05:55:16 pm
That's a new age group for the Master's Track and Field  ;)

Haha, yes. Masters athletes enjoy getting older once every 5 years.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 06:33:48 pm
CARLTON
In: S.White, S.Kerridge, L.Sumner, D.Cuningham, C.Sheehan, Z.Fisher
Out: E.Curnow (larynx), B.Smedts, J.Lamb (concussion), B.Boekhorst, J.Pickett, S.Petrevski-Seton (managed)

ADELAIDE
In: M.McGovern, R.Knight, D.Mackay
Out: C.Cameron (wrist), T.Lynch (illness), A.Otten
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Rational_Expectations on June 29, 2017, 06:37:49 pm
Good ins. I probably would have given Boekhorst another week, but overall happy with those changes.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: stevie-poo on June 29, 2017, 06:45:47 pm
Bang goes the axe
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2017, 06:47:29 pm
Bang goes the axe

Sumner and Sheehan lucky to be picked ..form last week was just average IMO...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 06:47:48 pm
CARLTON

B Lachie Plowman , Liam Jones , Simon White
HB Kade Simpson , Jacob Weitering , Sam Docherty
C Caleb Marchbank , Patrick Cripps , Dale Thomas
HF Nick Graham , Levi Casboult , Matthew Wright
F David Cuningham , Charlie Curnow , Jack Silvagni
FOL Matthew Kreuzer , Bryce Gibbs , Marc Murphy
I/C Zac Fisher , Sam Kerridge , Ciaran Sheehan , Liam Sumner
EMG Ciaran Byrne , Harry McKay , Cameron Polson
IN
Simon White , David Cuningham , Zac Fisher , Sam Kerridge , Ciaran Sheehan , Liam Sumner
OUT
Blaine Boekhorst (Omitted), Jarrod Pickett (Omitted), Billie Smedts (Omitted), Sam Petrevski-Seton (Managed), Ed Curnow (Larynx), Jed Lamb (Concussion)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 29, 2017, 06:49:18 pm
Three ins who are part of our future and three ins helping us along the way.  A fair balance for me.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: flyboy77 on June 29, 2017, 06:55:11 pm
I hate this "managed" word. The kid deserved to be dropped, cut the PC BS.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 29, 2017, 07:04:30 pm
I hate this "managed" word. The kid deserved to be dropped, cut the PC BS.

I think they use "managed" when he's not playing at all, not even the NBs. Basically having a rest. If he played for the NBs then he would've been dropped.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 29, 2017, 07:10:31 pm
Three ins who are part of our future and three ins helping us along the way.  A fair balance for me.

Agree. More danger signs for Boeky and Smedts.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on June 29, 2017, 07:21:09 pm
Sheesh, Palmer must be on the outer! One of the much better players two weeks in a row and ...tumbleweeds.

Generally, though, you'd be happy with those ins and outs. Oh, and when Samo returns from being 'managed' ( ::)) he should come back through the NBs.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on June 29, 2017, 07:32:10 pm
Everybody off the Smedts bandwagon?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 29, 2017, 07:37:59 pm
Everybody off the Smedts bandwagon?

For me, one of the wheels fell off last week, but the other three are still intact, for now.

I say the above with mixed feelings, because we had so many down players last week that it's unfair to pot him over about 16 or 17 others.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: DJC on June 29, 2017, 07:39:58 pm
Sumner and Sheehan lucky to be picked ..form last week was just average IMO...

I agree about Sumner but Sheehan's form has been consistent prior to last week.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2017, 07:44:31 pm
I agree about Sumner but Sheehan's form has been consistent prior to last week.

Maybe one of the best of a bad lot but you wouldnt pick him on last weeks form IMO...Sumner was woeful...
I guess though Sheehan deserves a chance to show his wares as I would expect him to be one of the players delisted at seasons end if nothing changes...
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: maxm68 on June 29, 2017, 07:47:51 pm
How's Sheehan been looking/ going in the twos ?  Is he ready to go  ?

Great to see him back after all the injuries.. hope he goes well
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: mateinone on June 29, 2017, 07:58:20 pm
Everybody off the Smedts bandwagon?


Is there a Smedts bandwagon?  :o  >:D

Oh I am very happy with those that were omitted, they showed nowhere near enough to deserve another run.
You want people who are desperate to grasp the chance they are given, regardless of skill they show a fierce determination to succeed. I didn't see it from any of those omitted or 'managed' last week.

Pity about Ed, I think White just might have a go at his tagging role
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 29, 2017, 08:08:19 pm
Except Ed, I picked all those outs plus Graham but thought to myself  they wouldnt make all the changes because its too many. We all call for a cull after a bad performance, lets see how it works out for us.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: blue4life on June 29, 2017, 08:14:35 pm
Good luck to Ciaran Sheehan,  I thought Buckley might have got a run before Sumner.
Realistically I don't fancy our chances but hope springs eternal
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on June 29, 2017, 08:28:25 pm
Looks like boekhorst may have played his last match.

I'm not surprised to see Sumner and sheehan in.

Time to find out whether we persist or delist.

Expect a few players who don't deserve a match to get games from here.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 29, 2017, 08:34:48 pm
Looks like boekhorst may have played his last match.

I'm not surprised to see Sumner and sheehan in.

Time to find out whether we persist or delist.

Expect a few players who don't deserve a match to get games from here.
The efforts of Boekhorst, Pickett and Smedts were deplorable on Sunday. BB is gone, Smedts being drafted was an error I think, Pickett needs to change his attitude and work a hell of alot harder on and off the field or he will be shown the door quicker than he was drafted in. SPS is showing signs of a long first year for a pretty slightly built kid, he needs time and another PS or two before he hits his straps.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 29, 2017, 09:10:46 pm
Carlton

B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Simon White
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Sam Docherty
C: Caleb Marchbank, Patrick Cripps, Dale Thomas
HF: Nick Graham, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright
F: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Jack Silvagni
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy
Int: Zac Fisher, Sam Kerridge, Ciaran Sheehan, Liam Sumner

Emg: Ciaran Byrne, Harry McKay, Cameron Polson

In: Simon White, David Cuningham, Zac Fisher, Sam Kerridge, Ciaran Sheehan, Liam Sumner

Out: Blaine Boekhorst (Omitted), Jarrod Pickett (Omitted), Billie Smedts (Omitted), Sam Petrevski-Seton (Managed), Ed Curnow (Larynx), Jed Lamb (Concussion)

Adelaide Crows

B: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Daniel Talia
HB: Luke Brown, Jake Lever, Jake Kelly
C: Rory Atkins, Richard Douglas, Brodie Smith
HF: Rory Sloane, Josh Jenkins, Wayne Milera
F: Mitch McGovern, Taylor Walker, Eddie Betts
R: Sam Jacobs, Brad Crouch, Matt Crouch
Int: Jonathon Beech, Riley Knight, David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood

Emg: Scott Thompson, Paul Seedsman, Andy Otten

In: Mitch McGovern, Riley Knight, David Mackay

Out: Charlie Cameron (Wrist), Tom Lynch (Illness), Andy Otten (Omitted)

A lot of changes from us, considering we were not thrashed. I like Sheahan, but I thought last week was probably the least effective game I'd seen from him. It made me question his lace on the list, he looked so slow. For that matter, Sumner was an invisible man last week and he got a nod.
Similarly, our emergencies played poorly last week to a man.

I hate seeing Eddie playing for Adelaide. It is just wrong, even with him playing very well.
Laird has played brilliantly against us the last couple of times. We'd better squash him.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on June 29, 2017, 09:16:28 pm
Back line is too tall and not nimble enough need one more small a Tuohy would have been nice. Good luck to Sheehan.

That half forward line is below average

that forward line is too young

I am not feeling good about this
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 29, 2017, 09:17:33 pm
My feeling is that we will be serious roadkill for a team that plays footy the right way.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: cookie2 on June 29, 2017, 09:19:00 pm
Back line is too tall and not nimble enough need one more small a Tuohy would have been nice. Good luck to Sheehan.

That half forward line is below average

that forward line is too young

I am not feeling good about this

On paper we look like we'll struggle but I'm hoping we come back with all guns blazing to make up for last week.  8)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on June 29, 2017, 09:32:01 pm
On paper we look like we'll struggle but I'm hoping we come back with all guns blazing to make up for last week.  8)
I  reckon it will be won in the coaches box. Who can out smart the other.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 29, 2017, 09:33:08 pm
Good luck to Ciaran Sheehan,  I thought Buckley might have got a run before Sumner.
Realistically I don't fancy our chances but hope springs eternal

Good point about Buckley...thought he was better than both Sumner and Sheehan last week...not looking good for his future..
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on June 29, 2017, 09:37:48 pm
Just watched Crippa on the marngrook footy show.
Strapping young lad he is. Very smartly presented and spoke very well.
Captain material.
Funny though everyone but KB said we would get up.
Best attack vs the best defence.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 29, 2017, 09:44:04 pm
Just watched Crippa on the marngrook footy show.
Strapping young lad he is. Very smartly presented and spoke very well.
Captain material.
Funny though everyone but KB said we would get up.
Best attack vs the best defence.

Crows have the most points for, but Port have the least points against.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on June 29, 2017, 09:57:48 pm
Crows have the most points for, but Port have the least points against.
I wad just going with the vibe. ;)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 29, 2017, 10:11:07 pm
I wad just going with the vibe. ;)

I've done that often enough.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on June 29, 2017, 11:45:13 pm
I don't think we're even in the top half of the competition in terms of defense (points against) ???
It's an urban legend ;D

This week it's "highest scoring against lowest scoring"
We'll win. :D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on June 30, 2017, 12:03:19 am
My sense is we'll be beaten. If it's by any less than the 10 goal lesson they gave us last year, I'll be satisfied. I watched that game and it looked like Crows were doing a training drill as the game went on. If we can stay in the game for 4qtrs and be competitive, that's a sign of progress in my book.

Crows by 38
FWIW. Chances of me being in the right ballpark, according to my tipping average, is remote at best ;D

Go new Blues. All the best to those who step up from our 2's.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on June 30, 2017, 08:23:40 am
My sense is we'll be beaten. If it's by any less than the 10 goal lesson they gave us last year, I'll be satisfied. I watched that game and it looked like Crows were doing a training drill as the game went on. If we can stay in the game for 4qtrs and be competitive, that's a sign of progress in my book.

Crows by 38
FWIW. Chances of me being in the right ballpark, according to my tipping average, is remote at best ;D

Go new Blues. All the best to those who step up from our 2's.

Cameron and Lynch are significant outs for them.  They are an important 1/3 of a well drilled cohesive forward line. The result could be interesting!
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 30, 2017, 08:31:34 am
Looking at this week selections, obviously one team not to trust in trade week is Geelong! ;)
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on June 30, 2017, 11:07:43 am
I hate this "managed" word. The kid deserved to be dropped, cut the PC BS.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: sydneybluesfan on June 30, 2017, 11:15:00 am
The numbers on this weeks game don't look good!! Our average score for the year is 72 - they have only been below this number once for year. They have scored over 100 on 9 of 13 games - we are yet to score over 100 for the year [which by the way is the lowest 'highest' score of all teams by over 3 goals!!].

I just can't see how we can kick anything like a score big enough to trouble these guys.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 30, 2017, 11:46:32 am
The numbers on this weeks game don't look good!! Our average score for the year is 72 - they have only been below this number once for year. They have scored over 100 on 9 of 13 games - we are yet to score over 100 for the year [which by the way is the lowest 'highest' score of all teams by over 3 goals!!].

I just can't see how we can kick anything like a score big enough to trouble these guys.

Thing is all our games are tight. We might on;y average 72 but we have the ability to tie the other side down to similar scores. We kicked just 71 against the top side GWS BUT they just got 70. Adelaide might average 100 against other defences but not necessarily ours. What's Adelaide's average score when they lose?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 30, 2017, 11:52:44 am
Thing is all our games are tight. We might on;y average 72 but we have the ability to tie the other side down to similar scores. We kicked just 71 against the top side GWS BUT they just got 70. Adelaide might average 100 against other defences but not necessarily ours. What's Adelaide's average score when they lose?

77 according to my calcs.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 30, 2017, 11:54:57 am
I hate this "managed" word. The kid deserved to be dropped, cut the PC BS.

I think it says more about the mental fragility of the modern AFL player.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: PaulP on June 30, 2017, 12:06:15 pm
I don't think we're even in the top half of the competition in terms of defense (points against) ???
It's an urban legend ;D

This week it's "highest scoring against lowest scoring"
We'll win. :D

Our lowest score against for a completed season since 2012 is 1925, which actually occurred in 2012.

So much for the ultra defensive v ultra attacking urban myth.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LordLucifer on June 30, 2017, 12:20:02 pm
Adelaide will be looking for redemption after that shock loss to the Hawks last week, unfortunately, we are going to be their punching bag.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on June 30, 2017, 12:29:04 pm
Adelaide will be looking for redemption after that shock loss to the Hawks last week, unfortunately, we are going to be their punching bag.
That is the highest probability event. But it is not certain.
However, I will be going with low expectations.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 30, 2017, 12:32:44 pm
Adelaide will be looking for redemption after that shock loss to the Hawks last week, unfortunately, we are going to be their punching bag.

Punch back. Adelaide play well when it's on their terms and if pressured they are crap. In other words, front runners. We need to keep the pressure on throughout then we'll cause issues. If we let them off the leash though then they might run all over us.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 30, 2017, 12:36:24 pm
It would be nice if it rains, but the outlook appears sunny! :(

I've noticed an bit of a trend in our selection process. It seems to me we keep picking blokes who's form is sliding at VFL level. It's like they've peaked and then when they put in a couple of quiet games they get the nod for AFL. It's happened too often for it to be by accident! Why?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on June 30, 2017, 02:26:49 pm
Punch back. Adelaide play well when it's on their terms and if pressured they are crap. In other words, front runners. We need to keep the pressure on throughout then we'll cause issues. If we let them off the leash though then they might run all over us.
precisely, that is one of the reasons Eddies always seems to go missing when the game is there to be won.
Now that I have said that he will probably put in a blinder.  ::)
Who will run with Eddie? Docherty?
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on June 30, 2017, 02:49:19 pm
precisely, that is one of the reasons Eddies always seems to go missing when the game is there to be won.

That, and a bit of personal bias I suspect.

Hard to tell cause versus effect in those situations, but nearly everybody blames somebody! ;D
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: laj on June 30, 2017, 06:00:11 pm
precisely, that is one of the reasons Eddies always seems to go missing when the game is there to be won.
Now that I have said that he will probably put in a blinder.  ::)
Who will run with Eddie? Docherty?

Actually Eddie does have 24 goals is his last 8 finals. It is a tough life being a small forward in a side that is playing crap. You are reliant quite a bit more than any player on what happens up the ground.
Title: Re: Rd 15: Pre Game gentlemanly discussion: Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: shawny on July 01, 2017, 01:48:28 pm
Reckon weiters will play forward today.