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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #765 –
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These latest measures certainly have a whiff of panic about them. What haven't we been told??
Ignoring the social mechanisms, the real worry seems to be that the latency of the infection is creeping beyond 14 days into the 3 to 4 week category.

I can't believe the other states are not conducting intensive testing, it's exposing the infection front in Victoria as much broader than authorities relate.

FFS, Qld is out pissing on and partying, are they risking becoming the next LA?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #766 –
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Ignoring the social mechanisms, the real worry seems to be that the latency of the infection is creeping beyond 14 days into the 3 to 4 week category.

I can't believe the other states are not conducting intensive testing, it's exposing the infection front in Victoria as much broader than authorities relate.

FFS, Qld is out pissing on and partying, are they risking becoming the next LA?

I spoke for the first time with a couple of friends who've had and recovered from C-19 - I spoke with them last week. A mother and daughter returning from the UK and were quarantined. Their flight into Sydney wasn't allowed to go to the usual terminal, instead it was met on the tarmac by an ambulance and the whole bio team and kit and kiboodle. There was a bloke on board their long haul flight with symptoms... fever etc. Apparently he was a young bloke and in a bad way.

Anyway, my pals -- mum 71 and daughter 36 -- came down with C-19 two days later and were very crook but not hospitalised. It lasted just on 4 weeks for both and a day apart, right at the end, both had severe diarrhea for a day. Both are fine now though a little croaky. The mum was a little worried as she has had a few bouts of bronny and has a crook lung but all A OK. They were saying that the docs were saying that it doesn't appear to be an anti lung thing as first thought but rather a blood borne virus that plays havoc with the immune system with diabetics the most at risk along with those with compromised immune systems.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #767 –
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They were saying that the docs were saying that it doesn't appear to be an anti lung thing as first thought but rather a blood borne virus that plays havoc with the immune system with diabetics the most at risk along with those with compromised immune systems.
It seems there is no general consensus, in fact one of the problems seems to be it's uniquely high variability.

I'm reading all sorts of reports of harming this bodily system or the next, what I'm not reading anywhere except from conspiracy theorists and nutters is that it's harmless!

I think if "Scotty from Marketing" wants us to get serious he has to enforce uniform standards of testing and reporting, but I suspect he also sits firmly in "The Donald" camp.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #768 –
The feds are pushing the "open the borders" and "the economy  the economy", Andrew's tries to shut it down.... And Andrew's is the problem? So who was right Scotty from marketing?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #769 –
The folk in the lockdown towers in Melbourne have received their first food designed to last them 48 hours.
A daughter and her elderly mother received 4 sausage rolls....
The local Mcdonald's must have been shut, nice to know you are valued so highly.. Disgraceful if that's the standard of food..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #772 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
The folk in the lockdown towers in Melbourne have received their first food designed to last them 48 hours.
A daughter and her elderly mother received 4 sausage rolls....
The local Mcdonald's must have been shut, nice to know you are valued so highly.. Disgraceful if that's the standard of food..

I saw some very different food stocks provided from a variety of different sources.

Something doesnt add up there.  Smells of trying to paint a certain picture IMHO.  Else we would have a mass outrage.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #773 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I saw some very different food stocks provided from a variety of different sources.

Something doesnt add up there.  Smells of trying to paint a certain picture IMHO.  Else we would have a mass outrage.
Agreed, it's another example of the post truth world, where all that matters is an opinion even if it is political.

The worry for me is that the 4th Estate is supposed to be the guardian of truth, not the propagator of lies, yet at this time in history it seems to be choosing what it debunks and when!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #774 –
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Agreed, it's another example of the post truth world, where all that matters is an opinion even if it is political.

The worry for me is that the 4th Estate is supposed to be the guardian of truth, not the propagator of lies, yet at this time in history it seems to be choosing what it debunks and when!

Seems the new god for the 4th estate is 'click bait' and to hell with anything else!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #775 –
There used to be a saying in my youth "Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers". Never has this been more true than right now.  :o
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #776 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Wow, brings home, very succinctly the seriousness of the issue.

Absolute lie this chart.

Cherry picked to make it look far, far worse.....than the reality.

What do people die from? https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death#all-charts-preview

On your chart malaria at #2, in the full chart malaria barely top 20.

More fake news.

And the BS that is the PCR test. LP (I think) suggested 70% accuracy.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #777 –
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Absolute lie this chart.

Cherry picked to make it look far, far worse.....than the reality.

What do people die from? https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death#all-charts-preview

On your chart malaria at #2, in the full chart malaria barely top 20.

More fake news.

And the BS that is the PCR test. LP (I think) suggested 70% accuracy.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI

Thank you, FB, but it's not my chart... just posted my reaction to it. Good to know it's bs. But still, half a million folks having perished from c-19 is pretty sobering, to put it mildly.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #778 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Thank you, FB, but it's not my chart... just posted my reaction to it. Good to know it's bs. But still, half a million folks having perished from c-19 is pretty sobering, to put it mildly.
Actually the Flourish chart is pretty good, in that it reports realistic figures of a bunch of relative diseases over a short period. I don't think the authors made any effort to represent itself as a statistical breakdown of all deaths.

As I mentioned before, it's easy for cynics to misrepresent the statistics, because they publish and discuss the figures as absolute and not as percentage change in a baseline. COVID-19 is a new disease, it's numbers have to be reported in addition to pre-existing causes of death, not as a percentage of the previous death rates!

A nice figure in the flourish chart is the COVID-19 versus Influenza, as cynics always use the "COVID-19 is no worse than the Flu"  argument, but clearly that is not the case and never was! If you hear "COVID-19 no worse than the Flu", you know it's fake news!

FWIW, the general international consensus is that COVID-19 deaths are understated, because many regions use the numbers as a political tool. For example, China and Russia pretty much exclude COVID-19 as a cause if any other disease is present. They do that despite it being accepted that people with pre-existing conditions are far more susceptible to death from a coincident COVID-19 infection. For example, if you get a COVID-19 infection and that affects your heart and pass away, and you have a record of a previous heart condition, Russia and China will report the cause of death cardiovascular disease. Meaning the reported figures are artificially low, probably only for political and social engineering purposes.

Anyway, all that spin is just for the media and conspiracy theorists, the numbers are so big and the sample size so large that the baselines are well established now. How many get it, how many of those who get it will die, are all pretty much locked into the math.
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