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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #825
Its this simple.  Cedar meats start of may.  Ramadan end of may.  Halfway through june we had the black lives matter protest.  July, we have an Islamic school and the cases escalating out of control in the towers they live in.

Whilst the hospitals arent under pressure its fine.  If this leads to increased hospitalisation we are in strife.

The worst part about the positive cases is that it's a lagging indicator.

We won't see significant decreasing cases for at least two weeks. 

By then we'll see Sydney blowing up IMHO.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #826
I was thinking about this today, people potting everyone from Scomo to Andrews. Ill tell you something, we can get rid of them tomorrow morning, but the bozos will still exist.
For sure...its a balancing act with health vs economy and the poli's are in the middle and to be fair both ScoMo and DA have done a reasonable job. Andrews got let down by some security staff at quarantine hotels and probably got pressured into opening up sooner than he wanted.
The bozo's who flaunt the law and want to put us back in danger wouldnt be so lucky in a few other countries where their KFC meal might have been their last meal.
Its going to be a long haul as like Thry alluded to there will be a outbreak in NSW IMHO and the cycle will continue like it has here and we will take a few steps back before it gets better.
I'd like to see a few Bozo's jailed just to send a clearer message that we wont tolerate yobbo dopey behavior that puts others at risk and hopefully that might get a few other would be idiots to sit up and think the police and government mean business.
Fining people with no money or little to lose doesnt work.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #827
For sure...its a balancing act with health vs economy and the poli's are in the middle and to be fair both ScoMo and DA have done a reasonable job. Andrews got let down by some security staff at quarantine hotels and probably got pressured into opening up sooner than he wanted.
The bozo's who flaunt the law and want to put us back in danger wouldnt be so lucky in a few other countries where their KFC meal might have been their last meal.
Its going to be a long haul as like Thry alluded to there will be a outbreak in NSW IMHO and the cycle will continue like it has here and we will take a few steps back before it gets better.
I'd like to see a few Bozo's jailed just to send a clearer message that we wont tolerate yobbo dopey behavior that puts others at risk and hopefully that might get a few other would be idiots to sit up and think the police and government mean business.
Fining people with no money or little to lose doesnt work.
Pretty damning article in the HS about the security guards fiasco today.
- Andrews refused the federal offer to use Defence and Fed Pol Staff to manage the hotel quarentine
- Instead he used private guards, jobs for the boys, who were not trained effectively
- Guards didnt follow rules, shagged guests in return for letting them out
- Guests who resused to be tested were let allowed to leave anyway
This list goes on. As Thry said, the hotels saga,and Cedar meats outbreak, is genomically linked to most if not all of the new cases. It shouldnt be behind the paywall, so you can read it. Its too long to post.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/how-a-catalogue-of-failures-turned-victoria-into-a-virus-timebomb/news-story/da01b73b37ce3c88eb18c3f8c73bb15d
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #828
Been saying it for months.  Our society is full of entitled, selfish F-wits and we're all going to pay for the meatheads.   Classic example: Shane the dumb fcuk tradie biatching on 774 Thursday AM about having to wait at the Avalon  checkpoint while commuting from Melbourne to Queenscliff for work.   Well Shane it's people like you that have rampantly spread this thing because you believed it to be "fake",  that you were "essential".  What part of STAY HOME DiDnt you get?   I won't even start on tradies blowing in and taking the few local jobs on the Belkarine.  Seriously,  when is the straight out sense of entitlement of the unwashed masses going to stop? Why is Portarlington currently full of out-of-towners???  Our society continues to stagger me with the depths plumbed in stupidity and selfishness.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #829
This list goes on. As Thry said, the hotels saga,and Cedar meats outbreak, is genomically linked to most if not all of the new cases. It shouldnt be behind the paywall, so you can read it. Its too long to post.
Actually it appears there are really only two dominant strains in Australia, so most people will be one or the other. NSW is dominated by one and Vic the other, there is a smaller outbreak of a third major strain in Qld.

The science is a bit overstated in the media, it's not as straight forward as News Ltd and others make out! The media and some social commentators are motivated by finding someone to blame.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #830
I was happy with Andrews at the start but as the pandemic went on it all seemed to stroke his ego somehow and he took his eye off the ball. Started referring to himself a lot in his press confs. And now - due 100% to his incompetence the virus is back out inflicting death and economic devastation.

Allowing returned travellers back into the country in the volumes we did was madness.

Locating them in the most densely populated area in the country - madness.

Paying for their hotel stay - madness.

Paying minimum wage security guards to look after it all - madness.

Put them in a tent in a paddock on the Puckapunyal army base and make them pay for the priveledge - ringed by fences and soldiers... then see how many returned travellers desperately needed to travel during the worst global pandemic in history.

This is not me using 20-20 hindsight either. I saw this coming weeks ago and if an ignoramus like me can see it coming you can bet Dan had many advisors giving him the heads up about where we were headed. Which is why the blame is all his. Career killing mistake... and rightly so.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #831
If it were up to me Dan (who I voted for) would be facing criminal charges.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #832
I was happy with Andrews at the start but as the pandemic went on it all seemed to stroke his ego somehow and he took his eye off the ball. Started referring to himself a lot in his press confs. And now - due 100% to his incompetence the virus is back out inflicting death and economic devastation.

Allowing returned travellers back into the country in the volumes we did was madness.

Locating them in the most densely populated area in the country - madness.

Paying for their hotel stay - madness.

Paying minimum wage security guards to look after it all - madness.

Put them in a tent in a paddock on the Puckapunyal army base and make them pay for the priveledge - ringed by fences and soldiers... then see how many returned travellers desperately needed to travel during the worst global pandemic in history.

This is not me using 20-20 hindsight either. I saw this coming weeks ago and if an ignoramus like me can see it coming you can bet Dan had many advisors giving him the heads up about where we were headed. Which is why the blame is all his. Career killing mistake... and rightly so.
As I keep saying, militant unions run the state, a sweetheart deal was struck with them to give the job of quarantining travellers to private security firms while all the other states used Fed Pol and Army.  Lunacy.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #833
As I keep saying, militant unions run the state, a sweetheart deal was struck with them to give the job of quarantining travellers to private security firms while all the other states used Fed Pol and Army.  Lunacy.

Agreed. Lunacy.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #834
As I keep saying, militant unions run the state, a sweetheart deal was struck with them to give the job of quarantining travellers to private security firms while all the other states used Fed Pol and Army.  Lunacy.

I'm not so sure militant unions run the state but if they've had undue influence on Andrews, especially re guarding towers etc., then that'd be a career killer and will be revealed in the investigation, an investigation that has insisted on access to all persons including the the Premier - no-one exempt from the investigation.

I've thought all state Premiers have done a good job but IF proved that a 'jobs for mates' scenario is discovered in VIC then we'll all demand the sound of rolling heads.

It's quite possible that this is a 2nd wave which hasn't hit other states as yet, time will tell.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #835
I'm not so sure militant unions run the state but if they've had undue influence on Andrews, especially re guarding towers etc., then that'd be a career killer and will be revealed in the investigation, an investigation that has insisted on access to all persons including the the Premier - no-one exempt from the investigation.

I've thought all state Premiers have done a good job but IF proved that a 'jobs for mates' scenario is discovered in VIC then we'll all demand the sound of rolling heads.

It's quite possible that this is a 2nd wave which hasn't hit other states as yet, time will tell.
Its a Mickey Mouse investigation, see extract from HS article

The Herald Sun understands that hearings will be held in public, and that ministers, departmental staff and ­security guards involved will be called to testify.

But unlike a royal commission, witnesses can refuse to answer questions for fear of self-incrimination.

The inquiry also will not have the power to issue search warrants or seize documents, like that of a royal commission.

Questions have also been raised about the inquiry, to be headed by former judge Jennifer Coate, being hindered by its terms of reference.

Under those, the decisions and communications between government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors are set to be probed.

However specific decisions of a policy nature — as ­opposed to its implementation by an agency — may be ­beyond the scope.

Leader of the Opposition in the upper house, David Davis, described the inquiry as a “whitewash designed to shield the Premier and his key ministers from scrutiny”.

“The inquiry is clearly designed to direct the questions to agencies and shield ministers; it’s a cover-up,” Mr Davis said.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #836
Its a Mickey Mouse investigation, see extract from HS article

The Herald Sun understands that hearings will be held in public, and that ministers, departmental staff and ­security guards involved will be called to testify.

But unlike a royal commission, witnesses can refuse to answer questions for fear of self-incrimination.

The inquiry also will not have the power to issue search warrants or seize documents, like that of a royal commission.

Questions have also been raised about the inquiry, to be headed by former judge Jennifer Coate, being hindered by its terms of reference.

Under those, the decisions and communications between government agencies, hotel operators and private contractors are set to be probed.

However specific decisions of a policy nature — as ­opposed to its implementation by an agency — may be ­beyond the scope.

Leader of the Opposition in the upper house, David Davis, described the inquiry as a “whitewash designed to shield the Premier and his key ministers from scrutiny”.

“The inquiry is clearly designed to direct the questions to agencies and shield ministers; it’s a cover-up,” Mr Davis said.

Hopefully the frames of reference will change. I heard the former judge being interviewed on the radiola on Friday insisting that the powers of the investigation be broadened. Hopefully she is successful.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #837
Where's our minister for health, Jenny Mikakos, in all of this? I haven't been paying super close attention but I  haven't seen hide nor hair of her?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #838
Been saying it for months.  Our society is full of entitled, selfish F-wits and we're all going to pay for the meatheads.   Classic example: Shane the dumb fcuk tradie biatching on 774 Thursday AM about having to wait at the Avalon  checkpoint while commuting from Melbourne to Queenscliff for work.   Well Shane it's people like you that have rampantly spread this thing because you believed it to be "fake",  that you were "essential".  What part of STAY HOME DiDnt you get?   I won't even start on tradies blowing in and taking the few local jobs on the Belkarine.  Seriously,  when is the straight out sense of entitlement of the unwashed masses going to stop? Why is Portarlington currently full of out-of-towners???  Our society continues to stagger me with the depths plumbed in stupidity and selfishness.

I'll start this by saying i don't know who you are referring to from the radio. So context may be a little off here.

But....
You can't pot a bloke for trying to work.
As a tradie, he is able to social distance himself at work.
As a tradie, he is entitled to go where the work is.
As a tradie, he is told he is allowed to work.
As a tradie, he is only going to go where people hire him to work.

So if you have issues with a tradie going to work down there, perhaps think about the blokes that hired him in the first place, not pot a bloke trying to earn a buck and provide for his family.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #839
Where's our minister for health, Jenny Mikakos, in all of this? I haven't been paying super close attention but I  haven't seen hide nor hair of her?

She appears in andrews almost daily bleatings / briefings.  Says nothing of course when she takes her turn at providing comments of any quality.  The Marcel Marceau of the ALP