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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #975 – July 22, 2020, 07:21:33 am

There will be people on this site old enough to remember the last polio epidemic. Vaccines restrict preventable diseases. The science is pretty basic. Seriously, if one of those dolphin hugging crystal gazing types won't get vaccinated, maybe watching their child die in twisted screaming crippled agony from polio, or burning up from measles, or coughing themselves to death from TB might snap them back into reality. The same types who bitch when their kid can't go to kindergarten because they refuse to get jabs. Darwin was right to a point... Natural selection applies, with a modifier for bloodyminded stupidity.

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Reply #976 – July 22, 2020, 07:31:42 am

There's an article in the Age today about a 25 year old who shows why we can't stop the virus.

Words fail me.

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Reply #977 – July 22, 2020, 08:00:45 am

Quote from: Professer E on July 22, 2020, 07:21:33 am

Darwin was right to a point... Natural selection applies, with a modifier for bloodyminded stupidity.

The trouble is ProfE, the infants and kids never get a choice, they are the collateral victims of parental hubris!

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Reply #978 – July 22, 2020, 08:04:58 am

Quote from: Professer E on July 22, 2020, 07:31:42 am

There's an article in the Age today about a 25 year old who shows why we can't stop the virus.

Words fail me.

Online article? Got a link?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #979 – July 22, 2020, 08:08:58 am

Reminds me of Dr Strangelove

or

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the COVID

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #980 – July 22, 2020, 08:15:38 am

Sometimes, one must mete out some justice. There are few more deserving creatures than anti vaxxers.

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Reply #981 – July 23, 2020, 11:56:50 am

By chance I had a long meeting today with a respiratory specialist, our meeting was unrelated but of course we got talking COVID.

He thinks there is a huge problem developing, it's going to smash the health systems of the USA and other nations including our own if COVID isn't taken more serious by the youth.

As each week passes more and more long term effects and being found in those who have had infections, not just those who were ill, but also those who were asymptomatic. They weren't looking for this earlier so they didn't see it, but once they started doing proper trials which include a mix of ill, asymptomatic, recovered and healthy people the result is becoming alarming. Chronic long term health conditions, like lethargy, headaches, insomnia, fatigue, joint and bone pain, cardiovascular and lung function effects.

Disturbingly, these effects are not restricted or stronger in a specific age group, it is showing up equally in infants through to 80 year olds. The worst case, and I realise that it is probably an over-estimate, could mean 35% of those infected will live with some ongoing chronic effect of getting SARS-CoV-2.

If it's correct, this time next year, there will be otherwise fit young individuals struggling to play sport, not knowing why, never having made the connection because they were never really sick! Our elite athletes better be taking this seriously too.

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Reply #982 – July 24, 2020, 04:17:46 pm

I'm already detecting a tiring of the public's tolerance to the mask situation.

Yesterday at the chemist there was a bloke feigning to drink a coffee in the prescription queue, behind him in the background was an illuminated makeup advertising billboard, you could see the lit sign through his semi-translucent plastic coffee cup, a coffee cup of emptiness!

It not even 48hrs into it and this bloke was cheating via a loophole.

But imagine how people feel who have to wear protection for work day in and day out for months now, doing the right thing, only to have a Norbit like that flout the rules? He'll be a high probability of begging them for help if he gets a dose.

I felt like jobbing him, but it would only make the staff's day worse, they were already up to their necks in pensioners trying to stockpile medicine by chemist shopping!

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Reply #983 – July 24, 2020, 04:50:39 pm

Read an article today stating that according to a recent Oxford University study, herd immunity may be achieved with an immunity rate of 20%. Apparently there could be a natural condition in many humans that prevents the retransmission of the virus. In short, the combination of these two factors would amount to full herd immunity and kill off the virus. Hope this is right.

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Reply #984 – July 24, 2020, 04:51:54 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on July 24, 2020, 04:50:39 pm

Read an article today stating that according to a recent Oxford University study, herd immunity may be achieved with an immunity rate of 20%. Apparently there could be a natural condition in many humans that prevents the retransmission of the virus. In short, the combination of these two factors would amount to full herd immunity and kill off the virus. Hope this is right.

Hopefully, this is where real science really helps!

It's disturbing that the anti-vaxers benefit by the very same mechanism, I suppose they'll correlate that as evidence vaccines are a fraud!

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Reply #985 – July 24, 2020, 04:54:48 pm

Don't get the resistance to a mask. Yes, you get foggy glasses, but there are some simple workarounds and you can't see anyone's expression, but it is harder to try to get around it than just do it.

Also, stay at home if you don't have to be out - then you don't need to wear one!

It's not hard to understand. It is getting tiring doing this, but the more people don't, the longer restrictions will be in place.

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Reply #986 – July 24, 2020, 05:16:22 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 20, 2020, 08:09:16 pm

Some wack job(s) posting conspiracy theory pamphlets in south eastern suburbs mailboxes. These people are not only farking stupid, they are dangerous. Stuff the posting rules, I am posting the whole article so people here can see the nut jobs living amongst us.

...

It also claims the coronavirus death statistics were “inflated”, suggesting people dying from causes such as cancer and heart attacks were being falsely reported as coronavirus deaths.

re this part...
I saw something on facebook, yep, i know, that was focussed on this....there might be a nugget of truth to it, albeit in the US, not here.

Short version if there are 100+ people telling stories about personal experience in the US where people have died and the doctors/hospital have put down cause of death as Coronavirus, despite those same people never being tested.

Everyone from
- 109yo Grannys that haven't left the house in months - Covid.
- people who have been dying from cancer - covid
- heart attacks - covid
- People falling off a horse leading to concussion, coma and death 3 days later - covid.

This has supposedly been verified by nurses and doctors over there.

Anyone who does not have a clear, identifying cause of death (ie shot, stabbed, car crash etc) is being listed as Covid.

The reason? Hospitals get money from the government for every patient they treat who has covid.

That's what is doing the rounds, not sure if its true, don't really care TBH, but IMO it certainly not beyond the yanks to do that.
At the end of the day, a dead person is a dead person. If one dead person gets your hospital money because you dodge up their death certificate....you can potentially become a better hospital because of it.
Does the end justify the means???

Dunno

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Reply #987 – July 24, 2020, 05:55:53 pm

Quote from: kruddler on July 24, 2020, 05:16:22 pm

re this part...
I saw something on facebook, yep, i know, that was focussed on this....there might be a nugget of truth to it, albeit in the US, not here.

I stopped reading after that. You're "dead" to me.

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Reply #988 – July 25, 2020, 12:30:28 pm

Another 300-400 day for Melbourne.

On average, I wonder how many of these daily huge nos. would end up in hospital and how many would develop symptoms sufficient to make them just go home and recover like a bad flu and how many would eventually have mild symptoms but be able to work/remain active (at home of course) and how many would remain asymptomatic? Anyone aware of any breakdown like this?

I think some folks panic when they hear that we have 350 new cases today as they believe that equates to hospitalisations... and after a week that's a few thousand!

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Reply #989 – July 25, 2020, 01:01:55 pm

Quote from: Baggers on July 25, 2020, 12:30:28 pm

Another 300-400 day for Melbourne.

On average, I wonder how many of these daily huge nos. would end up in hospital and how many would develop symptoms sufficient to make them just go home and recover like a bad flu and how many would eventually have mild symptoms but be able to work/remain active (at home of course) and how many would remain asymptomatic? Anyone aware of any breakdown like this?

I think some folks panic when they hear that we have 350 new cases today as they believe that equates to hospitalisations... and after a week that's a few thousand!

I think the real problem is how many of these 350 mildly affected go home ............. and ignore quarantine rules.