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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2055 – February 10, 2021, 02:59:37 pm

Quote from: LP on February 10, 2021, 02:03:10 pm

Best keep in mind there may be some ambiguity in regards to the term "nebuliser", some may think of an asthma inhaler or the type of nebuliser used to administer medicines to infants, while others would be thinking about a device that is used in conjunction with a ventilator. I think the media are happy to play up on that difference in meaning / understanding.

Yep there is the personal variety and the ambulance variety used with intubation .......I presume then its the personal variety used for asthma etc thats has caused the problem as like I said its been banned for use by Paramedics, probably cost lives too, I know the Para's were upset when it was banned as its a life saver.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2056 – February 10, 2021, 04:15:50 pm

Most chronic asthmatics have on hand a portable asthma pump. Air is pumped via a plastic tube to the nebuliser which is attached to a plastic face mask. The mixture of air and Ventolin is then breathed in. The problem from a Covid scenario is that the face mask has two cutaway sections allowing the person to inhale and exhale. I have seen the mixture exhaled to a distance of a metre or a little more .

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2057 – February 12, 2021, 07:52:39 am

I have to wonder if the quietness of this thread is reality sinking in!

Has the early crow been eaten?

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Reply #2058 – February 12, 2021, 07:59:54 am

Contact tracing failing again. Lockdown 3.0 here we come.
When Dan announces it he should announce his resignation as well.

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Reply #2059 – February 12, 2021, 08:04:26 am

Quote from: madbluboy on February 12, 2021, 07:59:54 am

Contact tracing failing again. Lockdown 3.0 here we come.
When Dan announces it he should announce his resignation as well.

Is it failing, I'm not sure if the detections are because of it failing or because of it working?

I think what has failed are the calls that restrictions were over the top, and worse still the deniers circulating public dissention, if things get too loose it may well be the case the current restrictions weren't enough!

I really do not get the inability of the public to learn from the past, and in this case the memories and lessons aren't even a year old and they have evaporated from the public consciousness.

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Reply #2060 – February 12, 2021, 08:25:17 am

The government haven't learned from their mistakes.

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Reply #2061 – February 12, 2021, 08:25:57 am

So, returned travellers are Dan's fault as well? What did you want him to do, isolate them in a stage IIII bio hazard lab?

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Reply #2062 – February 12, 2021, 08:31:01 am

Less than 50% of contacts are being traced within 48 hours. The national standard in 95%.

I told you guys a month or so ago that Adelaide's contact tracing system is miles ahead of ours. Every business has the same QR system, they're all linked.

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Reply #2063 – February 12, 2021, 09:21:57 am

I'll give you that one, the Covid app is a con job, they shouldn't have been paid. Worthless.

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Reply #2064 – February 12, 2021, 09:52:36 am

Quote from: madbluboy on February 12, 2021, 08:31:01 am

Less than 50% of contacts are being traced within 48 hours. The national standard in 95%.

I told you guys a month or so ago that Adelaide's contact tracing system is miles ahead of ours. Every business has the same QR system, they're all linked.

All the signs were there that the state government and admin were caught out badly with a very poor tracing/tracking system when the covid crisis started last year. From my experiences in the system development business good solutions/software can take years to be developed and perfected and not just a few months, especially in complex situations. Victoria is still scrambling to sort this mess out and public expectations have not been set properly - more of an ass-covering bullcrap narrative being peddled. Look back at what happened with Myki, the Police system etc. - plenty of other examples.

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Reply #2065 – February 12, 2021, 10:30:05 am

Quote from: madbluboy on February 12, 2021, 08:31:01 am

Less than 50% of contacts are being traced within 48 hours. The national standard in 95%.

I told you guys a month or so ago that Adelaide's contact tracing system is miles ahead of ours. Every business has the same QR system, they're all linked.

That stat is a function of the number of cases though over the population you have to survey, isn't it?

I suspect that makes the national average a bit bogus, and I also believe there is no universal reporting standard. I think we discuss this months ago when we found out NSW was shipping infected travellers to Vic and not counting those infections in NSW. Three wise monkeys.

I'm not sure the QR code really helps unless you are certain that 100% of people use it, what you are really reporting is the number of people who used the QR code that you can trace. I was at a shopping centre two days ago, watching people entering Officeworks, I only saw one person use the QR code out of about 20 or so that entered the store, and some of that 20 were parents and children so perhaps 30 or more entered.

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Reply #2066 – February 12, 2021, 10:42:33 am

Quote from: madbluboy on February 12, 2021, 08:31:01 am

Less than 50% of contacts are being traced within 48 hours. The national standard in 95%.

I told you guys a month or so ago that Adelaide's contact tracing system is miles ahead of ours. Every business has the same QR system, they're all linked.

Also, not sure if this is accurate but I was told NSW returned traveler rate is 5 times ours and they are doing okish.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2067 – February 12, 2021, 10:43:59 am

Quote from: LP on February 12, 2021, 10:30:05 am

That stat is a function of the number of cases though over the population you have to survey, isn't it?

I suspect that makes the national average a bit bogus, and I also believe there is no universal reporting standard. I think we discuss this months ago when we found out NSW was shipping infected travellers to Vic and not counting those infections in NSW. Three wise monkeys.

I'm not sure the QR code really helps unless you are certain that 100% of people use it, what you are really reporting is the number of people who used the QR code that you can trace. I was at a shopping centre two days ago, watching people entering Officeworks, I only saw one person use the QR code out of about 20 or so that entered the store, and some of that 20 were parents and children so perhaps 30 or more entered.

What do you mean? No QR code, no entry, anywhere, period. Of course it will work.

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Reply #2068 – February 12, 2021, 10:47:55 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on February 12, 2021, 10:43:59 am

What do you mean? No QR code, no entry, anywhere, period. Of course it will work.

Like compulsory masks in public places, ask Karen and Corey.

I had to laugh watching highlights of the tennis on the news last night, in the report background is the crowd walking the apron, perhaps 1 in 5 no mask. Nobody enforcing the rules, yet people handing out free sunscreen in case you get burnt at 7pm!

What percentage of the older people floating around shopping centres even own or carry a modern QR code capable mobile with them?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2069 – February 12, 2021, 11:24:55 am

Quote from: LP on February 12, 2021, 10:47:55 am

Like compulsory masks in public places, ask Karen and Corey.

I had to laugh watching highlights of the tennis on the news last night, in the report background is the crowd walking the apron, perhaps 1 in 5 no mask. Nobody enforcing the rules, yet people handing out free sunscreen in case you get burnt at 7pm!

What percentage of the older people floating around shopping centres even own or carry a modern QR code capable mobile with them?

I do LP

The VicGov QR app is quick and easy to use and the staff at the venues I frequent on the Bellarine insist on everyone signing in by QR or manually.

Earlier this week I had a great feed of mussels at a very popular and picturesque cafe where you have to order at the bar; no mask, no service.