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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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@capcom‍ Remember the Aircraft are flying virus tin cans debate, you know the general publics perception of that is wrong because you know about aircraft ventilation and how much engineering and science goes into it.

But if you want the science details, it turns out that opening windows or increasing ventilation in conjunction with social distancing decreases the possible transmission of the virus by 50% to 70%. There is some nice research done on this by Cath Noakes if you care to search her name and read it you'll be surprised how beneficial clean airflow is. Not that it is new, the actual concept has been around since Florence Nightingale.

Thanks LP ... given the air is purged / renewed / recycled every 90 seconds for the entire cabin, it was a complete nonsense discussion from the beginning.

Not always the case though with less than modern aircraft.  Got stuck in FCL on an Aer Lingus 747 in 1978 with an obnoxious Irishman smoking fat cigars 2 rows behind me.  The whole joint stunk.

So I kicked up my own stink.   It worked :)

Yes, I'm aware of Noakes work.  She sure knows her stuff.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2461
50% capacity for the G.

70% capacity for indoor movie theatres.

Who are these buffoons?

Well, I don't know how it happened, but I find myself in 100% agreement with you. I may need a therapist  ;) . This arbitrary figure of 50%, for an outdoor venue, compared to other public gathering places, etc., defies logic. Does 60% or more suddenly and dramatically increase risk exponentially? Nuh.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2462
Latest cohort studies from Scotland, released in early March this year, using the entire Scottish population of 5.4M people, also a double blind study with 1.2M vaccinated and 1.2M unvaccinated people.

Both COVID-19 vaccines, 50/50 Pfizer and AstraZeneca, reduced severe infections by 85% on average just 7 days after receiving the vaccines, and reduced hospital admissions by 90%.

At 28 days Pfizer exhibited 85% efficacy, AstraZeneca exhibited 92% efficacy. This is predicted based on how the various vaccines work, antibody which is short term or Memory T-Cell which is long term.

Even better news, both vaccines have been shown to also inhibit transmission in populations older than 65 years, by between 40% and 70%.

Search = Aziz Sheikh, Edinburgh University; Mike Weekes, Cambridge University and Addenbrooke's Hospital

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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2463
The ramifications of political interference in the AstraZeneca vaccine rollout are being exposed:


Drosten. You quote Drosten?

You've been sucked in by the spin masters David.

He's one of the great shills for the 'industry'!

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

Read that and weep.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2464
If you thought the EU AstraZeneca situation wasn't political, look at the developments overnight.

 - First off, a week or so ago, many EU countries state AstraZeneca is suspended it's no good we don't want it.

 - Now overnight, many of the same countries, if AstraZeneca keep exporting it we are going to seize the factories, we are in crisis we need it desperately!

It sounds like the original suspension was more about scaring off non-EU suitors, like a troll hugging his dinner refusing to share, "you don't want that stuff it'll kill you only trolls can eat it!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

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The ramifications of political interference in the AstraZeneca vaccine rollout are being exposed:

Ian Jones, a professor of virology at Britian’s Reading University, said the blood clot issue had “been picked up by politicians who don’t know one side of a virus from another”.
Love it, so so true!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2466
Drosten. You quote Drosten?

You've been sucked in by the spin masters David.
@flyboy77‍  I don't think @DJC has been sucked in by anybody! ;)

Shill is an interesting term to use, does it feel like a mirror?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2467
The EU is in blind panic. Its vaccination program is in disarray and infection rates are not under control.  Who to blame???
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2468
The EU is in blind panic. Its vaccination program is in disarray and infection rates are not under control.  Who to blame???
The EU's erratic behaviour is fodder for the paranoid.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2469
The EU's erratic behaviour is fodder for the paranoid.
The erratic behaviour of the rest of the world at the start of this pandemic was similar. Those that had the 'everything will be fine' attitude were left regretting it.

Fool me once...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2470
The erratic behaviour of the rest of the world at the start of this pandemic was similar. Those that had the 'everything will be fine' attitude were left regretting it.

Fool me once...
Some of the EU is on a merry-go-round, repeating the mistakes of last year like they have no short term memory, it appears partly driven by those who proselytize freedom and wealth over health! I suppose this is the pain of the economic impacts coming home, especially to those who thought they could ignore or ride out the long term warnings.

What good preserving the freedom and wealth of the dead?
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2471
We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2472
We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...
Fair enough, we wish her well, but for every sad story you can quote there will be 1 or 10 with a minimal reaction you never hear about, just like Flu shots.

Of course that isn't unusual, it actually makes sense, when a person has minimal side effects you don't hear from them and it's business as usual, but if they get severe side effects they suffer and tell the world like an obligatory warning!

It's asymmetrical reporting and well recognised in research, which is why the UK doesn't operate an unverified and uncontrolled self-reporting system like VAERS.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2473
We are not the EU and as long as we maintain good border controls, testing/monitoring we dont have to run around in a panic jabbing anything with a pulse with vaccines that have question marks on them even small question marks.
We can afford to sit back and learn from these other nations who are in a jabbing frenzy because they never had proper control to start with. ie England.....half the population wouldnt know what planet they are on, Boris initiated controls too late and now is playing catchup and hoping AstraZ will be save the day.....we are smarter than them and dont need to be in a frenzy.
My daughters Australian school friend who lives in England had her 1st dose of AstraZ and has been extremely ill, she is 34 and a healthy young woman normally with a decent career as a Psychologist  which is now on hold till she recovers.
These vaccines are no sure thing to be an instant fix and come with problems, lets be careful out there and minimize the risks in Australia...
100% correct about border controls, Covid 19 doesn't just appear, you have to let it in. Keep it out (ie travellers and airline workers, there is no virus and we can afford to wait. Having said, I'm sure there some shenanigans going on in Europe with AZ vaccine suspension. More to it than meets the eye.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2474
100% correct about border controls, Covid 19 doesn't just appear, you have to let it in. Keep it out (ie travellers and airline workers, there is no virus and we can afford to wait. Having said, I'm sure there some shenanigans going on in Europe with AZ vaccine suspension. More to it than meets the eye.
@Gointocarlton‍ COVID-19 is endemic, it's already here.

Canada and I think France did big studies on the effects of border controls and airline shutdowns, they showed that once the virus was endemic and spreading closing borders and shutting down flights made little difference. They found the biggest impact comes from widespread testing and quarantine, I presume by quarantine they mean effective quarantine, not just shipping your infected cases off to another state. ;)

It's a fools confidence to think COVID-19 won't resurface while borders remain closed, it's already here, not vaccinating invites the next wave!
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