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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2565 – March 31, 2021, 10:23:38 am

By the way my mother in law got the jab last Thursday and has had no side effects.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2566 – March 31, 2021, 10:32:07 am

Quote from: madbluboy on March 31, 2021, 10:23:38 am

By the way my mother in law got the jab last Thursday and has had no side effects.

That's good, but the fear when you have no side-effects at all is that it hasn't worked properly.

It takes about 14 to 21 days to develop a Memory T-Cell immune response, the long term benefit, tell her to stay cautious until then.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2567 – March 31, 2021, 10:53:48 am

A close friend of mine gets her first AZ jab today. I'm a bit toey about it but she's very confident it will be OK.

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Reply #2568 – March 31, 2021, 11:33:47 am

Quote from: cookie2 on March 31, 2021, 10:53:48 am

A close friend of mine gets her first AZ jab today. I'm a bit toey about it but she's very confident it will be OK.

@cookie2

Let's hope so, the probability is high she'll have no major problems.

The large amount of cynical and sceptical commentary is out of proportion to the risk and so it makes society paranoid. It's fair to be sceptical, but in proportion to the risk and based on facts not fictions or opinions. Apparently, just the fear caused by this social media commentary has a real world effect as it can increase events like syncope due to heightened stress levels. Blood chemistry can change in anticipation.

Studies conducted into laboratory mouse / rodent handling techniques years and years ago, which found how the technicians picked the animals up had a real world effect on stress levels and so altered the results of many studies.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2569 – March 31, 2021, 11:46:07 am

I get the first jab next Wednesday.

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Reply #2570 – March 31, 2021, 02:18:57 pm

Germany have suspended AstraZ again for under 60s and Spain have dropped it for 80 plus patients giving them Pfizer and Moderna instead.
Think the Germans had 31 cases of rare blood clots in a couple of cities.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2571 – March 31, 2021, 02:28:39 pm

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2572 – March 31, 2021, 02:50:22 pm

Quote from: PaulP on March 31, 2021, 02:28:39 pm

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

Pfizer No of Employees 88,300 Total Equity US65.5B
AstraZenaca No of Employees 76,100 Total Equity US15.6B
probably thats why

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2573 – March 31, 2021, 02:54:24 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 31, 2021, 02:50:22 pm

Pfizer No of Employees 88,300 Total Equity US65.5B
AstraZenaca No of Employees 76,100 Total Equity US15.6B
probably thats why

Yes, I kind of suspected something like that. Pfizer has form for dodgy behaviour. I'm not saying that their vaccine is or isn't better, but the only negative things I can find is that after you get the second shot, you may experience headaches or some such. Surely there's more to it than that ? All vaccines can have bad side effects in certain people.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2574 – March 31, 2021, 02:59:17 pm

Quote from: PaulP on March 31, 2021, 02:54:24 pm

Yes, I kind of suspected something like that. Pfizer has form for dodgy behaviour. I'm not saying that their vaccine is or isn't better, but the only negative things I can find is that after you get the second shot, you may experience headaches or some such. Surely there's more to it than that ? All vaccines can have bad side effects in certain people.

They ALL have form for seriously dodgy behaviour.

Sadly, mega fines for these guys are simply another cost of doing business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

And that's the tip of the icerberg given most oversight agencies are inevitably run by ex insiders....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2575 – March 31, 2021, 03:16:49 pm

Also, the EU is involved in a major blue with the UK and AZ over supplies and part of this seems to be trying to make things difficult for AZ by casting doubts.

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Reply #2576 – March 31, 2021, 04:08:48 pm

Quote from: PaulP on March 31, 2021, 02:28:39 pm

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

EU vs The Rest?

It's not really nation wide health authorities doing this, it's more region by region with national politicians blinking. Germany officially it's a couple of districts out of the whole country that's postponed. I would be interested to see how many each entity employs in those regions.

The young women thing is interesting though, there were early reports young women might be at specific risk to COVID-19 if they have some condition related to MS. So I can't help but wonder if there is a coincidence, but as far as I know those concerns were dismissed. As an aside apparently a dose of Influenza is a known trigger of MS, another good reason for girls to get Influenza vaccines!

The mRNA vs Adenovirus vaccine solution is likely irrelevant, because fundamentally if the side-effects are real the J&J vaccine should be identical to AstraZeneca, but you have to always consider genetics as a factor in region to region.

AstraZeneca is doing this at cost, the others not so much!

But I have to say for me the real worry is that AstraZeneca again late today, so overnight Germany time, reports no official reports from the the German health department. That seems odd if you suspend a vaccine citing 31 severe incidents of unexpected side-effects!

btw., The media are being a bit tricky, the 31 cases are not confirmed to be blood clots, the media is using associative wording by reporting 31 cases of side-effects then discussing previous claims of blood clots in separate cases, which the initial reports dismiss in the closing paragraph if you read that far. So a reader builds that link, and even some secondary reporting has cited blood clots. The official reports as yet give no description of the cases / side-effects.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2577 – March 31, 2021, 04:53:09 pm

Quote from: PaulP on March 31, 2021, 02:28:39 pm

Why are there no reports of significant adverse side effects with the Pfizer vaccine ? Surely, someone somewhere must have become ill, died etc. It's all very one sided IMO.

Tommy Hearne posted that the jab put Marvin Hagler in hospital and then retracted it after he died.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2578 – March 31, 2021, 04:53:19 pm

Hearns

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Reply #2579 – March 31, 2021, 05:17:15 pm

Quote from: LP on March 31, 2021, 04:08:48 pm

EU vs The Rest?

It's not really nation wide health authorities doing this, it's more region by region with national politicians blinking. Germany officially it's a couple of districts out of the whole country that's postponed. I would be interested to see how many each entity employs in those regions.

The young women thing is interesting though, there were early reports young women might be at specific risk to COVID-19 if they have some condition related to MS. So I can't help but wonder if there is a coincidence, but as far as I know those concerns were dismissed. As an aside apparently a dose of Influenza is a known trigger of MS, another good reason for girls to get Influenza vaccines!

The mRNA vs Adenovirus vaccine solution is likely irrelevant, because fundamentally if the side-effects are real the J&J vaccine should be identical to AstraZeneca, but you have to always consider genetics as a factor in region to region.

AstraZeneca is doing this at cost, the others not so much!

But I have to say for me the real worry is that AstraZeneca again late today, so overnight Germany time, reports no official reports from the the German health department. That seems odd if you suspend a vaccine citing 31 severe incidents of unexpected side-effects!

btw., The media are being a bit tricky, the 31 cases are not confirmed to be blood clots, the media is using associative wording by reporting 31 cases of side-effects then discussing previous claims of blood clots in separate cases, which the initial reports dismiss in the closing paragraph if you read that far. So a reader builds that link, and even some secondary reporting has cited blood clots. The official reports as yet give no description of the cases / side-effects.

I thought they were a rare form of blood clot to do with the sinus passages?