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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2580 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
good luck....

It's not matter of luck - and I won't be eligible for a jab for quite a while - it's simply a matter of the Federal Government pulling its finger out.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2581 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
LP, you are the font of all knowledge - show me a paper - anything really - where SARS COV2 and COVID have met Koch's Postulates.....

I won't hold my breath.

I hope you're not holding your breath Fly; Koch's postulates were developed specifically for diseases caused by bacteria and well before viruses were known to exist.  Koch's postulates don't apply to all diseases caused by bacteria and the concept has been considered obsolete by epidemiologists since the 1950s.

Why fart around with archaic, inapplicable concepts when the science is right before your eyes?

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2582 –
Quote from: DJC on
I hope you're not holding your breath Fly; Koch's postulates were developed specifically for diseases caused by bacteria and well before viruses were known to exist.  Koch's postulates don't apply to all diseases caused by bacteria and the concept has been considered obsolete by epidemiologists since the 1950s.

Why fart around with archaic, inapplicable concepts when the science is right before your eyes?



Really David? That's your best? (deja vous)

You're running with "archaic and inapplicable"? Piss poor.

Look up Thomas Rivers and get back to me.

Here, I'll even give you a few hints.

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Koch%E2%80%99s-Postulates-Dr.-Kaufman-5-4.pdf
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2583 –
Quote from: DJC on
I hope you're not holding your breath Fly; Koch's postulates were developed specifically for diseases caused by bacteria and well before viruses were known to exist.  Koch's postulates don't apply to all diseases caused by bacteria and the concept has been considered obsolete by epidemiologists since the 1950s.

Why fart around with archaic, inapplicable concepts when the science is right before your eyes?
It's just an irrelevant distraction used by detractors of COVID-19 and vaccination, to ease their way through the day as indisputable facts hit them in the face minute after minute by the millions(almost 600 milllion vaccinations to date) to confirm both the reality of the pandemic and the terrific safety and efficacy of vaccination! ;D

What Flyboy77 asks is analogous to a Nazi asking you to prove the Jews died in gas chambers, that they weren't just cremated after a natural death, or the tactics of the tobacco companies claiming in court there is no proof smoking kills! It's such an old school misdirection tactic, these days primary school kids get taught to identify it in social media! It must be outright offensive to someone like Baggers who has just lost a lifelong close friend to the disease, yet Flyboy77's deep want for a conspiracy drives his commentary harder than any empathy for fellow human can overcome.

And of course there is no logic, we can probably bother with this debate further when Flyboy77 explains why he's telling us to make use anti-virals instead of vaccines one minute, then proclaiming COVID-19 is a fiction born of conspiracy the next! A contradiction in his commentary I'm sure he recognises, but chooses to wave across his head in a classic comedy moment!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2584 –
Well, my good friend has so far survived her first AZ jab! 😎
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2585 –
Getting mine now, later today.......
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2586 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Really David? That's your best? (deja vous)

You're running with "archaic and inapplicable"? Piss poor.

Look up Thomas Rivers and get back to me.

Here, I'll even give you a few hints.

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Koch%E2%80%99s-Postulates-Dr.-Kaufman-5-4.pdf

You don't get off that easy Flyboy  :)

Tell me why you think a 19th century scientific construct (that didn't really work anyway) should apply to 21st century virology?

Quoting Kaufman doesn't cut it.  Anyone who thinks appendicitis can be cured with an enema is a danger to himself and the world at large.  I know some people put a lot of faith in naturopaths but, to me, they are just another quack.  Furthermore, Kaufman is promoted by Pete Evans - You don't happen to have a Biocharger NG that I could borrow if I can't get a vaccination? 
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2590 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Cookie, Any positive side effects like hair growth on the bonce, if there is I might order a double shot..?😃

Not so far but ever hopeful.......😷
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2591 –
Word on the street is take panadol when you get your jab.

Helps alleviate symptoms.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2592 –
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/covid19-australian-man-has-blood-clot-condition-after-astrazeneca-vaccine/news-story/1462d9c67cb20424a7f808ae6d6f2bde

A man has been admitted to a Melbourne hospital with a rare blood clotting condition following the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The Australian reports Australia’s chief health officers are urgently reviewing the case after he got the AstraZeneca vaccine on March 22, presented to hospital suffering fever and abdominal pain and was found to have abdominal clots with a very low platelet count.

The symptoms are similar to those seen by German scientists in patients following administration of the AstraZeneca vaccine overseas.

The condition forced Canada to suspend use of the AstraZeneca vaccine in people aged under 55.

The European Medicines Agency is investigating any links between the condition and the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee reportedly met today and is discussing the Melbourne case, with deputy chief health officer Michael Kidd.

An update is expected this afternoon.

The AstraZeneca vaccine is currently being produced by CSL in Melbourne.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2593 –
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-02/man-who-received-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-has-blood-clots/100046540

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The man was vaccinated on or around March 22 and was recently admitted to Box Hill Hospital in Melbourne with serious thrombosis and a low platelet count.

It is not clear whether the man's clots are related to the vaccine dose he received. About 30,000 Australians develop thrombosis every year.

"He had low platelets, but he had clots in his liver, in his spleen and in his gut in general," Coronacast host Dr Norman Swan told ABC News.

"So, he fits the description of vaccine-induced pro-thrombotic thrombocytopenia. He fits the case description."

Australian Medical Association vice-president Chris Moy told the ABC European authorities had been investigating whether there was a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots.

"What they found was there was definitely no overall risk of clotting throughout the community that was given the vaccine," he said.

"And that the risk was so low, the benefits of the vaccine would far outweigh any potential risk.

But they were still looking at this little group where you have this very rare occurrence.

The rate was somewhere in the order of one in maybe several hundred thousand to one in a million or so [actually between 1 in 125,000 and 1 in 1,000,000 according to Science Table COVID-19 Advisory for Ontario].

Because of the low numbers, there's a lot of work to try to work out whether this is a real association or purely chance.

"I know right throughout the world everyone is looking at this very carefully."

The Science Table COVID-19 Advisory for Ontario is worth reading:

https://covid19-sciencetable.ca/sciencebrief/vaccine-induced-prothrombotic-immune-thrombocytopenia-vipit-following-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccination/

Basically they say that you have a 1 in 100 chance of ending up in intensive care if you get COVID-19 and, compared with a 1 in 125,000 (and probably much lower) chance of developing PTT (if there is a causal link), you're better off having the vaccine.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2594 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Word on the street is take panadol when you get your jab.

Helps alleviate symptoms.
I suppose if you were paranoid or worried about clots, and you are not already on it, then low dose aspirin might be a go as well!

Personally, I'd be far more worried about clots from catching the full disease, but even so it pays to be vigilant!

I wonder if some of these cases have other complications, like they are taking NSAIDs which are notorious for introducing complications in lots of different medicines, including clots or bleeds. The clustered reports almost always seem to disappear on investigation, that indicates other mitigating circumstances. People think because something is over the counter, it's safe, so they don't even mention they taken it to  a doctor.
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